Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Arrows => Topic started by: lowell on April 28, 2007, 10:16:52 pm
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I have been given some turkey wings and will be using them to fletch some rose shoot arrows.
Looking at them, I was wondering if it was ok to mix primaries and secondaries on the same arrow if they came from the same wing??
Like make the cock a primary with 2 secondaries or vicea versa. Yes, no, absolutely not?????
Thanks, Lowell
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I wouldn't, but if you have no choice, I'm sure it will be fine. The reason I woudn't is that the primamary feathers are stiffer. They will probably fly just fine, though.
Sean
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ive mixed them up and they fly as good as my other arrows :)
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Thanks guys.
I have enough feathers to not have to mix them. The reason I asked was, the secondaries on the one bird were extra brown and thought it would look nice to use 2 secondaries and the primary for the cock.
I'm much more concerned with how they would fly than looks but if I could have both I'd be happy!!! :)
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Yep, you'd be just fine, I just would want all of my feathers to be primary on my arrows. :)
Sean
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Cutting them a little shorter in height would probably help minimize the difference. Most of the secondaries I have used have a stiffer area closer to the quill then abruptly goes soft. If you use the stiffer part it will be closer to the primary, but still not as stiff. Justin
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I wouldn't mix them unless I had to. As far as indicating the cock feather, I use the same color feathers for all 3. I use an indicator on the shaft itself to let me know, by feel, which way the arrow should be placed on the string but it really doesn't matter. Your arrow shoot as well with the cock feather in or out. Pat
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I use primarys but secondaries work fine on low poundage bows.They are not as nice looking as primaries and to soft for my use . Secondaries are also dull in color. In a pinch I would use them but would rather not.
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wow you guys are picky. ive never even considered it. if it comes off a bird and is long enough it goes on the shaft. once there is blood on the feathers they all go flat. peace
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But the important factor is before they get the blood on them.
Sean
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Jamie, I am not very picky. Why I do not care for secondaries for fletching is I use to hunt with a 72# bow at my draw and secondaries were so soft that they would lay down and rob stabilization. Now that I think about it i can use them ,I can hardly pull back a 45# bow now.:)
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If you are worried about a cock feather.Next time you shoot turn your cock feather in,you will not see much difference to worry about.Also the secondaries are good for the single fletch arrows like Bob shoots,not as much curve.
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On cane and shoot shafts if it don't shoot good one way just flip it over and try it again. Usually it will fly better unless it is totally out of whack. :o
I use primary, secondary, tail feathers and have used some of the smaller feathers for a native 3 fletch with full, small feathers tied up side down around the shaft to form a 3 fletch. Heck, You can tie pine needles on the back of your arrows and make them fly well. ??? Pat
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amen brother pat. lol
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Hey I bent a couple of store bought arras last night,(dont ask)whats the best way to straiten em?Auggie
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There are a few people who swear by cock-feather-in shooting. Set an arrow against your bow with the cock feather in and imagine the paradox of the arrow. You can easily see why it would help a paradoxing arrow straighten quicker.
J. D. Duff
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JD, you need to explain that statement....to me anyhow.
If properly spined an arrow is flexing such that the cock feather, if placed facing in for instance, will only barely touch the bow if it touches at all as the arrow passes the bow's grip.
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Since the initial paradox swings the feathered end left (for the right hand shooter), the two hen feathers provide more wind resistance to minimise this movement.
J. D. Duff
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JD, I'd have to argue the point that the quill glued down to shafting likely has more effect at stiffening an arrow than does a feather or two with regards to wind resistance.
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........Arrow bends in the middle not at the fletching.....bob
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an arrow bends more than just in the middle......
my comment suggesting that the quill affects the spine of an arrow is based on a long-ago conversation with the local archery guru who indicated that there is a difference between a bare shaft and a fletched arrow where spine is concerned..... a negligible amount to my mind but he was of the opinion that there was certainly a difference.
..and to think that I don't really care to get toooo technical about such things. I like to understand the technical aspects of archery but try not to dwell on it when building primitive archery tackle.
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All I'm saying can be reduced to this:
1. We put feathers on arrows to straighten them out faster.
2. This is accomplished by wind resistance.
3. Wind resistance is increased at a critical moment if the hen feathers are out.
Some people have told me that they went to cock-feather-in and will never look back. I can't tell much of a difference but I'm usually careful about spine.
J. D. Duff
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... Never heard that a arrow bends at the fletching. Live and learn I guess......bob
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I'm inclined to believe that an arrow hardly bends at all at the fletchings. You can taper the last ten inches of an arrow to a point with zero measureable affect on the spine.
J. D. Duff
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Well, it's just like a bow, the stress is less at the tips.
Sean
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Sean,
On a bow, the least amount of stress is at the tips. That explains why you can build a 200# bow with 3/8" tips.
J. D. Duff
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Sean,
On a bow, the least amount of stress is at the tips. That explains why you can build a 200# bow with 3/8" tips.
J. D. Duff
I know Sean, I'm a moron. I'm sorry I thought you were saying that the stress is more at the tips. Well, you are right, of course. Leave it to me to disagree with someone who's saying the exact same thing I am.
J. D. Duff
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I was reading over your last post wondering what I said wrong. ;D :D
Sean
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It's nice to know we agree now. :D
Sean
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I was reading over your last post wondering what I said wrong. ;D :D
Sean
Well, I've got you trained. ;D I am sorry about the confusion.
J. D. Duff
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Like I said before,It doesn't matter which way the feather is ::)