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Title: Limited space
Post by: Ricardovanleeuwen on January 02, 2020, 11:34:25 am
Oké so im not sure is this is in the right section but the problem is; i recently moved to a  cabin wich is 13x13 feet, now i store my wood on the inside of the roof, but i dont have annything i can clamb my wood on to work it into  a bow.
Annyone have n idea to make a compact but also important a stable working platform? I ruined 2 of my b quality staves because i cant stay calm when i get  frustrated, and it frustrate me when i spend more time on turning the stave back with the good size up or re-clamp thw stave then making shavings and finaly finish  a bow again
Title: Re: Limited space
Post by: bjrogg on January 02, 2020, 12:16:16 pm
I've often thought I'd really like a vice just mounted on a heavy duty pipe casing that would side into another in the center of my floor. So I could stand wherever I'd like when working. You probably could use a old truck rim for a base to.
Bjrogg
Title: Re: Limited space
Post by: aznboi3644 on January 02, 2020, 12:21:55 pm
You can always just keep a shave horse outside and work on bows outside.  Space should be almost unlimited there.
Title: Re: Limited space
Post by: Ricardovanleeuwen on January 02, 2020, 01:10:13 pm
 (-have to look for a vice i think then.  I had a good shaving horse but it couldnt move with me because it was  made out of whole logs and ws too large to move.

Space outside is also limited because the cabin is on a camping
Title: Re: Limited space
Post by: PatM on January 02, 2020, 02:18:43 pm
How much space do you need?   Just put a shavehorse outside and throw a tarp over it.
Title: Re: Limited space
Post by: stuckinthemud on January 02, 2020, 02:40:23 pm
Make a leg vise, there's many 'how-to'  articles on the internet, even someone who made one using a scaffolding levelling screw and some scrap timber
Title: Re: Limited space
Post by: Pat B on January 02, 2020, 04:20:09 pm
Also, when you get frustrated put down the tools and walk away.
Title: Re: Limited space
Post by: bjrogg on January 02, 2020, 07:06:07 pm
Also, when you get frustrated put down the tools and walk away.


Yup. I don't do this to get frustrated.
Bjrogg
Title: Re: Limited space
Post by: bownarra on January 03, 2020, 01:42:54 am
Just make a small bench out of 4x4's with triangles for bracing the corners. Needn't take more than an hour or so and won't cost much. Then attach an engineers 4" vice to it. Simple.
If you want to be able to control your emotions google the wim hof method. Trust me you will be a different person in a month with no stress. Try it - it might change your life :)
Title: Re: Limited space
Post by: Eric Krewson on January 03, 2020, 07:55:21 am
I used to play tennis with a young guy who would pitch a fit when he missed a shot, he would slam his racket on the concrete and fence all the while shouting and cursing like an idiot.

I told him if he couldn't straighten up his behavior there was no need for him coming to the tennis courts while I was there. I guess he just needed a wakeup call from me, he changed and actually played a much better game after he learned to keep his emotions in check.

Do you see where I am going with this? There is no point in you trying to make bows if you get frustrated and destroy your work.

ALL of us have broken and ruined a bunch of bows and staves while we were learning the process. The key is to just say "dang", throw the failure in the burn pile and start another one.

I did run a hickory bow through my bandsaw once after I badly hinged a limb but I needed some hickory wood for the BBQ and the bow was toast already.
Title: Re: Limited space
Post by: aznboi3644 on January 03, 2020, 09:35:11 pm
Bow making for me puts me in the calmest of all moods.  It is a way to focus.

You shouldn’t need much room outside. Also if it is a campsite than working on a bow outside should
Be perfectly fine.  Unless it’s glamping in a RV and the sound of tools ruins someone’s big screen TV movie night outside the RV. 

Seriously I used to make bows in my apartment on a 6x6 rug I laid out in the living room.  After each session I would just vacuum and a sweep up.  You don’t need a 20x20 shop to work on a 72” bow.
Title: Re: Limited space
Post by: stuckinthemud on January 04, 2020, 03:32:43 am
Failure is a huge part of this game. When I started out, just getting a stick to bend, without a hinge or 4 inches of set was an achievement and I broke as many as I made, as I get better, my standards get higher, and although the number of bows that snap or fall way below target weight is smaller, my failure rate is still really high as I no longer accept things like 4 inches of set.  My work area is a small cleared space in the garage about 4 feet deep by 4 foot wide but I have arranged all the household junk so I can swing the end of a bow around to work on one end at a time when I work at the bench - a door strapped to the wall with legs made from 4x4 fence posts. Mostly I work using short fat log (about 14 inches high and 14 inches wide) as an anvil for all my hatchet work. I also use it to brace against for rasping and sanding. Its amazing what a hatchet and rasp can accomplish, I very rarely use a vise for bow building.  I'm pretty sure I could get away without a bench or a vice but they are nice things to have.
Title: Re: Limited space
Post by: Ricardovanleeuwen on January 04, 2020, 09:08:21 am
most of the times it also Works relaxijg for me but i had a nice place to Work but then i had to move.  And as i will restart a bow  i also have to restart my all dy life also, new house newjob low budget,  not that i say this to complain  orso. But i see making bows as n escape to   all the hussle,  but when my escape route isgettinf bkocked.  Than  i catnt sty ck.
Title: Re: Limited space
Post by: Ricardovanleeuwen on January 04, 2020, 09:33:40 am
Got a good found yesterday by the way, where i i live its ful off elm and i believe i found the good elm as i read about it here.  Its rock winged elm, or hybride.  Thick growth rings and nice and straight. Its about 5 inch at the bottom nd 4 at top.  I hope the foto will upload
Title: Re: Limited space
Post by: Ricardovanleeuwen on January 04, 2020, 09:35:15 am
Forgot the second pic
Title: Re: Limited space
Post by: TimBo on January 04, 2020, 11:42:48 am
Wow, that looks like a nice log!  Hopefully it splits well for you - elm can be a bit resistant to splitting.
Title: Re: Limited space
Post by: Ricardovanleeuwen on January 04, 2020, 01:05:47 pm
Almost debarked it now, tomorrow i will cut groovesin it with an angle grinder   (i know its not the safest option but its stikl an  option) ) and split it...
IF this log will split  cleanly in half,  would the diameter be big enough to quarter it?
Title: Re: Limited space
Post by: Eric Krewson on January 04, 2020, 05:57:19 pm
Yes
Title: Re: Limited space
Post by: Weylin on January 04, 2020, 07:08:10 pm
Your space is definitely workable. I spent all of last year working full time making bows professionally in a 12x12 shop with my staves in the ceiling. I even have a giant bandsaw taking up a quarter of the shop. I had an old sturdy picnic table screwed to the wall as a work bench with a couple of bench vises clamped to it. I use a Stavemaster made by Keenan Howard for most of my day to day tillering work. I had room for a tillering tree on one wall and room for all of my tools. It was tight but I made it work fairly comfortably. Here are a few pictures.

(https://i.imgur.com/hdEqQ2x.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/07qK4Fy.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/drnjzUK.jpg)
Title: Re: Limited space
Post by: Stoner on January 04, 2020, 07:45:30 pm
Weylin , hope your ceiling joist are strong. Looks like the straw that broke the camels back. LOL

Jus' kidin' I use to do the same in AZ. John
Title: Re: Limited space
Post by: bjrogg on January 04, 2020, 07:54:03 pm
really nice use of your space Weylin. I just did a long overdue cleanup of my space. It always seems a lot bigger after I'm done
bjrogg
Title: Re: Limited space
Post by: Weylin on January 04, 2020, 08:07:13 pm
Weylin , hope your ceiling joist are strong. Looks like the straw that broke the camels back. LOL

Jus' kidin' I use to do the same in AZ. John

It was stronger than it looked but I eyed it warily sometimes.  ;D I'm in a different, bigger shop space now and I'm not sitting directly under a thousand pounds of bow staves.
Title: Re: Limited space
Post by: aznboi3644 on January 04, 2020, 10:30:29 pm
From the video interview of Ed Scott he works on his bows in a shed lol.  It’s doable.
Title: Re: Limited space
Post by: artcher1 on January 05, 2020, 06:29:28 am
With the heart of the log being off center you'll have to deal with lateral issues if you quarter your log. I would try for one stave off the compression side and one from the tension side. I would split like this...…...
Title: Re: Limited space
Post by: artcher1 on January 05, 2020, 06:45:42 am
Can't repost your picture for some reason. Anyway, look close at the heart of the log and you can see the drying/tension crack starting. Just follow that crack...….Art
Title: Re: Limited space
Post by: artcher1 on January 05, 2020, 07:06:16 am
Will try again!
Title: Re: Limited space
Post by: Eric Krewson on January 05, 2020, 07:54:52 am
I made my first 50 or so bows in a 5X7 area in the garage by the water heater. I had a 6' workbench, on the wall over the workbench I had my drying box and a rack for staves and bamboo, I had a tillering tree on the wall at the end of the workbench.

I stored my stave collection under the house, I tried the attic first but my staves checked badly, lesson learned.

I had 12" Craftsman bandsaw, a table top jointer and belt sander that I took outside to use, either under the maple tree in the front yard or on patio out back. I put dolly wheels on two legs of the bandsaw so I could tilt it onto the wheels and roll it about.

All this was before digital cameras and i don't think I ever took a picture of my work space.

Here is my first workbench and junk collector after I moved to a new house and built a nice shop and a new workbench. I put it up on Craigslist for free and a guy came and carried it off.

This workbench occupied most of my work area in the garage, I had about 3' between it and the wall. I had a vise and post arrangement to hold staves like I have on my new bench. It is hard to imagine all the bows I made on that bench, I had it bolted to the wall to keep it from walking across the floor when I was doing some heavy drawknifing.