Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: El Destructo on May 01, 2008, 11:09:02 pm
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Do you have to work Locust like Osage....no Sapwood??? Or just strip the Bark like Ash or Hickory???? I am not even for sure that this is Locust....just taking the Neighbors word for it..... My Wife thought it was Green Ash!! Here is a Closeup of the Rings....can anyone tell me by this and the Bark for sure what it is??? Any help will be appreciated immensely!!
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well i cant tell you what it is.however it doesnt look like the blacklocust that my neighbor has.
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Here either. The bark does'nt look right. But if you saw the tree and it had thorns all over it you can pretty much bet it's some variety of locust. I may be way off base though.
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That doesn't look like BL. Yes, you should remove the sapwood if you have enough heartwood. Jawge
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Here either. The bark does'nt look right. But if you saw the tree and it had thorns all over it you can pretty much bet it's some variety of locust. I may be way off base though.
No thorns at all....but then there are Sunburst Locust....and they have no thorns.........the leaves were small and thin and lined up like these on the Stems
Jawge...look at the Pictrure...them are 4X4 Oaks on the Concrete....the Log is about 12 inches across....and has about one third whitewood....so thats a lot of Sapwood to remove....I sure wish I could tell if this was Locust or Soapberry.....or some other Texas Tree
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Black locust has smalllll spines on newer shoots. Honey locust(Gleditsia triacanthos) sometimes has the huge thorns in threes poking out of limbs and trunk, but not always. It looks more like the smooth bark of honey locust and definitely not the thick deep furrowed bark of the BL. Good for making bows either way you look at it.
Tracy
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Its a species of Honey locust, in the genus Gleditsia. Differenet genus than Black Locust. Should be good. Remove the sapwood.
Dave
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Looks like the Honey Locust i cut down.
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This one didn't have any thorns though........
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Its a species of Honey locust, in the genus Gleditsia. Differenet genus than Black Locust. Should be good. Remove the sapwood.
Dave
Sure aint much going to be left if I remove the sapwood.....
it will run at least 50/50 through all of these Staves when they are worked down
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Looks like the Honey Locust i cut down.
This one didn't have any thorns though........
Mine didn't have Thorns either....and the Heartwood is kinda reddish too....but yours has a lot more heartwood.....mine has a Bunch of Sapwood....wont be much usable wood once all of the Sapwood is removed
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Well that IS some pretty thick sapwood, and it has well-defined early/late phases in growth rings with thick late growth. You might want to try one on the sapwood and one on the heart and compare. Whip those up this weekend and report back
Dave
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Well Dave.........It may be a Tad too wet still .....dontcha think!!!!!!!!! Since I just cut her last weekend!! But I am going to try a Billet Bow with the Sapwood on.....and see if it split or not.....I havent ever had any luck with Sapwood on Osage Bows.....but I have seen them built.....Mine always split right to the Heartwood!!
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Good luck, I know on the stuff i cut the sap wood is no where as near as strong as the heart wood.. That heart wood is STRONG stuff !!
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I've had that problem with BL. Sometimes you have to leave a little sapwood on. I found the closer you get to the heartwood the stronger the sapwood. Never used HL though. Jawge
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I've had that problem with BL. Sometimes you have to leave a little sapwood on. I found the closer you get to the heartwood the stronger the sapwood. Never used HL though. Jawge
Any Advice would be welcomed Jawge....you are a lot more experienced at this than I am... Sould I chase a Ring in the Sapwood....or just leave it like it is till it dries...and then see???
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The sapwood rings in your second pic (first post) look pretty close to be chasing. I'd just make a bow using the outer wood as the back, that or thin the sapwood in half and back with rawhide or sinew for safety. You'll probably only wind up with heartwood in the handle.
If your making a splice on billets, be sure the wood is good and dry or the glue line might fail when the wood shrinks.
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Thanks Lennie..I stripped the Bark off of two Sister Pieces....and I am going to let them Dry for a few days and see if the Sapwood will make them slit like Osage does....if not ....I am going to leave it and try it like you said.....I have plenty of Rawhide ...so that is always an option too!!
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Here is what the Leaves and the Flowers look like....I still think that it is a Form of Honey Locust....possibly the Thornless Type
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The one i cut , i took the bark off a couple,just to see how it would dry, and they checked liked heck ! I would seal them if you take the bark off.
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Looks like you have enough to me. The rings are narrow like Tom Sawyer noticed. The stave will teach you that's for sure .But measure it out and see.. You are going to want about 1.75 in wide tapering to 1/2 in nocks. Jawge
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Looks like you have enough to me. The rings are narrow like Tom Sawyer noticed. The stave will teach you that's for sure .But measure it out and see.. You are going to want about 1.75 in wide tapering to 1/2 in nocks. Jawge
And No Sapwood???
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I would leave 1 or 2 sapwood rings for the back.
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I would leave 1 or 2 sapwood rings for the back.
Dang thats going to be a Challenge....they are soo close together....worse than Osage!!
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Hey destructo check your tbb I think I recall someone saying something about not using the sapwood in there,don't remember which book.The sapwood on my black locust stave checked but not into the heartwood. Frank