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Title: powerlam on straight-handled bow?
Post by: upstatenybowyer on September 11, 2018, 06:45:21 pm
If you're splicing together billets w/ no deflex glued in, is a powerlam still advisable if you are planning on backing w/ wood?
Title: Re: powerlam on straight-handled bow?
Post by: DC on September 11, 2018, 07:01:57 pm
I've done quite a few spliced "selfbows" with no problem so splices are strong enough on their own but if you're going to back it anyway you might as well stick a lam in there. Unless your backing is one piece, then I don't see any gain.
Title: Re: powerlam on straight-handled bow?
Post by: upstatenybowyer on September 11, 2018, 08:45:08 pm
Makes sense. Thanks Don  :)
Title: Re: powerlam on straight-handled bow?
Post by: Stick Bender on September 12, 2018, 03:00:26 am
I dont think structurally it will make a diffence with using modern epoxy, if your looking to lengthing your fade area as with a PL you can do the same thing with increased riser/fade length with the added advantage of not having to remove limb wood to adjust the area in the fades , I did that on my last strait bow and worked good for me !
Title: Re: powerlam on straight-handled bow?
Post by: Dances with squirrels on September 12, 2018, 06:40:21 am
I've never put a power lam in a bow of any profile or type of construction, and never had a single problem that they're supposed to be needed to cure... so there's that.
Title: Re: powerlam on straight-handled bow?
Post by: Pat B on September 12, 2018, 07:45:21 am
As long as the handle area is thick enough not to bend while drawing there is no need for a power lam. Even with a backing the center can bend if not thick enough. If you start with a 3/4" belly lam and keep the handle area that thick and reduce the belly thickness to the limbs you will be OK. If your belly is thinner, say 3/8" to 1/2" thick there is a chance for the handle area to bend which puts the solidity of the handle riser at risk.
Title: Re: powerlam on straight-handled bow?
Post by: Stick Bender on September 12, 2018, 08:36:40 am
I could see a use for PL on a strait , short working limb bow such as a lever or tip wedge lam bow or if you wanted to increase the fade transition with out increasing handle length , some of the trilam guys on here use them all the time ,I haven't seen them used much on strait bows but would make sense to me with listed above. I have only used them on high reflexed stiff outer bows where the lower limbs are highly stressed but the concept is the same.
Title: Re: powerlam on straight-handled bow?
Post by: Bayou Ben on September 12, 2018, 08:38:17 am
In your example I don't see why you need one.   

About the only time I would say I need a power lam is when I'm doing a spliced backing or when doing a lot of deflex.  Even then if you build the handle up enough and feather it to working limbs, it's probably not needed.  That being said I do use them most of the time.  I like them for aesthetics and like Ritchie mentions it strengthens the fade area where you have more freedom to do what you want with the handle. 

I'm working on a Marc style bow, and I would not feel comfortable without a power lam on this one.  It's going to have a spliced backing.   

   
Title: Re: powerlam on straight-handled bow?
Post by: Pat B on September 12, 2018, 09:28:11 am
The backing and the handle riser will reinforce the splice plenty.
Title: Re: powerlam on straight-handled bow?
Post by: upstatenybowyer on September 12, 2018, 07:42:11 pm
A lot of great insight here as always. Pat you said all the right stuff, because the bow in question has only about 3/4" thickness at the handle if that. It's also 2" short of the recommended working-limb length (I'm leaving it quite wide and it's lilac- a very elastic wood -so I'm hoping to get away with it).

All that being said, it sounds like a powerlam might not be a bad idea.

I really appreciate all your input guys and I really hope your Marc-style bow works out Ben! Lord knows I've had a heck of time making one.  O:)

 :)