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Title: HopHornbeam 66in Flat bow 55lbs@28″
Post by: Don W on April 30, 2021, 01:55:58 pm
This has been sitting in my shop for a few days waiting on my wrist to heal. It’s been killing me not to be able to shoot it. Today it felt good enough to get a couple shots in.
I posted more info here https://www.diy.timetestedtools.net/hophornbeam-66in-flat-bow-55lbs28/

Title: Re: HopHornbeam 66in Flat bow 55lbs@28″
Post by: Pat B on April 30, 2021, 04:12:48 pm
Don, a foot above and below the handle is way stiff and the tips are a bit whippy.
Title: Re: HopHornbeam 66in Flat bow 55lbs@28″
Post by: Russ on April 30, 2021, 04:23:42 pm
+1 with pat

i would tiller it down to 50# or 45# to try to get the the fades and outside fades bending

other than that, if you like it and it shoots well, its a nice bow!  ;D

hope your wrist gets better!
Title: Re: HopHornbeam 66in Flat bow 55lbs@28″
Post by: Don W on April 30, 2021, 05:02:54 pm
yep, I knew i wasn't done tillering. I wanted to shot it a few time (always seems to change on me when i do)

Thanks for the help!
Title: Re: HopHornbeam 66in Flat bow 55lbs@28″
Post by: Digital Caveman on April 30, 2021, 05:05:43 pm
HHB is easily the most elastic wood I have tried yet, it takes tempering well too.
Title: Re: HopHornbeam 66in Flat bow 55lbs@28″
Post by: Pat B on April 30, 2021, 08:49:22 pm
Don, by getting the inner limbs bending it should take some of the strain off the outer limbs.
Title: Re: HopHornbeam 66in Flat bow 55lbs@28″
Post by: Eric Krewson on May 01, 2021, 09:17:39 am
You need a tillering gizmo, it will help you out a lot. I would heat treat the heck out of that bow on a form that reflexes the tips then start the tilling process over using a gizmo.

http://www.primitivearcher.com/smf/index.php/topic,61422.0.html
Title: Re: HopHornbeam 66in Flat bow 55lbs@28″
Post by: Don W on May 01, 2021, 12:40:36 pm
I have a gizmo. I just have not learned to use it.
Title: Re: HopHornbeam 66in Flat bow 55lbs@28″
Post by: Digital Caveman on May 01, 2021, 01:15:55 pm
I though the gizmo was only good for perfectly straight wood and circular tillers.
Title: Re: HopHornbeam 66in Flat bow 55lbs@28″
Post by: Eric Krewson on May 01, 2021, 06:06:15 pm
It is not much good on limbs that have a lot of roller coaster in them, it works on everything else.
Title: Re: HopHornbeam 66in Flat bow 55lbs@28″
Post by: Eric Krewson on May 01, 2021, 06:07:13 pm
The instructions for its use are in the how to link I posted.
Title: Re: HopHornbeam 66in Flat bow 55lbs@28″
Post by: Don W on May 02, 2021, 06:46:41 pm
I worked on the dade and got it down to 50#. I really like the way it shoots. It's probably not perfect but I wrapped the handle and shot probably 59-69 arrows through it.
Title: Re: HopHornbeam 66in Flat bow 55lbs@28″
Post by: bradsmith2010 on May 02, 2021, 07:55:20 pm
mine are never perfect ,, but I love shooting them,, :)
Title: Re: HopHornbeam 66in Flat bow 55lbs@28″
Post by: bownarra on May 03, 2021, 02:23:29 am
Always aim for perfection....or else you won't be shooting them for long ;)
Yes get those inner/mid limbs moving some. Gizmos aren't much use on staves, fine for lam bows but you do need something FLAT for them to work. If you only ever made laminated pyramid bows they would be the best tillering guide out there :)
Title: Re: HopHornbeam 66in Flat bow 55lbs@28″
Post by: Russ on May 03, 2021, 04:10:06 pm
I agree with bownarra. the only advise i would add to this is that i took this advise too literally. I beat myself up about every little thing and it really stunted my bow making growth. I would say, aim for perfection, but know when something is good enough and when its time to move onto the next one.

also, gizmos are great for beginners. I use mine a lot, mostly for initial tiller and as a straight edge. The only thing about gizmos is that they only guide you to a perfectly circular tiller, which is not normally a perfectly balanced tiller. so, for rhyming sake, "A gizmo is a tool, not the rule"    ;D ;D
Title: Re: HopHornbeam 66in Flat bow 55lbs@28″
Post by: bradsmith2010 on May 03, 2021, 04:42:15 pm
   make the best bow you can,, and try to learn ,, improvement will be different with everyone,,,,trying to make the perfect bow is subjective,, just   like trying to make the perfect painting,, or perfect music composition,, I have made bows that won state natiional and world shoots,, were they perfect,, no,, everyone has different goals in bow making and thats great,,enjoy   (-S
Title: Re: HopHornbeam 66in Flat bow 55lbs@28″
Post by: Don W on May 04, 2021, 12:12:58 pm
After some work, it down to 50# and a joy to shot.
Title: Re: HopHornbeam 66in Flat bow 55lbs@28″
Post by: Russ on May 04, 2021, 12:24:59 pm
That’s looking a lot better!
Title: Re: HopHornbeam 66in Flat bow 55lbs@28″
Post by: lebhuntfish on May 04, 2021, 07:23:16 pm
Don, a foot above and below the handle is way stiff and the tips are a bit whippy.

Spot on Pat!

Patrick
Title: Re: HopHornbeam 66in Flat bow 55lbs@28″
Post by: lebhuntfish on May 04, 2021, 07:26:13 pm
If you flip the tips an inch or two and took a little more off the fades that would fix the problem. Also a good heat treat and with previous mentioned fixes it would be a screamer!

Patrick
Title: Re: HopHornbeam 66in Flat bow 55lbs@28″
Post by: druid on May 05, 2021, 03:29:22 am
Not working enough in inner half of the limbs. But you got good advices from guys so I am sure you can fix it if you want.