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Title: Good old White Ash - D/R - 62 1/2" ntn - 49# @ 28"
Post by: simk on March 20, 2022, 03:27:58 pm
Hello

I still have some of this totally straight white ash. It's got thick rings and plenty latewood. Only thing to dislike was some setback; also its super tough - you won't get anywhere with your drawknife. Plan once again was to make the perfect bow  - lol - of course I once again didn't succed  ;D I still like it. Ash really loves the heat treatment. Bow holds 2 1/2" reflex after shooting, returnig to 3 1/2" after resting. Stain is iron chloride and physical weight of the finished bow is 505 gramms.

Cheers 
Title: Re: Good old White Ash - D/R - 62 1/2" ntn - 49# @ 28"
Post by: simk on March 20, 2022, 03:28:54 pm
more
Title: Re: Good old White Ash - D/R - 62 1/2" ntn - 49# @ 28"
Post by: simk on March 20, 2022, 03:30:05 pm
some
Title: Re: Good old White Ash - D/R - 62 1/2" ntn - 49# @ 28"
Post by: simk on March 20, 2022, 03:32:40 pm
thanx for watching
Title: Re: Good old White Ash - D/R - 62 1/2" ntn - 49# @ 28"
Post by: Badger on March 20, 2022, 05:05:38 pm
  Beautiful job on that, I bet it would make a good flight bow.
Title: Re: Good old White Ash - D/R - 62 1/2" ntn - 49# @ 28"
Post by: bjrogg on March 20, 2022, 09:11:18 pm
That’s a nice ash bow Simk. Like everything about it
Bjrogg
Title: Re: Good old White Ash - D/R - 62 1/2" ntn - 49# @ 28"
Post by: superdav95 on March 20, 2022, 09:21:41 pm
Wow. What’s gorgeous piece of ash!  Lol.  Seriously nice bow.  Nice cures. Nice tiller.  Love it all!   

Curious though.  This iron chloride stain… would it be the same stuff I make to etch my blade perhaps???  Ferric chloride?
Title: Re: Good old White Ash - D/R - 62 1/2" ntn - 49# @ 28"
Post by: BowEd on March 21, 2022, 02:37:08 am
Sweet looking bow bud.
Our ash here has been devastated by that ash bore.I still keep a bunch of really straight grained backings around of it though.
Title: Re: Good old White Ash - D/R - 62 1/2" ntn - 49# @ 28"
Post by: bownarra on March 21, 2022, 02:45:51 am
That is a well executed recurve :)
Title: Re: Good old White Ash - D/R - 62 1/2" ntn - 49# @ 28"
Post by: bambule on March 21, 2022, 10:28:50 am
Well… that‘s how you have to do it!
Congrats, that is really a very nice Recurve.
It‘s almost a perfect bow  ;D

Greetz
Cord
Title: Re: Good old White Ash - D/R - 62 1/2" ntn - 49# @ 28"
Post by: PaSteve on March 21, 2022, 11:22:45 am
Excellent bow in every way. Like BowEd stated the ash bore has destroyed most of the ash in my area. Years ago ash was plentiful...not anymore.
      Your bows are always very well made and this one is no exception.
Title: Re: Good old White Ash - D/R - 62 1/2" ntn - 49# @ 28"
Post by: simk on March 21, 2022, 04:20:47 pm
thank you for the kind words  :D
Badger: I will maybe chrono it when I find the motivation. It especially will be intersting to see how my new string material does; bought myself some D97 and made a 10 strand string - this a rope man  ;D Curious how much speed gets lost in comparison to my usual 8 strands of BCY452x
Superdav: Nut sure if I used the correct term for the stain. lets just call it vinegar-steelwool-stain, you know what I mean  ;)
cheers
Title: Re: Good old White Ash - D/R - 62 1/2" ntn - 49# @ 28"
Post by: mmattockx on March 21, 2022, 05:19:07 pm
Beautiful bow with a superb tiller, as per usual for your work.

How wide are the limbs where the static tips start to curve off straight?


Mark
Title: Re: Good old White Ash - D/R - 62 1/2" ntn - 49# @ 28"
Post by: GlisGlis on March 22, 2022, 05:06:25 am
Let's see in this way.
If you could achieve perfection every time you'll end with a bunch of bows perfectly equal
The little imperfections make it unique. That's better than perfect in my eye  :OK
Title: Re: Good old White Ash - D/R - 62 1/2" ntn - 49# @ 28"
Post by: Allyn T on March 22, 2022, 09:00:52 am


Curious though.  This iron chloride stain… would it be the same stuff I make to etch my blade perhaps???  Ferric chloride?

Iron acetate
Title: Re: Good old White Ash - D/R - 62 1/2" ntn - 49# @ 28"
Post by: WhistlingBadger on March 22, 2022, 03:17:07 pm
That's a beauty!  I've been wanting to build a bow with a very similar design, but I'm told that a recurve with narrow tips like that is going to give you stability problems.  Do you find that to be true, and if so how to you get around it??
Title: Re: Good old White Ash - D/R - 62 1/2" ntn - 49# @ 28"
Post by: Stixnstones on March 22, 2022, 04:36:24 pm
Fine lookin bow all around, nice work
Title: Re: Good old White Ash - D/R - 62 1/2" ntn - 49# @ 28"
Post by: rps3 on March 23, 2022, 12:09:46 pm
Looking good. I echo what BowEd said about our ash being devastated. I still have about 8-10 bows worth of ash stave's around and will spread them out so they last a few years.
Title: Re: Good old White Ash - D/R - 62 1/2" ntn - 49# @ 28"
Post by: diliviu on March 23, 2022, 04:17:11 pm
Gorgeous recurve in every way!
Title: Re: Good old White Ash - D/R - 62 1/2" ntn - 49# @ 28"
Post by: simk on March 23, 2022, 04:38:19 pm
thank you all  :D
BowEd: take use of these backings then some time - they work great - I did somewhere 10-20 bows with these backings while none fail, a few far from being perfect. I feel they are some a lot softer and stretchier than boo, make a smooth draw and do not overpower a belly. Would like to know how far they can be really pushed...will have to sacrifice a bow maybe for this test.
Glisglis: I know perfection can't be achieved; but thinking about is is a good motivation. making a bow for me always is like a daydream about the perfect bow; when I wake up there's a bow...usually better than the last one but...not perfect  :)
rps3: our ash is actually devasteted by a specific fungus, not yet sure if they are all gonna die - but maybe should fill up my reserves - they are cutting the sick trees everywhere right now...their outer rings are all thin and poor before the sound wood starts... :) and after all the elms went with their borer I'm just glad we still have a good amount of yew around here. yesterday was yew spotting... next days will cut some - hard exciting workout - they like them shady gullys and they are like easter eggs...how are the rings?...how thick the sap...?...you never know before  :) 

ps Mark: limbs are exactly 1" where the red wrapping is...
ps whistling badger: I don't think slim recurves could bring you in trouble but slim working limbs towrads the outers; they of course  tend to twist easier. 1" at the base of the tips like this one has usually should't be a problem on a hunting weight bow. it really gets tricky with 3/4". basically its only a matter of tip alignement...slim limbs/long recurves/higher drawweight makes it more tricky and usually needs more tweaking.
cheers
Title: Re: Good old White Ash - D/R - 62 1/2" ntn - 49# @ 28"
Post by: Rowan Bows on March 23, 2022, 06:38:58 pm
Nice bow Simk, thats something different with the stain job. Handle colors also contrast very good to that and I like the details with the leatherwork! I totally agree with Heat treating ash she really likes it.
Ive tuned a 10 year old bow from one of my best friends whos very experienced in competitions, Matthias Gering, he was once german campion with this bow. It had once 60lbs now ~50# and set like a fishing rod catching a catfish. I filled compression cracks and gave it a reflex HT with linseed oil - 60lbs still after 500 arrows and of course much lighter. ash likes it. But just like you did here I like to HT ash while building. I do it when Im on brace heigh
Title: Re: Good old White Ash - D/R - 62 1/2" ntn - 49# @ 28"
Post by: superdav95 on March 26, 2022, 07:03:16 pm


Curious though.  This iron chloride stain… would it be the same stuff I make to etch my blade perhaps???  Ferric chloride?

Iron acetate

Thanks Allyn.  Is it simple to make?  Just vinegar and steel wool? 
Title: Re: Good old White Ash - D/R - 62 1/2" ntn - 49# @ 28"
Post by: Will B on March 26, 2022, 08:12:04 pm
Beautiful recurve!  Really nice bend on that one. Great job!