Primitive Archer

Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: upstatenybowyer on June 10, 2018, 06:05:48 pm

Title: Fumed Hickory HLD/Molly Hybrid
Post by: upstatenybowyer on June 10, 2018, 06:05:48 pm
I've been really curious about HLD bows for a while and this is my first successful attempt. I had this hickory stave laying around that I was planning on making into a Molly. It was from a 2" diameter sapling and had a very consistent crown so I thought giving it hollow limbs might distribute the stress more evenly across the short working sections.

It definitely feels different when drawing this bow. It's got a real nice snappiness to it.  (SH) I'll bet it will perform better when it's stored near my wood stove during the winter.  (S) It's very humid here and in my experience humidity makes a hickory bow a bit sluggish.  (R Anyway...

65" ttt
45# @ 27.5"
fumed for 5 days
water buffalo overlays
ebony strike plate

Thanks for checking her out.  :)
Title: Re: Fumed Hickory HLD/Molly Hybrid
Post by: upstatenybowyer on June 10, 2018, 06:06:36 pm
4 more
Title: Re: Fumed Hickory HLD/Molly Hybrid
Post by: upstatenybowyer on June 10, 2018, 06:07:09 pm
last 3
Title: Re: Fumed Hickory HLD/Molly Hybrid
Post by: bjrogg on June 10, 2018, 06:22:59 pm
Looks like a keeper Jeff. Congrats on your first HLD. Nice job.
Bjrogg
Title: Re: Fumed Hickory HLD/Molly Hybrid
Post by: upstatenybowyer on June 10, 2018, 06:26:36 pm
Thanks bud.  ;)
Title: Re: Fumed Hickory HLD/Molly Hybrid
Post by: DC on June 10, 2018, 06:32:35 pm
Nice one! Did it turn slightly green or is that the camera. Yew seemed to turn greenish, sorta like pressure treated wood.
Title: Re: Fumed Hickory HLD/Molly Hybrid
Post by: Knoll on June 10, 2018, 06:35:38 pm
Masterful. Likely learned tons from this one. Congrats, sir!
Title: Re: Fumed Hickory HLD/Molly Hybrid
Post by: osage outlaw on June 10, 2018, 07:04:50 pm
It's been fun watching you progress from your first bow all the way to the works of art you have been making lately.  Great job on this bow.
Title: Re: Fumed Hickory HLD/Molly Hybrid
Post by: upstatenybowyer on June 10, 2018, 07:28:56 pm
Thank you guys very much.  :)

Yeah DC, there does seem to be a "greening" effect. Especially w/ BL. I'm glad you dig it.

Thanks Knoll. I definitely learned a ton with this bow. There were quite a few broken HLD attempts before this one. One of the toughest things for me was getting the walls the right shape/thickness.

That means a great deal coming from you OO. You've always given honest and helpful feedback. Your bows are one of a kind and always an inspiration.
Title: Re: Fumed Hickory HLD/Molly Hybrid
Post by: AniKituahBowyer on June 10, 2018, 07:54:26 pm
Great work! That's a beauty!
Title: Re: Fumed Hickory HLD/Molly Hybrid
Post by: bushboy on June 11, 2018, 02:05:28 am
Very nice!
Title: Re: Fumed Hickory HLD/Molly Hybrid
Post by: upstatenybowyer on June 11, 2018, 05:42:18 am
Thank you both. Bushy, your lever bows always set the bar high.  )P(
Title: Re: Fumed Hickory HLD/Molly Hybrid
Post by: Will B on June 11, 2018, 05:45:23 am
That bow is really stunning!  The finish work is really nice.  Excellent job as usual!
Title: Re: Fumed Hickory HLD/Molly Hybrid
Post by: Greg DeJanes on June 11, 2018, 05:53:56 am
That is an interesting bit of work. Really attractive too. My only hickory attempts seemed to gain set more than I wanted. Hope the heat treating helped avoid that problem with yours. How's that unstrung profile looking ?
You have to be a brave bowyer to attempt that one .  Very nice!
Very nice!!

Greg
Title: Re: Fumed Hickory HLD/Molly Hybrid
Post by: Marc St Louis on June 11, 2018, 06:33:32 am
Good looking bow. 

I'm not sold on this hollow limb design and if you had many failures then there must be something wrong with the style, just can't see them as a reliable option
Title: Re: Fumed Hickory HLD/Molly Hybrid
Post by: upstatenybowyer on June 11, 2018, 01:07:43 pm
Thanks Will. I wanted to try something different.

Thank you Greg. I know what you mean about hickory taking set. I think it may have to do with it's tendency to retain moisture. Thanks for reminding me I forgot to include an unbraced pic. I'll post one later on today.  ;)

I hear ya Marc. I'm still not completely sold on the design in every "high-crown" situation. There are woods that do great with a high crown (elm comes to mind). Additionally, these bows are kind of a pain to make IMO. There are so many factors to account for that do not yet have a tried-and-true standard to go by (proper depth, "wall thickness," best length-to-width ratio, ect.) I think most of the failures I've had were due to "walls" that were too thin and not rounded enough.
Title: Re: Fumed Hickory HLD/Molly Hybrid
Post by: Rākau on June 12, 2018, 02:29:21 am
that is a stunner!

I really love the look of those hollow limbs, especially how they go from very deep at the handle fades to shallow at the lever fades! even if it did mean a few broken bows in the process.
Title: Re: Fumed Hickory HLD/Molly Hybrid
Post by: M2A on June 12, 2018, 07:08:57 am
Great lookin bow!

Always interesting seeing your work. No 2 are the same and this one holds true to that. Looks like a lot of hard work to make that nice shooter, grats. Mike   
Title: Re: Fumed Hickory HLD/Molly Hybrid
Post by: upstatenybowyer on June 12, 2018, 06:10:09 pm
Thanks NZnuka. They do have a cool look about them.

I appreciate it Mike. I'm pretty motivated by trying out lots of different designs, finishings, ect.

Here's that unbraced pic I forgot to include. It started off pipe straight, so I think it took about 1/2-3/4" set. Pretty sure that's where she's gonna stay cause I've shot it at least 100 times.
Title: Re: Fumed Hickory HLD/Molly Hybrid
Post by: Aaron H on June 12, 2018, 06:31:23 pm
Very nice upstate
Title: Re: Fumed Hickory HLD/Molly Hybrid
Post by: Greg DeJanes on June 13, 2018, 06:18:17 am
I keep going back and looking at this one.  The finish is really nice too . What is the finish ?  Pardon my ignorance --- What is fuming ??

Very attractive bow,
Greg

Title: Re: Fumed Hickory HLD/Molly Hybrid
Post by: upstatenybowyer on June 13, 2018, 07:08:47 am
Thanks Aaron.  :)

Greg, the finish is teak oil. Fuming is when wood is enclosed/suspended in an air-tight container w/ ammonia. The fumes from the ammonia react w/ tannin in the wood producing a change in color. I got the idea from Simson.

I do it by hanging the bow inside a pvc pipe that has rags soaked in ammonia on the bottom. Thanks for checking out the bow!