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Main Discussion Area => Flintknapping => Topic started by: DanaM on June 25, 2009, 12:35:47 pm

Title: July Challenge: ARREDONDO and/or HERNANDO
Post by: DanaM on June 25, 2009, 12:35:47 pm

Cowboy suggested I start this thread :)

Challenge is to make one or both ;D

Scanned these, not great but ya get the idea.

ARREDONDO - Location: Golf Coastal Description: A thick medium to large size point with a short broad blade and a wide concave to bifurcated base which can be thinned. Basal ears are rounded to pointed.

HERNANDO - Location: Georgia, Alabama and Florida Description: A medium to large size, basal notched, triangular point with wide flaring tangs that may extend beyond the base. Side edges are straight to concave.

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Title: Re: July Challenge: ARREDONDO and/or HERNANDO
Post by: cowboy on June 25, 2009, 09:34:56 pm

Thanks Dana! I haven't looked at what these are made of yet but looks like I may need to FINALLY break into some of Eddie's coral ;D. This aught to be a fun challenge.

Title: Re: July Challenge: ARREDONDO and/or HERNANDO
Post by: ricktrojanowski on June 25, 2009, 09:42:25 pm

Dana- Is there a specific rock that has to be used or is it anything goes?

Title: Re: July Challenge: ARREDONDO and/or HERNANDO
Post by: cowboy on June 25, 2009, 09:47:29 pm

It's whatever ya got Rick :). I was just looking at where they originate and figure at least some of em have to be coral..

Title: Re: July Challenge: ARREDONDO and/or HERNANDO
Post by: mullet on June 25, 2009, 10:01:21 pm

 A lot of the ones I have found in Florida are made of Translucent coral or heat treated chert, like what Wade stole from Disney. ;) I north fl., you will find them made from Coastal Plains. And I used to find quite a few Hernando's with vry good, serrations. The high$ Arredondo's are thin, and translucent. Overstreet doesn't have many good ones. ;D

Title: Re: July Challenge: ARREDONDO and/or HERNANDO
Post by: nugget on June 25, 2009, 10:43:50 pm

I am going to try to make both, but they will probably be out of obsidian. My supply of knappables is getting LOW.

Title: Re: July Challenge: ARREDONDO and/or HERNANDO
Post by: FlintWalker on June 26, 2009, 01:25:18 am

I reckon I'll get this rat killin started ;D
 Good 'ol Sonora flint. 

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Title: Re: July Challenge: ARREDONDO and/or HERNANDO
Post by: Pappy on June 26, 2009, 05:26:48 am

Beautiful point Shanon.Very nice. :)
   Pappy

Title: Re: July Challenge: ARREDONDO and/or HERNANDO
Post by: DanaM on June 26, 2009, 07:11:53 am

Beautiful point Shannon.

Title: Re: July Challenge: ARREDONDO and/or HERNANDO
Post by: Timo on June 26, 2009, 07:40:20 am

Shannon,read the topic..July!! ;D Just had to go ahead and get started didn't ya.... Well ya done good son.Very nicely done! ;)

Title: Re: July Challenge: ARREDONDO and/or HERNANDO
Post by: Bone pile on June 26, 2009, 08:23:32 am

Man I musta not heard the starting gun ;) that's OK  I'll try to catch up later.Nice looking point there,were is that sonora flint from ?It looks like some great material
Bone pile

Title: Re: July Challenge: ARREDONDO and/or HERNANDO
Post by: cowboy on June 26, 2009, 08:41:31 am

OOh Shannon - your gettin them flakes tight and them edges straight ;D. That's a beauty and some pretty rock!

Title: Re: July Challenge: ARREDONDO and/or HERNANDO
Post by: Bone pile on June 26, 2009, 08:18:28 pm

Ok you hit my favorite point right between the notches.So I've been busy .........................not
(http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk33/Bonepile/junepoints015.jpg)
the Hernando pile

Title: Re: July Challenge: ARREDONDO and/or HERNANDO
Post by: knap_123 on June 26, 2009, 08:25:17 pm

how many flakes do you usually remove on your notches. i was told once tha its usually 3 flakes on  each  side . wich wouald be 12 flakes total  removed on the point.. or does it matter

Title: Re: July Challenge: ARREDONDO and/or HERNANDO
Post by: cowboy on June 26, 2009, 08:26:38 pm

Ya'll may not have much rock in FL, but ya sure got some purty one's :). Course I guess those could be from anywhere - Like that pile of Hernando's regardless. Niceun's ;).

Title: Re: July Challenge: ARREDONDO and/or HERNANDO
Post by: Bone pile on June 26, 2009, 08:33:38 pm

that's a blend of coral and a few burlingtons,I like the colors.I think,and I could be wrong,but the hernandos were before heat treating was the norm.so I recon I cheated.I wanted to show what I had lying around so I'll have to knapp more
Bone pile

Title: Re: July Challenge: ARREDONDO and/or HERNANDO
Post by: sailordad on June 27, 2009, 02:12:08 pm

well i know it aint quit July as of yet but i was on a roll today
actualy i had two first today
 the first of the first was, i used some unheated picture jasper. a slab of course,that all i use because i buy my stuff at a rcok shop and cant spal worth a crap.
 the second of the first was, it was the first time that i broke a point nad glued it bck together.normally i would of just reduced it and made a smaller point.
but this was tooo nice ,atleast for my limited abilities.
i know there are a few flat spots from the saw yet,onlt cause i was afraid of breaking it in half if i tried to get any more of them out.
it actually broke when i was doing the very last flake in the last notch,thats wht i glued it back together.

heres a pic,i guess it would the "Hernando" style of point.
this along with 3 others that are finished,and other yet to be made will be going in a trade so i hope he wont be disappointed with this or the others.

(http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/449/1000438t.jpg)

Title: Re: July Challenge: ARREDONDO and/or HERNANDO
Post by: cowboy on June 27, 2009, 03:27:53 pm

That's some purty rock and a nice point Tim!

Title: Re: July Challenge: ARREDONDO and/or HERNANDO
Post by: redwasp on June 27, 2009, 11:05:43 pm

nice work everyone, I thought it was going to be quartzite this month...... but this will more than suffice ;D. Just got back from Bald Eagle knap in learned alot from Arey and a guy named Tim picked up some dogwood billets to work the quartz I have some Perdenales, some flint ridge and some Osage from chessieboy. didnt bring my tools with me brought my wife lol. so tomorrow I can start making gravel.

Title: Re: July Challenge: ARREDONDO and/or HERNANDO
Post by: DanaM on June 28, 2009, 06:33:35 am

Good work guys, the points are all sweet. 8)

Title: Re: July Challenge: ARREDONDO and/or HERNANDO
Post by: Timo on June 28, 2009, 08:54:34 am

Bone pile,. them is nice uns! I can tell they are one of your fav points to make...

Sailor,That one looks perty good.I like the mat..

I'll give these a go later.

Title: Re: July Challenge: ARREDONDO and/or HERNANDO
Post by: DanaM on July 01, 2009, 08:19:34 am

ttt

Title: Re: July Challenge: ARREDONDO and/or HERNANDO
Post by: Bone pile on July 01, 2009, 08:30:02 am

Well it's July so I'll throw my first one in,It's one that I did for pith,gotta throw it in the mail
(http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk33/Bonepile/junehernando007.jpg)
It's pinhead coral,one of my last pieces :-\I'll have to start searchin'all the joints in town for pinhead red
(http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk33/Bonepile/junehernando001.jpg)
I hope to do some knappin' this weekend,every idiot with a boat and a beer will be one the water this weekend so the fishin' will suck.
Stay cool
Bone pile

Title: Re: July Challenge: ARREDONDO and/or HERNANDO
Post by: Timo on July 01, 2009, 08:34:02 am

Great loolking point and very nice material Bone!

I guess I'll try these points now that July has come. ;)

Title: Re: July Challenge: ARREDONDO and/or HERNANDO
Post by: DanaM on July 01, 2009, 07:58:17 pm

Aesome point Roger is that Coral ???

Title: Re: July Challenge: ARREDONDO and/or HERNANDO
Post by: redwasp on July 01, 2009, 08:12:36 pm

 do these count? Still not the greatest knapper in the world but these are my attempt. Flint ridge I got from Bald Eagle Knap in(http://i683.photobucket.com/albums/vv199/Richard_redwasp/Picture-1.jpg)

Title: Re: July Challenge: ARREDONDO and/or HERNANDO
Post by: mullet on July 01, 2009, 08:38:55 pm

  They look good to me.

Title: Re: July Challenge: ARREDONDO and/or HERNANDO
Post by: sailordad on July 01, 2009, 09:28:16 pm

redwasp nothing wrong with them points

i personally like the one on the left,love those streaks in the material

Title: Re: July Challenge: ARREDONDO and/or HERNANDO
Post by: redwasp on July 01, 2009, 09:53:18 pm

thanks guys, I've seen enough good knapping!!!  thought I'd make a contribution.. 8).. Hard for me to get the time but I have found that if I dont make the time My children will drive me  crazy. I have 6 kids and they try yo keep me busyier than I want to be.

Title: Re: July Challenge: ARREDONDO and/or HERNANDO
Post by: ricktrojanowski on July 01, 2009, 10:14:43 pm

Redwasp
Nice points.  I hear ya on the kids.  I only have two, can't imagine six.  :o,  Sorry I didn't get a chance to meet up with you at Bald Eagle. 

Title: Re: July Challenge: ARREDONDO and/or HERNANDO
Post by: cowboy on July 02, 2009, 11:38:09 pm

Holy cow, I gotta get busy :). Beautiful Roger, as usual. Great work redwasp - keep on knappin. I started 5 today and broke em all, one of those - lay it down and go do something else days..

Title: Re: July Challenge: ARREDONDO and/or HERNANDO
Post by: Allen7 on July 04, 2009, 03:17:13 am

Happy Forth of July!    I'll try and complete a couple this weekend.   All I have is Obsidian.    These Arredondo and Hernando points seem quite large.    Were these originally used as Atlatl points?

Allen

Title: Re: July Challenge: ARREDONDO and/or HERNANDO
Post by: DanaM on July 04, 2009, 06:41:15 am

Look good to me redwasp, hoping to do some knapping today at work while making triple time for the holiday ;D

Title: Re: July Challenge: ARREDONDO and/or HERNANDO
Post by: redwasp on July 04, 2009, 12:35:47 pm

triple time is good, then you can buy more rock lol. sorry you have to work.

Title: Re: July Challenge: ARREDONDO and/or HERNANDO
Post by: DanaM on July 04, 2009, 12:48:58 pm

No big deal working today I'm done at 2PM and I just chipped a arrendodo and a hernando out  ;D

Title: Re: July Challenge: ARREDONDO and/or HERNANDO
Post by: Jaeger on July 04, 2009, 05:27:05 pm

a piece of glass attempt

Title: Re: July Challenge: ARREDONDO and/or HERNANDO
Post by: Bone pile on July 04, 2009, 07:01:19 pm

oooh I like that glass one.Since I mailed my last hernando off I made another one this time I used some Fla coastal that I had in the Pile.And I tried a Arredondo having never seen one I hope this is close.
(http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk33/Bonepile/julyclalange005.jpg)
Yall have a great weekend,don't blow yerselves up :o
Bone pile

Title: Re: July Challenge: ARREDONDO and/or HERNANDO
Post by: Timo on July 04, 2009, 07:38:48 pm

Man Bone, your arredondo is nice! Lots better than mine. I like it.

Here is my attempt at both points.I have never made these types before so be easy on me.  :P I also didn't have any native material so I used Peoria.



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Title: Re: July Challenge: ARREDONDO and/or HERNANDO
Post by: Timo on July 04, 2009, 07:41:51 pm

I see now that I should have made my edges a more eliptical?

Title: Re: July Challenge: ARREDONDO and/or HERNANDO
Post by: Jaeger on July 04, 2009, 08:20:15 pm

Beautiful points fellas  I dont have my rock yet so I am playing with somthing easy to chip a piece of glass.

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Title: Re: July Challenge: ARREDONDO and/or HERNANDO
Post by: nugget on July 05, 2009, 12:59:51 am

Jaeger, those look like ghost points. Very cool by all so far. I have been trying to make something worth posting. So far they have been broken or turned out not looking like either of the challenge points. I wil keep trying.
TJ

Title: Re: July Challenge: ARREDONDO and/or HERNANDO
Post by: DanaM on July 05, 2009, 06:59:07 am

Well done guys, I will try and get some pics up today :)
Leaving monday for a week, going camping of course the knapping gear will be going camping also :D

Title: Re: July Challenge: ARREDONDO and/or HERNANDO
Post by: Hillbilly on July 05, 2009, 09:32:12 am

Man, y'all are crankin' out some nice work, I gotta get busy. Roger, those are absolutely perfect, look like they were transported through time.

Title: Re: July Challenge: ARREDONDO and/or HERNANDO
Post by: redwasp on July 05, 2009, 02:17:32 pm

nice points guys. What kinda light did you put that glass over? really cool effect. bone pile them are perfect. looks like I made mine to small have to try again.

Title: Re: July Challenge: ARREDONDO and/or HERNANDO
Post by: Jaeger on July 05, 2009, 02:24:00 pm

ceiling fan light , those glass slabs are easy but crumbly if you have been chipping creek rock.I think glass is probably the easiest  stuff to try.

Title: Re: July Challenge: ARREDONDO and/or HERNANDO
Post by: Outbackbob48 on July 05, 2009, 08:28:08 pm

I finally got some time this weekend to attempt some points, Just can,t seem to keep my points as clean as some others posted on here. Well here's my attempt anyways. Later Bob

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Title: Re: July Challenge: ARREDONDO and/or HERNANDO
Post by: mullet on July 05, 2009, 08:33:36 pm

 Those are some great points, everybody. Roger, that Arredondo is dead on. I've been too busy getting ready for hunting season, I got to sit down and chip some. Dang, I'm starting to sound like Tiller ;).

Title: Re: July Challenge: ARREDONDO and/or HERNANDO
Post by: redwasp on July 05, 2009, 09:01:58 pm

I like that point mine always end up smaller than that. one day I 'll make a larger point.

Title: Re: July Challenge: ARREDONDO and/or HERNANDO
Post by: Timo on July 05, 2009, 11:57:51 pm

Outback,you got that thing perty thin! If you learn to push in with pressure more,(toward the center of the point) then you will learn that your flakes will travel farther and you can clean some of those area up. Give it time, it will come.

Title: Re: July Challenge: ARREDONDO and/or HERNANDO
Post by: Outbackbob48 on July 06, 2009, 09:15:50 pm

Timo, thanks for the tip, an yeah I want to make a thin clean perfect symentry point. Hope I live long enough to reach this goal, guess I,m just getting antsy, Thanks Again. Later Bob

Title: Re: July Challenge: ARREDONDO and/or HERNANDO
Post by: FlintWalker on July 06, 2009, 10:48:07 pm

Bob, I get most of my hinges/steps when I don't pay attention to how well my platform is ground. Good platforms well below center seems to get the flakes traveling farther for me.  Also, I can't get away with using a very sharp pressure flaker either. ???

Title: Re: July Challenge: ARREDONDO and/or HERNANDO
Post by: Outbackbob48 on July 07, 2009, 06:18:26 pm

Thanks Shannon, After you mentioned it I don,t think I,m setting my platforms below center enough especially when they start getting thin an flat. Thanks Bob

Title: Re: July Challenge: ARREDONDO and/or HERNANDO
Post by: cowboy on July 07, 2009, 08:10:20 pm

Them look good Bob! All good advice there.

Title: Re: July Challenge: ARREDONDO and/or HERNANDO
Post by: Allen7 on July 10, 2009, 02:56:32 am

Here are a couple of my Hernando points I did over July 4th.   These started from nodules we collected at Glass Buttes.   Had surgery on the ankle to remove screw, yesterday.  Now its sore and swollen again.  However,  it is another step towards recovery.

Allen

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Title: Re: July Challenge: ARREDONDO and/or HERNANDO
Post by: Timo on July 10, 2009, 07:56:07 am

Nice points Allen! I hope you  heal quick.

Title: Re: July Challenge: ARREDONDO and/or HERNANDO
Post by: cowboy on July 10, 2009, 08:10:34 am

Them look just like the pictures Allen - nice work!

Title: Re: July Challenge: ARREDONDO and/or HERNANDO
Post by: redwasp on July 12, 2009, 12:53:24 am

Those look like twins, very nice

Title: Re: July Challenge: ARREDONDO and/or HERNANDO
Post by: Bone pile on July 13, 2009, 08:28:27 am

Lookin' good allen,one of my favorite points .cool seeing them made from different materials
Bone pile

Title: Re: July Challenge: ARREDONDO and/or HERNANDO
Post by: DanaM on July 13, 2009, 12:03:45 pm

Nice points guys, I will try and get some pictures of mine up in the next day or so.
Was camping for a week and managed to beat on some rock amongst all the other fun :)

Title: Re: July Challenge: ARREDONDO and/or HERNANDO
Post by: Allen7 on July 14, 2009, 02:04:45 am

Here are my attempts at an Arredondo.   I have never seen these or tried to make one.   I am not to sure about correct size.   I've only seen the photos posted here.  These are both from Glass Buttes Obsidian and about 2 inches long.   I like the Mahogany one.

Allen Minton - Happy Knapper

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Title: Re: July Challenge: ARREDONDO and/or HERNANDO
Post by: GregB on July 14, 2009, 08:27:09 am

Yall are all turning out lots of beauties this month! ;)

Title: Re: July Challenge: ARREDONDO and/or HERNANDO
Post by: leapingbare on July 14, 2009, 12:02:01 pm

cool points guys.

Title: Re: July Challenge: ARREDONDO and/or HERNANDO
Post by: DanaM on July 14, 2009, 07:41:33 pm

Allrighty then here's my two cents worth :)
A Arrendondo from some raw cowboy flint and a Hernando from some Justinite obsidian.
Made these while camping last week :)

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Title: Re: July Challenge: ARREDONDO and/or HERNANDO
Post by: ricktrojanowski on July 14, 2009, 10:45:22 pm

Nice work Dana,  I thought for sure you were going to give the 'ol Yooperite a go. ;D

Title: Re: July Challenge: ARREDONDO and/or HERNANDO
Post by: FlintWalker on July 14, 2009, 10:59:41 pm

Them look good Dana. Now your finger...that looks rough. ;D

Title: Re: July Challenge: ARREDONDO and/or HERNANDO
Post by: Timo on July 14, 2009, 11:11:35 pm

Dito on the finger dude! Dang,looks like you been useing it for a billet! ;D

Points look real nice Dana.

Title: Re: July Challenge: ARREDONDO and/or HERNANDO
Post by: El Destructo on July 14, 2009, 11:48:18 pm

                                        Dems jest Dry Cracks......all True Yoopers get dem........... :D

Title: Re: July Challenge: ARREDONDO and/or HERNANDO
Post by: FlintWalker on July 15, 2009, 12:01:10 am

Destructo, you ever get any of that O'Keefes?  It'll fix that ya know ;)

Title: Re: July Challenge: ARREDONDO and/or HERNANDO
Post by: El Destructo on July 15, 2009, 12:07:45 am

Quote from: Saw Filer on July 15, 2009, 12:01:10 am

Destructo, you ever get any of that O'Keefes?  It'll fix that ya know ;)

Yeah....and it does work.....when you remember to put it on............. ::)

Title: Re: July Challenge: ARREDONDO and/or HERNANDO
Post by: Outbackbob48 on July 15, 2009, 01:21:47 am

Hey Dana, Nice lookin points an the fingers, well they look pretty much like mine, all beat to yell. Nothing a little bit of bag balm can,t fix. Later Bob

Title: Re: July Challenge: ARREDONDO and/or HERNANDO
Post by: DanaM on July 15, 2009, 01:55:37 pm

Thanks guys as fer the fingers one or more are generally dry and cracked, but its better than baby soft bankers hands ;) :D

Title: Re: July Challenge: ARREDONDO and/or HERNANDO
Post by: Bone pile on July 15, 2009, 03:03:03 pm

Dana ,yeah between the lab chems,chlorine ,polymer and powdered gloves it's a wonder we have fingers.Nice job on those points look like the real Mcoyto me.
Bone pile

Title: Re: July Challenge: ARREDONDO and/or HERNANDO
Post by: DanaM on July 21, 2009, 12:17:43 pm

Wondering where everyone's entries are ??? Come on guys July is almost done :o

Title: Re: July Challenge: ARREDONDO and/or HERNANDO
Post by: Outbackbob48 on July 21, 2009, 09:18:25 pm

Here's one more Dana, Not to pretty an not real thin but I got,  er done before rain set in again. This is some Texas Perd that I got from Erics. Thanks for looking. Later Bob

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Title: Re: July Challenge: ARREDONDO and/or HERNANDO
Post by: cowboy on July 22, 2009, 07:45:21 am

Them look good Dana and Bob! That raw TX ain't bad if ya got the right stuff, but a bear if ya don't. I'm running behind I know - been kinda preoccupied latetly ::).

Title: Re: July Challenge: ARREDONDO and/or HERNANDO
Post by: DanaM on July 22, 2009, 10:59:51 am

Thats a beauty bob :)

Title: Re: July Challenge: ARREDONDO and/or HERNANDO
Post by: J. DEMPLER on July 24, 2009, 09:19:51 am

Here are my sad attempts.   :-[ One is Keokuk and the other is green glass.
(http://i624.photobucket.com/albums/tt328/JDEMPLER/100_2792.jpg)
(http://i624.photobucket.com/albums/tt328/JDEMPLER/100_2791.jpg)

Title: Re: July Challenge: ARREDONDO and/or HERNANDO
Post by: DanaM on July 24, 2009, 09:55:21 am

Nothing wrong with those, well done eh :)