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Title: Osage fumed flipped flattie (No.89) Pic heavy!
Post by: simson on March 03, 2017, 03:13:08 pm
Nice stick with some character and a hole in the upper limb. I used it to get some pheasant   feathers on.
The stick was fumed with a chased ring as a bow blank,. After tillering I got that two tone appearance.
It was a bit thin for a good handle, I glued on a piece of wood and wrapped all with hemp. At least a black serving thread was laid into the hemp ridges and all soaked in thinned TB 3. Belonging to to the angle of view you get totally different colors.
The handle is working, but only a bit.
Tip overlays are whit/transparent cow horn, I like the contrast to the black back.

This is an extraordinary bow, shooting feels like having spring steel as limbs. I don't know why. Maybe it is the combo of short design and super nice, very dense osage.

Forgot to say:
before fuming I have applicated several coats of 'osage soup', which caused an immediately aging process of the wood. The first pics from the building process show what happened to the yeller wood after the treatment with the soup. The yeller piece laying beside is cut off 30 min before, both came from the same stave. This is a quick method for aging osage. I will report in an extra thread.

l= 53” ntn
m= 435gram
netto reflex = 4”

08”: 12,5
10”: 17,9   (+ 5,4)
12”: 22,2   (+ 4,3)
14”: 25,7   (+ 3,5)
16”: 29,0   (+ 3,3)
18”: 32,2   (+ 3,2)
20”: 35,4   (+ 3,2)
22”: 39,2   (+ 3,8)
24”: 43,0   (+ 3,8)
26”: 46,9   (+ 3,9)
28”: 51,2   (+ 4,3)

(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/89%20osage%20fumed%20flattie/89%20Osage%20fumed%20recurve%20bendy15.%20Juni%202016%20-%201%20von%2026_zpsvgax3otz.jpg)

(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/89%20osage%20fumed%20flattie/89%20Osage%20fumed%20recurve%20bendy15.%20Juni%202016%20-%202%20von%2026_zpspwtv9oqp.jpg)

(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/89%20osage%20fumed%20flattie/89%20Osage%20fumed%20recurve%20bendy15.%20Juni%202016%20-%203%20von%2026_zpspmenmrv3.jpg)
compare the colors – this is quick aging!

(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/89%20osage%20fumed%20flattie/89%20Osage%20fumed%20recurve%20bendy15.%20Juni%202016%20-%204%20von%2026_zpsdxbbp7ye.jpg)

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(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/89%20osage%20fumed%20flattie/89%20Osage%20fumed%20recurve%20bendy15.%20Juni%202016%20-%208%20von%2026_zpsovxujgga.jpg)

(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/89%20osage%20fumed%20flattie/89%20Osage%20fumed%20recurve%20bendy15.%20Juni%202016%20-%209%20von%2026_zpsqedudxxi.jpg)

(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/89%20osage%20fumed%20flattie/89%20Osage%20fumed%20recurve%20bendy15.%20Juni%202016%20-%2010%20von%2026_zpsl2gwttkc.jpg)

(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/89%20osage%20fumed%20flattie/89%20Osage%20fumed%20recurve%20bendy15.%20Juni%202016%20-%2011%20von%2026_zpsqtugbpht.jpg)

(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/89%20osage%20fumed%20flattie/89%20Osage%20fumed%20recurve%20bendy15.%20Juni%202016%20-%2012%20von%2026_zpsys6e4sdp.jpg)

(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/89%20osage%20fumed%20flattie/89%20Osage%20fumed%20recurve%20bendy15.%20Juni%202016%20-%2013%20von%2026_zpsla8rlw11.jpg)

(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/89%20osage%20fumed%20flattie/89%20Osage%20fumed%20recurve%20bendy15.%20Juni%202016%20-%2014%20von%2026_zpso1ytgnfw.jpg)

(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/89%20osage%20fumed%20flattie/89%20Osage%20fumed%20recurve%20bendy15.%20Juni%202016%20-%2015%20von%2026_zpsnyi6indi.jpg)

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(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/89%20osage%20fumed%20flattie/89%20Osage%20fumed%20recurve%20bendy15.%20Juni%202016%20-%2017%20von%2026_zpsgxlsfthb.jpg)

(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/89%20osage%20fumed%20flattie/89%20Osage%20fumed%20recurve%20bendy15.%20Juni%202016%20-%2018%20von%2026_zpsv57sqcnb.jpg)

(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/89%20osage%20fumed%20flattie/89%20Osage%20fumed%20recurve%20bendy15.%20Juni%202016%20-%2019%20von%2026_zpsel465cx3.jpg)

(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/89%20osage%20fumed%20flattie/89%20Osage%20fumed%20recurve%20bendy15.%20Juni%202016%20-%2020%20von%2026_zpsxswuo1lw.jpg)

(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/89%20osage%20fumed%20flattie/89%20Osage%20fumed%20recurve%20bendy15.%20Juni%202016%20-%2021%20von%2026_zpstvodg1bh.jpg)

(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/89%20osage%20fumed%20flattie/89%20Osage%20fumed%20recurve%20bendy15.%20Juni%202016%20-%2022%20von%2026_zpsw4ktiv0u.jpg)

Title: Re: Osage fumed flipped flattie (No.89) Pic heavy!
Post by: osage outlaw on March 03, 2017, 03:32:13 pm
Very nice looking bow
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Post by: bjrogg on March 03, 2017, 03:40:30 pm
Beautiful bow Simson, looks like your cat likes it to. That soup really did turn that Osage
Bjrogg
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Post by: bradsmith2010 on March 03, 2017, 03:48:28 pm
very beautiful, I love the profile ,, tips and handle,,
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Post by: DC on March 03, 2017, 03:55:59 pm
You just bumped the bar up another notch, beautiful bow :) :)
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Post by: willie on March 03, 2017, 04:02:44 pm
impeccable !
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Post by: Hans H on March 03, 2017, 04:09:27 pm
awesome craftmanship my friend
Hans
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Post by: Morgan on March 03, 2017, 04:43:44 pm
Beautiful bow! Like the age that the ammonia gives it.
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Post by: Stixnstones on March 03, 2017, 04:51:56 pm
Crazy!
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Post by: Greenriverwoodcraft on March 03, 2017, 05:56:50 pm
that's a work of art!
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Post by: Danzn Bar on March 03, 2017, 06:22:54 pm
That's a beauty Simon....where do you get your osage? is it local?
DBar
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Post by: selfbow joe on March 03, 2017, 06:47:28 pm
Very nice looking bow!
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Post by: BowEd on March 03, 2017, 06:54:23 pm
Masterful work again simson a great display of pictures.Osage is like rerod.
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Post by: penderbender on March 03, 2017, 07:17:15 pm
Beautiful bow Simson. Sweet tiller! Cheers- Brendan
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Post by: upstatenybowyer on March 03, 2017, 07:57:31 pm
I knew you must have been up to serious bow making, haven't seen any posts from you in a while. You never fail to disappoint my friend. Beautiful work!
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Post by: Selfbowman on March 04, 2017, 01:29:48 am
Great tiller on a challenging piece of Osage . I like it . Arvin :BB
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Post by: Redhand on March 04, 2017, 11:17:18 am
Nice stick Simon it looks like a fast smooth shooter. I defenitly need to get a bow from you. Awesome work my friend.
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Post by: Del the cat on March 04, 2017, 04:14:54 pm
Lovely unstrung shape on that.Great bow. Cool kitty too :)
Del
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Post by: Aaron H on March 04, 2017, 04:24:20 pm
Great work Simon, it is a beautiful bow
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Post by: simson on March 05, 2017, 03:11:39 am
That's a beauty Simon....where do you get your osage? is it local?
DBar

Get mine from the States and more from Hungary

The cat is my neighbour's, but he stays more time in my yard, garden and on my couch hahaha

I'm wondering nobody asked about the osage soup ...

Thank you all for the compliments!
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Post by: Badly Bent on March 05, 2017, 08:07:05 am
You're always coming up with new ideas Simon, whats the osage soup recipe?
Nice bow and that some long draw length for a 52" stick, well done as always.
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Post by: Stringman on March 05, 2017, 08:43:51 am
Yep I'm curious about the soup as well.

Great job on the bow!
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Post by: simson on March 05, 2017, 01:57:17 pm
You're always coming up with new ideas Simon, whats the osage soup recipe?
Nice bow and that some long draw length for a 52" stick, well done as always.

Yep I'm curious about the soup as well.

Great job on the bow!


Haha, Greg! What are you doing brother? haven't seen a bow from you for a long time, or did I miss?

Well, the recipe for osage soup (simple as simple can):

Solve all the fine shavings and rasping from working on osage. Next time when you steam recurves into a bow, through them into the cooking water, let them in several steaming sessions. Fill the liquid in a bottle (without the shavings) at two or three spoonful alcohol (prevent fungus infect) and you are ready.
For applying use a brush, do it two or three times (let dry inbetween) and you get old aged osage in minutes!
Cool side effect (that's why I did): in this solution are all the tan acids that reacts with the fuming. So I get a deeper color in a shorter time.
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Post by: gfugal on March 08, 2017, 12:59:30 am
I hope you don't mind but I used this bow for an example in a bow calculator. I posted it in a thread here: http://www.primitivearcher.com/smf/index.php/topic,59964.0.html. Love the bow man!
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Post by: loon on March 08, 2017, 01:04:28 am
Primitive, simple, excellent craftsmanship and very beautiful... you really make Osage actually seem like a special bow wood
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Post by: ---GUTSHOT---> on March 08, 2017, 04:49:58 am
Once again, very nice bow Simon. I do like the soup recipe. I've gummed several bows now and will have to try the soup. My question to you when your steaming your bows with the shavings in your water is it somewhat fumming the bow your working on? Or staining the wood with the acids in the steam?  Thanks Paul
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Post by: Parnell on March 08, 2017, 12:06:12 pm
The unbraced profile is remarkable.  Always fascinating, Simon. :OK
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Post by: simson on March 08, 2017, 01:46:23 pm
I hope you don't mind but I used this bow for an example in a bow calculator. I posted it in a thread here: http://www.primitivearcher.com/smf/index.php/topic,59964.0.html. Love the bow man!

No problem at all, Greg!
I will answer at the other thread.

Once again, very nice bow Simon. I do like the soup recipe. I've gummed several bows now and will have to try the soup. My question to you when your steaming your bows with the shavings in your water is it somewhat fumming the bow your working on? Or staining the wood with the acids in the steam?  Thanks Paul

Paul, sorry it seems I was not exact enough. It doeasen't matter when you cook the shavings (weather you do while steaming a bow or not - it doesn't effect the stave while steaming).
The only thing is to cook long enough to get a thick (I mean thicker as water, no pudding), so that most of the water dampens away. I just saved my soup from several steamings.

So, don't forget the alcohol and apply with a brush.
The osage darkenens immideately and the other thing when you want to fume the stick - there are more tanning acids embedded for reaction with the ammonia.
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Post by: wizardgoat on March 08, 2017, 03:58:07 pm
Very nice, those profiles are beautiful
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Post by: Dvshunter on March 09, 2017, 01:38:22 am
Absolutely stunning. Well done!
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Post by: dolgima on March 12, 2017, 06:58:02 am
Forgot to say:
before fuming I have applicated several coats of 'osage soup', which caused an immediately aging process of the wood. The first pics from the building process show what happened to the yeller wood after the treatment with the soup. The yeller piece laying beside is cut off 30 min before, both came from the same stave. This is a quick method for aging osage. I will report in an extra thread.

what is osage soup??  and what's the meaning of aging? it makes wood better?
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Post by: RyanR on March 12, 2017, 07:54:02 am
Nice one. That is a beauty! The hole and feathers is a nice touch.
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Post by: Tillstave on April 12, 2017, 12:51:43 pm
Nice. Very clean workmanship on this, good to see.
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Post by: Pappy on April 13, 2017, 08:29:27 am
Another beauty, very nice work. :)
 Pappy
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Post by: FilipT on April 13, 2017, 09:44:06 am
What is draw length and draw weight, sorry if that was written somewhere but I skipped it? Bow looks so great that you inspired me to make below 28" in draw and below 66" in length bows.