Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Primitive Skills => Topic started by: eddy8888 on April 10, 2008, 10:07:13 pm
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Anyone every done it ,, that works???
I have the blade and antler, but cant find any articials on how to cut of the wedge and glue it in place ....
Thanks
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I did a few eddy, not the primitive way but got the job done anyhow :). I happen to have a band saw handy - I imagine a file will work with a little more time. Cut the notch into the end of your antler then glue the blade in. I used TBIII mixed with sawdust, not that it matters and artificial sinew - cause I hadn't collected any real stuff yet. Gut works good too, just ask Yankeemongiat ;).
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were you mountin that deer and had the cape or is that how ya guys skin your deer in texas? :)
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were you mountin that deer and had the cape or is that how ya guys skin your deer in texas? :)
Ohh....Yer one a dem Funny Guys....eh!!!
Try Gut and Hide Glue....works great....and if you dont have any Pine Pitch....what Cowboy mentioned....works great too for bedding the Blade....Now that I have some Backstrap Sinew again....I may stop with the Gut....but it really is fast and shrinks good when it dries....so it works as good as Sinew....and is about 5 times as fast to apply too.....
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take the piece of antler that you are going to use for handle and boil it until center is soft, then use a flattened antler tine or rib bone,or even a flint drill and drillinto the center of the antler ...should be nice and soft now...
cut off as much antler you need to ensure good fit and a longer tang...
then press the blade down into the the antler handle while it is still rather soft...
then wait till dry.
this will be a SUPER STRONG FIT, but then you can fancy it up with some pitch glue and sinew and should be just fine.
thats one abo way.
mbg
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That sounds good mbg, haven't thought up any abo ways of doin it - will store that in my memory banks :). No hunter, I would like to have the hide in one peice usually - but that was my brother's buck and he wanted it on the wall ;).
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Thanks for all the different ways and materials to do it.
I will use a band saw to cut the antler and I have hide glue and artifical stuff for this one.
Eddy
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Show photo's when done!!!!!! >:D ;D
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Good post guys. I've got an obsidian blade (actually half of one that I broke) that I've been waiting to stick on a antler handle.
If a guy doesn't have any pine trees for pitch, will pine tar (like you use on a baseball bat) work with charcoal?
Mike
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Good post guys. I've got an obsidian blade (actually half of one that I broke) that I've been waiting to stick on a antler handle.
If a guy doesn't have any pine trees for pitch, will pine tar (like you use on a baseball bat) work with charcoal?
Mike
Sure will Mike....this is the thick Tar ...correct?? 4 parts Pine tar to 1 Part ground Charcoal
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Where do you buy pine tar??? Can't say I've seen it before.
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Where do you buy pine tar??? Can't say I've seen it before.
Try Pinehollowlongbows....or Threerivers
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3rivers has pine pitch in little tins....
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And I beleive that Pinehollow has it on a Stick....like a Slo-Poke Sucker!!! >:D
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i figured you were capin er out. my dad does taxidermy and i know about capin and it looks like you do it right. ;D for cuttin the hide at the right place.
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Since they use pine tar on baseball bats (wooden) I just assumed you could get it from a sporting goods store. I'd never tried them before but thought I'd give it try. ::)
Hey Yankee I saw a guy make pine pitch glue and he used one part pitch, one part charcoal and one part dried manure (he stressed it had to be from a herbivore). Not sure what the manure is for. :-\
Mike
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I have alot of pine rosin for sale if you need some! cheaper than all the suppliers that I know of! Thnks Buck
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Since they use pine tar on baseball bats (wooden) I just assumed you could get it from a sporting goods store. I'd never tried them before but thought I'd give it try. ::)
Hey Yankee I saw a guy make pine pitch glue and he used one part pitch, one part charcoal and one part dried manure (he stressed it had to be from a herbivore). Not sure what the manure is for. :-\
Mike Manure is fer strength. Herbivore manure contains lots of tiny undigested stuff...........bob
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Hey Yankee I saw a guy make pine pitch glue and he used one part pitch, one part charcoal and one part dried manure (he stressed it had to be from a herbivore). Not sure what the manure is for. :-\
Mike
The Manure has undigested Hay and Grass in it...this adds Strength to the Pine Tar....like adding Reinforcement Rod to Concrete...or like backing a Bow with Bamboo...but I think if I was going to add anything to it besides the Tar .... Lard or Beeswax.... and Charcoal....... it would have to be like Plaster of Paris not Manure!!!
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Not sure if were all talkining the same thing here or not, pine pitch, pine tar, pine rosin
pine tar is a wood preservative and is made from a distillation process
pine pitch to me is sap collected from a tree, heated and mixed with charcoal and other binders
pine rosin ??? I have no idea. buck is that just yer name for pitch?
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Yep...Pine Pitch is what you want fer da Glue...not Tar...tar is fer da Wadder Pruufing ...eh....and da Rosin....well I tinks He meant da Resin....which is da Pitch to Dana....cause da Rosin is da leftover after da Turpentine is extracted frum da Pitch (Resin)....boy now...dats too scientific fer me dis early on a Sunday Mornin!!!
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Yankee I might be the only one to understand that, made perfect sense to me ;) :)
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Ya Think!!!!!!!!!
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Come on Mike, you're going to have to drop the Tejas from your name talking like that. ;D
Ok I think I got it straight now. The stuff that oozes straight from the tree is for making glue. The manure is for strength and the charcoal is to filter out the smell of the manure. ;). Pine tar is for waterproofing the sinew to keep it from coming undone when it get moist. ::)
Mike
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OK Mike....I jut thought that Yankee Texas (Tejas)....was kinda cute....but if you insist....I will change it......My Buddy John called Me..... "El Destructo"....because I was soo Hard on Bow Staves when I started out....so maybe I will go with that....waddaya think???
Ferget da Chit....and stick ta da Sap...an da Charcoal Briquettes...an Beeswax....dats all Ya needs!!!
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Pine pitch, pine tar and pine resin are all colloquialisms for the same stuff...the gooey stuff that oozes out of a boo boo on a pine tree. ;D Pitch glue is a mixture of pine resin, charcoal or other materials(dried rabbit or deer poop) for body and bees wax or animal fat to make it less brittle. Everyone has their own recipe and mine is about equal parts of each with maybe a bit more pitch.
To seal sinew wraps and some arrow shafts I dissolve pitch in alcohol, strain it and paint it on with a small brush. The older pitch that has hardened(terps evaporated off) seems to dry well without being tacky for a while. If your pitch varnish is tacky you can roll the area covered by it in fine charcoal dust or chalk dust.
There is no smell to dried rabbit or deer poop. If there is, you don't want to use it. Basically it is the non digested material(plant fibers) that you are using in the pitch glue to add body to it. Pat
ps. Other plant resins will also work for pitch glue or varnishes.
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Ahh Mike, I was just kidding. Any one that would live in the Texas Panhandle (or Oklahoma Panhandle for that matter) can call themselves a Tejano if they want to, no matter how they talk, but "El Destructo" has a certain Latino ring to it as well, especially if you roll the "R". :D
Thanks for the info, Pat. I do have some "stuff that came off my pine trees after last December's ice storm that broke off some limbs. I'm going to take a few pictures of it and let you guys tell me if it's the right stuff.
I'll get back with you all. ;)
Mike
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OK, here are the pictures. This is what I got off my pine trees after last winter's ice storm broke a bunch of limbs. It reminds me of crystallized sugar. Is it too late or too brittle to make pine glue from using the above mentioned recipes?
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Mike, that'll work fine-crunch it up a little and heat it up.
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Looks like good stuff. I've had great success with it. The longer you heat it the more brittle it'll be when it cools.
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Cool. I'm going to try and get it mixed up and bring with me to the Classic. Along with some Tonkin cane and......some of Pappy's rocks....... :o
Thanks guys
Mike