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Title: Wigwam Time Again
Post by: jamie on April 02, 2010, 08:45:54 am
rebuilding this one in a different spot and then replacing it with a reed house. bark on this one is fine but the frame let go inside and out, so i wont have to harvest bark for this one. started gathering poles and peeling and burnin the ends wednesday. have 20 prepped and will need about 30 more for the bark wigwam. the reed one will take about 30.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=923PkFv2Mwk

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/coyotebow/museum/009-1.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/coyotebow/museum/008-1.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/coyotebow/museum/015-1.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/coyotebow/museum/011-2.jpg)

Title: Re: wigwam time again
Post by: Timo on April 02, 2010, 09:03:26 am
Jamie, You  seem to have lots of energy. Do you every work man! ;D  Cool  stuff you do up there. ;)
Title: Re: wigwam time again
Post by: jamie on April 02, 2010, 01:28:11 pm
Work sucks right now tim and this is a paying gig so I aint complaining. =)
Title: Re: wigwam time again
Post by: aero86 on April 02, 2010, 05:03:28 pm
did you just say your getting paid to do that? 
Title: Re: wigwam time again
Post by: Keenan on April 02, 2010, 07:43:56 pm
Jamie, your skills are what most wanna be outdoor survivalist only dream of.  Says allot that you actually get payed to do such neat stuff
Title: Re: wigwam time again
Post by: Justin Snyder on April 02, 2010, 07:45:34 pm
That is my kind of paying gig.
Title: Re: wigwam time again
Post by: jamie on April 02, 2010, 09:38:19 pm
these are being built for a museum out here. paying gigs arent that often. id do this for free and be happy with it too
Title: Re: wigwam time again
Post by: aero86 on April 02, 2010, 09:40:59 pm
i dont mind being a mechanic, but thats a great job!  maybe i can do something like that for my museum!
Title: Re: wigwam time again
Post by: Outbackbob48 on April 02, 2010, 09:59:04 pm
Jamie, Was wondering how well wigwam hold up to heavy snow cover, I guess if I lived in one full time just shovel off wet heavy snow We had real lot of snow here with out any breaks an had a lot of roofs cave in, a lot of engineered hi tech trusses turned to splinters, just wondered if you did anything special to the wigwam or the long house. Later Bob
Title: Re: wigwam time again
Post by: ricktrojanowski on April 03, 2010, 07:49:09 am
Very cool, I want to check this out sometime.  I'm glad to see it didn't float away with all that rain. ;)
Title: Re: wigwam time again
Post by: jamie on April 03, 2010, 10:14:26 am
rick, we can run up there when you come up. 15 min from the club
Title: Re: wigwam time again
Post by: jamie on April 03, 2010, 10:18:54 am
bob although the insides would of been much better insulated than these the heat that pours out of these things would of kept melting the snow. the arch design of these is also incredibly strong. i walk all over the tops of these when im working on them. the phragmites house i have to do on the other hand was listing and one heavy snow crushed it. im sure they would of done other things to protect their home too.
Title: Re: wigwam time again
Post by: sailordad on April 03, 2010, 10:23:02 am
Jamie, ive said it before and im gonna say it again.

you definatly have some ancient mojo in you.
youve got skills that most modern folks cant even imagine anymore.
when i buy my place in the country,are you gonna come up and  show me how to make one  ;D
thats way cool.

when we were in Va. last fall we stopped at an "indian village",well a modern replica of one.
they had several reed houses,very cool.the people that worked there playing parts as natives were quit knowledible about all of the
structure and the reasons behind why they used what they used.they even had a fence made that strecthed around the entire village.
it was made from saplings placed in the ground every so many feet,then other smaller saplings were woven inbetween the poles.it made a very sturdy solid
fence.they said it was not only to help prevent the elements from the camp but also for defensive reasons.
Title: Re: wigwam time again
Post by: ricktrojanowski on April 03, 2010, 10:41:06 pm
rick, we can run up there when you come up. 15 min from the club
;D 
Title: Re: wigwam time again
Post by: Dane on April 04, 2010, 08:23:46 am
Id love to see it too, Jamie. Your work is excellent. Looks like fun to live in, too.

Dane
Title: Wigwam Time Again
Post by: jamie on April 04, 2010, 08:28:30 am
Dane a few people are coming to the club april 24th for a little pre-event gathering you're more than welcome to come down
Title: Re: wigwam time again
Post by: ricktrojanowski on April 04, 2010, 10:13:23 pm
Looking forward to it.  It's kind of like a "Can't make it to TN Classic" ;)
Title: Re: wigwam time again
Post by: Dane on April 05, 2010, 07:05:08 pm
Dane a few people are coming to the club april 24th for a little pre-event gathering you're more than welcome to come down

Thanks so much for the offer, but I dont think I can fit it in on that date right now.

Dane
Title: Re: wigwam time again
Post by: jamie on April 07, 2010, 08:21:01 am
inner frame is done. need to tear down the wigwam on the left and im gonna use that bark to cover this lodge. at the moment this frame is tied together with sisal twine. i have the material to tie it now, so have to retie every union again.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/coyotebow/museum/002-1.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/coyotebow/museum/004.jpg)
Title: Re: wigwam time again
Post by: uwe on April 08, 2010, 02:53:18 pm
Looks like a historic campside Jamie. Fill it with life!
Regards Uwe
Title: Re: wigwam time again
Post by: Deo on April 11, 2010, 12:16:35 am
That is awesome, I would love to live in one for awhile. I have slept a couple months in a cedar bark tipi and round hose and loved every minute of it. It was in the summer months in Shasta california. I slept on a tule mat and with a fire next to me i was so coooozy, i was out before i knew what hit me. The cedar bark repelled water wonderfully and if it leaked you just adjusted the cedar. It made me whish i was born about 600 years ago. My friend and Elder who built these told me that Even when it was cold out side it was very toasty inside, he had to strip down. When you burned manzinita there is almost no smoke and popping of the wood very comfortable.
Title: Re: wigwam time again (more pics)
Post by: jamie on April 11, 2010, 09:10:17 am
thanks guys. these are amazing dwellings. simple and efficient. i spent a few blustery miserable winter nights being very comfortable in these. i did a lot more work this week on them but it was mostly tearing down the old one and preparing more poles for the next two. its a lot of work to peal 16ft poles when the bark isnt jumping off. i have about half of what i need at the moment for poles. need 40 more. the museum decided they wanted 2 more so i will finish this one. then the other two they want incomplete so they can show the stages of how the buildings are done. the first will be just an inner frame . the second will be the fram and first row of bark. then the completed building. they use them for their education programs. heres a couple more pics. if anybody is on facebook they can see video of some of the work being done at the "instiute for american indian studies" fan page. im going to try to get some of the videos put up on youtube.

pealing more poles!!!!!!!!!!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/coyotebow/museum/001-1.jpg)

you can see the old rotted frame on the right and the first row of bark on the new frame.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/coyotebow/museum/002-2.jpg)
Title: Re: wigwam time again
Post by: ricktrojanowski on April 11, 2010, 10:10:37 pm
Very cool, I'm looking forward to seeing this in person.
Title: Re: wigwam time again
Post by: cowboy on April 11, 2010, 10:21:04 pm
Jamie: That is just some cool kimshee ;D. Soo are you fellers gonna make it to the classic?
Title: Re: wigwam time again
Post by: jamie on April 11, 2010, 10:49:26 pm
Not planning on making it down. But ya never know I may just say .... It
Title: Re: wigwam time again
Post by: cowboy on April 11, 2010, 10:52:35 pm
Say it, say it - I wanna meet you guys ;D.
Title: Re: wigwam time again (finished pics)
Post by: jamie on April 13, 2010, 07:21:59 am
heres the finished piece. 42 hrs of work. 10'x12' ' 7'6" high. frame is hophornbeam saplings and the bark is tulip. i would say that more than half of the labor was peeling the poles for the frame. when the bark isnt slipping it is a major time consumer peeling every damn pole.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/coyotebow/museum/038.jpg)
Title: Re: wigwam time again
Post by: JackCrafty on April 13, 2010, 02:59:05 pm
WOW!  :)

Fascinating... as always!
Title: Re: wigwam time again
Post by: jamie on April 13, 2010, 08:01:17 pm
thanks pat. burned the first fire a couple hrs ago
Title: Re: wigwam time again
Post by: cowboy on April 13, 2010, 09:45:29 pm
Job well done! I might like to have one of those, hmm...
Title: Re: wigwam time again
Post by: ricktrojanowski on April 13, 2010, 10:58:29 pm
NICE, any more of those HHB saplings around?  I'm thinking stone age bow attempt #2 ;)
Title: Re: wigwam time again
Post by: jamie on April 14, 2010, 08:14:35 am
Rick if ya need a prop for your boat they'll work. They twist bad. Fly me down paul and we'll build one =)
Title: Re: wigwam time again
Post by: cowboy on April 18, 2010, 09:32:34 pm
I might have enough of those frequent flyer smiles out there ;D. But no tulip, maybe oak or ash would work. Man, I'd love to be a neanderthal for a week or two ;) ;D.
Title: Re: wigwam time again
Post by: jamie on April 19, 2010, 07:01:50 am
paul next time you get shipped to the north east for work let me now. we'll drag our knuckles for a bit.
Title: Re: wigwam time again
Post by: RidgeRunner on April 19, 2010, 12:54:19 pm
Jamie:
You say those HHB saplings twist bad when made into self bows?

I have a HHB sapling picked out for a stone carved bow.  Looks like I may need to find something else.

What would you reccomend?

Thanks
David
Title: Re: wigwam time again
Post by: jamie on April 19, 2010, 01:27:06 pm
David these were twisted. If you can find one with good grain by all means use it. It works great. If it has twisted grain I use it for the frame and if it is straight grained I leave it for bowwood
Title: Re: wigwam time again
Post by: RidgeRunner on April 19, 2010, 06:12:39 pm
10-4
The one I have found is very straight grained.
Hope to make an " all stone tool " hunting set up for this winter.

Already have 24 canes cut.  Can cut a cane down in 10 seconds with a thin, weather flaked limestone rock "saw".
Have two crude stone hand axes.  One is a untouched, pointed, dolomite limestone rock the other is also dolomite and has had a bit of crude touch up work.

Hope to pick up knapping lessons at the classic so I can make my own " hunt worthey " stone heads.

David
Title: Re: wigwam time again
Post by: Jake Levi on April 25, 2010, 01:40:29 pm
That looks great Jamie, I am a tipi dweller but appreciate wigwams too.

What museum is that?

What is the H Frame back and between the two lodges?
Title: Re: wigwam time again
Post by: Hillbilly on April 26, 2010, 11:19:07 am
That's just awesome, Jamie. I've always wanted to build me one of those, and I'd like to try one of those Cherokee wattle-and-daub houses, too. What did you do the lashing with?
Title: Re: wigwam time again
Post by: jamie on April 26, 2010, 12:25:59 pm
jack the museum is the institute for american indian studies in washington , ct. small research and education group i do a lot of reproduction work for. the h frame is a tower that children would of sat in to scare away critters that would want to eat the garden. post some pics of your tp setup. like to see it.

thanks steve i used rattan for the tieing strips this time because i started before the bark was slipping. normally i would use elm hickory or basswood. basswood being the preferred choice. got some more pics i'll post later. i have two more frames up that are going to be used to show how the structures are built. one will be a frame the next will be have covered with bark and the third is the already finished structure. then i move on to redoing the roof of the longhouse. we used old bark on the roof and it needs to be replaced with new stuff to give the buiulding a more complete look. peace and thanks again.

Title: Re: wigwam time again
Post by: Jake Levi on April 26, 2010, 09:17:34 pm
Hi Jamie

I'm going to have it set up in 2 weeks in ND, and mid June taking it down to SD to Eagle Butte for a week long bowyers project with Lakota youth, I'll be taking a number of pics there too,  that and the Lame Deer 4th of July pow wow and the Crow Festival in august are full dress events. I dont have a tripod for the weapons etc but two with a rack between them.  Will have about six lances as we hope to get a lance competition at the Crow Festival to go with mounted archery.
Title: Re: wigwam time again
Post by: Kolton on May 11, 2010, 08:07:04 pm
very awsome wigwam


        Kolton

     
Title: Re: wigwam time again
Post by: part Cherokee on May 16, 2010, 05:28:58 pm
WOW!!
Title: Re: wigwam time again
Post by: jamie on May 17, 2010, 07:34:21 am
thank you guys
Title: Re: wigwam time again
Post by: HatchA on May 17, 2010, 07:16:13 pm
Nice set-up you have there Jamie.  What's the diameter of the fire-pit and the seats around it?  I'm planning on building something like that out my back garden for BBQ's and general revelry and merriment.
Title: Re: wigwam time again
Post by: jamie on May 19, 2010, 09:10:29 am
Thanks , I think its about 20'
Title: Re: wigwam time again
Post by: AncientArcher76 on June 10, 2010, 01:53:28 am
Jaimie awesome work brother!  I hope to make it there.  Will talk to u soon!!!

Russ
Title: Re: Wigwam Time Again
Post by: RLimerick on January 04, 2015, 10:14:53 am
Very nice bark wigwam!  What tree did you harvest the bark from and what time of the year did you de-bark?  I have wanted to make a bamboo waddle and daub Southeastern Indian house.  So I'm guessing that you burned the poles so that they would be sharpened and tougher so you could pound them into the ground?  Great work.  Wish I could get a paying gig like that.  Keep at it.
Title: Re: Wigwam Time Again
Post by: bubby on January 07, 2015, 12:25:17 am
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