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Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: sleek on January 22, 2021, 03:04:49 pm

Title: Question for you sinew bow types
Post by: sleek on January 22, 2021, 03:04:49 pm
I just made a sinew backed osage that stores 104.16% of its draw weight in energy. How does that compare to what you guys have? I am not experienced in sinew bow energy storage at all.
Title: Re: Question for you sinew bow types
Post by: Yooper Bowyer on January 22, 2021, 03:49:15 pm
I'm not sure I understand you.  Weight is a force, energy is force times distance.  What is your energy storage, and what is the draw weight?
Title: Re: Question for you sinew bow types
Post by: sleek on January 22, 2021, 03:54:58 pm
It draws 44 pounds and stores 45.83 foot pounds of energy.
Title: Re: Question for you sinew bow types
Post by: eastcreekarchery on January 22, 2021, 04:38:58 pm
It draws 44 pounds and stores 45.83 foot pounds of energy.
how did u calculate that foot pounds value?
Title: Re: Question for you sinew bow types
Post by: sleek on January 22, 2021, 04:48:41 pm
You measure the bows draw weight at every inch of draw. Add those measurements up and divide by 12 to get foot pounds of stored energy.
Title: Re: Question for you sinew bow types
Post by: eastcreekarchery on January 22, 2021, 05:04:48 pm
How fast does it shoot an arrow at 10 gpp? That seems like a more visceral demonstration of bow performance. Your bow may store 45.83 ft-lbs of energy with your calculation method but the design of the bow will determine how much of that energy goes into the arrow.
Title: Re: Question for you sinew bow types
Post by: sleek on January 22, 2021, 05:16:16 pm
How fast does it shoot an arrow at 10 gpp? That seems like a more visceral demonstration of bow performance. Your bow may store 45.83 ft-lbs of energy with your calculation method but the design of the bow will determine how much of that energy goes into the arrow.

That method isn't specific to me for energy storage. I learned it from others on here, and its the only way I'm familiar with, on how to do it.

Your statement about how fast the arrow shoots is correct, and I dont know, I didn't have good lighting today to measure its speed. I am however very familiar with this design and know about what to expect from the arrow. Im looking for comparison to other sinew bows to meter how good this is.Which is why I asked my original question.
Title: Re: Question for you sinew bow types
Post by: eastcreekarchery on January 22, 2021, 05:42:06 pm
Why r u interested in energy storage efficiency? Just curious bc i dont think it would be an accurate measure of bow performance but maybe im wrong n ur interested in something else related to it.
Title: Re: Question for you sinew bow types
Post by: sleek on January 22, 2021, 05:53:00 pm
Why r u interested in energy storage efficiency? Just curious bc i dont think it would be an accurate measure of bow performance but maybe im wrong n ur interested in something else related to it.

Simply because higher energy storage gives an arrow more potential energy to use. It is a balancing act between energy stored and energy delivered.
Title: Re: Question for you sinew bow types
Post by: eastcreekarchery on January 22, 2021, 06:01:24 pm
Oh i see. You’re interested in seeing how much of your potential energy is being converted to kinetic energy?
Title: Re: Question for you sinew bow types
Post by: sleek on January 22, 2021, 06:03:03 pm
Yes. Exactly that. But in this case, im just wanting other folks energy storage numbers as a loose metric to Guage my bow against.
Title: Re: Question for you sinew bow types
Post by: eastcreekarchery on January 22, 2021, 06:09:41 pm
Im curious to see how selfbows compare to sinew backed bows in this regard. Im also wondering how much reflex plays a role in this since reflexed bows tend to have a higher early draw weight which would result in a higher overall energy storage. Thats what ive read but I could be wrong.
Title: Re: Question for you sinew bow types
Post by: ssrhythm on January 22, 2021, 10:18:56 pm
You measure the bows draw weight at every inch of draw. Add those measurements up and divide by 12 to get foot pounds of stored energy.

At every inch of draw from what brace height to what draw length? 
Title: Re: Question for you sinew bow types
Post by: PatM on January 22, 2021, 10:22:49 pm
All the way from one to full draw.