Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Around the Campfire => Topic started by: NOMADIC PIRATE on February 25, 2010, 01:53:08 am
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The last few months I opened a few doors that kept surprising me with what I found behind them.
I first got me a nice airgun for hunting Doves in the AG land behind my house, I slowly learned and discovered things I had no idea existed, now I'm fully commited to hunt big game with airguns.
I spend the last few months dialying in several different airguns, and will start hunting with them in the near future, what I like about them is that they are still pretty quiet and llike bows you need to get farely close to your quarry, what they will do for mme is the fact that with bow and arrow often I get close to pigs but they hang out inside the Guava patches and I just can't thread an arrow in there even at 10 yards, but with a scoped airgun will give me that opportunity as well as the head shot.
my main hunting airguns will be a .45 cal rifle, a 9mm rifle, and a 9mm pistol
I've being supplying the kitchen with Doves from the buffer in between my house and the AG land
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AWESOME! Ive never actually hunted with an air gun but I've always wanted to...sounds like a lot of fun and with the noise reduction you may be able to take a few down with no problem. I hope you don't give up the archery though we sure would miss you around here!
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That looks pretty nice. Is that a brine? Makes me hungry. You got some nice decorative neck feathers there too. One of these days Ill get around to makeing a air gun. There are lots of lethal variations on the simple spud gun. I'd bet, given the very idea of fire pistons, one could be done done primitative too out of boo or wood, though Id have to learn on pvc or abs.
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Ho no, archery is still my main thing, this is just a supplement to fill voids ;)
Wolfsire, I gave the dove the wild boar treatment, ice water and balsamic vinegar, pig meat sits in it 2 days, the dove 2 hours ;D
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I saw a hunting show that featured air guns they dropped a pig in its tracks from about 15 feet with a shot to the ear :o
Air guns have come along way eh
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cool. never even knew they made airguns of those callibers. i have slain many squirrels with my little benjamin though. ;D
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that is some tasty looking grub.
I love my airguns. great around my suburban neighborhood.
My favorite is my airforce condor. 22 cal. got it dialed in modded up and it is quiet as a brad gun and accurate out to 75 yds or more. I mean I can put 8 out of 10 in a quarter shooting off a bench at 50+ yds.
Its awesome for small game up to coon sized critters.
Would love to play with some of the larger cal airguns.
Airguns are tons of fun.
Nice haul.
N2
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i need to get one thats more accurate than this piece of crap i have. where can you get a good air gun?
air guns have been around for a long time. they were used 100's of years ago. they ran them off a tank that was brazed together. get like 15-20 shots i think off one tank. they didnt use them that much because it took like 1500 pumps to pump up the tank..
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Manny, High power air rifles are great. I grew up hunting everything with them and used to bring home allot of pheasant and quail with them. I really like the RWS models and years ago discovered a little secret by accident.
I had run out of gun oil to clean the air rifle and so I used some WD-40 ;D On the next shot it went off like a 22 rim fire. Puzzled it dawned on me that the friction in the barrel must have ignited. So another drop down the barrel of WD-40 and again it made a quiet but noticeable bang. I set up some phone books and discovered that I was getting about double the pentration when i used the WD trick. Not sure what the muzzle velocity was but normal was 1200 FPS and with the WD it would absolutely splatter a pellet on a steel plate. After a year or so I eventually blew out the seals but it was fun while it lasted. ;D
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Manny, are you plucking those dove to get the breast out? If you are it is fast and easy to push your thumb under the breast bone and bend it backwards till it breaks. You can keep pulling and the meat will come out without the feathers or skin. I used to shoot my airgun but it was too loud to shoot in my backyard. I figured out how to quiet my 22 rifle so it sounds like a BB gun going off so I use it for squirrels. Who makes the 45 cal airgun?
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that is some tasty looking grub.
I love my airguns. great around my suburban neighborhood.
My favorite is my airforce condor. 22 cal. got it dialed in modded up and it is quiet as a brad gun and accurate out to 75 yds or more. I mean I can put 8 out of 10 in a quarter shooting off a bench at 50+ yds.
Its awesome for small game up to coon sized critters.
Would love to play with some of the larger cal airguns.
Airguns are tons of fun.
Nice haul.
N2
Wade, is that the one I shot? Awesome gun.
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You right Eddie, but I likr to keep the skin and legs/wings too ;D
A couple of Americans are making Big bore airguns, high quality more custom made style, Koreans have being making and hunting big bore for generations
the bige bore airguns are PCP (precharged Pneumatics) you can fill with a scuba tank or a hand pump, you get multiple shots, my 9mm lever action rifle get 15 high power shoots, perfect to go hunting big birds, my .45 cal gets 4 full power and a few nice back ups, 9mm pistol 3 full power.
the .45 is good for pigs up to 50 yards, not to shabby for a BB gun he ? ;D ;D
Koreans make some awsome .25 cal repeters lever action
common calibers are .308 .32 .9mm (.36) .45 .50
LOL keenan, there's allways a trade off
aero86, can't post other sites on PA, send me a PM and I give you some pointers
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I'm with you 100% I quit rifle hunting 8 years ago.[selfbows 20 years]And have or had 3,177cals a 22 and even a 25This is how I started my oldest son.This is what got me started and seeing deer,hogs,rams killed american air gunner on TV for the last year.And I've never killed a deer with and air gun and I have a 9 year old son and this will be a good way for him to start deer hunting.Last week I wrote a post about it on WVSPORTSMEN sence then I had a guy email me and I went a shoot his 50 cal Queckmen and I'M TOTALLY SOLD.
185 gr round ball toped off at 3000 pis Touched holes at 30,1"groups at 50 and 5 shot group 1 1/2"s at 75 yards with a 2 1/2 inch flyer.This was as long as his range was.But said he shot it at 150 4 inch groups and he said he sucked.Filled it with a suba tank.But said he had pumps to carry in his pack deer hunting.He's killed 3 doe's longest 60 yards.ALL 3 WERE SHOT THROUGH THE SHOLDER AND WHEN STRAIGHT DOWN.These 3 were shot with a different gun[50cal] that wasn't as good he said.Very nice and well built gun 3 x 9 from a distance it looked like a high cal rifle.I've even see some vido's of 500 yard guns.I'm like you I'm getting a 45 cal.By next fall to deer hunt with.
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Yeah DAQ's are great guns, he makes a mean .457, It's just hard to get on his list and are expensive, I was real lucky to score a 9mm handgun used, shootin 116gr hollopoints will be great for close range headshots , ho yeah it's scoped ;)
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And today i got a couple more with my .22, the .22 is so powerfull that is almost an overkill, the chick wasn't supposed to die, but the pellet past thru the Dove and killed the young one behind, I saw the Dove take off in the scope and all of a sudden in her place there was a chick kicking, I was , What the ... ??? ?
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my dads girlfriends son had a .22 benjamin (yeah i know thats low end compared to yours, but still) and when he would shoot a squirrel 30 yars away with that flat head .22 you could litterally hear it hit the squirrel. cool stuff.
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my dads girlfriends son had a .22 benjamin (yeah i know thats low end compared to yours, but still) and when he would shoot a squirrel 30 yars away with that flat head .22 you could litterally hear it hit the squirrel. cool stuff.
i have that same rifle ;) ;D ;D i think if i get close enough i can kill a deer with it lol
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it deffinently packs a punch! pretty accurate to. ;D
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GEEEZ !! Manny we must be on the same wave length!! boy I have a lot to say!!! first did you guys know that Lewis and CLARK had an air rifle with them when they did their expedition!!! in 1804!! I bought a copy of the journals it's a copyright 1964 by John Bakeless it's a very good read, for me I'm not sure I like the way the natives were treated but what could I do now, any way I just bought a gomo express .22 rifle-shot gun combo!! yes I said shot gun!! that and my bows is all I have been using to small game hunt this winter I love this thing!! I bring my son with me he's 3 going on 16 ( I"M A BIG BOY.DADDY) as I haven't exposed him to the report of a real gun this is fine and when the game falls I try to keep that part out of sight for him I want to teach dignity to the animal but Manny this is a way cool way to hunt I think I know how you feel keep it going. buy the way how is that guava wood compared to hickory all way wondered sorry for the long rant JEFF W
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Lets hear more Jeff :)
I'm a newby at this, I'm getting it dialed in so I'm pretty stocked to hear too how many of you are kinda interested.
What I like about it too is that when I go bowhunting I can take tha 9mm pistol and in those cases when I have no chance threading an arrow ( and there's many) I can use the scoped pistol
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Hey, Trey and Sterling, all three deer I killed this year with my muzzle loaders was at 20 yards. Those air rifles will do the same. I just built a cabbage palm blind/hut and sat in a little beach chair and waited. Shot three turkeys out of the same blind.
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now thats my kinda hunting! sittin in a beach chair in a bungalo lol
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I also have a Benjamin .22 cal. air rifle. It needs a rear sight, and gaskets. But when I was a kid, it was BAD A$$!!! It was very accurate, and it most definitely packed a punch. I shot a dove, at about 30-40 yds, and the flat nosed pellet, went out the other side, taking about half of the right breast meat with it! :o That little single shot pump air rifle, put a lot of doves, quail, and Meadowlarks in the frying pan! ;) Oh yes, Meadowlarks are tasty. I want to get that gun fixed. There are a lot Grouse just waiting to go home with me in Montana! ;) So one of these days, I am going to have to get my Benjamin Franklin air rifle fixed. They are great guns. I would love to have a RWS model 48 in .22, but they are just too expensive. For what I would have to pay for one, I could buy a real rifle! But one of these days...... 8)
Wayne
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Yeah but a real rifle is noisy and bullets are expensive ;D
check out the Benjamin "Super Streak" .22 comes allready scoped at 300 bucks, thats the one I have that killed a chick after it went thru a dove, punches clean thru a 3/4" plywood from 35 yards
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Wow, N P, that punches pretty good ! :o But still in the pricey range. This old Benjamin, never had a scope, nor any place to put one. It is all brass, including the barrel. But it is exceedingly accurate, with the plain ol flat nosed skirted pellets. I will get it fixed, and use it. I would like to have a super streak, but like I said, it is a bit pricey for me. I am not working, so I don't have the money to splurge now. With that thing, you should go stalking a couple of Ne Ne's ! ;) If you have any where you are at.
Wayne
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I had a .22 break-action airgun that my dad gave me when I was growing up. I don't remember what brand it was, but it was pretty high-end. He got it in Germany when he was stationed there in the Air Force. It was about like a .22 rifle shooting shorts, I killed a bunch of rabbits, squirrels, and a couple groundhogs with it. It was destroyed in a house fire we had, wish I still had it.
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Years ago an old guy we really liked was retiring at the plant. I took up a collection from my fellow workers and bought him a Beman R-1 pellet rifle as a retirement gift. I had worked with him for years and he had mentioned he sure would have liked to own one but they cost too much.
This guy was really someone special. He was a WW2 vet, had his right leg badly mangled by a German 88 round, had trouble walking but never complained. He had almost all the muscles in his left shoulder removed because of a melanoma, never complained. I found out he had a secret after working with him for years, he had volunteered to counsel dying cancer patients. He may work all day and stay by the side or on the phone with a dying patient most of the night only to report to work the next day with little or no sleep, he never complained.
He developed prostate cancer after he moved away, the aggressive kind. He thought it would kill him so he called me from Springfield Mo one day and asked if he could leave his "bb gun" to me when he died. I told I would be honored by his gesture.
I live in Florence Al, at least an 8 hr drive from Springfield. The day after I talked to him there was a knock at my door, there was Harold, standing there with his rifle. He said he wanted to give it to me in person while he could. Like I said he was a special person.
He didn't die and is now 87.
Unfortunately the rifle is a really poor shooter, very inconsistent. I have never been able to shoot a decent group with it. It is one of my most prised possessions non the less.
Wish I could make it shoot better as it was the Cadillac of air rifles in it's day
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Eric, have you tried different brands of pellets, and different styles of pellets? Is it a multiple pump, or single. I can't remember that much about the Beeman, except that it was expensive at the time.
Wayne
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Wayne ...the Beeman R1 is a Single Shot...Single Pump....Spring Activated Pellet Rifle...about 950fps with the 22 model...I had a .177 model when I was younger....shot great though...but if you didn't keep the Barrel Clean...accuracy went by the wayside...so Eric...have you tried running a Brass Brush through it...with some Hoppes Solvent? this may improve the Accuracy of it....I can't see why it is inaccurate other than that...these are some Solid Rifles...with great Rifling....and Wayne...what size dove tail is in the Rifle Barrel on your Gun?? I may just have some sights for you....let me know........ send me a Model Number...and remember that on all Multi-Pump Pellet Rifles...when you are done shooting them...always pump them once to store them...keeps the Seals from Shrinking up on you...just a helpful hint that I learned a long time ago.......long time ago........ :P
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Thanks El D, but it doesn't have a dove tail slot, it has a flat bar screwed on the side with a slot in it to adjust the elevation, and the sight was just a round bar, with a V groove in it, that was screwed to the sliding bar on the side. You adjusted the windage with the screw. I have used the screw cap from a spark plug once and it it worked, ok, but I would like to put the original sights on it. It needs to be completely rebuilt on the inside. All the gaskets, and seals, are dried, and or rotted, and are no good.
Wayne
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Erik, german guns have real good records, could be a Beeman or a Weirhuck or a Diana (RWS),........ definatly pellets make a huge difference with my .177, .....7.4gr pellets where horrible, 9.6gr better, than I tryed 10.5gr hollopoints and are awsome.
on my .22 I shoot 14.3gr hollopoints and they are good, but I'm sure if I whent up in weight a bit it probably be better.
Airguns need very little cleaning, sorry Mike but a brass brush is to much, the softer steel of the airguns need a Nylon brush, RWS has a nice kit for sale with instruction how to care foe a springer
.....HO well we are under a Tsunami watch so I have to start evacuations prosedures,...see ya later
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Forgot to mention, ........................pointed pellets are the worst accurate ones, you gotta stray away from them, best hunting compromise are the doomed or hollopoints
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never seen a rifled Steel arrel that a Bras Brush would hurt...been using them all my life in all guns ...from BB to 50 caliber...brass is stoo soft to hurt a Steel barrel
Hope the Big Wave misses you....... ;D
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Airguns need real little cleaning, they actually like and trive by the lubrication given by the lead pellets, when I first started I treated them as I did real rifles, I was overdoing it and experiance much less accuracy every time I whent to shoot, untill I got several pellets thru than accuracy improved drammaticaly.
Mike you check maintenance tips from manufacturers and the brass brush is a no no ;)
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The .177 is really good for pest control too ;D
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This little gun with the 10.5gr Hollopoint it's awsome on birds, just bowls them over, my freezer is getting quite full with delicious Doves, allmost ready for a big cookout and get some of those that never thought about getting theyr food anywher else than the supermarket try the goodnes of the wild ;D ;D
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Manny, don't get wet, we felt a little jiggle here.
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Hey, surfs up...... ::) Head for the Mountains Manny, and take your bow, and arrows with you....... ;) Yeah, Eddie, I was going to ask if you got any tremors......Ooohh tremors, ever see those movies. :o....now there is something I would not want to have to shoot with a bow and arrow :o......
Wayne
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What an anticlimatic day, all ready to go and nothing happened, not even a ripple ::) ::) i like some caos now and again ;D
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Got plenty in Chile, It's been on the local news all day.
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Just sent back a .177 Browning break barrel pistol. The pellet gun came with a hand held extension tube that you fitted over the muzzle to give enough leverage to cock the piece. The problem is that the front sight is a sleeve fitted over the barrel and held in place with two set screws. The extension sleeve torqued the front sight sleeve and in twenty rounds the front sight sleeve came loose twice. Bad Design!!! The pistol was accurate and had plenty of power to bad I couldn't keep it.
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Hey Grunt...it wasn't the Browning 800 was it?? My Brother has one of them....and He kills Squirrels...Snowshoe Hare...and Skunks and Coons with His....he loves it with Pellets
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Was a 700 series I think . Like I said good accurate and powerfull. I was looking at the longevity of the gun. Didn't even come with an allen wrench to retighten the front sight sleeeve.
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If you want a good powerfull springer handgun try the HW45, ....but look into PCP handguns, I totally different realm ;)
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I was lucky enought today to be able to take a 20 yard shot at a wild rooster, the .177 cal 10.5gr hollowpoint shot at the head dropped the rooster right there
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I have a RWS Dianna model 48 in .22 cal and I like it alot.
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That is what I want! 8) But I can't afford one. :( :'( Maybe I shouldn't have based my retirement on the Powerball, and the Lottery....... ::)
Wayne
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Yeah, those German rifles are supposed to be top noch ;)
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wow. seems like everyone likes the .22s. i love my .177, killed tons of squirels, robins (yea yea i know. dont shoot them anymore though) dove, ect. works for me. good for 30 or 40 yards. all this talk has me wanting to get that gasket fixed and start poppin critters with it again. ;D
and that .22 benjamin that the step brother had is now my dads. he carrys it around in his truck. he's told me storys about walkin out of a bar to talk on the phone, seeing a rabit back behind it, grabbin the air rifle and getting supper. ;D ;D
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I think they both do the business on that size critter.
some pest control with the .22 yesterday
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do you eat these Birds??
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Nomad, what kinda bird is that? Kinda looks like a cross between a Minah, and a blue Jay...... ;D Yeah, the .177 is a good pellet rifle, but I just like the .22 better, it has more oomph, when it is needed. A friend of mine had an RWS in .177 and it would almost go through a piece of 1/8 " thick aluminum angle bar. But when he put the pellet in and then put a squirt of lighter fluid in behind it, and fired it, the lighter fluid ignited like a diesel, and it would just punch a clean round hole through it. I wouldn't reccommend it though, I don't know if it would shorten the life span of the gaskets. But, it really isn't going on the gasket. Might damage a seal in the chamber thought. Not sure. It would produce a blue flame at the muzzle upon firing......It was a superb little gun. But I definitely want an RWS Model 48, but like I said, I just can't afford one now. Maybe in the future...... ;) Recurve, when I was a little kid, around five or six, we had a couple of big Brazilian pepper trees, (Florida Holley ) and every Winter around Christmas time the Robins would come down, and they would just cover those trees, well we ate a whole bunch of Robins each year. My little Daisey BB gun did the job quite well. My Dad, really enjoyed it, and so did I. We would just sit under or around those trees, and load up. :) Robins eat pretty good. So do Meadowlarks. ;) Used to hunt meadowlarks with my Daisey, up till I was about 14 or so. No complaints about the noise, or my shooting around the houses, near the fields where the Meadowlarks were. Times have unfortunately changed now, and if you even look like you have a gun, the swat team is ushered out to your location. Ah, Robins, and Meadowlarks...... :) Haven't eaten any of either since I was a kid, but I do remember that they were good. Especially the Meadowlarks. ;)
By the Way, Meadowlarks occasionally get ticks. So just check them before you dump them in the bag, or put them near you.
Wayne
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Yea, Wayne, we used to get free 410 shells just to walk the Strawberry fields before picking season just slaying Robins. They were good, hard to tell between a dove. Now all the farmers can use is noise cannons.
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Old Man Alvedisy (old world Italian) used to pay me .50 for a Snowshoe Hare....and.25 for a Robin...and .10 for Blackbirds....He used to eat them in Pies and Stew....He paid more for the Robin's...because....they are the Michigan State Bird... ::)...man Me and my Beeman .177 Pellet Rifle made all kinds of Money....until one Day...I was looking out the Bathroom Window...and Spied my Sister Sandy sunning in the Back Yard...and I planted a Red Fuzzy Dart in Her Left Buttocks....well when the Old Man got Home form Work (Patrol Cop back then)...He took Me and the Pellet Rifle out back...beat the pellet Rifle into pieces on the Back Steps (concrete)...then reddened my Ass with the Leftover piece of Stock.....so that was the end of My Money making Spring and Summer that year....... >:(
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That "pest" bird looks like some type of white wing starling to me.
Most likely a import species.
David
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Mike, Why would you shoot your sister in the Butt? That's funny, glad neither butt belonged to me. :o
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Eddie...are so old that You can't remember the things that used to run through the Mind of a 12 year old Male........ ;D
Nuff Said.......... >:D
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I don't think I was ever like that. ::) ::) ;D
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I was a Deviant...... ;D
But I have been rehabilitated........... O:)
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That's a Mynah, or Indian Mynah, along with mongoose classified as pest here, so I do some pest control in between putting the doves and chickens in the freezer,......no I dont eat them :)
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I didn't even recognize it from the picture, Manny. When I was growing up you used to see a lot of them in Florida. They were a non-native pest then, too. A couple of good freezes took care of them here. ;D
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Eddie, apparently, you missed my post above....... ::) That was I thought it was. Some kind of Minah, or mix. Sounds like I could get into the siesta thing down there. Eat and sleep. 8) Hmmmm, not a bad idea.......could be the local herbs........ ::)
Manny, try eating one and see what they taste like. Could be a delicacy. ;) Then again,it could be like fried buzzard. ;) But I would think it would be tasty. So try one, and let us know. Try a couple. One fried, one broiled. :)
Wayne
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Birds all taste the same. If they fly, it's Red meat, like dove. If they stay on the ground and run, it's like quail, or turkey, white meat in the breast, IT's all the same.
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Birds all taste the same. If they fly, it's Red meat, like dove. If they stay on the ground and run, it's like quail, or turkey, white meat in the breast, IT's all the same.
i agree. when i was a kid i hunted and ate ever bird i could find. really liked bluejay and cane thrasher or whatever the heck you call them lol.
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Well talked about it with fellow Kiwis, on a airgunning forum, ( they kill lots of Mynahs down there)....the consensus is that the bird isn't good to eat, ...I'm sticking to my delicious Doves and Chickens ;D ;D
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Everything is good, wrapped in Bacon. ;D
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Everything is good, wrapped in Bacon. ;D
Or fried in butter. ;)
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One guy had a nice recepy, all kinds of chopped veggies, chopped bacon, simmer for a wile, make sure you ad an ax handle to the pot, .......when everything is cooked throw the bird away and eat the ax handle ;)
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Nomad, that recipie is the same for Mudfish here (Bowfin). ;D Except you cook it on a cedar plank. ;)
Wayne
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Nomad, that recipie is the same for Mudfish here (Bowfin). ;D Except you cook it on a cedar plank. ;)
Wayne
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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The only thing, Wayne, is Bowfin cleaned and iced down as soon as you catch them taste like Flounder when cooked.
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Well there you go, I learned something today. ;) I am going to have hang around you more often...... 8) I guess it is like gar, I never would have thought of eating one, till I talked to people that said that they are delicious. The slime on them stinks. The same with Mud fish. Nasty looking critters, with all those nasty little teeth, and it's prehistoric appearance. Well if I ever catch another one, I will have to try that. I have not even seen one since I was a little kid.
Wayne
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Yep...Gar and Bowfin are good as Patties...and like Eddie said...catch en...kill em...fillet em...Ice em or freeze em...and they eat great...you can make Stew....Fillets.... Patties...Balls...or my Favorite...beer batter Fried...if you are going to make Patties out of it...take the meat...and drag a Spoon across it to scrape all of the Meat off of the Connective Tissues first...this makes for some really tender Meat for either Patties or Balls....try it......... :P
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One sure fire way to make you want to eat a mudfish it to lip it when you remove the hook. Then you'll want pay back! ;)
Swamp