Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Shooting and Hunting => Topic started by: Pat B on September 12, 2008, 01:10:30 am
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I got a phone call today from a friend of an old landscape customer of mine. His house is in a subdivision but his adjoining 7 acs are not(no restrictions). His wife has a 2 ac native plant garden and a "rogue" deer is jumping over or swimming around her 7' tall deer fence and eating everything. He wanted to know if I would come over with my bow and shoot that "rogue" deer. ::) DAH! YEAH!!! ::) I will meet him and possibly the game warden(my suggestion) on Saturday morning to scout the property and see what legalities might come into effect. One problem is they rarely see the deer during the day light hours(that's why I suggested the game warden) ;D
Many years ago a friend was poaching on Hilton Head Island, SC. He had his stand in a wooded area(there weren't man homes on HHI then). A nice fat Flossy(doe) walked by and he took the shot. The deer ran off so my friend waited for about an hour and preceded to trail the blood. As he broke from the woods he saw his arrow...sticking up in the deer he shot.....laying in the middle of a beautiful formal rose garden. :o Getting the deer out of there was way more difficult than the blood trail. ;D
This hunt is what I picture when I think about hunting next to a restricted sub division. ::) Pat
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Last I checked, here in TX we can hunt without a problem on tracks that are 11 acres or more. The 7 acre track might be too small to hunt on, but the game warden might be able to suggest how to capture the deer in an enclosure and then release it somewhere else. That's how they handle it in these parts.
Or you can just run over it with one of those high-powered riding lawn mowers. ;D
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The only problem is even with a good shot it is likely to get off 7 acs. I have some friends that hunt spots like that,I helped track one that went right across the front yard of an apartment complex. :o
The folks there wasn't to happy with us. >:(At least it died behind the building in a brush pile.We
got it out before the law got there. Tough call but I would probably go for it if it were me. :) you
know ,the bird in the hand thing. ;) :)
Pappy
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Pat find the spot that its getting into the garden and be waiting for it with a little surprise ;D
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The fine shot I know you are,you could spine shoot it. :) Wa la no tracking. ;D
Pappy
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A 22 with a Mountain Dew bottle taped on the end of the barrel works ,too,, so what I've been told. 8)
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This deer is probably used to human scent and not the wildest deer in the woods, so if it works out for you take a close shot from a stand and go for the spine. Hope it works out. Kenneth
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They will know what to expect before I "hunt" this "rogue" deer. I may not be able to use my "primitive" stuff but I will at least use Trad stuff. I'll have to see what the game warden has to say. ::)
The folks in this subdivision are split down the middle as far as dealing with their deer problem. Some are fed up with the damage but others don't want "Bambi" to be hurt. As long as I am on the private property there is no problem with the legalities during legal hunting hours. Public opinion might be different.
I guess we will see tomorrow. I'll keep ya'll posted. Pat
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.22LR subsonic b/t the eyes. its called pest controll.
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Hear in the WA by law we can retrieve deer from someones property if it wounded and drops on thier property to remove it.
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I cant belevie there isnt a jeep owner thats not willing to run over it for them.Its a shame Mullet is too far away.
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Augie! Dont tempt Eddie. He could end up there with his jeep and everything! ;)
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Just shoot him with your "primitive" bow. He isn't going to get out nearly so easy if he has been stuck through the vitals. A good lung shot and he will run into the deer fence and stop. If he cant get back out it is a canned hunt and illegal in most states. Justin
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I'm gonna use a bow. That has already been established. That's why this gentleman called me in the first place....because I am a bow hunter. 8) The problem seems to be the time of day(or night as it were). This doe is a night raider. If it is OK with the game warden I'll set up for a nighttime pest elimination event. ;D The long term problem is this doe has raised quite a few young on this property over the years. Her mom might have taught her. After she is gone her offspring will move in. Sounds like job security to me. ;D
If I am able I will use my regular hunting set up for this year. Yew self bow or osage static recurve self bow with 2 fletch cane arrows and stone heads. If not, my Treadway with cedars and Wensel woodsman heads. ;) Pat
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good luck pat! i'm heading down today to check with a fellow about hunting a large subdivision. i've hunted it for the last couple years and have seen a ton of deer there. i'd go with the ww's. they let in a lot of light for a quick kill.
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good luck with that sir...we have the same thing here...deer are being pushed into smaller areas and getting into peoples yards and gardens and they get mad...well stop developing and building and its less problems...but telling anyone this never stops anything...its sad to see the animals being hit because their being pushed from their homes...
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I just met with the land owners. It probably is not gonna happen. Turns out they have 85ac and only 2ac that their house sits on is a part of the subdivision.
I thought it appropriate to educate these nice folks to the reality of hunting deer with a bow. The way an arrows kills with all the gory details. The possibility that even a mortally shot deer could travel quite a bit and end up in someone else's yard. The possibility that a deer could be wounded(gut shot for instance) and it could be hours before the deer died. I wanted them to know what to expect if this did take place....the positive and negative aspects of bow hunting...and hunting in general.
This isn't a simple situation. The deer are devastating these folks(and others) yards but probably half of the community are anti hunting. They consider these deer as pets; with names for each.The community is pretty tight so bad feelings and bad publicity isn't an option. Gun hunting is not an option either.
They asked me if I would come and talk about the deer problem with a group from this community to help educate them about wildlife management as it relates to their situation. Of course I told the yes. This may turn out to be a good hunting situation for me at a later date but for now it is not. I would rather educate them and try to sway the anti hunters that way. I want this to be a positive situation and I want to put a good light on deer hunting as management and not just as killing deer. This could be a very good opportunity to develop a relationship and educate the ones that are against hunting....or I could be just peeing in the wind. ::) Time will tell. Pat
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If you make it clear that you're there to fill your belly, as well as help them and their neighbors out, it would be a little different than going in and "killing Bambi cause it's there".
Or pull a Jamie and leap on it's back and wrestle it to the ground with your teeth ;D.
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Your going the right way. Now the way we handle it here in Missouri we find were them there deer is coming into the yard and we digs us a slight depression . That so's we can lay down in it and cover ourselves with dirt. But we lay there with a twelve inch knife in both hands .Now we wait till that there deer is right on top of us. Then we come flying up out that there trench with both arms a going with them there twelve inch knifes you see.By the time that there deer realizes what got em .its done boned,wrapped and out of there by the time that there skeleton gets to the neighbors yard. Cause what right minded law official officer is going to believe the 911 call from the neighbors . about seeing that there skeleton ghost deer running across that there yard. works every time .But you see the secret is you gots to be quick or all you will get is deer do do and fur
Dennis ;D
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;D ;D ;D
Pappy
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I think you have the right attitude towards this situation. I've spent many years doing urban deer management and through my experiences with most states and natural resource departments is that they're not open to using the bow and arrow for isolated incidents. I've had a hard time convincing local communities that controlled archery hunts are a very effective way of maintaining populations on an annual basis after a controlled shoot to reduce the population initially. Educating the public is the key element. I can sell a controlled firearm deer removal with suppression, bait, and night vision easier than a quiet, low profile archery program with lower costs overall. In most cases they opt for the high tech program. Keep trying and good luck.
Tracy
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Tracy, last year NC started an urban deer season for archery only. It is up to the community to set it up. In this particular circumstance about half of the residents are "animal rights" supporters, which I accept their right to be. But, if they truely believed in animal rights they would allow the legal harvest and controll of deer. I think it is ironic that these folks would rather see deer die of starvation or a deer/auto type of population controll. I don't think they realize how much more humane hunting is, and especially bow hunting(IMO) as compared with Mother Nature's methods or collisions with autos or in some cases starvation.
Except for this situation, this is a tight knit community and because of that, I wanted them to know all of the gory details that were possoble with an archery hunt. The property owners decided it wasn't worth loosing close friends over. Like I said, any other weapon or method of controll is out of the question unless the state wants to get involved...and I'd bet they don't! ;). Pat
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Pat, now we wae getting the same problem with deer. Last winter they were real hard on Kathie's young trees, about twenty were buck rubbed badly. Now they are coming into the new part of the orchard and eating her new fruit trees. One of these raiders might have a colision with an arrow. Any way like you say it keeps them out of someones automobile grill as we live right on the highway. Kenneth
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Have you ever seen the movie "Caddyshack"???? I imagine Bill Murray could help you. He seemed to take care of that gopher . . . or did he?