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Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: Mad Max on December 04, 2020, 04:08:22 pm

Title: Snakey Osage 2020--####All Finished#########
Post by: Mad Max on December 04, 2020, 04:08:22 pm: The first thing I did was shim up the right side of the handle to get the tips level with the tiller tree.
Did I do that correct ??
70" NTN, 4" fades per side , 4" handle
(https://i.imgur.com/ZGZXoc2.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/EElc36p.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/yWotBlA.jpg?1)
Title: Re: Snakey Osage 2020
Post by: bjrogg on December 04, 2020, 08:01:52 pm: That one is going to be challenging.
It looks like you are using turnbuckles to pull tip towards each other?

Normally we would first use a long string and draw the bow by pulling down on center of string. Observing the bend

Bjrogg
Title: Re: Snakey Osage 2020
Post by: Mad Max on December 04, 2020, 08:07:27 pm: I did alot of floor tiller, it was ready, started at about 3" brace.

What about the way it is sitting on the tree with the tips level and the fades, one low and one high
Title: Re: Snakey Osage 2020
Post by: bjrogg on December 04, 2020, 08:10:56 pm: I think that looks ok. You certainly picked a challenging stick. Should be interesting.
Bjrogg
Title: Re: Snakey Osage 2020
Post by: capitainepatenaude on December 05, 2020, 10:50:18 am: When I work with this kind of stave, I try to have the tips parallel to the floor. I then shape the handle accordingly like you did. I can't wait to see the final result. Good luck!
Title: Re: Snakey Osage 2020
Post by: Mad Max on December 05, 2020, 10:57:24 am: Thanks guy's for the info ;)
Title: Re: Snakey Osage 2020
Post by: bentstick54 on December 07, 2020, 08:22:32 pm: Man you know how to pick a challenge don’t you? I’m not sure which way it’s snakier, belly to back, or side to side. Can’t wait to see what you can do with that.
Title: Re: Snakey Osage 2020
Post by: Lehtis on December 07, 2020, 11:49:23 pm: Nice challenge!
Will this be a bow or toy (pounds)?
Title: Re: Snakey Osage 2020
Post by: Yooper Bowyer on December 08, 2020, 12:22:10 pm: That's an interesting stick.

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Man you know how to pick a challenge don’t you? I’m not sure which way it’s snakier, belly to back, or side to side.

IMO the back to belly waves are much more of a challenge than the side to side waves. I'd tackle something with twice the side to side if the tips are aligned and the back to belly profile is smooth. That wave on the inner right would drive me crazy.

Good luck,
Title: Re: Snakey Osage 2020
Post by: maitus on December 08, 2020, 12:31:50 pm: How do You guys tiller bows like these....I wouldn't be able to do it :)?
Title: Re: Snakey Osage 2020
Post by: Yooper Bowyer on December 08, 2020, 12:43:11 pm: I understand that even thickness taper is the most important part of tillering. I just got a set of electronic calipers that reads down to .0005 in, though I trust them to .001 in. They have been quite helpful already.

You can also draw a straight line on the side of the bow at any really wacky point so you can measure the bend of the line instead of the wood. That doesn't work well for whole lengths of limb though.
Title: Re: Snakey Osage 2020
Post by: medicinewheel on December 12, 2020, 03:27:33 am: Besides a VERY interesting/challenging bow project i see a very interesting tillering string.
Would you show it in detail and explain it for us. I'm sure I'm not the onlyone interested in it!
Title: Re: Snakey Osage 2020
Post by: Mad Max on December 15, 2020, 04:01:04 pm: Quote from: medicinewheel on December 12, 2020, 03:27:33 am
Besides a VERY interesting/challenging bow project i see a very interesting tillering string.
Would you show it in detail and explain it for us. I'm sure I'm not the onlyone interested in it!

I will post more pictures.
Thanks guy's
I just took a few strings a tied them to the turn buckles, I wanted to brace it very slow without stressing the limbs at all
The bow is finished. I think the tiller is OK, could be better, left limb a little stiff at the fade.
Title: Re: Snakey Osage 2020
Post by: Mad Max on December 15, 2020, 04:29:32 pm: I ran it threw the band saw for width 1-1/2" and got the thickness where I wanted it.

(https://i.imgur.com/XouSJga.jpg)
Before I started to floor tiller I glued on some linen on the back of the right limb and wrapped some serving at the first hump out of the right fade
(https://i.imgur.com/xhFcU3f.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/566fSlz.jpg)
The serving wrapped area was wanting to bend too much during floor tiller so I sanded 3 veneers .020 thick each and glued them on, Now I have that area secure with backing and belly veneers and I don't need the serving wrap anymore.
(https://i.imgur.com/ZAOMzaE.jpg)
So I got the floor tiller done
(https://i.imgur.com/KrUj2Lk.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/4vLOyse.jpg)
So I'm trying not to look at the humps and just looking at the overall bend
Title: Re: Snakey Osage 2020
Post by: Morgan on December 15, 2020, 04:45:08 pm: I offer no help, just encouragement. I could not tiller that stave. Those side profile kinks would be my undoing. I like your turnbuckle idea. First brace and first full draw off the tree is always my most puckering moments. Good luck.
Title: Re: Snakey Osage 2020
Post by: bradsmith2010 on December 15, 2020, 05:11:35 pm: nice work,, :)
Title: Re: Snakey Osage 2020
Post by: Mad Max on December 15, 2020, 05:38:20 pm: I'm just pretending I know what I am doing and it's not another snakey bow. :P
The last 3 broke or cracked so I have nothing to loose :fp
Learning how to floor tiller and a long string to me is NTN on the loops has made me get better results. ;)
Title: Re: Snakey Osage 2020
Post by: Mad Max on December 16, 2020, 08:24:14 am: Here is a sneak peek of the finished bow
(https://i.imgur.com/TWhPTjC.jpg)
Title: Re: Snakey Osage 2020--1 finished picture
Post by: Pat B on December 16, 2020, 08:46:09 am: Looks great, Mark. :OK
Title: Re: Snakey Osage 2020--1 finished picture
Post by: lonbow on December 16, 2020, 08:56:59 am: Very well done!
Title: Re: Snakey Osage 2020--1 finished picture
Post by: monoloco on December 16, 2020, 11:10:15 am: Beautiful
Title: Re: Snakey Osage 2020--1 finished picture
Post by: Will B on December 16, 2020, 11:53:55 am: Great job on that snakey stave!!
Title: Re: Snakey Osage 2020--1 finished picture
Post by: Mad Max on December 16, 2020, 05:21:06 pm: Sheep/Ram horn I cut a piece off and boiled it for a while and tied some Reflex in it so I could sand the belly flat
(https://i.imgur.com/XUDc0fo.jpg)

I glued it to the tips and with these files I shaped them.
(https://i.imgur.com/nGnFlw3.jpg)

The arrow rest is on the right so I made it for left/right handed
(https://i.imgur.com/GgFUkLz.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/OBNtNbS.jpg)
I spot drilled it and filled it with turquoise on both sides, One side is higher than the other
(https://i.imgur.com/qQ2tnVv.jpg)

Top 4" fade
(https://i.imgur.com/egxIXBz.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/mr9kzIK.jpg)
Title: Re: Snakey Osage 2020--1 finished picture
Post by: Yooper Bowyer on December 16, 2020, 06:47:45 pm: I really like those knocks. I saw something similar in a PA issue and tried it out with antler on one of my bows last summer. The effect is great.
Title: Re: Snakey Osage 2020--1 finished picture
Post by: Mad Max on December 17, 2020, 12:13:38 pm: Thanks

Belly tip
(https://i.imgur.com/PHvB6B0.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/8OwGRtj.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/IjrHu8m.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/mGha2W5.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/i5RlB1G.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/582yvxt.jpg)
71" NTN 35#@28" Bottom limb is 1" longer
4" fades each side and 4" handle =12"
Not a perfect tiller, left fade is a little stiff
(https://i.imgur.com/o35Q8we.jpg)
Title: Re: Snakey Osage 2020--####All Finished#########
Post by: Pat B on December 17, 2020, 02:52:06 pm: Excellent job, Mark. :OK
Title: Re: Snakey Osage 2020--####All Finished#########
Post by: Mad Max on December 17, 2020, 04:04:34 pm: Thanks Pat :)
Title: Re: Snakey Osage 2020--####All Finished#########
Post by: Morgan on December 17, 2020, 08:28:51 pm: Outstanding! Love that snakey wonkey stick!
Title: Re: Snakey Osage 2020--####All Finished#########
Post by: medicinewheel on December 18, 2020, 02:54:08 am: Excellent job on a difficult stave!
Title: Re: Snakey Osage 2020--####All Finished#########
Post by: bjrogg on December 18, 2020, 05:49:44 am: By gully you got it. Well done sir. That one certainly has a lot going on. Very challenging stick. I’m sure you will turn lots of heads with that one.

Bjrogg
Title: Re: Snakey Osage 2020--####All Finished#########
Post by: organic_archer on December 18, 2020, 07:21:04 am: Beautiful weapon! Love the details. Well done!
Title: Re: Snakey Osage 2020--####All Finished#########
Post by: PaSteve on December 18, 2020, 07:45:43 am: Congratulations!! That came out really nice. I like the skins but those tips are the perfect touch on that snakey bow. Beautiful bow.
Title: Re: Snakey Osage 2020--####All Finished#########
Post by: Swampman on December 18, 2020, 11:46:25 am: Very nice job on this one. It turned out great!
Title: Re: Snakey Osage 2020--####All Finished#########
Post by: gifford on December 18, 2020, 12:14:11 pm: Nice going, that was 'challenging' stave for sure.
Title: Re: Snakey Osage 2020--####All Finished#########
Post by: Mad Max on December 18, 2020, 05:29:13 pm: Thanks Guy's ;)
Title: Re: Snakey Osage 2020--####All Finished#########
Post by: M2A on December 20, 2020, 07:36:02 am: Cool bow! All around great job completing that build.
Mike
Title: Re: Snakey Osage 2020--####All Finished#########
Post by: Santanasaur on December 24, 2020, 03:05:18 pm: Dang that’s an awesome bow. Really well done, very very cool