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Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: organic_archer on October 16, 2023, 11:53:46 pm

Title: 74# Hackberry Longbow w/ rounded belly (Deer Added)
Post by: organic_archer on October 16, 2023, 11:53:46 pm
I saw an old post from the archives with an argument about whether or not hackberry could make a longbow/warbow with a D cross-section. Being a big fan of hackberry, I had to see for myself…

It has a minor dogleg in the top limb, was heat treated as a bow blank, took approx 1.25" set even with deer tallow as the sealer, has no compression fractures, and shoots great! This is my favorite bow at the moment. Kept it as simple as possible — just a stick and a string.

Even though my draw length is only a hair over 26", I'd eventually like to make another one that's 72-74" long and mid 60's in weight, just for fun.

Hackberry - 74# at 26" draw
Heavily rounded belly.
Overall length 68" (66" ntn)
1.5" wide for the center 2 feet
straight taper to 0.5" tips
1.25" thick at handle
straight thickness taper to 0.5" tips
Wrapped jute string nocks

(https://i.imgur.com/zyx5qmi.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/hdcSjSM.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/iFdVF6R.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/tvS8GyF.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/AuZFOqA.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/pSr3JNa.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Hk6kziD.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/fMdwZXJ.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/N1QqT3G.jpg)
Title: Re: Hackberry longbow with rounded belly - 74# at 26" draw
Post by: superdav95 on October 17, 2023, 12:16:11 am
Looks dang good.  I like it a lot.  I like the rustic look and finish too.  Bend looks great.  Nicely done.   
Title: Re: Hackberry longbow with rounded belly - 74# at 26" draw
Post by: Del the cat on October 17, 2023, 07:48:55 am
Nice, got an English longbow look to it :)
Del
Title: Re: Hackberry longbow with rounded belly - 74# at 26" draw
Post by: organic_archer on October 17, 2023, 11:42:27 am
Thank you, Dave!

Del - I was going for the English longbow look, but it’s 5-6 inches short of “archer tall” and I’m not sure it meets the 5/8 rule. It gains 3# per inch of draw so it would be warbow-lite weights at 30+ inches though! 86 pounds-ish.
Title: Re: Hackberry longbow with rounded belly - 74# at 26" draw
Post by: GlisGlis on October 17, 2023, 12:30:01 pm
Great bow. still have to make an hackberry bow. I have a stave waiting for 10 years for a drawknife to find it.
How do you make knocks? I like them alot. Do you soak jute in loctite?
Title: Re: Hackberry longbow with rounded belly - 74# at 26" draw
Post by: Mo_coon-catcher on October 17, 2023, 01:51:52 pm
Looks great!

I’ve also found that Hackberry does just fine in that profile as well. I’ve done a few like it but not near that weight. Around 40# is as high as I’ve gone and have had no issues. Similar amount of set as you got and feels good in the hand.

Kyle
Title: Re: Hackberry longbow with rounded belly - 74# at 26" draw
Post by: Aksel on October 17, 2023, 02:02:36 pm
Nice bow, love it, also the nocks. Hackberry seems to be a very good bow wood.

If you wanted to you could probably make the nocks and last 4-6 inches quite a bit narrower and thinner. I do BUT I don´t make this heavy bows so hand shock is maybe less of an issue.


How does it shoot?
Title: Re: Hackberry longbow with rounded belly - 74# at 26" draw
Post by: organic_archer on October 17, 2023, 03:48:48 pm
Glis - the nocks are wraps of jute, two layers deep, soaked in superglue. For this design I use a looped slip knot for the top limb and a timber hitch on the bottom, so it takes very little material to stop the string from sliding. I’ve found this to be a durable design for lighter woods like hackberry and yew. No overlays, and no worries of splitting at the nock.

Askel - exaggerated camera angles make the tips look big but they’re quite petite for a 74# hackberry bow. A touch less than 1/2” wide and 1/2” thick. It’s probably around 5/8” wide 4” down from the nocks. Hand shock is rarely an issue with hackberry unless it’s poorly tillered or severely overbuilt. It’s a strong, light wood that makes for quick, smooth bows. Similar to elm in many ways.
Title: Re: Hackberry longbow with rounded belly - 74# at 26" draw
Post by: organic_archer on October 17, 2023, 04:37:59 pm
More pictures of tips and nocks:

(https://i.imgur.com/Uyy35Xl.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/4vPPHEg.jpg)
Title: Re: Hackberry longbow with rounded belly - 74# at 26" draw
Post by: Aksel on October 18, 2023, 06:47:50 am
cool. Camera angles can be deceiving.
Title: Re: Hackberry longbow with rounded belly - 74# at 26" draw
Post by: Hamish on October 18, 2023, 07:10:32 pm
Nice bow. I'm really liking these whitewood longbows.  Is that the normal look for hackberry, ie prominent grey grain? It looks really cool and artistic.
Title: Re: Hackberry longbow with rounded belly - 74# at 26" draw
Post by: Pappy on October 19, 2023, 09:32:22 am
Simple and effective. Nice work. :)
 Pappy
Title: Re: Hackberry longbow with rounded belly - 74# at 26" draw
Post by: organic_archer on October 20, 2023, 11:24:40 pm
Hamish, this one’s stained with MinWax Dark Walnut. Hackberry is usually as white as ivory and too flashy for the woods. It needs to be darkened up for hunting. It takes various stains really well and has interesting and unique patterns in it. Sometimes it stains darker, sometimes grey and streaky, sometimes gets leopard spots.
Title: Re: Hackberry longbow with rounded belly - 74# at 26" draw
Post by: Hamish on October 21, 2023, 06:22:24 am
looks really cool.
Title: Re: Hackberry longbow with rounded belly - 74# at 26" draw
Post by: M2A on October 24, 2023, 07:04:05 am
Real Nice! Like everything about the bow. 
Mike
Title: Re: 74# Hackberry Longbow w/ rounded belly (Deer Added)
Post by: organic_archer on October 27, 2023, 12:45:46 pm
The round-belly hackberry longbow did just fine! Got this doe from the ground. I was kneeling next to a huge fallen oak tree with good cover, and she came by at 15 yards an hour before dark. She was walking slowly and the arrow struck a hair farther back than the ideal, but hit her liver and worked out. Found her 100 yards from the spot.

(https://i.imgur.com/iGL2fxk.jpg)
Title: Re: 74# Hackberry Longbow w/ rounded belly (Deer Added)
Post by: TimBo on October 27, 2023, 03:13:30 pm
Nice - congrats!
Title: Re: 74# Hackberry Longbow w/ rounded belly (Deer Added)
Post by: superdav95 on October 27, 2023, 05:42:07 pm
Very cool. Well done.  I’m hoping to do the same soon!   
Title: Re: 74# Hackberry Longbow w/ rounded belly (Deer Added)
Post by: Hamish on October 27, 2023, 06:38:41 pm
That's what it's all about!
Title: Re: 74# Hackberry Longbow w/ rounded belly (Deer Added)
Post by: Will B on October 27, 2023, 07:32:01 pm
Awesome job!  Beautiful bow. I love the grain in hackberry. Congrats!
Title: Re: 74# Hackberry Longbow w/ rounded belly (Deer Added)
Post by: Piddler on October 30, 2023, 08:58:37 pm
I believe Hamish has the correct comment. Congrats.
Piddler
Title: Re: 74# Hackberry Longbow w/ rounded belly (Deer Added)
Post by: GlisGlis on October 31, 2023, 05:51:26 am
the icing on the cake! congratulations !!  (SH)
Title: Re: 74# Hackberry Longbow w/ rounded belly (Deer Added)
Post by: M2A on October 31, 2023, 08:10:04 am
Nice!! Congrats!
Title: Re: 74# Hackberry Longbow w/ rounded belly (Deer Added)
Post by: JW_Halverson on October 31, 2023, 04:04:35 pm
No complaints from us, but that doe might have one or two!
Title: Re: 74# Hackberry Longbow w/ rounded belly (Deer Added)
Post by: bjrogg on November 05, 2023, 04:11:25 pm
Congratulations. That’s an awesome feeling for sure.

Bjrogg
Title: Re: 74# Hackberry Longbow w/ rounded belly (Deer Added)
Post by: Hrothgar on November 07, 2023, 08:27:21 am
Nice bow, nice kill!