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Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: Allyn T on October 05, 2020, 07:35:31 am

Title: Advice needed(long draw short bow)
Post by: Allyn T on October 05, 2020, 07:35:31 am
Ok I have a bow that is 64" long, it's 3" wide at the widest and straight pyramid tapers to 1/4 inch at the tips. It's a hickory self bow. I'm about to start floor tillering this week. I'm trying to get the finished bow to 50-55lbs at 32inch is this possible without taking massive set? Would trapping the back help? Possibly heat treating the belly Marc St.Louis style, or both?
Title: Re: Advice needed(long draw short bow)
Post by: Pat B on October 05, 2020, 08:11:39 am
Heat treating will help, trapping will help but you are still pushing the limits of this bow by drawing to twice it's length.
Title: Re: Advice needed(long draw short bow)
Post by: NonBacked on October 05, 2020, 09:16:38 am
With those specs, you will minimize the set by building a bend-through-the-handle design.
Title: Re: Advice needed(long draw short bow)
Post by: Allyn T on October 05, 2020, 09:35:54 am
So would doing both help more or weaken it too much? It's too late for bend through the handle.
Title: Re: Advice needed(long draw short bow)
Post by: Badger on October 05, 2020, 09:57:10 am
    At 3" wide you have a pretty good chance of it not taking too much set. Just make sure the wood is very dry.
Title: Re: Advice needed(long draw short bow)
Post by: Allyn T on October 05, 2020, 10:06:41 am
    At 3" wide you have a pretty good chance of it not taking too much set. Just make sure the wood is very dry.
Would you recommend any treatment? I haven't weighed it yet but using your formula I was figuring about 24oz would be the goal but I'd be scared to take any off the sides ahead of time
Title: Re: Advice needed(long draw short bow)
Post by: Badger on October 05, 2020, 10:36:28 am
   I would pay more attention to set than any formula. At 3" wide I bet you will end up pretty close anyway.
Title: Re: Advice needed(long draw short bow)
Post by: Allyn T on October 05, 2020, 10:38:28 am
I will do that, thank you
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Post by: scp on October 05, 2020, 12:03:15 pm
I would try to keep the limbs wider and thinner than the pure pyramid, like the Eiffel tower style.
Title: Re: Advice needed(long draw short bow)
Post by: Allyn T on October 05, 2020, 12:24:36 pm
The fryou mean leave the tips stiffer and thinner? The bow is already shaped in a pure pyramid right now
Title: Re: Advice needed(long draw short bow)
Post by: scp on October 05, 2020, 01:50:33 pm
The bow is already shaped in a pure pyramid right now

In that case, you can probably narrow the limbs near the handle. 3 inch might be a little too much, forcing it to be too stiff or too thin there. Too many variables. Just go slow while checking the tiller often, without stressing the limbs too much, please. The tips for about 8 inches should be narrow but thick enough not to bend at all and can be recurved.
Title: Re: Advice needed(long draw short bow)
Post by: Allyn T on October 05, 2020, 02:08:02 pm
Isn't the point of a pyramid to tiller it arc of the circle? I don't want to recurve it I'm afraid it would stress the limbs more. I want to avoid as much set as possible. I knew this design would be pushing it without adding extra stress to the wood
Title: Re: Advice needed(long draw short bow)
Post by: bradsmith2010 on October 05, 2020, 02:38:21 pm
I think the 3 inches will be needed,,
Title: Re: Advice needed(long draw short bow)
Post by: Allyn T on October 05, 2020, 04:50:22 pm
I think the 3 inches will be needed,,
That's what I was thinking
Title: Re: Advice needed(long draw short bow)
Post by: bradsmith2010 on October 05, 2020, 07:20:17 pm
ok knock it out, lets see  it  shoot,, :)
Title: Re: Advice needed(long draw short bow)
Post by: Allyn T on October 05, 2020, 07:55:20 pm
Just for you I'll get it done, and myself...mostly myself (lol)
Title: Re: Advice needed(long draw short bow)
Post by: JW_Halverson on October 05, 2020, 08:04:26 pm
Just for the record, how tall are you?
Title: Re: Advice needed(long draw short bow)
Post by: bradsmith2010 on October 05, 2020, 08:14:02 pm
im gonna guess 6 ft 4 inches,,
Title: Re: Advice needed(long draw short bow)
Post by: Allyn T on October 05, 2020, 08:46:11 pm
Brad hit it on the nose, savvy guesser ;)
Title: Re: Advice needed(long draw short bow)
Post by: bassman on October 06, 2020, 06:52:27 pm
I envy guys with long draws, but not quite that long.
Title: Re: Advice needed(long draw short bow)
Post by: Allyn T on October 06, 2020, 08:38:20 pm
It does make it a bit tougher in the wood bow world, hell even in the compound world the bow I bought was the only one in the shop that could go that long