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Title: Nethers Farm-current info?
Post by: paulc on December 08, 2018, 06:32:31 am
Anyone collected there recently? I'll be in the area for Christmas and hope to go collect some rock. 

I've sent them a note through FB this morning...

Thanks, Paul
Title: Re: Nethers Farm-current info?
Post by: CMH on December 08, 2018, 09:24:41 am
Had never heard of this place before but looked it up...... would be a great one day trip from where I live...  abd would ve nice to gather my own flint. Thanks
Title: Re: Nethers Farm-current info?
Post by: bjrogg on December 08, 2018, 10:07:11 am
Let us know how it goes Paul. I've got the address in my phone just in case I ever get that way.
Bjrogg
Title: Re: Nethers Farm-current info?
Post by: JEB on December 08, 2018, 11:02:28 am
Was there this fall when attending Flintridge, the old gal was selling away. It was cherry picked over pretty good so you will have to spend some time there. She is a very nice person to talk with.  50cents a pound is what she charges.
Title: Re: Nethers Farm-current info?
Post by: CMH on December 08, 2018, 12:39:00 pm
So do you dig/excavate your own or?
Title: Re: Nethers Farm-current info?
Post by: paulc on December 08, 2018, 01:10:27 pm
I will be digging my own as best I can...
Title: Re: Nethers Farm-current info?
Post by: Outbackbob48 on December 08, 2018, 04:23:06 pm
Last time I was there .50 cents a lb. and $5.00 trespass fee. Make sure and bring  3# hammer and some stone chisel and a good spud bar, gloves and a potato fork for digging in the dirt pile from a already started hole. Be ready for some hard work, Every one should dig there own one time an then you will understand why rock dealers charge what they do :o ;D Have fun and make sure an high grade. Bob
Title: Re: Nethers Farm-current info?
Post by: CMH on December 08, 2018, 05:57:40 pm
Sounds like fun... thanks :)
Title: Re: Nethers Farm-current info?
Post by: JEB on December 08, 2018, 09:51:31 pm
She never charged me the trespass fee Bob but she did smile at me and offered me a coffee when I paid. Told me sit awhile.   lol
Title: Re: Nethers Farm-current info?
Post by: Outbackbob48 on December 09, 2018, 09:48:08 am
Jeb, she was never there when I was so I just put the money in her pre arranged envelopes and such.  :o Bob
Title: Re: Nethers Farm-current info?
Post by: JEB on December 11, 2018, 09:38:29 am
She was sitting in her rocker on the deck  when I pulled up. What a great lady to visit with.
Title: Re: Nethers Farm-current info?
Post by: bjrogg on December 11, 2018, 06:49:19 pm
That's great Jeb.
Title: Re: Nethers Farm-current info?
Post by: Hawkdancer on December 11, 2018, 10:01:57 pm
Love those type of landowners!  Met up with one like that back in the 70's, learned more about the area in 10 minutes than my a.h. Hunting partner learned in 2 days, never hunted with him again!  My local land owner gets a 6 pack of each batch of beer I make, but she was also the one who got me into brewing!  Be glad to talk with them any time!
Hawkdancer
Title: Re: Nethers Farm-current info?
Post by: paulc on December 30, 2018, 07:35:47 am
I shipped home about 65lbs of stone from Nethers-we flew to holidays this year. I'll post some pics after it comes out of Turkey roaster. And I noticed the owner has a pile of digging tools on the back porch-so it looked like she will lean you shovels and picks...etc.

Paul
Title: Re: Nethers Farm-current info?
Post by: 1442 on December 30, 2018, 10:08:18 pm
that sounds like an awesome place
im looking forward to the pictures of the rock you got
Title: Re: Nethers Farm-current info?
Post by: paulc on January 02, 2019, 11:31:21 am
the two boxes I shipped home arrived today....hopefully i can get some points out of this but I'm worried about freeze cracks.  Next time I collect I might try to focus on stuff that has slabbed "naturally" from the freeze/thaw and maybe save myself some heartache...Good part is a lot of this can also be used to make jewelry with the wife once it proves unsuitable for knapping.  Paul
Title: Re: Nethers Farm-current info?
Post by: paulc on January 02, 2019, 11:33:33 am
that forth pic is my two test pieces that came back in luggage.  Both were perhaps softball-ish in size and they are a lot smaller now.  Only 2 or 3 flakes popped off that might be turned into a point-last two pics is one possible point from test rock....Paul
Title: Re: Nethers Farm-current info?
Post by: 1442 on January 02, 2019, 06:18:04 pm
that test piece sure is good looking
I do see a lot of fractures in the rocks that youll have to work around but it sure looks good in between them.
Thanks for the look
Title: Re: Nethers Farm-current info?
Post by: JEB on January 02, 2019, 06:35:46 pm
Cook it up and the colors may change.
Title: Re: Nethers Farm-current info?
Post by: bjrogg on January 04, 2019, 05:06:38 am
Gotta be something in there. (-P
Bjrogg
Title: Re: Nethers Farm-current info?
Post by: paulc on January 04, 2019, 08:35:11 am
Latest from the cooker...

bottom rock doesn't seem to even be flint as near as I can tell-but pretty neat looking. 

Left is def flint but no pattern to the breaks

Top rock seems to have a lot of promise-doubt anything too large but certainly a couple arrowheads. 

The point is about as good as it will get for that piece-first break from first cooking.  It is right at 1"wide so I could spare a tiny bit of width trying to thin it down but not sure it is worth it.  I put the parent rock back in the cooker last night so maybe more heat will allow me to get more out of what is left....Paul
Title: Re: Nethers Farm-current info?
Post by: paulc on January 05, 2019, 01:44:16 pm
I have managed to slab a bit of my flint ridge stuff!  So for those of you that might be interested in it-you don't need an expensive proper rock saw.  This is my crappy refurbed saw from ebay with a $60 blade that says you have to use oil to cool it but water seems to have worked okay for today.  Of course the size of what you can cut is pretty limited but I think I can get arrowheads out of these...

Now to try and cook the slabs a bit to get some better flaking.

Paul
Title: Re: Nethers Farm-current info?
Post by: paulc on January 14, 2019, 08:51:58 am
so I changed my cooking process this weekend-put a load through the turkey roaster all night Friday and then shallow buried it and kept a med fire burning on it for about 8hrs Saturday.  I didn't get much/any pieces exploding and much of it has improved in it knapp-ability.  But this is still going to be some really tough stuff to work with.  I was approaching what could have been described as a preform with this piece before it came apart.  But I was beating on it like madman so not that surprising it broke.  Perhaps a little more heat would have helped this piece-really don't know.  Now I have a shot at getting two small points...the story of my knapping life :-)  This is such NEAT stone!!  And challenging!

Paul
Title: Re: Nethers Farm-current info?
Post by: paulc on January 21, 2019, 07:45:06 pm
Another clunky preform from Nethers rock.  It will break if I hit it with all I have with a bopper but I can't do much with a pressure flaker.  Would cooking this for longer, or at higher temp cause it to flake better?

Thanks, Paul
Title: Re: Nethers Farm-current info?
Post by: bjrogg on January 22, 2019, 05:09:49 am
Paulc, I'm certainly no expert cook. It sure doesn't look overcooked to me though. Might try putting your preform in cooker to. Hoping you get something slick and colorful.
Bjrogg
Title: Re: Nethers Farm-current info?
Post by: 1442 on January 23, 2019, 06:29:52 am
more heat can't hurt if it's still too tough, I reckon, but I'd sure rather have a undercooked rock any day versus an overcooked rock 
That sure is some cool looking rock.
Title: Re: Nethers Farm-current info?
Post by: paulc on January 23, 2019, 08:01:05 am
How does overcooked rock behave?  How will i know I have taken it too far?  Paul
Title: Re: Nethers Farm-current info?
Post by: mullet on January 23, 2019, 08:16:41 am
It will crumble when you hit it.
Title: Re: Nethers Farm-current info?
Post by: bjrogg on January 23, 2019, 04:25:14 pm
It will crumble when you hit it.


Yup you'll know if you overcook it.
Title: Re: Nethers Farm-current info?
Post by: Blitzkrieg721 on February 07, 2019, 02:20:33 pm
that stuff should work pretty well, ive worked a lot of flint ridge material...it is likely that you aren't getting enough temp on it honestly, I think some of it can take almost 700 degrees to work well...most guys who dig and cook it use a kiln to get it cooked right...also different variations will take different temps..