Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Cave Men only "Oooga Booga" => Topic started by: jamie on April 02, 2010, 08:45:54 am
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rebuilding this one in a different spot and then replacing it with a reed house. bark on this one is fine but the frame let go inside and out, so i wont have to harvest bark for this one. started gathering poles and peeling and burnin the ends wednesday. have 20 prepped and will need about 30 more for the bark wigwam. the reed one will take about 30.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=923PkFv2Mwk
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Jamie, You seem to have lots of energy. Do you every work man! ;D Cool stuff you do up there. ;)
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Work sucks right now tim and this is a paying gig so I aint complaining. =)
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did you just say your getting paid to do that?
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Jamie, your skills are what most wanna be outdoor survivalist only dream of. Says allot that you actually get payed to do such neat stuff
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That is my kind of paying gig.
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these are being built for a museum out here. paying gigs arent that often. id do this for free and be happy with it too
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i dont mind being a mechanic, but thats a great job! maybe i can do something like that for my museum!
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Jamie, Was wondering how well wigwam hold up to heavy snow cover, I guess if I lived in one full time just shovel off wet heavy snow We had real lot of snow here with out any breaks an had a lot of roofs cave in, a lot of engineered hi tech trusses turned to splinters, just wondered if you did anything special to the wigwam or the long house. Later Bob
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Very cool, I want to check this out sometime. I'm glad to see it didn't float away with all that rain. ;)
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rick, we can run up there when you come up. 15 min from the club
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bob although the insides would of been much better insulated than these the heat that pours out of these things would of kept melting the snow. the arch design of these is also incredibly strong. i walk all over the tops of these when im working on them. the phragmites house i have to do on the other hand was listing and one heavy snow crushed it. im sure they would of done other things to protect their home too.
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Jamie, ive said it before and im gonna say it again.
you definatly have some ancient mojo in you.
youve got skills that most modern folks cant even imagine anymore.
when i buy my place in the country,are you gonna come up and show me how to make one ;D
thats way cool.
when we were in Va. last fall we stopped at an "indian village",well a modern replica of one.
they had several reed houses,very cool.the people that worked there playing parts as natives were quit knowledible about all of the
structure and the reasons behind why they used what they used.they even had a fence made that strecthed around the entire village.
it was made from saplings placed in the ground every so many feet,then other smaller saplings were woven inbetween the poles.it made a very sturdy solid
fence.they said it was not only to help prevent the elements from the camp but also for defensive reasons.
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rick, we can run up there when you come up. 15 min from the club
;D
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Id love to see it too, Jamie. Your work is excellent. Looks like fun to live in, too.
Dane
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Dane a few people are coming to the club april 24th for a little pre-event gathering you're more than welcome to come down
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Looking forward to it. It's kind of like a "Can't make it to TN Classic" ;)
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Dane a few people are coming to the club april 24th for a little pre-event gathering you're more than welcome to come down
Thanks so much for the offer, but I dont think I can fit it in on that date right now.
Dane
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inner frame is done. need to tear down the wigwam on the left and im gonna use that bark to cover this lodge. at the moment this frame is tied together with sisal twine. i have the material to tie it now, so have to retie every union again.
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Looks like a historic campside Jamie. Fill it with life!
Regards Uwe
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That is awesome, I would love to live in one for awhile. I have slept a couple months in a cedar bark tipi and round hose and loved every minute of it. It was in the summer months in Shasta california. I slept on a tule mat and with a fire next to me i was so coooozy, i was out before i knew what hit me. The cedar bark repelled water wonderfully and if it leaked you just adjusted the cedar. It made me whish i was born about 600 years ago. My friend and Elder who built these told me that Even when it was cold out side it was very toasty inside, he had to strip down. When you burned manzinita there is almost no smoke and popping of the wood very comfortable.
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thanks guys. these are amazing dwellings. simple and efficient. i spent a few blustery miserable winter nights being very comfortable in these. i did a lot more work this week on them but it was mostly tearing down the old one and preparing more poles for the next two. its a lot of work to peal 16ft poles when the bark isnt jumping off. i have about half of what i need at the moment for poles. need 40 more. the museum decided they wanted 2 more so i will finish this one. then the other two they want incomplete so they can show the stages of how the buildings are done. the first will be just an inner frame . the second will be the fram and first row of bark. then the completed building. they use them for their education programs. heres a couple more pics. if anybody is on facebook they can see video of some of the work being done at the "instiute for american indian studies" fan page. im going to try to get some of the videos put up on youtube.
pealing more poles!!!!!!!!!!!
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you can see the old rotted frame on the right and the first row of bark on the new frame.
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Very cool, I'm looking forward to seeing this in person.
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Jamie: That is just some cool kimshee ;D. Soo are you fellers gonna make it to the classic?
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Not planning on making it down. But ya never know I may just say .... It
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Say it, say it - I wanna meet you guys ;D.
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heres the finished piece. 42 hrs of work. 10'x12' ' 7'6" high. frame is hophornbeam saplings and the bark is tulip. i would say that more than half of the labor was peeling the poles for the frame. when the bark isnt slipping it is a major time consumer peeling every damn pole.
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WOW! :)
Fascinating... as always!
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thanks pat. burned the first fire a couple hrs ago
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Job well done! I might like to have one of those, hmm...
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NICE, any more of those HHB saplings around? I'm thinking stone age bow attempt #2 ;)
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Rick if ya need a prop for your boat they'll work. They twist bad. Fly me down paul and we'll build one =)
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I might have enough of those frequent flyer smiles out there ;D. But no tulip, maybe oak or ash would work. Man, I'd love to be a neanderthal for a week or two ;) ;D.
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paul next time you get shipped to the north east for work let me now. we'll drag our knuckles for a bit.
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Jamie:
You say those HHB saplings twist bad when made into self bows?
I have a HHB sapling picked out for a stone carved bow. Looks like I may need to find something else.
What would you reccomend?
Thanks
David
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David these were twisted. If you can find one with good grain by all means use it. It works great. If it has twisted grain I use it for the frame and if it is straight grained I leave it for bowwood
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10-4
The one I have found is very straight grained.
Hope to make an " all stone tool " hunting set up for this winter.
Already have 24 canes cut. Can cut a cane down in 10 seconds with a thin, weather flaked limestone rock "saw".
Have two crude stone hand axes. One is a untouched, pointed, dolomite limestone rock the other is also dolomite and has had a bit of crude touch up work.
Hope to pick up knapping lessons at the classic so I can make my own " hunt worthey " stone heads.
David
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That looks great Jamie, I am a tipi dweller but appreciate wigwams too.
What museum is that?
What is the H Frame back and between the two lodges?
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That's just awesome, Jamie. I've always wanted to build me one of those, and I'd like to try one of those Cherokee wattle-and-daub houses, too. What did you do the lashing with?
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jack the museum is the institute for american indian studies in washington , ct. small research and education group i do a lot of reproduction work for. the h frame is a tower that children would of sat in to scare away critters that would want to eat the garden. post some pics of your tp setup. like to see it.
thanks steve i used rattan for the tieing strips this time because i started before the bark was slipping. normally i would use elm hickory or basswood. basswood being the preferred choice. got some more pics i'll post later. i have two more frames up that are going to be used to show how the structures are built. one will be a frame the next will be have covered with bark and the third is the already finished structure. then i move on to redoing the roof of the longhouse. we used old bark on the roof and it needs to be replaced with new stuff to give the buiulding a more complete look. peace and thanks again.
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Hi Jamie
I'm going to have it set up in 2 weeks in ND, and mid June taking it down to SD to Eagle Butte for a week long bowyers project with Lakota youth, I'll be taking a number of pics there too, that and the Lame Deer 4th of July pow wow and the Crow Festival in august are full dress events. I dont have a tripod for the weapons etc but two with a rack between them. Will have about six lances as we hope to get a lance competition at the Crow Festival to go with mounted archery.
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very awsome wigwam
Kolton
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WOW!!
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thank you guys
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Nice set-up you have there Jamie. What's the diameter of the fire-pit and the seats around it? I'm planning on building something like that out my back garden for BBQ's and general revelry and merriment.
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Thanks , I think its about 20'
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Jaimie awesome work brother! I hope to make it there. Will talk to u soon!!!
Russ
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Very nice bark wigwam! What tree did you harvest the bark from and what time of the year did you de-bark? I have wanted to make a bamboo waddle and daub Southeastern Indian house. So I'm guessing that you burned the poles so that they would be sharpened and tougher so you could pound them into the ground? Great work. Wish I could get a paying gig like that. Keep at it.
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