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Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: Redbow on December 04, 2016, 01:47:04 pm

Title: Elm advice needed
Post by: Redbow on December 04, 2016, 01:47:04 pm
Hello guys, a newbie bowyer here speaking. This is my first post here, and I'm quite green when it comes to making bows (made a few, all od which broke). I'd like to hear your opinions on this, to increase my chances od finally making a durable bow.
Recently I got a large elm board as a gift from a friend. Since elm is not a common lumber where I live, I was happy with what I got. The grain was not straight, and it had a large knot on on side, so I decided to saw it into 12 mm (just under 1/2'') boards. I got three usable ones and two scraps. The thing is, all of the boards have both sapwood and heartwood on, and no matter how I turn it, there is always both of them on the future bow (assuming I want a full size bow, not a 45'' kids' one). The heartwood even pulls the sapwood into reflex! When I was sawing it, one end was still unsawed, and the other one was already curving away.
Has anyone of you ever built a bow from both heart/sap elm? What wood is good for backing elm, since the grain is bloody awful (hickory is not na option, since I'm on the other side of the ocean, and I doubt I could get bamboo that wide)?
Title: Re: Elm advice needed
Post by: PEARL DRUMS on December 05, 2016, 07:18:37 am
Its ALL about grain when you start using boards. Even a good hickory or maple backer wont often save a core with horrible grain.
Title: Re: Elm advice needed
Post by: stuckinthemud on December 05, 2016, 10:47:04 am
Never built a board bow but as I understand it the board needs to be 1/4 sawn or rift sawn - the grain needs to be perpendicular to the surface.  Anything else makes a nice table.  If the wood is moving that much it sounds like there is a lot of stress still in the timber that re-sawing is relieving.  If the grain is correctly oriented you could wait until the wood stabilises then heat-treat it straight.  Wherabouts are you based?
Title: Re: Elm advice needed
Post by: bubby on December 05, 2016, 11:19:15 am
like pearlie said grain, grain, grain you can use riftsawn, quartersawn or flatsawn all will work. Have you got any pics of the boards?
Title: Re: Elm advice needed
Post by: bubby on December 05, 2016, 11:22:04 am
traditionalarchery101

Jawges site has a ton of great info on picking boards and everything else you need to know
Title: Re: Elm advice needed
Post by: Redbow on December 05, 2016, 12:32:12 pm
Thanks for the replies,guys. I'm from Europe (not a native English speaker, so excuse me for any mistakes). The board is plain sawn. Here you have the sap/heart transition. As more as I look at it the more it seems awful for a bow. Ignore the pink tablecloth.
Title: Re: Elm advice needed
Post by: ksnow on December 05, 2016, 12:38:21 pm
WAY too much runoff in those pieces for a bow of any type.  The grain should look like straight lines the entire length of the board.
Title: Re: Elm advice needed
Post by: PEARL DRUMS on December 05, 2016, 12:53:25 pm
That would be gorgeous under glass. But not for a self or wood backed bow.
Title: Re: Elm advice needed
Post by: Redbow on December 05, 2016, 01:01:20 pm
So a new table it is, then. Thanks, guys  :)
Title: Re: Elm advice needed
Post by: bjrogg on December 05, 2016, 01:04:38 pm
Really pretty grain but for bow you want straight and boring. Welcome to PA Redbow
Bjrogg