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Title: April Challenge "Dalton"
Post by: Timo on April 02, 2009, 08:49:23 am: I rekon I'll get this started.Hope no one minds,but it is April already? Dalton of any type? Long,short,big,small.Find a type you like, and build it.Or better yet build one of every type you can find pics of. Here in Mo, there are all kinds of daltons,from just about every kind of material. Bring um on.

Good luck and happy knappin.:)
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Post by: cowboy on April 02, 2009, 08:56:16 am: I'll second that :) - good luck..
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Post by: Dingleberry on April 02, 2009, 11:00:23 am: Some more info and inspiration:

www.lithiccastinglab.com/cast-page/june2000dalton2.htm

www.lithiccastinglab.com/gallery-pages/2007septemberdaltoncachepage1.htm
Title: Re: April Challenge "Dalton"
Post by: Hillbilly on April 02, 2009, 04:48:28 pm: Here's a couple of my older ones:

Texas chert:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v325/hillbillync/Flintknapping/daltonskull2.jpg)

Flint River chert (with a bonus rhyolite Kirk corner-notched):
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v325/hillbillync/dalton-n-kirk.jpg)

Johnstone:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v325/hillbillync/Flintknapping/dalton.jpg)

Hardaway-Dalton type, dacite:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v325/hillbillync/Flintknapping/Daltonfur.jpg)
Title: Re: April Challenge "Dalton"
Post by: Timo on April 02, 2009, 04:56:41 pm: Nice stuff Hillbilly! Love that raw texas mat. Would trade a truck load of burlinton for some....(If I had a truck load) :)
Title: Re: April Challenge "Dalton"
Post by: mullet on April 02, 2009, 05:23:16 pm: Well I don't have any old ones but did finish this one after I snuck home from work this afternoon. It's Ranbow Obsidian I really like the way that stuff looks.

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Title: Re: April Challenge "Dalton"
Post by: D. Tiller on April 02, 2009, 07:01:58 pm: All right, I'm on for this one. I always wanted to make daltons. I tend to make them anyways when trying to make something else. Its been imprinted in me from an earlier life, I think! :o
Title: Re: April Challenge "Dalton"
Post by: Timo on April 02, 2009, 10:16:44 pm: Very nice point Mullet!

I was in the mood, so I found me a good piece of burlington and had at it. I guess I was on my game tonight cause this one came through without a hitch.Not sure if you can see the heal fracture that runs across the base? This is probly one of the best points I have every made. Got lucky. :o

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Timotoad/general/dalton024.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Timotoad/general/dalton023.jpg)
Title: Re: April Challenge "Dalton"
Post by: mullet on April 02, 2009, 10:59:54 pm: SWEET! ;D
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Post by: FlintWalker on April 02, 2009, 11:10:35 pm: Those all look great. I don't have time to make one but here's a couple of pretty rough authentic ones I have. Most of them I've seen from around here are usually better quality than these.

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Title: Re: April Challenge "Dalton"
Post by: Pappy on April 03, 2009, 07:41:33 am: Nice points,the last ones look like some of my work. ;) ;D
Pappy
Title: Re: April Challenge "Dalton"
Post by: DanaM on April 03, 2009, 07:43:29 am: Great points guys, I didn't get a chance to try yet, its back to snowing here :'(
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Post by: Bone pile on April 03, 2009, 08:05:02 am: Man you fellas hit the gate running!!!!!!!!!Nice looking points,hope to get something done this weekend.
Title: Re: April Challenge "Dalton"
Post by: cowboy on April 03, 2009, 10:39:30 am: Yup, this one really took off - nice pernts fellers :).
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Post by: jamie on April 03, 2009, 11:48:37 am: awesome points guys. i broke into a gnarly piece of normanskill i had and popped this one out. it had a lot of stress fractures and went from being a hands length long to 3 fingers long. this stuff was like knapping a crayola crayon after having been working with the texas stuff.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/coyotebow/knapping/021.jpg)
Title: Re: April Challenge "Dalton"
Post by: leapingbare on April 03, 2009, 04:37:37 pm: nice points guys, i'll try'n get one done this weekend
Title: Re: April Challenge "Dalton"
Post by: sailordad on April 03, 2009, 10:28:55 pm: yup you guys are quick,all very nice points
i will do my best and get one done before the 25th,any later and it aint happening this month.gotta chase buzzards in three weeks
Title: Re: April Challenge "Dalton"
Post by: Timo on April 03, 2009, 10:36:14 pm: Jamie, that is a killer point man! I use the "shrink" billet quite a bit myself..:) ;)
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Post by: jamie on April 04, 2009, 06:05:21 am: ;D
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Post by: DanaM on April 04, 2009, 08:00:00 pm: Had a nice one going today :) Then I broke an inch off >:( But it was still ok :) Till I broke that one in half :'(
So now I have two bird points :P Thats knapping eh :-\
Title: Re: April Challenge "Dalton"
Post by: leapingbare on April 05, 2009, 03:42:24 pm: John Thomas and myself did some knappin last night, got some of this months challenge banged out.
These 1st pics are of the ones John did.

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Title: Re: April Challenge "Dalton"
Post by: leapingbare on April 05, 2009, 03:44:16 pm: 1st one is the one i did last night.
2nd is one i did today.

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Title: Re: April Challenge "Dalton"
Post by: leapingbare on April 05, 2009, 03:45:41 pm: here is one i done outa johnstone today. Warming up for the Classic.

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Title: Re: April Challenge "Dalton"
Post by: DanaM on April 05, 2009, 04:14:53 pm: Nice points Jesse and no fair practicing for the Johnstone Knap off :o ;)
Title: Re: April Challenge "Dalton"
Post by: Timo on April 05, 2009, 04:56:09 pm: Nice points guys! What is the material on that first point? Flint ridge?
Title: Re: April Challenge "Dalton"
Post by: leapingbare on April 05, 2009, 06:02:07 pm: thanks, yep flint ridge.
Title: Re: April Challenge "Dalton"
Post by: jamie on April 05, 2009, 09:10:42 pm: most excellent!!
Title: Re: April Challenge "Dalton"
Post by: Pappy on April 06, 2009, 06:08:06 am: Nice Jesse,I think I have seen them before. :) ;) Couldn't get any work out of them 2 this weekend,to busy napping and eating. ;) :)
Pappy
Title: Re: April Challenge "Dalton"
Post by: Dingleberry on April 06, 2009, 10:20:29 am: very nice everybody!
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Post by: cowboy on April 06, 2009, 11:56:22 am: Ya'll are making it look easy - can't wait to get home to my tools.
Title: Re: April Challenge "Dalton"
Post by: leapingbare on April 06, 2009, 07:02:16 pm: anouther dalton.

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Title: Re: April Challenge "Dalton"
Post by: cowboy on April 06, 2009, 07:05:24 pm: That looks good Jesse. Is that cortex on there or inclusion? I always liked points with a little bark left on em.
Title: Re: April Challenge "Dalton"
Post by: D. Tiller on April 06, 2009, 07:34:57 pm: WOOF!!!
Title: Re: April Challenge "Dalton"
Post by: jamie on April 06, 2009, 08:42:31 pm: guy handed me a five gallon bucket of choice normanskill at my club this weekend. sometimes things go your way. i decided to knock out another dalton with it. i got lazy at the end and should of sharpened the antler but didnt and started creating a bunch of little hinges. i love this rock.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/coyotebow/knapping/034.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/coyotebow/knapping/035.jpg)
Title: Re: April Challenge "Dalton"
Post by: D. Tiller on April 06, 2009, 08:58:35 pm: Jamie, hinges? Man that thing is just NICE!
Title: Re: April Challenge "Dalton"
Post by: leapingbare on April 06, 2009, 09:07:22 pm: good one Jamie.
Title: Re: April Challenge "Dalton"
Post by: Timo on April 06, 2009, 10:05:47 pm: Dang ...another tater chip knapper! :) Nice! You ever decide to trade some of that off, let me know.
Title: Re: April Challenge "Dalton"
Post by: mullet on April 06, 2009, 10:23:34 pm: Holy Crap!, Jamie, that one is thin. You are going to like James Parker and Steve, the other concrete chippers. ;)
Title: Re: April Challenge "Dalton"
Post by: jamie on April 07, 2009, 02:43:50 am: thanks guys. you can see the screw ups better in the side shot . trust me they are there.

timo , the guy who gave it to me said he had a couple of decent sources and would show me where they were. when he does ill get a truck load and let you know. probably be sometime this summer. and yes as long as i get enough i will share the wealth with everybody else ;D

im really looking forward to breathin in some silica dust with every body down there. i wanna see steve swing that baseball bat. ;D
Title: Re: April Challenge "Dalton"
Post by: Pappy on April 07, 2009, 05:38:49 am: Great looking point Jamie,very nice job. :)
Pappy
Title: Re: April Challenge "Dalton"
Post by: cowboy on April 07, 2009, 08:58:07 am: Another nice one Jamie - man that things thin and symetrical. I can see them steps in the side view but their really shallow, that don't hurt a thing.
Title: Re: April Challenge "Dalton"
Post by: Hardawaypoints on April 07, 2009, 03:54:25 pm: Man, that's a pretty point Jamie. It would work on the end of a stick!

Jim
Title: Re: April Challenge "Dalton"
Post by: cowboy on April 08, 2009, 06:53:39 pm: Here's my attempt. I found one in my book that looked about like this so thought I'd give that a shot. This is a peice of Georgetown that I picked up in - well Georgetown :). Found an old rancher that had nothing better to do than sit on the porch and drink ice tea - we hit it off instantly and I secured permission to load up all the rock I wanted. Life is a journey - ain't it 8).

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Title: Re: April Challenge "Dalton"
Post by: DanaM on April 08, 2009, 07:53:30 pm: Damn Paul that looks like a nice Yooper point to me :D Well done my friend :)
Title: Re: April Challenge "Dalton"
Post by: mullet on April 08, 2009, 08:22:24 pm: Sweet, Paul. You ain't that rusty, hell, not rusty at all.
Title: Re: April Challenge "Dalton"
Post by: Timo on April 08, 2009, 10:51:35 pm: Nice piece! That thing just screams "wicked sharp" Man I'd hate to be hit with that thing...
Title: Re: April Challenge "Dalton"
Post by: hawkbow on April 09, 2009, 12:05:02 am: Leapingbear, Jamie and Paul... you guys are all amazing knappers,,, i wish I could make points like those.. great job.. Hawk
Title: Re: April Challenge "Dalton"
Post by: jamie on April 09, 2009, 05:38:20 am: damn dude!!!!!!! that sucker is awesome. im really looking forward to getting together with you guys at pappy's. cant wait to sit and chip with ya'll.
Title: Re: April Challenge "Dalton"
Post by: cowboy on April 09, 2009, 08:57:59 am: Thanks guys :). Jamie, the more I hear you all talk about the being at the classic, the more I get to thinking that I'll probably go. Just don't think I can afford to miss out this year ;).
Title: Re: April Challenge "Dalton"
Post by: TRACY on April 09, 2009, 11:18:56 am: Wow Cowboy! That is pretty cool.
Title: Re: April Challenge "Dalton"
Post by: leapingbare on April 09, 2009, 11:37:07 am: damn cowboy i hope you can make it. your the thunder chert champ. how can i fairly take your tittle if your not there ;D
Title: Re: April Challenge "Dalton"
Post by: cowboy on April 09, 2009, 12:52:41 pm: We'll just have to see about that ;D.
Title: Re: April Challenge "Dalton"
Post by: Bone pile on April 13, 2009, 12:03:39 pm: Well finally got to this months challenge,the smaller one is Ga flint river(thanks Curt)and the larger is some burlington out of a pig pen in missori.for a while i thought it was something out of the pig ,a peice of cr@p,but it came out ok i guess
(http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk33/Bonepile/gregtrout006.jpg)
(http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk33/Bonepile/gregtrout004.jpg)
been enjoying all the photos on this one,keep them coming
Bone pile
Title: Re: April Challenge "Dalton"
Post by: Timo on April 13, 2009, 09:14:06 pm: Being from the state of burlinton,I have to reply about the beauty of the red point...Love that color! Looks nice,with good flake scars.What temp did you cook it?
Title: Re: April Challenge "Dalton"
Post by: cowboy on April 13, 2009, 09:27:36 pm: Oooooh, me like ;D. Love those Roger, but really like the red one - nice!!
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Post by: jamie on April 14, 2009, 03:51:53 am: excellent job!
Title: Re: April Challenge "Dalton"
Post by: Bone pile on April 14, 2009, 07:53:03 am: I cooked it in a turkey roaster for a few days that got it good enugh to spall.then I put it in the fire pit down an inch or two in the sand and charcoal fired it.That took a couple days to cool off but it it did the trick
Bone pile
Title: Re: April Challenge "Dalton"
Post by: Timo on April 14, 2009, 08:11:18 am: Where was the "pig pen" located? :)
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Post by: leapingbare on April 14, 2009, 10:15:43 am: nice un
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Post by: DanaM on April 14, 2009, 11:40:35 am: Great points Roger, I've never tried pig poop might have to look for some :D
Title: Re: April Challenge "Dalton"
Post by: knap_123 on April 14, 2009, 02:50:41 pm: well, heres my feeble attemp so far. the tallahasse dalton is coastal plain and the horse creek is a little nodguel i found at at a motel in tennesse in the gravel they use for landscape.(http://i328.photobucket.com/albums/l338/knap_123/daltonarkrock101.jpg)
Title: Re: April Challenge "Dalton"
Post by: D. Tiller on April 14, 2009, 04:02:10 pm: Wow! Nice points. Looks like I will be doing all my knapping at he Tenn. Classic. Just cant seem to get any time at the moment! Work, work and more WORK!!! RRRRRRRRRR!!!!!! :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: April Challenge "Dalton"
Post by: cowboy on April 14, 2009, 05:31:35 pm: Those look great knap! really like that hc. I've been know to lift a rock er two from landscaping projects ::).
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Post by: D. Tiller on April 14, 2009, 05:48:19 pm: Tsk! Tsk! Paul!!! ;D
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Post by: Wildcat86 on April 14, 2009, 07:01:29 pm: Nice points John. You can send that Coastal one to me. ;D
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Post by: jamie on April 14, 2009, 08:34:30 pm: great points man
Title: Re: April Challenge "Dalton"
Post by: Timo on April 14, 2009, 10:49:22 pm: Dang! With all these fine Daltons I think we should try a calf creek next time? ;D (Sorry, I kinda lost my mind there for a minute) >:D

Very nice points!
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Post by: cowboy on April 15, 2009, 09:05:04 am: Calf creeks sound good. Most of the one's in my id book have the ears already broken off or worked down anyway ::).
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Post by: D. Tiller on April 15, 2009, 05:25:57 pm: No Problem! I can calf a creek!
Title: Re: April Challenge "Dalton"
Post by: Timo on April 15, 2009, 07:44:31 pm: I've tried them on a few occasions,and always end up with snapping ears. A buddy told me to keep the preform wide,thin the base well and run the notches. Then go back and bring the sides in to finish. Never tired it....yet. ;)
Title: Re: April Challenge "Dalton"
Post by: D. Tiller on April 15, 2009, 07:57:20 pm: Thin the base first then run the notches using inderect pressure flaking. Then thin up the rest. Make sure the basic shape is there before thinning the base though!
Title: Re: April Challenge "Dalton"
Post by: cowboy on April 15, 2009, 09:46:04 pm: Hmm, that sounds a little spooky - running the notches first. I'd be afraid that'd be more likely to snap the ears than the other way. I'm no authority on calf creeks though :).
Title: Re: April Challenge "Dalton"
Post by: Timo on April 15, 2009, 10:28:01 pm: Tiller, you done much punch notching?
Title: Re: April Challenge "Dalton"
Post by: D. Tiller on April 16, 2009, 12:32:31 am: Nah, Nah Timo! Inderect PRESURE flaking. Means coming from the back side of the notch not the front.
Title: Re: April Challenge "Dalton"
Post by: Timo on April 16, 2009, 08:00:43 am: yea Tiller I got ya on that.:) I'll try that on my next, and next and next one. :)

I was asking you if you ever punched before?
Title: Re: April Challenge "Dalton"
Post by: Bone pile on April 16, 2009, 08:20:08 am: I've been punching lately with some coming out good.I found you have to keep the burs on the sides of the punch filed smooth ALL THE TIME! them little buggers will pop the ear off and it's allways on the second notch >:(
Bone pile
Title: Re: April Challenge "Dalton"
Post by: n2everythg on April 19, 2009, 05:49:25 pm: I turned out my version of a dalton this weekend at TJ's campout.
used johnstone. got just a smidge of the glaze left on it tho.
(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s142/n2everythg/Rocks/Jstone001.jpg)

(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s142/n2everythg/Rocks/Jstone002.jpg)

(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s142/n2everythg/Rocks/Jstone005.jpg)

later
N2
Title: Re: April Challenge "Dalton"
Post by: nugget on April 19, 2009, 06:10:49 pm: That is a cool thunder chert dalton. A doo doo dalton ;D or that is one crappy dalton ;D
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Post by: cowboy on April 19, 2009, 08:56:32 pm: Ooooh, I hate that thunderchert - but it theirs nothin else ::). Nice point N2..
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Post by: Timo on April 19, 2009, 09:57:18 pm: Always hated the stuff myself.You did a good job on that one.Love the man made cortex that you left on it. ;D
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Post by: DanaM on April 20, 2009, 11:05:29 am: Looks good wade, your gonna challenge cowboys status at the classic ;D
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Post by: PeteDavis on April 22, 2009, 10:34:56 pm: Indiana Hornstone

(http://www.fototime.com/32E8129ABD89759/standard.jpg)

Obsidian

(http://www.fototime.com/2C335BCB7CEAA74/standard.jpg)

Great points guys!

Cheers-PD
Title: Re: April Challenge "Dalton"
Post by: Timo on April 23, 2009, 12:00:42 am: Really nice points Pete! Specially like that sidian point!
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Post by: cowboy on April 23, 2009, 11:58:06 pm: Very nice points yerself there Pete! Man, looks like they were made by a machine :).
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Post by: Diligence on April 24, 2009, 06:25:34 pm: I just stumbled onto this thread....I'm amazed at the quality of work you folks turn out. You really should all take a big, well deserved clap on the back.

....and just great, something else I need to try - I gotta stop hanging around on these "art" forums....lol

D
Title: Re: April Challenge "Dalton"
Post by: Timo on April 28, 2009, 08:45:40 am: Lets hear some ideas for the May challenge.

Calf creek was mentioned,can't remember what else without looking back.

I'll throw in something. Since alot of us use our points in the field,How bout a hunting point of some type,cahokia,basic corner notch,etc,but making it with a certain grain weight?
Title: Re: April Challenge "Dalton"
Post by: Hardawaypoints on April 30, 2009, 05:57:54 pm: (http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a257/hardawaypoints/Knapped%20points/Open013-1.jpg)

Just under the wire. This one is made from Pedernales from Texas. I couldn't get either flute to run. This is the better side.
Kinda like a non-resharpened Dalton. I broke a couple of others I was working on.

Jim
Title: Re: April Challenge "Dalton"
Post by: cowboy on May 01, 2009, 08:14:59 am: Calf creek or something with a certain grain weight would both be a challenge. I'm game for either Timo, we need to announce it quick though :).
That's a nice authentic looking point Jim! And from tx perd, aught to last awhile..
Title: Re: April Challenge "Dalton"
Post by: Bone pile on May 01, 2009, 08:19:05 am: I like the hunting points idea just choose style and size.Here's two I haffted for a couple buddies last night
(http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk33/Bonepile/arrapoints010.jpg)
Bone pile
Title: Re: April Challenge "Dalton"
Post by: Timo on May 01, 2009, 11:22:07 pm: Hardaway,ya got a nice scar pattern on that one!

I always have favored the side notch/ cahokia design.Maybe try to make a couple matched? 100-125 grains?

How bout we wait till everyone gets back from the classic. maybe they'll want to add imput?

Nice looking points and hafting job the bone pile! ;) You not use pitch to set your points?
Title: Re: April Challenge "Dalton"
Post by: cowboy on May 02, 2009, 08:32:27 am: I'll get them to take a survey at the Classic and maybe post their pics from there. Cahokia sounds great to me.. Nice arra's Roger!