Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: Kidder on November 15, 2021, 01:51:43 am
-
Maybe it’s a silly question. Maybe it’s a question without an answer. Maybe it’s dependent upon the eyes of the maker. But is perfection in wood bow making possible? Is it possible to have a perfect tiller? Or is every tiller capable of being improved upon even if it’s ever so slightly. Seems like the more experience I get the more I see the imperfections, chase them, and realize it’s a never ending endeavor.
-
Good question...it's about satisying yourself and setting your own challenge.
A case in point:- I was given a gorgeous Yew stave with marvelous undulations, it had been split from the log and had tear outs and drying cracks. It was a challenge but made a stunning bow. Because it was so good looking, I went above and beyond what I'd normally consider a good standard and wanted to make it a masterpice.
It exploded after a few hundred shots.
So, it's easy to make a "perfect" bow with premium quality materials and a safe design... but would it be worth a second glance?
Conversely it's easy to go overboard with decoration and end up with something that wouldn't look out of place in a tourist's trinket emporium.
Just gotta do your own thing... you don't have to justify it to anyone!
Del
-
tryin' to make the perfect bow is like tryin' to count to infinity twice...maybe chuck norris can do that, not us ;) still it's a nice goal...
-
As the saying goes"Perfection is the enemy of good". As a perfectionist myself, its something that took a long time for me to learn.
After a certain point you risk making things worse, pushing things too far, or coming in underweight. You also have to learn what is the best that can be expected, and reasonably ascertain how close you really are to this goal.
All you can ask of yourself is the best you can do at your current level of experience. Don't get ahead of yourself. Keep an open mind and learn from mistakes.
-
Prefect is very possible. It's not arrogant to think such.
-
Kidder, What a can of worms you have opened up. (lol) (-P
-
You must first define perfection before asking if you can attain it.
-
Jim Hamm said he never made the perfect bow. This , or that could have been better.
-
Let me throw my worm into this can... my goal in building "primitive" bows and arrows was to be as simple as possible and still be effective. Perfection never came to mind. You can look at any of my bows or arrows and there are plenty of imperfections from tool marks to the tiller being slightly off or arrows that look like snakes. I understand folks striving for perfection but when using natural materials like tree staves and hardwood shoots for arrows perfection is in nature itself and not necessarily the end result of our creations. (--) )-w(
-
Shakers built the most beautiful furniture...simple but beautiful.
They always intentionally built a little imperfection.
Good luck with your quest.
Jawge
-
I’m a perfectionist. When I say it’s perfect, it’s perfect. No matter how many imperfections it has.
Bjrogg
-
A good definition of perfection I heard was something like 'perfect is when nothing can be taken away or added without detracting from the item'.
Of course we are all different and therefore our personal definition of 'perfection' is by default different from somebody else........
-
Prefect is very possible. It's not arrogant to think such.
Except for spelling, in your case! LOL!!!
(Sorry, just had to take a poke atcha.)
-
I'd say don't take too much time perfecting a bow, take time perfecting your skills, the bows will follow.
-
There are plenty of great answers already. But, as to your specific question, I personally could not say as to whether or not a primitive bow can attain perfect tiller. I know there are some dern AMAZING bowyers here on PA...and most if not all of their tiller work looks pretty much perfect to me.
I also know that I certainly have never attained a perfect tiller. I have, however, achieved a tiller that is definitely good enough on a handful of bows. They feel balanced and smooth...balanced and smooth enough, that is. And when I draw these bows in a mirror their tillers look darn good.
But not perfect.
Again, though, good enough. But I know I am not satisfied with good enough myself. Because every time I start a new bow I am striving to make its tiller better than that of my previous bows.
-
I have never made a perfect bow because I set my standards of perfection too high. I have never cut a perfect tree or split out a perfect stave either.
If I wanted perfection I would be gluing up glass lam bows on a CNC machined form instead of hacking bow staves out of a downed tree.
I am a little rough around the edges, perhaps that is why I am drawn to similar bow making materials that are a little rough around the edges as well.
-
Well I’ll throw my .02¢ in. I don’t think it is possible to achieve true perfection in anything. I think when you throw a widely varying material such as wood in the mix it would complicate it further. I think one would come closer to achieving perfection in tiller with board bows than stave bows simply because staves are varying degrees of imperfect by nature and can fool the eye and tillering aids such as a gizmo. I have ruined several bows chasing imperfections, bows that would likely have been serviceable tools for years. With a good stave minor imperfections can be ok, moderate to major imperfections in tiller will cause a failure in one way or another.
-
Each bow's tiller perfectly reveals us.
-
what would you do after a perfect bow ?
-
what would you do after a perfect bow ?
A perfect arrow?
Bjrogg
-
what would you do after a perfect bow ?
Build a more perfect bow…
-
I'm reminded of the publisher who strove to bring out a book with absolutely no errors in spelling or sentence structure and no dropped commas or periods etc.
The book was printed and the first copy delivered to him. First thing he saw was the title of the book was mispelled.
-
I think there are two ways to look at it, you have the kind of perfection that only God can do and then you have the meeting your goals perfection. For me perfection would be 1/2" set, 185 fps, durable, and reasonably well finished. If I can stay 90% of that range I am a happy camper.
-
The other thing that I keep thinking is that I can probably look at someone else’s bow and see it as perfect, but I bet the bowyer that made it can see all sorts of imperfections the rest of us can’t. It’s like seeing a hinge that isn’t really visible because it was earlier in the tillering stage before you chased it away. It’s still an imperfection, just you’re the only one that can see it.
-
its different for everyone,, for me if I make a perfect shot with a bow,, target or game,, on that day at that time, clearly the tiller is perfect..