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Title: composites
Post by: james parker on April 08, 2010, 12:32:49 am
hey guys here are a few horn composite bows in progress,,some minor detailing,and they will be ready for sinew,i hope to get a couple covered in the next day or two....  how do you think they look so far??

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Title: Re: composites
Post by: Pat B on April 08, 2010, 12:39:47 am
Very cool!!!  8)  Do I see some of my hickory in there somewhere?  ;D
Title: Re: composites
Post by: james parker on April 08, 2010, 12:46:19 am
yes pat a couple have the hickory  in them that i got from you.... im still looking for  someone to take pics or video for a build along,,i would be willing to trade a free bow class...any takers?
Title: Re: composites
Post by: RyanY on April 08, 2010, 12:49:50 am
 :o Those are beautiful!!! I want to make one so bad but I don't have the time or money, so I think. How much does it cost to make one approx? I think you're missing a korean bow in there.  ;) What is that straight limb one? Egyptian?
Title: Re: composites
Post by: james parker on April 08, 2010, 12:51:59 am
ive got seven more in the works   incuding a korean bow,yes thats an angular bow
Title: Re: composites
Post by: medicinewheel on April 08, 2010, 01:07:30 am
WOW... they all look fantastic! Great work!!!
Title: Re: composites
Post by: james parker on April 08, 2010, 01:09:21 am
thanks
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Post by: billy on April 08, 2010, 01:13:26 am
Wow, those look really cool.  some of those bows are so reflexed that they look like a leaf spring with a bad attitude!
Title: Re: composites
Post by: Pat B on April 08, 2010, 01:44:44 am
Billy, they don't even have the sinew on them yet!  :o  Lots more attitude with sinew.  ;D
Title: Re: composites
Post by: Frode on April 08, 2010, 01:54:10 am
Those are great!  I too would like to see a build-along.
Frode
Title: Re: composites
Post by: NTD on April 08, 2010, 03:10:29 am
Looking good James!  Is one of those getting that Green tree python skin?
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Post by: zenmonkeyman on April 08, 2010, 03:29:21 am
Me Rikee Velly Much!!!
Title: Re: composites
Post by: okiecountryboy on April 08, 2010, 03:38:04 am
James
For those of us newbies to bow building...a build-a-long would be sooo cool!
Like i've said more than once on this forum...I watch, read, and learn...
Give economical options.
Can't even afford hickory backing.

But on thr positive side, necessity IS the mother of invention and most probably messin up...LOL

Watchin and learning..(still workin on self bows)
The worst part about it is that I am a survilvist, set traps, track, havin problems makin first bow. Go figure ??? :-[ ;)

Ron
Title: Re: composites
Post by: faltenhemd on April 08, 2010, 04:15:36 am
Those will be some fine bows, I'm sure!
Keep up your great work :)
Happy sinewing!
Title: Re: composites
Post by: Del the cat on April 08, 2010, 05:19:40 am
Wow...
Hey, man, the standard of work we see is inspirational, great to see there is still the skill and patience out there in this modern world.
Del
Title: Re: composites
Post by: james parker on April 08, 2010, 09:23:50 am
thanks all,,i will post some more pics after sinew and as the season out,,,again  thanks for all the great comments,,, :)
Title: Re: composites
Post by: DanaM on April 08, 2010, 09:29:24 am
Lookin good James but will be even better when ya get some Yooper sinew on em :)
I haven't forgotten the birch bark either ;)
Title: Re: composites
Post by: OldBow on April 08, 2010, 01:31:17 pm
Thanks for sharing James!!
Title: Re: composites
Post by: gstoneberg on April 08, 2010, 01:51:02 pm
Wow, looks great!  I've always wanted to make a composite.  I'd love to see a build-a-long too.

George
Title: Re: composites
Post by: Parnell on April 08, 2010, 02:09:14 pm
Thanks for posting that.  It is so interesting!
Title: Re: composites
Post by: Badger on April 08, 2010, 02:34:40 pm
      First time I have ever seen such a diverse collection in construction at the same time. I can't wait to see them finished. I am really interested in how well you estimated the draw weight. That initself seems like a major task. Great work, keep us posted as you go. Steve
Title: Re: composites
Post by: Cooper on April 08, 2010, 03:02:18 pm
Wow, looks fantastic.
The one in the middle seems to be my favorate design, an angular bow, like the Egyptian, right?
Do you have more details, that would be great  :)
Title: Re: composites
Post by: Justin Snyder on April 08, 2010, 03:06:12 pm
That is inspiring James, I can't wait to see more pictures.
Title: Re: composites
Post by: akila on April 08, 2010, 03:42:26 pm
Those bows looks awsome...im curiose aboute something......can u plzz tell me, how did u bent those curves into the first bow, from the second picture....did u steam each piece of wood, before gluing???or....thks..and good luck
Title: Re: composites
Post by: james parker on April 08, 2010, 03:56:47 pm
akila.i used the rope and wedge method on all of the cores  in the pics,,very hard to manage but can be done with some patience...
Title: Re: composites
Post by: mullet on April 08, 2010, 09:01:46 pm
 This is cool, James. Post some more.
Title: Re: composites
Post by: Grunt on April 08, 2010, 10:21:46 pm
Pretty amazing work. You go where few bowyers tread.
Title: Re: composites
Post by: JBL on April 08, 2010, 11:59:06 pm
James thanks for sharing; as always FANTASTIC work.  I just love those Asian bows.
Title: Re: composites
Post by: medicinewheel on April 09, 2010, 03:31:47 am
James, I guess from all the reactions here one can say that we all wouldn't be too bored if you posted more (MORE...!) detailed photos of these cores!!!
 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: composites
Post by: Pappy on April 09, 2010, 07:40:40 am
Awesome work James,them are going to be cool. Can't wait to see them finished.You do some amazing stuff with wood. :)
   Pappy
Title: Re: composites
Post by: Timo on April 09, 2010, 08:53:29 am
James, I've yet to meet your acquaintance, but  anticipate the day. I hope you bring some of this stuff to the classic,sure would like to oogle over it a bit.
Title: Re: composites
Post by: barney on April 09, 2010, 10:50:59 am
Top notch craftwork. And good luck with prepping the sinew for that lot.
Title: Re: composites
Post by: Barrage on April 09, 2010, 01:52:03 pm
Awesome James, always love seeing your work on here (and I'd love to see a build along too!).  Keep us posted on these, they look great!
Title: Re: composites
Post by: james parker on April 09, 2010, 01:57:06 pm
thanks for all the input guys,barney ive been preping the sinew for these and other bows  the whole winter ,,i now have around seven pounds of finished fibers,moose leg ,deer leg and deer backstrap that i got off dana in trade..if any of you fellows have any moose,deer or elk leg tendons you would trade let me know if we can work a trade out..............thanks again,,james
Title: Re: composites
Post by: Kviljo on April 09, 2010, 06:43:48 pm
Impressive bunch!!

I'm trying to make some like these myself, and they really are time consuming.

Are you making them from any drawings or measurements? If so, perhaps you would share your sources?

You should post these at Atarn.net too :)
Title: Re: composites
Post by: gstoneberg on April 09, 2010, 06:54:00 pm
Wow, 7 lbs of processed sinew is a lot of pounding!!  I'm impressed.

I have a few years of deer leg tendon and backstrap sinew stored up that I haven't touched yet.  I think I put 3 deer worth in the bag this last fall.  How much sinew are you looking for?

George
Title: Re: composites
Post by: james parker on April 09, 2010, 07:10:16 pm
georg,im looking for any amount ,anyone is willing to part with....... ill try to post some close up pics tommorrow,,,,,,,,,,,,,,james
Title: Re: composites
Post by: DanaM on April 09, 2010, 07:25:48 pm
7 lbs of processed sinew is a freakin boatload :o I will say this James is a good guy to trade with so send him yer sinew eh ;D
Title: Re: composites
Post by: gstoneberg on April 09, 2010, 10:40:43 pm
James, I have, about 30 each leg tendon and backstrap sinew.  Mice got to it in storage so some of the ends are frayed, especially on the backstrap.  I have a picture if you'd like to see what it looks like.

George
Title: Re: composites
Post by: Keenan on April 09, 2010, 11:04:45 pm
 Wow James ,not sure how this slipped by me. You got me real intrested in the horn bows.
Title: Re: composites
Post by: jbnizzle on April 10, 2010, 10:31:46 am
Hey Ro,
            what kind of sinew do you use?
    I had a great supply of buffalo but can't find it anymore. Now stuck with deer.
   I think you have made one of every bow I've even thoght about making and the
    quality........why youuuuuuu... F@#$%ing rock dude

                                                         J.B.
Title: Re: composites
Post by: james parker on April 11, 2010, 07:57:13 pm
hey guys hers a few close up pics of the composite bows

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Title: Re: composites
Post by: james parker on April 11, 2010, 08:00:56 pm
more pics

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Title: Re: composites
Post by: Badger on April 11, 2010, 08:03:39 pm
  That is some amazingly clean work! Steve
Title: Re: composites
Post by: Mechslasher on April 11, 2010, 09:34:38 pm
put my name down for one of the curvey ones when finished!  the second, third, and sixth are the profiles i love the most.
Title: Re: composites
Post by: medicinewheel on April 12, 2010, 03:13:08 am
James thanks for the details!
That is some fantastic work; now I wish even more I could come to the Classic, and see those for real...
Title: Re: composites
Post by: barney on April 12, 2010, 12:55:13 pm
Hey Robustus,

How did you acheive the profile on the curvey-wurvy bow core?  I've been trying to figure it out.

regards,

Barney
Title: Re: composites
Post by: james parker on April 12, 2010, 03:35:36 pm
barney i used the rope and wedge method with an out line of the bow drawn on a pc of plywood as a reference,,,,, wedges were used on both sides of th  bow in stratigic palces along the reflex and deflex profile.
Title: Re: composites
Post by: barney on April 13, 2010, 10:43:04 am
I can understand how ropes and wedges can be used to clamp the horn laminate to a pre-curved core. But still can’t figure how you’d use them to add curvature.

Any chance of a picture of the process?

I’ve completed a couple of horn/sinew composites but am always on the look out for other techniques.

Best regards,

Barney
Title: Re: composites
Post by: gstoneberg on April 13, 2010, 11:02:31 am
georg,im looking for any amount ,anyone is willing to part with....... ill try to post some close up pics tommorrow,,,,,,,,,,,,,,james

Did you get my PM?  It's no problem if it doesn't work, just wonderin if my PM made it through.

George
Title: Re: composites
Post by: RT on April 14, 2010, 02:48:59 am
Hi James,

That composite bow really looks complicated to me, cant wait to see the finish product.....

robin tan
Title: Re: composites
Post by: james parker on April 14, 2010, 11:07:15 am
hey robin! really glad to see you here... i checked the mail today and the package has arrived,, have you got your package yet?
Title: Re: composites
Post by: Mechslasher on April 15, 2010, 03:25:28 pm
how's the Korean bow coming along?
Title: Re: composites
Post by: james parker on April 15, 2010, 05:41:16 pm
great!  got horn on one last night and sinewed another korean bow early this morning,,ive got one turkish,one western stlye,one one boo belly bow and the angular bow sinewed and jelling up ..ill try to post pics later.... thanks for asking cade
Title: Re: composites
Post by: Catahoula on April 15, 2010, 10:07:59 pm
Hi James,

Those bows are really cool!!  Maybe someday...  BTW...the "bow that shall not be named" is working well...had to get some heavier arrows for her...she slings them like rockets! 

Take care,

Rand
Title: Re: composites
Post by: Keenan on April 16, 2010, 12:30:44 am
 Hey James, sent you a Pm last week somtime,Did you get it. Give me a call when you get some time,  Thanks Bro
Title: Re: composites
Post by: james parker on April 16, 2010, 02:38:20 pm
hey keenan i got your pm,,i will try to call you this weekend...............james
Title: Re: composites
Post by: Keenan on April 16, 2010, 03:08:48 pm
Sounds good James, When ever you get some time, no hury. Father inlaw is hear right now.
Title: Re: composites
Post by: fusizoli on April 16, 2010, 03:41:32 pm
James , nice to see U start this  project. Those bows looking real fine. Best wishes for the finish, and the future ones!
Title: Re: composites
Post by: hedgeapple on April 16, 2010, 07:29:26 pm
James, I really like the look of those spliced in handles.  Do you think they would hold together with a hickory backed bow, cause part of the slice looks to be in the working part of the limbs.

This is one awesome project you've started.
Title: Re: composites
Post by: james parker on April 17, 2010, 12:11:48 am
here are a few pics of some of the bows after sinew, the are in the latter stage of jelling and begining to dry somewhat,,thanks for the comment  fusizoli,, hedgapple  a bow with these kinds of splice would surely hold with a hickory backing

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Title: Re: composites
Post by: james parker on April 17, 2010, 12:13:51 am
one more pic

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Title: Re: composites
Post by: Pat B on April 17, 2010, 12:41:04 am
Boy! my sinew backings sure don't look that slick.  ::)   Is the top pic the Egyptian angular bow?
Title: Re: composites
Post by: james parker on April 17, 2010, 12:45:29 am
yep  it is i still have another layer to go on the angular bow and the turk bow
Title: Re: composites
Post by: hedgeapple on April 17, 2010, 01:07:00 am
Thanks James for the info.  I see a bandsaw in my very near future. 

Title: Re: composites
Post by: medicinewheel on April 17, 2010, 02:14:51 am
WOW... that sure is some perfect sinewing!!!
Title: Re: composites
Post by: knightd on April 17, 2010, 02:20:43 am
Those are looking Sweet !!
Title: Re: composites
Post by: james parker on April 17, 2010, 02:23:27 am
thanks david,yeah medicinewheel ,sinewing can be most aggrevating,if you svratch your nose bam! glue on your snoot!!lol lol,,,and thanks for the comment,,james
Title: Re: composites
Post by: gstoneberg on April 17, 2010, 08:53:24 am
Wow, I agree, my sinew jobs don't look like that either.  Did you ever get that picture I sent?  I tried both email and PM.

George
Title: Re: composites
Post by: Keenan on April 17, 2010, 10:26:24 am
Wow James, You are entering a whole new dimension in your bow building. Just knowing the beauties that you make with laminate bows, I can't wait to see your works of art.
Title: Re: composites
Post by: Gordon on April 17, 2010, 01:21:26 pm
Wow, those are some serious bows.
Title: Re: composites
Post by: RT on April 18, 2010, 09:55:25 am
James, those are mighty fine looking bows, like you said, if i shoot these bow in Asia, i will
soon find myself shooting in a bow of noodle LOL!  Humidity here is 90% through out the year.

Any way if you really waterproof it well say with 10 layers of waterproofing, will it hold?

Whats the different in terms of cast, power between a 1) bamboo bow and 2) sinew bow.......considering
the specs are the same for both bows?

Robin   ;D
Title: Re: composites
Post by: mox1968 on April 18, 2010, 07:15:05 pm
WOW!!i can see BOM for june,july,august...............etc.......etc.........
Title: Re: composites
Post by: mullet on April 18, 2010, 07:22:44 pm
 Man oh man! Those are looking good, James I want one. ;D
Title: Re: composites
Post by: james parker on April 18, 2010, 07:27:55 pm
mox i hate to say it but all these new bows im sinewing have to cure out for at least six months,or more to get the full potential out of the bow,,maybe i can post them around nov-dec.....but thanks for what you said................james
Title: Re: composites
Post by: sonny on April 18, 2010, 09:33:17 pm
James, can you tell us if the hide glue you're using is commercially available ??
send me a PM if you don't want to post it here.
 
Title: Re: composites
Post by: Mechslasher on April 18, 2010, 09:47:06 pm
i now know what a sinewed backed bow is suppose to look like.  you da master!
Title: Re: composites
Post by: james parker on April 19, 2010, 10:38:54 am
sonny the fish glue im now trying out ,i get from europe,, i cost 165.00 for 400 gm ,also i had to wait three months to get it,,if you or anyone  is intrested pm me for the info
Title: Re: composites
Post by: Hillbilly on April 19, 2010, 11:29:27 am
James, those are looking pretty durn good to be made by an old ugly backwoods Parker. That's about the slickest looking sinew job I've ever seen. Mine usually look like a backlash from a baitcasting reel randomly stuck to a piece of wood by a kindergartner. :)
Title: Re: composites
Post by: El Destructo on April 19, 2010, 04:08:08 pm
                                           You been coping my Sinew Work again Steve.......... :P

                   Mine resembles a ball of Nightcrawlers...when you pull em out of the Bait Can....... >:D
Title: Re: composites
Post by: Mechslasher on April 20, 2010, 10:56:16 am
is that second bow with the sinew your plains style hornbow?
Title: Re: composites
Post by: barney on April 21, 2010, 05:18:41 am
Thanks for the e-mail, Robustus. I would have replied earlier but have been away for a bit. I think I’ve figured how you do it now from looking on the Atarn site.

Regards,

Barney
Title: Re: composites
Post by: james parker on April 21, 2010, 11:59:15 pm
chris that is the indian bow ,the sinew is really looking good,i just finished putting a couple of glazing coats of glue on it tonight..ill post pics thursday ,to let you see how its going....james
Title: Re: composites
Post by: medicinewheel on April 22, 2010, 02:27:00 am
James, is that meant NA Indian? does that bow have a core, or just horn? And what horn did you use??
I'd be really interested in details of that particular one!
Title: Re: composites
Post by: gstoneberg on April 22, 2010, 06:16:09 pm
chris that is the indian bow ,the sinew is really looking good,i just finished putting a couple of glazing coats of glue on it tonight..ill post pics thursday ,to let you see how its going....james

Glazing coats?  That's a new one on me, is it something you do when you intend to add more sinew layers after these dry?

George
Title: Re: composites
Post by: james parker on April 22, 2010, 09:43:44 pm
glazing coats are put on after the sinew is made as blemish free as possible,,its a super hot coat of very thin hide glue,,if the surface is done correctly it will be as smoothas glass,so when and if you are birch barking the back ,the bark will not reflect any uneven surfaces or voids...and mirror image it to the surface of the bark
Title: Re: composites
Post by: gstoneberg on April 23, 2010, 10:46:04 am
Interesting, you must be laying the sinew almost a thread at a time to make it so perfect.  So far I've been a lot lazier than that, and the end result looks it.  Once it's covered in snakeskin it's my secret though.  You've done beautiful work.  George
Title: Re: composites
Post by: james parker on April 23, 2010, 05:02:38 pm
frank the sinewed bow is a north american style,osage with steer horn on the belly.im  46 : from tip to tip.. sinew nocks,,i will most likely paint over the sinew back after shooting the bow in..im forcasting the bow to come out around 60 + # @ 26" or more of draw... it has two layers if sinew combined back and leg tendons..after drying it should be around a heavy 1/4 to 5/16 inch thick backing....

george im putting the sinew on in thick bundles,, with the addition of some fish bladder glue added to the pearl glue the work time has lengthened to around 3 min per bundle.. i still have to move quite fast though,once the jelling of the glue sets in its over as far as movment of the strands,,if the strands are straight in the bundles before their dipped in glue it is far easier to lay them down straight when going to the bow..............james
Title: Re: composites
Post by: james parker on April 23, 2010, 05:31:30 pm
after second layer and several coats of glue glazing

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Title: Re: composites
Post by: medicinewheel on April 24, 2010, 02:35:24 am
James, I really would love to see pictures from the belly side of this one, since I'm awaiting some pieces of mountain maple to make one like those!
Again: that is one fantastic sinew job there!!!
Title: Re: composites
Post by: james parker on May 05, 2010, 12:53:02 pm
hey fellows here are a few pics of a the turkish horn bow after 3 layers of sinew,and the bow pulled into the last amount of reflex for this one,,im working on another like it that will be pulled into much more reflex than this one,,, the other bow pic is of a korean horn bow ,with one layer of sinew.....      james

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Title: Re: composites
Post by: Mechslasher on May 05, 2010, 02:39:08 pm
wow, now that's some reflex!  how many pounds will these bows pull when finished?
Title: Re: composites
Post by: james parker on May 05, 2010, 03:16:34 pm
chris the turk bow will be in the high 60 to 70s lbs and the korean will be only in  the50s
Title: Re: composites
Post by: RT on May 05, 2010, 09:39:37 pm
Hi James,

Just curious .........is the core made of wood? I would assume would will be one straight piece, how
do u induce the wood to bend into a circle? before putting on that sinew?

Cheers, Robin
Title: Re: composites
Post by: james parker on May 05, 2010, 10:04:32 pm
rt- the turk bow has a maple core with maple siyahs horn belly and sinew back,,the korean bow has a bamboo core osage  handle and osage siyahs,,most korean bows use  mullberry for the siyahs,, i didnt have any on hand....thanks for the intrest...............james
Title: Re: composites
Post by: james parker on May 05, 2010, 10:13:01 pm
 rt  both bows had some reflex after gluing up the core- the rest was put in after sinewing,,the turk bows is a few pages back , showing after the first layer..more relex is added after each layer
Title: Re: composites
Post by: butterbean on May 05, 2010, 10:15:26 pm
James, those are looking real nice. Also start checking your mailbox. ;) Oh, forgot to introduce myself, I'm mullets cousin. I sure wish I could be as cool and good looking as he is. I think I came from the N.C. creek branch.
Title: Re: composites
Post by: Pat B on May 06, 2010, 12:13:04 am
Oh no! another Parker!!! :o  They are coming out of the woodwork!  :D
  James, these bows are incredible. Looking forward to seeing them done but am enjoying the process.
Title: Re: composites
Post by: Justin Snyder on May 06, 2010, 12:42:33 am
Those are awesome James.
Title: Re: composites
Post by: Barrage on May 06, 2010, 11:23:50 am
Looking great James.  Thanks for posting as you go and really looking forward to the finished product!
Title: Re: composites
Post by: DanaM on May 06, 2010, 11:42:50 am
Hope the birch bark I got ya is what you were lookin for james.
Title: Re: composites
Post by: james parker on May 06, 2010, 12:38:52 pm
thanks guys,,i will keep adding pics as i go along.dana thanks for the bark,,ill be using it on several of the bows later in the year.................james
Title: Re: composites
Post by: shikari on May 07, 2010, 08:11:24 pm
WOW,Your sinewing is better than any I have seen so far,The crabbow looks great.Would you put up some pictures of how you process the horn?
regards
P.J.
Title: Re: composites
Post by: james parker on May 08, 2010, 09:41:18 pm
shikari.all the horns i had on hand have already been cut and ground and glued on cores,,i do have several pairs in the maill,when i get them i show pics,,,,,thanks for the sinew remark.......... :).......james
Title: Re: composites
Post by: bubby on May 10, 2010, 01:37:09 am
any way you can show how yo prepped the steerhorn, including cutout? thank's bub
Title: Re: composites
Post by: Hillbilly Deluxe on May 10, 2010, 11:18:38 am
I have to say that these sure are interesting and great looking bows, (put everything I am doing to shame). I was wondering how well these things shoot as compared to a long-bow, being so short and all. If they do shoot well I would think that they would be great for some spot and stalk hunting, no?
Title: Re: composites
Post by: Mechslasher on May 12, 2010, 04:21:49 pm
can't wait to see these with the birch bark on the back.
Title: Re: composites
Post by: james parker on May 13, 2010, 06:05:18 pm
hey guys here is the turkish horn bow and korean horn bow with the last amount of reflex induced..the turk has three layers of sinew ,the korean only one layer...........james

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Title: Re: composites
Post by: Mechslasher on May 13, 2010, 09:55:37 pm
AWESOME!!
Title: Re: composites
Post by: Jesse on May 13, 2010, 10:31:54 pm
James those look incredible. Now I want one bad ;D 
Title: Re: composites
Post by: El Destructo on May 13, 2010, 10:47:28 pm
Ya better start working double time on that landscaping Jesse....and when ya buy one...let me know what I am missing..... ;D
Title: Re: composites
Post by: medicinewheel on May 13, 2010, 11:05:08 pm
Can't wait to see these finished!
Title: Re: composites
Post by: Voodoo on May 25, 2010, 01:37:21 pm
James, I am amazed!, You have a talent that I have to see in person!, So plan on having a visitor this fall for a bit and maybe we can get together and do a little hunting too!!..............Steve
Title: Re: composites
Post by: aero86 on May 25, 2010, 06:50:38 pm
wow, i can barely make a bow stay together, and you go doing something like this!  good work! 
Title: Re: composites
Post by: james parker on May 25, 2010, 11:01:54 pm
thanks steve and areo.....the long wait is now here for these bows,,,but i do have several more coming up for sinew,,,  ill post them when ready...........james
Title: Re: composites
Post by: Hillbilly Deluxe on June 07, 2010, 05:34:12 pm
I was just wondering again, how shooter friendly are these compared to a long bow?
Title: Re: composites
Post by: james parker on June 07, 2010, 09:57:50 pm
composites are a completely different animal,,although they can be shot with great accuracy if using three fingers,, they can also be shot more easily the longer the design. :)
Title: Re: composites
Post by: Dusan on June 09, 2010, 08:04:01 pm
Great work Robustus. Like Kviljo say, post this bows in ATARNET. Here  comes people who love composites . Some of them forgot , how precise work must be. You are good example. I hope your bows shoot well in the end.( Its  pity / from mi point .../ - so light bows. Composites show his adwantage only if was more than 90 lb/
Title: Re: composites
Post by: james parker on June 09, 2010, 10:42:33 pm
thank you very much for the good words dusan,,,i will consider posting them there...thanks again,james
Title: Re: composites
Post by: Jose on June 10, 2010, 07:31:43 pm
Looking good. Are these your first hornbows? If not, I'd like to see some pictures of your finished hornbows.
I understand you were trained by Lukas.
Title: Re: composites
Post by: james parker on June 10, 2010, 08:45:33 pm
no,jose these are not my first horn  composite bows,although it has been a few years since i have made any,,,also not to sound harsh,but novotany has never trained or showed me any horn bow information or teachings, ???,i am self taught in this respect,, although i do have adam karpowicz book on the ottoman bows..in my opinion he is the greatest composite horn bow builder in these modern times,,bar none.........james parker
Title: Re: composites
Post by: Easternarcher on June 10, 2010, 09:01:13 pm
i am self taught in this respect,, although i do have adam karpowicz book on the ottoman bows..in my opinion he is the greatest composite horn bow builder in these modern times,,bar none.........james parker

Here! Here!
I also have Adam's book.....he knows his stuff!
Title: Re: composites
Post by: KenH on June 11, 2010, 12:10:32 am
James - Adam is undoubtedly the best composite horn bow builder, but he doesn't have two lovely and talented assistants like you do.  :) Beautiful bows.  Maybe someday I'll get up the nerve to build horn & sinew composites and not just wood...
Title: Re: composites
Post by: Jose on June 11, 2010, 01:09:00 am
Sorry, I must be confused with another person. Looking forward to see your finished bows.
Title: Re: composites
Post by: hedgeapple on June 11, 2010, 01:40:57 am
James, to sound like the totally stupid newby I am., I would love to see a video of you stinging these bows.  For the life of me I can't figure out how that's going to happen.  :)  I know if I were to attempt such a feat, I would end up with one leg through one limb and head through another limb.
Title: Re: composites
Post by: Mechslasher on July 12, 2010, 07:20:37 pm
hey james,  checking to see if there are any updates on the other horn bows you are working on?
Title: Re: composites
Post by: james parker on July 12, 2010, 08:03:15 pm
yes chris,im finishing up the plains indian bow,and just starting to open up the angular bow for bracing soon... james
Title: Re: composites
Post by: Pat B on July 12, 2010, 09:07:17 pm
I got to see and touch them all yesterday. Pretty incredible!!!
  I'll be reading Adam Karpowicz's book as I got it yesterday while at James and Becca's.
Title: Re: composites
Post by: james parker on July 12, 2010, 10:41:08 pm
thanks pat...glad you liked the composites... i will be  bracing some of them through the hunting season...  james
Title: Re: composites
Post by: mullet on July 12, 2010, 10:46:31 pm
Finish mine yet? ;D With only two post, I was thinking Jose was Lucas' cousin.
Title: Re: composites
Post by: JackCrafty on July 22, 2010, 07:44:47 pm
Just now looked at this thread.  All I can say is "WOW"!  Very, very interesting thread and an amazing talent.
Title: Re: composites
Post by: james parker on July 22, 2010, 09:22:07 pm
thanks jc,,keep checking back ,ill post more soon.jp
Title: Re: composites
Post by: aero86 on December 07, 2010, 09:19:48 am
so, its hunting season.  got any of these braced yet?  :)
Title: Re: composites
Post by: Gaur on December 07, 2010, 12:32:24 pm
Bows are looking great James.  Any of that horn the stuff I sent you?  I need to get Adam's book and try one for myself sometime soon.
Title: Re: composites
Post by: james parker on December 20, 2010, 09:54:53 pm
Hey guys, here is the Plains style bow that I sinewed back in late spring.  46" tip to tip, sinew backed osage core, horn belly, sinew self-nocks, sinew string.  finished 57# @27".  bow has deer rawhide back, painted with earth pigment that I ground.  I used rotten egg whites as a binder in the paint.  Waterproofer/sealer is prickly pear cactus juice.  The arrows are split, shaved and scraped shafts that I made.  They have swelled nocks, stone points, turkey and pheasant feather fletching, sinew bindings. Enjoy  ;)  --james
Title: Re: composites
Post by: JBL on December 20, 2010, 09:59:03 pm
James looks great!!!
Title: Re: composites
Post by: NTD on December 20, 2010, 10:00:25 pm
Wow, Great Bow James!  We ever gonna see that green tree python skin I sent you on the back of one of these composites? ;D
Title: Re: composites
Post by: gstoneberg on December 20, 2010, 10:02:17 pm
Sweet!!  I love that full draw.

George
Title: Re: composites
Post by: oneeye on December 20, 2010, 10:52:47 pm
I neeeed one of those.   That is nice!   Scott   
Title: Re: composites
Post by: ken75 on December 20, 2010, 11:08:19 pm
i love that full draw james . excellent work from a master . can i see an unbraced pic of that bow, so i can get in my head what its supposed to look like . thanks ken
Title: Re: composites
Post by: Jesse on December 20, 2010, 11:48:07 pm
Thats some serious dedication there. Great work
Title: Re: composites
Post by: Pat B on December 21, 2010, 12:19:40 am
She turned out great James. Is that the bow I shot when me and the old hippy were there with Patrick and Hannah?
  The paint job is impressive too. How does the prickly pear sealer work?
  Looks cold!!!  ::)  Are you sick of snow yet!  ;)
  Hey to Becca and the boys
Title: Re: composites
Post by: medicinewheel on December 21, 2010, 03:47:31 am
BEAUTIFUL...!
What does it look like unbraced??
Title: Re: composites
Post by: jamie on December 21, 2010, 09:51:41 am
i know this is a family site but all i can think to say is holy $#!)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: composites
Post by: shikari on December 21, 2010, 12:05:21 pm
another fantastic bow by you as usual,merry christmas.
Title: Re: composites
Post by: sharpend60 on December 21, 2010, 12:24:13 pm
I like the bow...
Hopefully my skill will be there one day.

Fantastic work!
Title: Re: composites
Post by: ohma on December 21, 2010, 01:14:41 pm
you are a true master.
Title: Re: composites
Post by: Barrage on December 21, 2010, 04:04:57 pm
Wow, that is just all round impressive.
Title: Re: composites
Post by: aero86 on December 21, 2010, 06:24:42 pm
oh i love it!  cant wait to see the others!
Title: Re: composites
Post by: toomanyknots on December 21, 2010, 09:05:27 pm
Gorgeous. The painting pattern is very nicely done. I would say that my favorite attribute is how the bow is very exotically painted, and somehow at the same time, pretty well camouflaged too! Very nice. I'm drooling.
Title: Re: composites
Post by: toomanyknots on December 21, 2010, 09:06:25 pm
Gorgeous. The painting pattern is very nicely done. I would say that my favorite attribute is how the bow is very exotically painted, and somehow at the same time, pretty well camouflaged too! Very nice. I'm drooling.
Title: Re: composites
Post by: Mechslasher on December 21, 2010, 10:59:07 pm
sweet!  it would be awesome if you killed a hog with that set up next week.
Title: Re: composites
Post by: mullet on December 21, 2010, 11:10:05 pm
 SWEET!, Are you going to bring it next week? I'd like to shoot it. Ya'll have a Merry Christmas, see you next Monday.
Title: Re: composites
Post by: Gaur on December 22, 2010, 01:58:52 pm
Beautiful bow James.  That is quite a concoction you use for painting and sealing.
Title: Re: composites
Post by: Parnell on December 22, 2010, 06:40:21 pm
Just saw this one, that is an amazing bow!
Title: Re: composites
Post by: 0209 on December 22, 2010, 06:50:25 pm
How did you get your glue joints so seemless?  Like that truly is amazing work because I'm trying to same thing right now and I'm embarassed of my work after looking at yours ha.  What did you use to glue your joints together and to glue the horn down?  Thanks and please keep us posted on the progress, it truly is beautiful James.
-Ian
Title: Re: composites
Post by: james parker on December 22, 2010, 08:56:26 pm
thanks everyone,,, here is the unbraced pics,,, here is the ansewers to your ?s,,  the egg binder and cactus water proofer is not my idea,,i read some old books that had the info on their uses.

the horn was glued on with sturgeon glue,and was butted at the center of the handel

i have several more composite bows that are near finished,ill post them when done


 thanks again  guys,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,james
Title: Re: composites
Post by: ken75 on December 22, 2010, 09:01:03 pm
thank you James. very nice
Title: Re: composites
Post by: james parker on December 22, 2010, 10:01:56 pm
thanks ken :)
Title: Re: composites
Post by: aero86 on December 23, 2010, 02:29:18 am
boy i sure cant wait!  probably be some BOM for a long time now!  lol
Title: Re: composites
Post by: toomanyknots on December 23, 2010, 10:04:50 am
I can't wait to see how the ones on the first page of your thread turn out. Everything looks very clean. Have you ever made a bow with siyahs as pronounced as the ones on the first page?
Title: Re: composites
Post by: fusizoli on December 23, 2010, 11:13:14 am
James! That set is a masterpiece in all part!

(will win bom shure)
Title: Re: composites
Post by: Kviljo on December 23, 2010, 08:24:57 pm
Fantastic equipment! Inspirational stuff. I'll be keeping an eye on this thread. I might have mentioned it before, but I really think you should post these at Atarn.net too.

What kind of horn did you use?
Title: Re: composites
Post by: larze_fat on December 27, 2010, 03:23:01 pm
wow, great work. i really like the sixth bow of the first pic. i was wondering what are dimension for that kind of bow.
Title: Re: composites
Post by: Aaron W on January 02, 2011, 01:28:10 am
James, that plains style bow is awesome...looks like it is bent almost double and great tiller.  The painting on this one is awesome...very inspiring.
Title: Re: composites
Post by: swamp yeti on January 02, 2011, 04:30:00 pm
                My swamp yeti is defitnitly going to take those away from you.Nice work James.
Title: Re: composites
Post by: mullet on January 02, 2011, 06:05:42 pm
 James, this bow is now in BOM. Can't wait to get mine.
Title: Re: composites
Post by: Hrothgar on January 03, 2011, 02:18:11 pm
Awesome looking bow. Nice matching set of arrows too.
Title: Re: composites
Post by: aero86 on January 03, 2011, 09:39:08 pm
your getting one mullet??  which one are you getting blessed with?
Title: Re: composites
Post by: mullet on January 03, 2011, 09:41:01 pm
 A Turkish Horn Bow ;D Had to trade my next Grandchild.
Title: Re: composites
Post by: aero86 on January 03, 2011, 09:43:11 pm
oh my are you lucky!!!  i want one bad!  ill trade my first born grandchild, in like 15 years! lol
Title: Re: composites
Post by: mullet on January 03, 2011, 09:53:18 pm
 I really think being the older and better looking cousin had something to do with it. :D
Title: Re: composites
Post by: aero86 on January 03, 2011, 10:21:07 pm
oh!! grrr, no fair!  lol  either way, hes always got my vote for bow of the month with these!
Title: Re: composites
Post by: Pat B on January 04, 2011, 12:55:46 am
Money talks, BS walks, Eddie!  ;)     You lucky dog!   8)  I want one too.
Title: Re: composites
Post by: trad_in_cali on January 23, 2011, 01:48:54 pm
Those look darn amazing. I'd like to see that double-recurve Scythian model... How are they coming?
Marco
Title: Re: composites
Post by: james parker on January 23, 2011, 02:51:29 pm
thanks tic,,here is mullets bow ,a short siyah,chinese style horn composite,,50"  groove to groove,almost 1-1/2 wide.bammboo core ,, i used poplar for the siyahs,to cut down on the tip weight,,it shoots really good ,no hand shock and very smooth draw,58# @28" .can be drawn to 31"  if his arms are long enough...........james
Title: Re: composites
Post by: james parker on January 23, 2011, 02:52:35 pm
more pics
Title: Re: composites
Post by: Pat B on January 23, 2011, 03:13:56 pm
James, if Eddie don't like it just send it to me!  ;D  ...and his arms are long enough to draw it 30".  Eddie is pretty long in the draw for a short guy.  ;D
  Very nice James. Your detail work in beautiful and I already know the quality of your work. Very well done.

I've got buff horns(from PJ) and lots of sinew and am still reading Karpowicz's book. I can only dream of making a bow like this one...or any of your Asiatic horn bows.
Title: Re: composites
Post by: Keenan on January 23, 2011, 03:55:36 pm
Incredible bow James, You sure are getting those horn bows figured out. 

Eddie, you are one lucky dog! :o :o
Title: Re: composites
Post by: mullet on January 23, 2011, 04:01:31 pm
 WHHHOOOO HHHHOOO! I see a road trip coming up real soon. that is nice, James. Thanks. ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: composites
Post by: 65x55 swedis on January 23, 2011, 04:02:52 pm
this is absolutely the colest and most beautiful thing i have seen! amazing work and beautiful craftmenship. i hoping to attempt to try to make one with out horn. think i might be able to come over and talk? lol ::)
Title: Re: composites
Post by: medicinewheel on January 23, 2011, 04:42:08 pm
James, if Eddie don't like it just send it to me!  ;D  ......
Was just going to say the same thing!

Fantastic work as always; thanks for sharing!!!
Title: Re: composites
Post by: medicinewheel on January 23, 2011, 04:43:25 pm
PS: The arrow pass is ray skin, right??
Title: Re: composites
Post by: aero86 on January 23, 2011, 05:36:02 pm
oh my!  i love it!!  care for a trade mullet??  lol

btw, someone let me know when this is up for BOM cause im voting for it
Title: Re: composites
Post by: mullet on January 23, 2011, 06:53:45 pm
 I just have to keep going back and looking at it. I want to shoot it and know it will be at least a week or two before I can make a high speed road trip to North Carolina to get it.  :) :'( :) :'( :) :'( ;D
Title: Re: composites
Post by: sonny on January 23, 2011, 07:22:58 pm
why not let the USPS make the road trip for ya ??????????
Title: Re: composites
Post by: aero86 on January 23, 2011, 08:02:16 pm
cause USPS isnt always exactly careful with packages, mostly when the packages are marked fragile..  no insurance can cover something like that..
Title: Re: composites
Post by: mullet on January 23, 2011, 08:24:15 pm
 Sonny, James said I will have to spend at least two hours so he can show me how to string and adjust it each time it's done till the bow takes a memory with the alignment. He said if it's not done as soon as the bow is strung, it will ruin it. I'm also going to make a thumb ring while I'm there and let James show me how to shoot with it.
Title: Re: composites
Post by: El Destructo on January 23, 2011, 08:32:00 pm
Awesome little Bow James....I love the Birch Bark Work too...nice touch...
Title: Re: composites
Post by: Barrage on January 23, 2011, 08:35:19 pm
Another nice horn bow James.  How does the draw feel with the sharp angle on the siyahs?  Looks like it would be real smooth.
Title: Re: composites
Post by: Mechslasher on January 23, 2011, 08:58:48 pm
sweeeeet!  might ride up and meet you at james' to watch you shoot it.
Title: Re: composites
Post by: mullet on January 23, 2011, 11:03:08 pm
 Chris, that would be fun. bring your 45, I'll bring my new one.
Title: Re: composites
Post by: james parker on January 24, 2011, 09:33:13 am
thanks fellows,,that is ray skin for the arrow pass,,  the bow does draw very smooth,with no stacking ,,it also has an early draw weight that is high..  it did gain three or four pounds  outside yestarday due to the  19 degree temp... but remained overall stable..i will be finishing up a turkish bow by the end of the month,,,, when done i will post,,,,,,,,thanks alll................james
Title: Re: composites
Post by: james parker on January 24, 2011, 09:34:00 am
thanks fellows,,that is ray skin for the arrow pass,,  the bow does draw very smooth,with no stacking ,,it also has an early draw weight that is high..  it did gain three or four pounds  outside yestarday due to the  19 degree temp... but remained overall stable..i will be finishing up a turkish bow by the end of the month,,,, when done i will post,,,,,,,,thanks all................james
Title: Re: composites
Post by: yehti on January 24, 2011, 11:19:25 am
james if you cant make anything that looks better than that i would be ashamed >:D.  if you would like i will be happy to push you in the creek behind your shop so that you could feel better for posting such a sad looking bow!!!  we'll take care of that when i see you on wednesday.
Title: Re: composites
Post by: Parnell on January 24, 2011, 11:35:37 am
Wow! :o 8)
Title: Re: composites
Post by: james parker on January 24, 2011, 08:34:43 pm
thanks parnell,,,see you wed yehti :)
Title: Re: composites
Post by: aero86 on January 24, 2011, 09:37:42 pm
i cant wait for the turkish.  were you making a korean style too?  id love to have one of both!  i just dont know if i could handle a horn bow, theres so much involved in it.
Title: Re: composites
Post by: flintstalker on January 25, 2011, 12:27:39 pm
Really cool James!  That makes processing all this sinew not so much of a process!  Take care>
Title: Re: composites
Post by: stickbender on January 25, 2011, 09:10:27 pm

     All hail James !  Hail!! 8)  Dang boy, that is just about slicker than snot on a door knob!  :o  Man that is just absolutely beautiful !! 8)  Look, Eddie really doesn't need that, what with all the traveling he does, and the chemicals he comes in contact with, and all the foreign insects, he probably has inadvertently brought into this country, and into his home, and there just might be a Southern Brazilian, munchecus, muchowoodo beetle, and larvae in his bow room.  So, I tell you what I will do, being the good Friend of Eddies,that I am, I will drive up there and pick up the bow for him, and receive the proper instructions on using and stringing, and storing etc., and then, I will store it in Montana, where it is nice and dry, and not all muggy, and damp, like down here.  I will see to it, that he gets to look at pictures, I mean, he gets to look at it, and maybe even shoot it, after proper instruction, on shooting with a thumb ring, and stringing, and restringing, etc.  Yes Sir, I will do that, now what would be a good day for me to come up and pick it up?  Hey, I'm just that kind of a guy, I don't ask for much, and I would do just about anything for my Friends, you know, it's just the way I am, I can't help it. ....... ::)
     That is one beautiful bow!!!!!  I'd dance in the rain for that Bow! ;) 

                                                                                                   Wayne
Title: Re: composites
Post by: HoBow on January 25, 2011, 09:34:29 pm
Awesome job!  Not ever being around a bow like this,  I'm curious about the two hours Eddie. What exactly do you have to to after stringing so it doesn't ruin it?  How long does it take to get its memory?  Also, how ya making the thumb ring?  Take pics ;) again- nice bow James!
Title: Re: composites
Post by: Justin Snyder on January 25, 2011, 11:35:39 pm
Very nice James, some real art there.
Title: Re: composites
Post by: Gaur on January 26, 2011, 11:32:51 am
Beautiful looking bow James.  I bet you have a few hours in that one.  Take care,  Randy
Title: Re: composites
Post by: oneeye on January 26, 2011, 03:54:46 pm
That's another beautiful bow!   Eddie's a lucky man.  So when can we see a build along? I really want to make a few of these horn bows.    Scott
Title: Re: composites
Post by: mullet on January 28, 2011, 10:37:19 am
 Jeff, James just told me he would have to show me how to adjust the string alighnment and tiller everytime I string it. And the proper way to string it without twisting the limbs( look at it unbraced :-\).  He said after it is braced quiet a few times it will develope a memory and start to fall into place. We are going to cut the thumb rings out of billiard balls. Hopefully, I'm driving up there next weekend.

 Can't wait to shoot in the Primitive class at our March 3-D State Tournament with it.
Title: Re: composites
Post by: Josh on January 28, 2011, 11:56:02 am
Another nice entry for Backed BOM James!  :o
Title: Re: composites
Post by: DEllis on January 28, 2011, 04:27:51 pm
Those are just nutz! :o Cant wait to see the angular one finnished.
Darcy :)