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Title: Eastern Woodlands Two-Fletch
Post by: JackCrafty on May 16, 2009, 12:12:25 am
Recently I was asked to do a detailed build-along of NA style two-fletch.  I've only done a couple arrows this way (a long time ago), so I felt it was a good opportunity for me to get some practice and also to have a piece I can study later.  So here goes:

(Some of this will be repetitive for those who have seen my other build-alongs....my apologies.  Please bear with me)

I will be using two wild turkey secondaries, deer sinew, privet arrow, and fish glue.
Here are the materials:
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First I peel off the vanes of the feathers.
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Then I trim to size using Jim Hamm's book for a guide.
In this case I will be reproducing Cherokee arrow fletching.
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Then I trim the quill.
I use one of two methods:  slow and difficult with razor blade….and fast and easy with dremel tool.
Here I show both methods.
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Then I dip the feathers in water to soften the quill (for bending).
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Then I prepare some sinew while the feathers are in the water for a minute or two…
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Then separate the vanes and bend the tip to prepare for attaching to the arrow.
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Next I dip the sinew and apply glue to the shaft….
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Then apply the fletching.
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Smoothing down the sinew with my fingernail.
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Then trimming the excess quill, folding over the feathers, and attaching the front of the quills….
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NOTE:
There is about a 90 degree difference from the back of the feather to the front.  I've seen even greater angles on some arrows.
Title: Re: Eastern Woodlands Two-Fletch
Post by: El Destructo on May 16, 2009, 12:24:04 am
Nice Job Patrick....I think I will try a few of these with the Boo I got from Eddie Parker
Title: Re: Eastern Woodlands Two-Fletch
Post by: JackCrafty on May 16, 2009, 12:30:14 am
Trimming the feathers
Most examples I’ve seen have very short feathers….Cherokee being a good example.
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Comparing to the illustration of a Cherokee arrow
The nock is usually parallel with the rear of the fletching.
Mine is pretty close.
The fletching on mine could be cut back a tad more, but time is short and I’ve lost daylight….
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A few more close-ups:
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The end.
Title: Re: Eastern Woodlands Two-Fletch
Post by: JackCrafty on May 16, 2009, 01:15:33 am
I might add that this is not the only two-fletch design used by Native Americans.  This style, with the rear of the feather retaining vanes on both sides of the quill, was used east of the Mississippi.  There is also the more conventional two feather fletch with the quill glued down and/or tied on both ends...and having vanes on only one side of the quill.  The feathers were either laid down straight or in a spiral.   In almost all cases, however, the feathers were trimmed short....usually around 1/4" in height.

OK....now...

The End.

 :)
Title: Re: Eastern Woodlands Two-Fletch
Post by: medicinewheel on May 16, 2009, 02:00:40 am

Another really great post of your's...!
Planing on doing a Penobscot sometime soon; this would be the right sort of arrow to go withone of those I reccon!?
Title: Re: Eastern Woodlands Two-Fletch
Post by: n2everythg on May 16, 2009, 10:42:15 am
Nice job patrick thanks for the BAL.

only ur supposed to chew that sinew :)

n2
Title: Re: Eastern Woodlands Two-Fletch
Post by: JackCrafty on May 16, 2009, 11:31:30 am
Frank, yes, this arrow fletching is appropriate for your Penobscot bow.  There are a couple of Penobscot arrows in Jam Hamm's book.  They are not shown with fletching, the nocks are bulbous, and depressions are cut into the sides of the nock where the fingers pinch the shaft.  There are few Delaware arrows in the book and they all have this style of fletching.  The only difference being that the rear of the feather is blocked (cut perpendicular to the shaft) instead of being tapered like the one I've shown.

N2.....I've never had the desire to chew the sinew.  Somehow, the thought of using spit for glue does not sit right with me.  Is there such a thing as spit-o-phobia?  I've got it bad.  :P  :-X
Title: Re: Eastern Woodlands Two-Fletch
Post by: ricktrojanowski on May 16, 2009, 10:09:43 pm
Awesome buildalong Patrick.   You do beautiful work.   It couldn't come at a better time, I'm just about to fletch some arrows two fletch.  I hear you about spit a phobia.  I'm not really into chewing on the sinew either.  I'm lucky and only have Yooper sinew and who knows what Dana's secret processing technique is. :o.  I really appreciate the time you take to post these BAL's,  I've learned a ton from them.
Title: Re: Eastern Woodlands Two-Fletch
Post by: Pat B on May 17, 2009, 02:08:23 pm
Nice BAL Patrick. Your bows and arrows are as close to the real thing I've ever had the pleasure to hold. Keep posting the good stuff! 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Eastern Woodlands Two-Fletch
Post by: D. Tiller on May 17, 2009, 03:17:46 pm
ENCORE! ENCORE! MORE!MORE!MORE WE WANT MORE!!!  ;D

Great tutorial! I'm going to try it. But how the heck did you get that shaft so straight? I have a heck of a time getting mine straight and keeping them that way.

Tiller
Title: Re: Eastern Woodlands Two-Fletch
Post by: JackCrafty on May 18, 2009, 12:16:54 am
Thanks Rick.  These are not taking me as long as they used to......but I need to learn how to take advantage of all the cool features of my camera.  I still haven't figured out how to get a whole arrow in focus when I take of picture of it looking down the shaft.   ???

Pat, thanks.  I'll keep taking pictures and posting stuff when I'm not doing honey-do's, yard work, and the occasional "Daddy, I need money for something at school....can you go get some?"... ::)

Thanks David.  I'll tell you my secret for getting them straight:  start with a stick that doesn't have drastic bends.  For keeping them straight:  You got me.  I have to hand straighten every time I use them (or take pictures of them).  ;)
Title: Re: Eastern Woodlands Two-Fletch
Post by: TRACY on May 18, 2009, 12:19:48 pm
Patrick, thanks for the tutorial! Ever use cane or boo for 2 fletch where you actually split the shaft(Nock end) and insert tail feathers? I've done a few that way and really like it. I think Pat B or Hillbilly suggested it once and so I tried it.

Tracy
Title: Re: Eastern Woodlands Two-Fletch
Post by: JackCrafty on May 18, 2009, 02:43:28 pm
Tracy, nope, I haven't tried the "splitting the cane" method of making a two-fletch arrow.  Looks like it's very effective, though.  I might try it someday.
Title: Re: Eastern Woodlands Two-Fletch
Post by: jamie on May 18, 2009, 03:40:42 pm
nice work pat. im still diggin the mustard bottle of glue.  id end up with fish glue on a sandwich
Title: Re: Eastern Woodlands Two-Fletch
Post by: JackCrafty on May 18, 2009, 03:56:56 pm
 :D
Title: Re: Eastern Woodlands Two-Fletch
Post by: Aries on May 19, 2009, 11:08:58 am
Thanks man!! thats just what i was lookin for ;D  Ill be usin this on my first serious set of arrows. Ill post some pics if i ever finish them lol
Title: Re: Eastern Woodlands Two-Fletch
Post by: JackCrafty on May 19, 2009, 01:25:41 pm
You're welcome, Ty.  :)
Title: Re: Eastern Woodlands Two-Fletch
Post by: Staver on May 20, 2009, 07:54:38 pm
I enjoy and learn a lot from your posts! ;)  Your work is real beautiful!! Thanks for sharing 8) 8)  Joe H
Title: Re: Eastern Woodlands Two-Fletch
Post by: JackCrafty on May 20, 2009, 08:04:44 pm
Thanks Joe.   :)
Title: Re: Eastern Woodlands Two-Fletch
Post by: JustinNC on April 20, 2011, 06:30:31 pm
Wow this was EXACTLY the post Ive been looking for. Last night I made a post about what to do with the secondaries, whether to split or use them for this. I wasn't too sure what this method involved. I was posting from my phone and couldnt run a search until today. I like it. Thanks Pat!
Title: Re: Eastern Woodlands Two-Fletch
Post by: JackCrafty on April 21, 2011, 12:58:30 am
Thanks Justin.  I actually forgot about this thread...hahah
Title: Re: Eastern Woodlands Two-Fletch
Post by: JustinNC on April 21, 2011, 01:13:26 am
You comin to the classic mr crafty?
Title: Re: Eastern Woodlands Two-Fletch
Post by: JackCrafty on April 21, 2011, 12:19:21 pm
Well, things are still kinda up in the air right now.  I probably will go.
Title: Re: Eastern Woodlands Two-Fletch
Post by: El Destructo on April 21, 2011, 12:37:31 pm
Probably My Fat  Ass....your going....if I have to drive You.... >:D
Title: Re: Eastern Woodlands Two-Fletch
Post by: JackCrafty on April 21, 2011, 12:42:46 pm
Guess that answers that question! ;D
Title: Re: Eastern Woodlands Two-Fletch
Post by: JustinNC on April 21, 2011, 12:45:49 pm
Both of ya....who's gonna be a long time standing member of PA to rep Texas is yall dont come.
Title: Re: Eastern Woodlands Two-Fletch
Post by: Parnell on April 21, 2011, 01:00:50 pm
Very cool!  I think there may be a few of these made this weekend in the cave!
Is it fish glue your using, Patrick?  Does that stay liquid at room temperature?  I haven't used hide glue yet, but have some in pearl form.  If i heat it up with water and then put it in a container like that, does it stay liquid?
Thanks.

Parnell
Title: Re: Eastern Woodlands Two-Fletch
Post by: JackCrafty on April 21, 2011, 01:10:09 pm
Yep, I'm using fish glue and yes, it stays liquid at room temperature.  That's the main reason I use it.  Hide glue will "gel" at room temperature, so if you want to use a squeeze bottle, you've got to keep the squeeze bottle in hot water between uses.  When not in use, you can store the liquid glue in the frig for several weeks.
Title: Re: Eastern Woodlands Two-Fletch
Post by: Pat B on April 21, 2011, 01:37:45 pm
Mike, if you are coming I'll go dig your hill cane and pot it up!  :D
Title: Re: Eastern Woodlands Two-Fletch
Post by: El Destructo on April 21, 2011, 02:45:46 pm
Pat....ya better break out that Spade ole Son....looks like the Boys from the Texas Desert are coming tooth Sweet Hills of Tennessee after all... :P
Title: Re: Eastern Woodlands Two-Fletch
Post by: JustinNC on April 21, 2011, 02:51:07 pm
Pat....ya better break out that Spade ole Son....looks like the Boys from the Texas Desert are coming tooth Sweet Hills of Tennessee after all... :P

You using a phone with that automatic speller thing on it? ;D
Title: Re: Eastern Woodlands Two-Fletch
Post by: El Destructo on April 21, 2011, 02:55:14 pm
Dam these so called ...Smart Phones
Title: Re: Eastern Woodlands Two-Fletch
Post by: Pat B on April 21, 2011, 04:58:51 pm
Will do, Mike. So glad you guys are going to make it. Bon voyage!
Title: Re: Eastern Woodlands Two-Fletch
Post by: HatchA on April 24, 2011, 01:48:40 pm
'crafty, firstly I have to add to the long list of thanks for taking the time to post up these informative threads!!! 

Secondly - you're using secondary feathers but will tail feathers work just as well?  I think I remember an article in one of last let's issues about it.

If/when using tail feathers, is there a preferable side to use as the fletching?  I mean with regard to "left wing - right wing" feathers, cos tails are "in between".

Steve.
Title: Re: Eastern Woodlands Two-Fletch
Post by: JackCrafty on April 24, 2011, 11:17:48 pm
Yes, tail feathers will work.  There is no preferred way of using the tail feathers, so long as the "curl" is the same for both.
Title: Re: Eastern Woodlands Two-Fletch
Post by: criveraville on April 27, 2011, 11:45:21 pm
Excelente!!!! You make it look so simple 8)
Title: Re: Eastern Woodlands Two-Fletch
Post by: El Destructo on May 02, 2011, 01:02:40 pm
You ought to sit and watch in Person....it is simple....................For Patrick...He is an Awesome Artist when it come to making Arrows and Bows...and lets not forget Points too...to watch Him knap with His unorthodox means of Indirect Percussion...is a Sight to be Seen...my Hats off to Him....
Title: Re: Eastern Woodlands Two-Fletch
Post by: JustinNC on May 02, 2011, 04:54:54 pm
You ought to sit and watch in Person....it is simple....................For Patrick...He is an Awesome Artist when it come to making Arrows and Bows...and lets not forget Points too...to watch Him knap with His unorthodox means of Indirect Percussion...is a Sight to be Seen...my Hats off to Him....

Incase anyone didn't notice, I was generally in Patricks vecinity at the Classic for that reason. Not to mention what a nice guy he is. From watching him work on those Ligustrum sinense arrows, to knapping, to working on that Robinia pseudoacacia bow, a master at whatever he does.
Title: Re: Eastern Woodlands Two-Fletch
Post by: criveraville on May 03, 2011, 02:06:04 am
El DestRuctor,,

oh I can imagine... Wish he lived closer and not out in west Texas...  :'(
Title: Re: Eastern Woodlands Two-Fletch
Post by: Dictionary on November 17, 2012, 01:56:04 pm
Im going to give this a shot. If i like it, i'll stick with it. I've read that the angle that you tie the feathers, or the spiral you give them is very important. I didnt see that you made note of it Jack.


Was this fletching style used EXCLUSIVELY by many native tribes or did they do the convenional 3 feather fletch and used this just for the smaller feathers?
Title: Re: Eastern Woodlands Two-Fletch
Post by: JackCrafty on November 17, 2012, 04:53:55 pm
This style was used exclusively by many groups in the Eastern Woodlands and by some Northern groups. 
Title: Re: Eastern Woodlands Two-Fletch
Post by: Dictionary on November 17, 2012, 09:37:41 pm
Here's my first attempt.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQOuHlm1jW8&list=HL1353200716&feature=mh_lolz (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQOuHlm1jW8&list=HL1353200716&feature=mh_lolz)
Title: Re: Eastern Woodlands Two-Fletch
Post by: JackCrafty on November 17, 2012, 10:55:30 pm
Cool. :)
Title: Re: Eastern Woodlands Two-Fletch
Post by: Dictionary on November 21, 2012, 06:18:19 pm
the feathers aren't supposed to lay on the shaft are they?

Does this affect arrow flight distance?
Title: Re: Eastern Woodlands Two-Fletch
Post by: Scowler on November 23, 2012, 08:54:46 am
Excellent how-to post.  Thanks for sharing. :)
Title: Re: Eastern Woodlands Two-Fletch
Post by: mbs on January 07, 2013, 02:14:23 pm
What book is that? Thanks.
Title: Re: Eastern Woodlands Two-Fletch
Post by: JackCrafty on January 07, 2013, 03:08:31 pm
Encyclopedia of Native American Bows, Arrows & Quivers: Volume 1  by Jim Hamm

http://www.horsefeathersranch.com/cgi-bin/shopper?key=1-55821-992-7&preadd=action

Title: Re: Eastern Woodlands Two-Fletch
Post by: TRACY on March 27, 2013, 10:03:27 am
Ttt
Title: Re: Eastern Woodlands Two-Fletch
Post by: PAHunter on April 08, 2013, 01:28:24 am
Beautiful arrows!  I'll have to give that a try sometime.  Just ordered that book.  thanks!
Title: Re: Eastern Woodlands Two-Fletch
Post by: TRACY on April 14, 2014, 10:15:57 pm
Ttt
Title: Re: Eastern Woodlands Two-Fletch
Post by: JackCrafty on April 19, 2014, 03:17:30 pm
Thanks for bringing this thread to the top, Tracy.  ;D

I recently made a video on two-fletch arrows:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45WzlNRP3KI
Title: Re: Eastern Woodlands Two-Fletch
Post by: TRACY on April 22, 2014, 10:34:27 pm
No problem Patrick ;) a lot of time and effort in this thread, no need to sit on the bottom collecting dust :D

Tracy