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Title: wet scrape deer hide?
Post by: trail walker on December 25, 2017, 09:31:55 pm
so i wanted to try a wet scrape deer hide without using any lie or wood ashes. I let the hide soak in the bucket for 2 1/2 days, i have been changing out the water once a day. and today i pulled it thinking there was barely starting to be some hair slippage out to dehair it and it kind of stank. is that normal for a plain water wet scrape or did i leave it in to long?
Title: Re: wet scrape deer hide?
Post by: Pappy on December 26, 2017, 05:49:34 am
Yep they stink, you have to remember that to wet scrape you have to have the hide just short of spoiling for the hair to slip. :)
 Pappy
Title: Re: wet scrape deer hide?
Post by: BowEd on December 26, 2017, 07:13:46 am
Yep like Pappy said and that rot line is fine.Past it and the leather is compromised to get weaker.If brain tanning it later you will notice it through the strenuous stretching and pulling to soften process.
Title: Re: wet scrape deer hide?
Post by: trail walker on December 26, 2017, 10:58:56 am
Awesome thanks guys!
Title: Re: wet scrape deer hide?
Post by: bjrogg on December 26, 2017, 11:08:32 am
Great to see you here again trail walker, hope school is going good. Did you leave that cowhide hair on rawhide, or did you tan it?
Bjrogg
Title: Re: wet scrape deer hide?
Post by: BowEd on December 26, 2017, 11:16:35 am
trailwalker....I should mention a little concentrated lysol in the water can combat the bacteria wanting to grow.The degree of stink your smelling will tell you just how far gone your rawhide has deteriorated.
Title: Re: wet scrape deer hide?
Post by: Zuma on December 26, 2017, 02:07:14 pm
Walker are you somewhere warm? Or inside where it is warm?
Did you flesh the hide on the inside first?
Zuma

Title: Re: wet scrape deer hide?
Post by: Outbackbob48 on December 26, 2017, 05:55:31 pm
I think some of the stink is also from how much dirt and blood is in the hair, wet scraping is definitely a controlled rot. About 3 to 4 days in warm water and about 6 to 8 in ice cold water hair will slip, grain will not noticeably  swell with just water. I just finshed graining two hides that have been  soaking in KOH( lye)  and water for 4r 5 days in a heated building. Once rinsed and returned to neutral or  slightly acidic condition  bacteria stops and also smell is pretty well gone. Four more to go with graining, rinse , membrane and dry and I will have 15 ready for either rawhide or braintan, looks like a busy spring for sure )P(  Bob
Title: Re: wet scrape deer hide?
Post by: BowEd on December 27, 2017, 07:50:03 am
I assumed trailwalker fleshed the hide before water soaking.
Cool Bob.You should have enough leather and rawhide for plenty of projects.It's alot of work for sure but pretty darn rewarding.Back in the 80's and 90's I did the same assembly line type of prep of numbers of hides in a wood stove heated basement of my farm house throughout the winter.In warmer weather outside.Knew friends at a local rendering plant that supplied me with road killed deer hides.Many people and outlets for selling them too.Birds of a feather do hang together.....lol.
All dry scraped though/cut out of frame and hung ready to be baintan.I've made more than enough projects out of braintan to satisfy myself and others when heavy into buckskinning.Back then the excess I sold as soon as I wanted to then.
I've seen braintan go up in price since then of close to 5 to 8 dollars more per square foot too.
Nowadays I just braintan or make rawhide just from the deer I kill with the old self bow which for me here slows the numbers down some.
Title: Re: wet scrape deer hide?
Post by: trail walker on January 04, 2018, 09:52:47 am
sorry guys I've been out for a while. i did flesh the hide first, and it was sitting in a five gallon bucket for 2 days in our sun room at probably 80 Fahrenheit. The hair was pretty dirty, i scraped off the hair side and through it into the freezer.  The smell was not like unbearable, but definitely stuck to my hands for like a day or so.

But i did a no no. I through the hide over a makeshift beam that had a bunch of dust on it so now the flesh side is all dirty. I'm i correct in assuming that i need to get the membrane off the flesh side to and the dirt will come off? i peeled some of the membrane off by hand and it was the good creamy white color under.

bjrogg! i did get the cow hide brained, I'll have to put on some pictures. It turned out pretty stiff even after spending like 20 hours on it with a belt sander thinning it. the day i tried to soften it we put the frames corners up on some barrels, wet the hide until it was almost fresh off the cow constancy. And then me and my little brother bounced on it like a trampoline and hit/rubed it with sledge hammers for like 8 hours. :P turned into a good wall hanging, and when i can get some deer hide tanned for the tops it will probably keep me in moccasin soles for half my life.  :laugh:
Title: Re: wet scrape deer hide?
Post by: aaron on January 04, 2018, 10:53:19 am
The dirt should come off during scraping and softening. (though I did a hide once that got stained with charcoal and stayed that way despite scraping.)
I want to put in a plug here for using lye. This is becoming more and more of a neccecary step for modern wet-scrape tanning. Many folks think it dissolves the "glue" in the hide.It also makes scraping easier.
 Another step that goes hand-in-hand with this is acidifying. These are described in the 2nd ed. of Matt Richard's book deerskins into buckskins. These steps may takena few extra minutes, but may save you from re-doing a hide that comes out stiff.
Title: Re: wet scrape deer hide?
Post by: bjrogg on January 06, 2018, 03:12:04 pm
I really always like these hide care threads. I always learn something.

Wish I was young enough to jump on a trampoline for 30 minutes even trail Walker. That's a real family project there and one I'm sure you and your little brother will always remember. Wait till he starts coming up with projects he wants you to help with.lol. Thanks for posting I'd love to see some pictures.
Bjrogg
Title: Re: wet scrape deer hide?
Post by: trail walker on January 08, 2018, 10:28:32 am
so i also need to scrape the membrain off the flesh side right?
Title: Re: wet scrape deer hide?
Post by: Zuma on January 10, 2018, 01:04:00 pm
Yep I would recommend scraping the flesh side as well.
Zuma
Title: Re: wet scrape deer hide?
Post by: Outbackbob48 on January 10, 2018, 06:34:48 pm
Wait, a little confusing here, The flesh side and the membrain side or the same side, the other side is hair and grain. Membraining is just refleshing the flesh side. Clear as mud  :o Bob
Title: Re: wet scrape deer hide?
Post by: Hawkdancer on January 11, 2018, 01:12:52 am
While we are on the topic - has any one experienced freezer burn on a hide that was detrimental?  Also, I got about 6 pronghorn hides to soak, flesh, diehair, and  brain tan, but I lost my round tuit!  Hope I can find it soon!  Got to get another barrel to soak the hides, though.  I use garden lime as my lye source, seems to be milder, washes out better, and then throw them into a front loading commercial washing machine with the old running shoes.  2 cycles throughout the tumbler and they are ready for the braining, and almost pre staked! 
Hawkdancer




Title: Re: wet scrape deer hide?
Post by: Outbackbob48 on January 11, 2018, 08:14:45 am
Hawk, the best part about lime is that it will not get to strong no matter how much you use, the part I didn't like was how slippery hides get and the white residue on everything, a friend of mine uses the washing machine like you do to rinse and swears by it, I just can't convince the wife yet :o As far as freezer burn I am thinking longer to rehydrate as the only draw back, Just my .02 worth on it. Bob
Title: Re: wet scrape deer hide?
Post by: Hawkdancer on January 11, 2018, 11:50:44 am
I take them to a commercial laundromat for the washing part!  No mess at home that way, or at least minimal out in the yard.
Hawkdancer
Title: Re: wet scrape deer hide?
Post by: bjrogg on January 11, 2018, 07:50:53 pm
I take them to a commercial laundromat for the washing part!  No mess at home that way, or at least minimal out in the yard.
Hawkdancer

I bet you get some looks when you do that Hawkdancer.
Title: Re: wet scrape deer hide?
Post by: Hawkdancer on January 11, 2018, 11:27:37 pm
I do try to be incognito, but dumping the bag of running shoes does get noticed now and then >:D >:D!  I usually don't wear my leggings and breechcloth, though, that might attract attention!
Hawkdancer