Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: Coo-wah-chobee on May 17, 2007, 02:40:16 pm
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Ok, this one is easier an here are clues. You eat fruit from it but its grafted on root stock when 1st made. Lives average of 25-30 years. Uh, Eddie dont give it away too soon. Guesses any one ? ;) ;D..bob
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Kiwi? Total guess.
Dave
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citrus, avocado? Pat
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Bow wood! Duh Justin
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Crooked Pecan LOL. Trap
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Hey Trapper :D :D :D, close ! Hey Pat, close ! Dave close ! Justin, :D :D :D. correct but not even close ! ;) ;D ;D..bob
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apple
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Ralph, apple dosen't grow down here, guess again ! ;).bob
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I know,I know! ;D
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Almond? Grapefruit? Lemon? Money tree?
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Huh, don't ask me, I'd just have to say it's some kind of woody stemmed plant, LOL. ;D
Sean
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Boy do I wish it was a money tree Steve ! ;D. Almond, grapefruit,lemon-nope but close.No darn it ,its a tree not a wooded stemmed plant Sean. Any more guesses ? Eddie-shush I knew you would know ! ;D ;D...bob
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Guava
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Nope Justin-but close ! ;D.bob
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avacodo
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Really close Ralph, but not it, try again ?..bob
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Ok, another clue. Polk County in florida is famous for it !... ;D..bob
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Uh,Bob I live in Polk county. ;)
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I know that Eddie..shushhhh ! ;D ;D...bob
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an orange
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Plum - - - whered I get plums :D
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Grape!!! Grapes are allways grafted at planting because of Phyloxera. ;D
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Its resistant to phytophtora ! ;D. Its Citrus aurantium also know as sour orange. Eddie knew right off and good guess Ralph ! Makes great bows, the one you see is 65'' long and about 2.5 " in diameter. Hardest part is finding a long enough piece fer a bow. Yup, Justin bow wood ! :D ;D ;D ;D ;D.....bob
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David, Grapes are vines not trees, darn it ! :o ;D...bob
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Bob When you come up I know where some are that are about 12" around and straight for about 15'.They are in a big, shady,Live Oak hammock.
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Lets do it when I come up ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D...........bob
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crabapple
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Bill-...............like I said to Ralph ,apples don't grow down here, too hot darn it. Bark does look similar dont it ?........bob
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Bob ,Apples do grow down here.There is a variety from Israel that grows good here and crab apples in North Fl.
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Eddie----Iam in agricultural zone 10a you are in 9. Keyes are 11. 20 degree diff between you an me, thats a lot..bob
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Mango or papaya? Pat
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Bob, a tree is a woody stemmed plant >:( right? :-[ I don't know, just call me an idiot. :D ;D
This was awsome, you should do it again some time. And keep Eddie out of it again or we'll never have any fun, LOL.
Sean
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Sean .......... a tree is a "tall" wooded plant as opposed to a shrub. But ok, I give will take youre explanation, close enuf. ;D Pat-you were real close I posted it on last page, Ralph guessed it and of course Eddie knew it, Darn" Polk Cty Crackers" :D. Its orange. Sean, made a suggestion, if you guys want to do this again I have some more. Hmm lets make it interesting, the next one if y'all want I will send to the first guy that names it with one kudo, have to make bendy handle d-bow ! Sean sorry Eddie's in too can't be discriminatory to another Floridian.......................... :D...bob
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Hey! Yes, that would be an great idea! But if you do it too much you won't have any wood left, Eddie will have it all. :D
Sean
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No he wont Sean,heh-heh-heh !.. ;D ;D ;D ;D..........bob
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Do other foks think this is a good idea ? Does anybody have other ideas to attach to it ? Wanna make this a monthly board thing ? Does anyboby else wanna participate ? Ideas please ! ;)..............bob
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Bob, you got us all confused, Pat's first guess was "citrus". Kind of a broad guess, but when you said no we quit guessing on the citrus. ;D ;D ??? ??? Justin
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No Justin, I said what is it. That requires a definite answer not a broad one. Hey, I didnt ask fer latin name ;) Ok, sorry if I confused ya. So if we do this again do we agree no broad categories ? Pat you had right broad category. 8)......bob
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Justin,I'll send you a bag of wild oranges and a bag of hamlin oranges.You can tell us if you can taste a difference.The wild oranges are left over from the first oranges brought over by DeSoto.
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I think that this is a great idea ;D Wish I would have logged in sooner ::) David
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So Bob, I guess that is Okeechobee Orange! ;D( like Osage Orange ::)) I'm in for your monthly mystery wood. Is this just for bow wood or any wood that is primitive archery related?
My next guess was gonna be the specific citrus fruits. ;) Pat
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Justin,I'll send you a bag of wild oranges and a bag of hamlin oranges.You can tell us if you can taste a difference.The wild oranges are left over from the first oranges brought over by DeSoto.
How about you send me a stave from each type and see if I can tell the difference. ::) I know the difference, I just didn't guess citrus. Now if Bob had said right family but be more specific, my first guess would have been Citrus aurantium also know as sour orange. ;) :-* At least that is my story and I'm sticking to it. :D Justin
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Hey Pat, ;D ! Ok so give me some more ideas guys . Lets make this a monthly board thing not just a few people. Eddie, youre involved in this I volunteer you ! ;D Do we want just bow wood or like Pat's suggestion any wood that is primitive archery related ? Come on everybody put on your'e thinkin'caps !........bob
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Ok Justin, you asked fer it dude ! ;) You an only you will have to give latin name, common name and family name if ya participate :o ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D........bob
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Can I bribe Eddie and Hillbilly for input. ;D Justin
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Nope Justin (chucklehead 2)-------------------sooo sooorrry ! ;D ;D......bob
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Don't worry about me.I don't like using Florida wood except cedar.I like yeller'wood.
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Bob ,can the rest of us submit a stave once in awhile?
I for one would love to turn the tables and stump you.
Ralph
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If y'all want, we can set up some basic guidelines that seem fair to everyone. Lets say, to start :Anybody can submit a stave for the month. 2) No broad categories, need to name wood. 3) People in same state cannot put in a guess. 4) First person to name wood correctly wins. 5) Owner of wood has to send winner wood. 6) Winner must make bendy handle huntin' d-bow and submit on board and show everyone else. 7) Honor system is in effect. 8) No backed bows, only rawhide, sinew, linen, etc. Can anyone think of anything else, and is this agreeable to everyone ? If not, lets discuss it. I think we all could learn a lot from this, especially if wood is not in our geographic area and we can work some different woods. Do we want only bow wood or as mentioned before by Pat can any primitive wood be used; Arrow shoots, etc. Should we include makin spears and atlatals from natural material. Ralph, Iam sure I can be stumped ! ;) What does everybody think, comon lets make this a fun endeavor ! ;D ;D...........bob
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I for one think that the rule that no one in the same state rule is pointless. At least in my case. ;D It doesn't matter where the tree grows, I don't know what it is. :D
Sean
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Ha, your last one could have grown on the slopes of the Himalayas for all I knew. :D
Sean
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Ok Sean, :D so maybe we should discuss this and get a general consensus ?....bob
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Sounds like a good time to me Non. ;D Besides bow wood, it might be fun to do shoots, or shafts. You could post a picture of the shoots, or trunk of the tree type that matches the shafts. Justin
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More opinions please ?.Sounds good to me "chucklehead 2 " ;D.........bob
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This could be fun and educational. ;) One suggestion...to help make this educational, the person who is submitting the wood should know what they are submitting. They should know the botanical name and some characteristics. A common name(as long as the common name is common enough!) can be used by those guessing the wood. We have a few folks around here that use botanical names and I'd like to see more folks following suite. That is the only way to truly know what you are dealing with(anywhere around the world). A simple field guide to trees(or a Google search) will give all of that info. We, as wood bowyers should know what we are dealing with in our bow wood. This is a good chance for all to learn trees(and shrubs and other plants) and get some good bow wood, or at least good experimentation wood :o to work with.
Plant ID is something I enjoy. A friend and myself used to have a simple competition while walking through the woods. Point out a tree and ID it. You can tell what it is by it's leaves, bark, canopy shape(if out in the open), limb structure and other characteristics. It didn't take long for both of us to get pretty good at tree ID. So!, we made the rule we couldn't look higher than 4' above the ground. That makes it a bit more difficult...but that is the first place I look now when I try to ID a tree.
Please don't be intimidated by the botanical names. The specie name usually will give you a characteristic(s) of the plant. Pat
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I think Pat has a good suggestion. Submittee of wood should know what it is and its botannical name, characteristics, etc. Not good enuf for him or her to say its "hickory".LOL That leaves to many types of hickory possible and what is called one thing here may not be called that there. There are many regional names of wood that dont correspond to name in another region. Botannical names are not hard to learn, as Pat said, hey if I can do it anyboy can, and it leaves no doubt about what you are describing. Any other suggestions ? When we are all done I will start another thread for this.............................bob
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I think we would have to leave the bark on for the picture. This could be alot of fun and edju..edu..edguc..., it could make us smarter! ;D....Brian
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lol, Lord knows some of us could use it! ;D
Sean
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Sounds good to me. Do we get leaves to look at or just a chunk of wood?
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I dont think leaves are a good idea. One of the benefits of this will be to be able to get better at identifying trees, etc in their winter dress (no foliage). What do you think and others ? ???.............bob
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I agree with Bob. If you tell a little about the tree and show a picture of the bark it should work. You might have to do a little reading/studying. :-X OOPS did I say that out loud. This is about education anyway. Do we get ONE GUESS only Bob? That will force people to try to figure it out, not just start flinging arrows at random. It will also allow guys who aren't on the sight when it is first posted to have a chance, not just let one guy guess until he gets lucky. Justin
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And maybe each winner can supply the next species to be figured out.
Just a thought it could keep a nice rotation going unless one person out there just kept winning.
Blake
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Or 1 guess a day?
Ralph
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Does it have to be bow wood or any tree. What about including arra shrubs, bushes etc.
Dana
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..................................... I think Justin's idea to have the winner supply the next month's bow wood for identification is a good one. Guesses, hmmm still thinkin' about that one ! ??? I think it should be bow wood or supposed bow wood and arrow wood as Pat suggested, not just any shrub. Theres lots of things out there to try. This is a primitive wood bow buildin site thats reason fer bow wood, at least my initial thoughts. What do y'all think ? Ideally this should be a co-operative effort by all. A question, what do y'all want to do if no-one identifies the wood that month ?............bob
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..................................... I think Justin's idea to have the winner supply the next month's bow wood for identification is a good one.
I would love to take credit for that one Bob, but that was Blake. I think you give a couple of days and if nobody gets it right, you post pictures of the foliage, or tell a little bit more about the fruit. I like the one guess per day idea. Justin
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I love the idea.....to add to what Justin said, maybe after a couple of days show the fruit or flower....
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I think we ought to take this opportunity to experiment with different woods. We know that osage, red oak, hickory, etc will make a bow. There are lots of other woods out there that we ain't tried yet and a simple bendy handle bow is the perfect design to experiment with. If you pick a wood, you should at least believe it will make a bow from its characteristics and habits.
I think arrow woods also. You will have to tell if the wood has to be split or whether shoots can be used.
Its good to see that others are interested in learning about different trees and shrubs that can be used in archery. This will get us all closer to true primitive archery...using the materials that are available to us. I'm looking forward to this. My brain is already searching. ??? ??? ;) Pat
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Sorry Blake, thx Justin fer settin' me straight. ;D We are gettin closer to a arrangement here, so lets all go the extra mile. So bow woods that are not commonly used, arrow shoots or splits. What 'bout wood that can make decent atlatals and darts ? Same fer spears ? Do we want to see both made and shown on forum ? How 'bout one guess per day ? What if no one guesses correctly on that wood that month ? Who does next months wood id ? My feelin' is that we dont wanna show leaves or fruit ,takin' advantage of Pat's practice of only lookin' at tree bark up 4' or so. If'n its too easy we dont have to think or research. I dont think object of this is to get wood fer a bow, rather to learn more. Do u foks feel the same ?.............................bob
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Thought I would show y'all the sour orange hacked down with hachet and rasped to 2" x 1 1/2" thick with glued ends and ready to dry now fer some months in a/c. Brought it down to 57", check out natural reflex ! ;D, Btw where are we on this monthly mystery wood thing ?.....bob
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Bob, this is your baby. We are all anxiously waiting for you to make the rules official. ;D Maybe we could do the one guess per day thing. Post a picture of the bark on the 1st of the month, with a simple description. If nobody gets it by the 15th we can post a picture of the leaves. But hey, its your baby. ;D Justin
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Ok, I will start a new thread called "Monthly Mystery Wood", next week and state the rules that we are goin' to follow. Hopefully, everyone that wants to participate will agree to them. Since I posted 2 woods already, does someone want to start off in June ? I think you (Justin) have a good idea, if no one guesses by the 15th of that month, the submitee of the wood can then show some leaves or fruit, berries. Does this sound ok to everybody ? Sorry, for delay 'till next week but have a lot goin' on at the moment.....bob
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I have a branch of pear that looks just like that..
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Rich........... Thats funny. I have never worked with pear. Hmm....................crab n' pond apple,orange ,grapefriuit,avacado and jackfruit that I can remember. Do you know what species of pear it is ?................bob
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Sour orange. I imagine it has already been figured out through. Thats my guess