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Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: ThimoS on August 03, 2008, 08:15:18 am

Title: A new elm project
Post by: ThimoS on August 03, 2008, 08:15:18 am

I've been working on this stave bit by bit this past week and setting it in the sun while I'm at work. I had done a redoak board bow in the same shape a few weeks ago and like the preformance so well I decided to try it with  elm


(http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c39/thimosabv/hacker-4.jpg)





(http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c39/thimosabv/BigE-1.jpg)

(http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c39/thimosabv/BigE-2.jpg)

(http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c39/thimosabv/BigE-3.jpg)



I should have it floor tillered and heat-treated soon.

Title: Re: A new elm project
Post by: orcbow on August 03, 2008, 08:30:47 am

Wow, Thimo you  really  keep busy with bowmaking. It's inspiring. My 13 month old (and my 10 year old) keep my spare time way down...

Title: Re: A new elm project
Post by: ThimoS on August 03, 2008, 08:42:50 am

Thanks.

I got a five year-old and a 13 year-old. LOL

Got lots of pics of the little one making bows too. He's been a partner since he was around 3.

Title: Re: A new elm project
Post by: orcbow on August 03, 2008, 08:57:48 am

Just yesterday I had the little one sitting on the shaving horse in front of me, with his hands and mine on the spokeshave. It's never too early to learn!

Title: Re: A new elm project
Post by: ThimoS on August 03, 2008, 09:01:53 am

Good going!

Title: Re: A new elm project
Post by: ThimoS on August 03, 2008, 09:03:39 am

(http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c39/thimosabv/thimos-elf-2.jpg)

Title: Re: A new elm project
Post by: DanaM on August 03, 2008, 01:29:35 pm

Looks like a paddle bow design with narrowed tip. How do they shoot?

Title: Re: A new elm project
Post by: Dane on August 03, 2008, 01:50:48 pm

I remember the drawknife picture from a while back. Great looking boy. And the bows are beauties...the lines (curves) are very elegent. I love elm too.

Dane

Title: Re: A new elm project
Post by: ThimoS on August 03, 2008, 09:27:14 pm

Thanks.

They shoot fantastic.

Here it is this morning at the beginning of heat-treating.

(http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c39/thimosabv/BE-2.jpg)

I keep the handle and outer limbs thicker and will work them down very gradually over the next several days.


(http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c39/thimosabv/BE-1.jpg)

Title: Re: A new elm project
Post by: ThimoS on August 04, 2008, 12:37:20 am

Here is a link to where this design originates. Well that and the Andaman bow and the Holmegaard. Still this is the principles of those designs taken to there logical conclusions. The thread has Dan Perry and Tim Baker among many others in the field.

http://paleoplanet69529.yuku.com/topic/6277?page=2



Here is where I end tonight on this bow. It is not yet ready for stringing. Just taking it nice and slow with scrapers and sandpaper.


(http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c39/thimosabv/BellEE-1.jpg)


(http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c39/thimosabv/BellyE-1.jpg)


(http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c39/thimosabv/backE-1.jpg)

Title: Re: A new elm project
Post by: ThimoS on August 04, 2008, 01:03:46 am

A bit better perspective.

(http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c39/thimosabv/Baa-1.jpg)


(http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c39/thimosabv/Baa-2.jpg)

Title: Re: A new elm project
Post by: ThimoS on August 04, 2008, 01:32:05 am

This bow will get a moderate heat-treating a few more times as I sand the belly, handle and tips into tiller. I do this often on green wood.

Title: Re: A new elm project
Post by: George Tsoukalas on August 04, 2008, 10:36:10 am

Looks good, Thimo. Nice to see you young son learning to make bows. :) Jawge

Title: Re: A new elm project
Post by: Justin Snyder on August 04, 2008, 10:43:00 am

Looking great Thimo.  I love to mix and match the different styles of bows to see what kind of performance you get.  It seems to me that certain characteristics contribute to the performance more than others and you can take each of these from different bows and combine them to get an even better bow. 

I love that picture of your boy.  You should have an 8X10 version of it hanging in the shop. I'm sure you all remember my boy Cody's buildalong.  ;D This is a great way to build a relationship that will get you through the hard times. Justin

Title: Re: A new elm project
Post by: ThimoS on August 04, 2008, 05:28:16 pm

Thanks guys.

Title: Re: A new elm project
Post by: Kegan on August 04, 2008, 05:58:11 pm

That's one great looking bow there, I'm very interested in seeing the finished product, but I really like your pace :). Keep it slow and steady, and it won't blow in your face ;D!

That's how it goes right ???? ;)

Title: Re: A new elm project
Post by: D. Tiller on August 04, 2008, 07:31:20 pm

Thimo, how short can you make those bows? I was thinking you just widden it a bit more while reducing the length. Think this would work?

Title: Re: A new elm project
Post by: ThimoS on August 04, 2008, 10:15:44 pm

Here is a link to where this design originates. Well that and the Andaman bow and the Holmegaard. Still this is the principles of those designs taken to there logical conclusions. The thread has Dan Perry and Tim Baker among many others in the field.

http://paleoplanet69529.yuku.com/topic/6277?page=2

Title: Re: A new elm project
Post by: NOMADIC PIRATE on August 05, 2008, 06:48:21 am

HOLY COW Thimo, that's quite a thread.........

Title: Re: A new elm project
Post by: ThimoS on August 05, 2008, 06:54:47 am

Manny I know, trust me. It's taken me awhile just to read it, but was well worth the time.

D, I've made them as short as 55" and was very pleased.

Title: Re: A new elm project
Post by: ThimoS on August 05, 2008, 07:30:41 am

Here it is now after working the handle and tips last night. It's the white one. LOL but it's getting ready to get brown again.


(http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c39/thimosabv/mold-1.jpg)

Title: Re: A new elm project
Post by: ThimoS on August 05, 2008, 06:26:03 pm

Recurve time.

(http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c39/thimosabv/tweek-1.jpg)


(http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c39/thimosabv/tweek-2.jpg)

Title: Re: A new elm project
Post by: ThimoS on August 05, 2008, 07:08:00 pm

got the other tip to match. Yeah!!!!

Title: Re: A new elm project
Post by: knightd on August 05, 2008, 07:19:52 pm

Looking good!!!! How wide is the limbs??

 David

Title: Re: A new elm project
Post by: DanaM on August 05, 2008, 07:59:35 pm

Love the recurve form Thimo :)

Title: Re: A new elm project
Post by: D. Tiller on August 05, 2008, 08:01:25 pm

Gots to make me one!!!

David T

Title: Re: A new elm project
Post by: ThimoS on August 05, 2008, 09:03:00 pm

Thanks all!!!

Widest is 2.5"

Here it is now with my favorite model. Only sandpaper from this point on.

(http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c39/thimosabv/door-1.jpg)


(http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c39/thimosabv/door-2.jpg)

Title: Re: A new elm project
Post by: ThimoS on August 05, 2008, 10:22:35 pm

Thanks.

Title: Re: A new elm project
Post by: ThimoS on August 05, 2008, 10:49:44 pm

Yeee of little faith.


You wish to see this strung and drawn 1st?

Oh you just wait.

Your minds will be BLOWN!

Title: Re: A new elm project
Post by: Pappy on August 06, 2008, 08:30:32 am

Comming along nicely,can't wait to see it finished. :)
   Pappy

Title: Re: A new elm project
Post by: ThimoS on August 06, 2008, 08:24:36 pm

Thanks Pappy. It's all I can do to stop myself from stringing it.

Title: Re: A new elm project
Post by: ThimoS on August 07, 2008, 05:45:03 am

Just taking a peek, using the longstring. I see what needs to be corrected.

(http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c39/thimosabv/LS-1.jpg)

Title: Re: A new elm project
Post by: bootboy on August 07, 2008, 12:37:44 pm

Oh Dude!! thats  Intense!

Title: Re: A new elm project
Post by: ThimoS on August 07, 2008, 04:27:49 pm

Thanks a million Bootboy!

I really don't think the folks here nor on another site truly appreciate what this bow is gonna become. But I press on.

Title: Re: A new elm project
Post by: Rich Saffold on August 07, 2008, 06:42:16 pm

Bowyer pull-ups ;) ;D

Title: Re: A new elm project
Post by: grantmac on August 07, 2008, 07:14:21 pm

Primitive class broadhead flightbow? Going for 80-100 lbs on this one?
        Cheers,
               Grant

Title: Re: A new elm project
Post by: D. Tiller on August 07, 2008, 08:28:02 pm

Dang that hurts just looking at the picture! How about calling that on "The Herniator!"

Title: Re: A new elm project
Post by: ThimoS on August 08, 2008, 07:30:36 am

Grant you got it.

Thanks.

Title: Re: A new elm project
Post by: Dane on August 08, 2008, 09:03:34 am

Thimo, I think I just "got" what is going on with this bow - an "ah-ha" moment, so to speak.

Dane

Title: Re: A new elm project
Post by: grantmac on August 08, 2008, 02:07:18 pm

Quote from: ThimoS on August 08, 2008, 07:30:36 am

Grant you got it.

Thanks.

Why thank you! I figured it wouldn't be long before you started cooking-up something of that variety.
How is the stability with those thin recurved tips? I find stability is always where I fail with the most extreme shapes.
      Cheers,
             Grant

Title: Re: A new elm project
Post by: ThimoS on August 08, 2008, 06:43:33 pm

So far stability is spot on.

I've never had such a great feeling about a potential bow before.

Title: Re: A new elm project
Post by: Justin Snyder on August 08, 2008, 08:15:00 pm

Thimo, this is great.  Is it possible to see a couple of pictures of the tips without the clamp?  Justin

Title: Re: A new elm project
Post by: ThimoS on August 08, 2008, 10:01:17 pm

There will be many pics to come of every angle.

Title: Re: A new elm project
Post by: ThimoS on August 09, 2008, 12:17:31 pm

Well it's calling out to be braced so I put the handle on.

(http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c39/thimosabv/handll-1.jpg)


(http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c39/thimosabv/Handlll-2.jpg)


(http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c39/thimosabv/Handlll-3.jpg)

Title: Re: A new elm project
Post by: longfletch on August 09, 2008, 02:42:04 pm

sweet bow, are you going to leave the wrap nocks? i think they look good

Title: Re: A new elm project
Post by: ThimoS on August 09, 2008, 06:48:49 pm

Yes wrapped-nocks are staying.

(http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c39/thimosabv/halfbrac-1.jpg)

(http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c39/thimosabv/tree-1.jpg)

Title: Re: A new elm project
Post by: ThimoS on August 09, 2008, 07:07:42 pm

The sun and self-timer are not cooperating for drawn pics.

(http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c39/thimosabv/full-brac-2.jpg)

(http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c39/thimosabv/full-brac-1.jpg)

Title: Re: A new elm project
Post by: ThimoS on August 09, 2008, 07:09:22 pm

The wood is soooo white I'm thinking of some sort of art-work.

Title: Re: A new elm project
Post by: ThimoS on August 09, 2008, 09:49:53 pm

I'm not happy with this drawn pic. (Self-timer + 100# draw) but perhaps it gives an idea of this bows coming potential.

(http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c39/thimosabv/pull-1.jpg)


Here it it now unbraced.

(http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c39/thimosabv/unbraced-2.jpg)


(http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c39/thimosabv/unbraced-1.jpg)


Grilling steaks and rubbing in linsead-oil.

Title: Re: A new elm project
Post by: George Tsoukalas on August 09, 2008, 10:08:34 pm

That really came out nice. Excellent job. Jawge

Title: Re: A new elm project
Post by: ThimoS on August 09, 2008, 10:48:30 pm

Thanks a million Jawge! It's still a work in progress. I see the upper limb needing some light scrapeing still.

Title: Re: A new elm project
Post by: Adam Keiper on August 10, 2008, 10:08:03 am

Nice Thimo!  It wasn't until I saw that first tiller photo until I realized how massive that bow is.  You could take it from Andaman Island to hunt the stone heads on Easter Island!   ;D

Title: Re: A new elm project
Post by: ThimoS on August 10, 2008, 11:01:54 am

Thanks Adam!

Well thanks to your Madoc bow, I've been out in the workshop since 4:30 working on some tribal decor.

Title: Re: A new elm project
Post by: Adam Keiper on August 10, 2008, 11:13:06 am

 ;D  LOL!   :D

Title: Re: A new elm project
Post by: ThimoS on August 10, 2008, 11:56:44 am

(http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c39/thimosabv/decor-1.jpg)

Title: Re: A new elm project
Post by: Adam Keiper on August 10, 2008, 12:19:22 pm

Holy crap, brother, you went to town!  Looks great!

Title: Re: A new elm project
Post by: orcbow on August 10, 2008, 12:45:47 pm

Thimo-
That is one awesome looking bow! Great job on the decoration. Have you shot it yet?

Title: Re: A new elm project
Post by: jamie on August 10, 2008, 03:54:46 pm

damn dude!! very cool

Title: Re: A new elm project
Post by: Kegan on August 10, 2008, 04:07:06 pm

Now THAT is one wicked bow! That takes an artisians skill Thimo :)!

Title: Re: A new elm project
Post by: OldBow on August 10, 2008, 07:33:19 pm

Elm Holmegaard, is it? Very nice and bookmarked as a serious contender for August Self Bow of the Month.

Title: Re: A new elm project
Post by: hammertime on August 10, 2008, 10:45:05 pm

Just had to add to the praise and comments SWEET looking bowLove the design,handle and profile.Elm is a great wood to work with I have also made that design in white ashThanks for sharing.Hammertime.

Title: Re: A new elm project
Post by: Gordon on August 11, 2008, 03:12:37 am

Oh my, the artwork really accentuates that bow nicely.

Title: Re: A new elm project
Post by: ThimoS on August 11, 2008, 08:15:12 am

Thanks everyone!

I should have better full draw pics today when I return from work.

Title: Re: A new elm project
Post by: a finnish native on August 12, 2008, 08:50:08 am

can't wait to see the finished FD pic. very very nice and deadly!

Title: Re: A new elm project
Post by: ThimoS on August 12, 2008, 05:58:51 pm

100# at 29"

(http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c39/thimosabv/A-pulled-1.jpg)


(http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c39/thimosabv/A-pulled-2.jpg)


Unbraced after shooting.

(http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c39/thimosabv/A-pulled-3.jpg)

Title: Re: A new elm project
Post by: D. Tiller on August 12, 2008, 07:18:47 pm

Jeesh Thimo! That looks like one deadly bow. How does she shoot and whats up with the wraps on the nocks?

Title: Re: A new elm project
Post by: Dane on August 13, 2008, 08:14:06 am

Just wow!

Thimo, tell us about the art work, if you don't mind. Design inspiration or actual historic pattern, type of paint used, technique to apply the paint, all that.

Dane

Title: Re: A new elm project
Post by: Ryano on August 13, 2008, 09:42:55 am

I'd say you done good on that Thimo.  ;D Very nice job on the bow and the art work.  8)

Title: Re: A new elm project
Post by: Pappy on August 13, 2008, 10:10:16 am

Man you didn't waste any time getting it painted,very nice job on bow and painting.100 LBS.
Wow. It would take 2 of me to draw that.  :)
   Pappy

Title: Re: A new elm project
Post by: Ryano on August 13, 2008, 11:56:55 am

Lets see ya shoot it threw one of those cement blocks..... >:D  ;D

Title: Re: A new elm project
Post by: Woodland Roamer on August 13, 2008, 02:49:42 pm

Your a bow making machine Thimo! Awesome bow!

Alan

Title: Re: A new elm project
Post by: ThimoS on August 13, 2008, 08:07:27 pm

Thanks everyone.

The painting was heavily inspired by the Shar-pae tribe. Then sealed in with linseed and wax.

Title: Re: A new elm project
Post by: mullet on August 13, 2008, 10:13:32 pm

  Dang!, Thimo. That is one powerfull looking bow.Your full-draw pic' looks bada## as hell. I've got two sweet Elm staves I've been wondering what to do with, you have me inspired.

Title: Re: A new elm project
Post by: ThimoS on August 25, 2008, 11:03:28 pm

Thanks.

Title: Re: A new elm project
Post by: YewArcher on August 26, 2008, 07:49:01 am

Nice job Thimo, Gla dto see you posting your bows in this neck of the woods. Thats a real beauty.

Steve