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Title: BB Santos Rosewood
Post by: Marc St Louis on August 06, 2007, 07:32:48 am
This is a D/R Bamboo backed Santos Rosewood bow I recently made. The bow is 62" N to N with 1 1/8" wide limbs that taper to 1/4" nocks, the limbs have a slight D section to them. It pulls 55# @ 28" and even though I haven't chronographed the bow I can tell from shooting it that it's fast. I glued in about 1 1/2" of reflex and it holds about 1/2" after shooting it several times. You can see from the picture of the limbs that the Rosewood has a very attractive grain to it. t's a very oily wood and does not seem to be bothered by moisture. Here's some pics

(http://marc.stoneflake.net/Simple%20Composite%20Bows/Bamboo%20backed%20Rosewood/Braced%20and%20Side%20view.jpg)

(http://marc.stoneflake.net/Simple%20Composite%20Bows/Bamboo%20backed%20Rosewood/Limbs.jpg)

(http://marc.stoneflake.net/Simple%20Composite%20Bows/Bamboo%20backed%20Rosewood/Limb%20Tips.jpg)

Title: Re: BB Santos Rosewood
Post by: medicinewheel on August 06, 2007, 07:36:29 am

hey mark!  -  nice bow, sure looks fast!
frank
Title: Re: BB Santos Rosewood
Post by: jamie on August 06, 2007, 08:00:52 am
that is beautiful!
Title: Re: BB Santos Rosewood
Post by: Ryano on August 06, 2007, 10:16:09 am
Marc, your bows have a look all there own.  8) Thats a beauty and I'm sure it is a good performer with those dimensions.  ;D
Title: Re: BB Santos Rosewood
Post by: DanaM on August 06, 2007, 10:36:40 am
Blows me away Marc, awesome bow and beautiful.
Title: Re: BB Santos Rosewood
Post by: Badger on August 06, 2007, 10:52:57 am
Thats a beauty as usual mark, I really like how you deflex them right through the handle, gives the bow some awesome lines. Steve
Title: Re: BB Santos Rosewood
Post by: tradrick on August 06, 2007, 10:53:52 am
Great looking bow.What did you use for tip overlays?It looks like a real smooth transition from overlays to limbs,thats the detailed stuff I need to learn.tradrick
Title: Re: BB Santos Rosewood
Post by: OldBow on August 06, 2007, 11:09:09 am
That is absolutely gorgeous not only for wood but for your D/R profile.  Got anybody around to crank it back?
Title: Re: BB Santos Rosewood
Post by: Gordon on August 06, 2007, 11:11:06 am
Wow, that bow is drop dead gorgeous!
Title: Re: BB Santos Rosewood
Post by: Justin Snyder on August 06, 2007, 11:27:47 am
The rosewood definitely has a beautiful grain to it. The bow looks wonderful.  What is the white in the riser?  Justin
Title: Re: BB Santos Rosewood
Post by: Marc St Louis on August 06, 2007, 04:39:09 pm
Thanks guys.

Steve. I believe that there's more performance in a bow when the deflex is in the handle. I would have tried more reflex and most likely a gain in performance in the process but there was to much grain runoff for me to be comfortable doing it.

The overlays are Buff horn, Tradrick

One last coat of finish drying, Don. Then I can do a full draw

Justin. The riser is built up of White Ash, Bubinga then Rosewood.

I'll most likely use this bow for hunting this Fall, unless I sell it first :)
Title: Re: BB Santos Rosewood
Post by: Jbell on August 06, 2007, 09:25:42 pm
Now that is a beautiful bow! Can't wait to see it at full draw. Btw, what finish did you use on that bow Marc?  Just out of curiosity.
Title: Re: BB Santos Rosewood
Post by: Marc St Louis on August 06, 2007, 09:43:07 pm
Thank you Justin. The same finish I use on all my bows. Alternating layers of tung oil and shellac with a final coat of paste wax
Title: Re: BB Santos Rosewood
Post by: Jbell on August 06, 2007, 09:48:58 pm
Can I be nosy and ask why you alternate between them. I just used tung oil for my last selfbow and really liked it, went on real easy, dried fast and looked dynamite. Thanks Marc.
Title: Re: BB Santos Rosewood
Post by: david w. on August 06, 2007, 10:29:18 pm
thats a pretty bow
Title: Re: BB Santos Rosewood
Post by: Jesse on August 06, 2007, 11:06:31 pm
That is the kind of finish I want to get. Any certain brands or application tips your willing to share?  That bow is very thin wow I think I would be asking for trouble trying to make one with those dimentions. Nice work.
                                                            Jesse
Title: Re: BB Santos Rosewood
Post by: Marc St Louis on August 06, 2007, 11:55:16 pm
Well the way I see it. All 3 are different from each other. The tung oil comes from a nut, the shellac is alcohol based with a beetle extract and the wax is well wax :). The tung oil by itself is a mediocre moisture repellant and so is the shellac but the wax is excellent. I figure that alternating layers of the tung and shellac must surely be better than each by itself and the wax is like icing on the cake. For me moisture protection comes first but I also like my bows to look good.

Jesse. I use a 2# cut of shellac and a good name brand tung oil. The paste wax is by Johnson and is recommended for furniture and floors
Title: Re: BB Santos Rosewood
Post by: Marc St Louis on August 07, 2007, 12:13:35 am
In any case here is a full draw picture

(http://marc.stoneflake.net/Simple%20Composite%20Bows/Bamboo%20backed%20Rosewood/Full%20Draw.jpg)
Title: Re: BB Santos Rosewood
Post by: Jbell on August 07, 2007, 12:23:43 am
Thanks Marc, makes good sense to me. Your full draw is impeccable as usual. Superb job!
Title: Re: BB Santos Rosewood
Post by: Stickhead on August 07, 2007, 09:53:52 am
You're a real inspiration, Marc.  That bow's a beauty, and the tiller looks perfect to me.
Title: Re: BB Santos Rosewood
Post by: snedeker on August 07, 2007, 10:35:37 am
terrific design, tiller, and wood.  I have learned some things and gotten plenty of ideas from seeing your bows. I see that it is Dalbergia nigra, in the Leguminoseae family. Seems to be a good family for bow wood doesn't it.

Dave
Title: Re: BB Santos Rosewood
Post by: 1/2primitive on August 07, 2007, 10:42:37 am
Wow, you're right, the grain is stunning.      That's a beauty!
     Sean
Title: Re: BB Santos Rosewood
Post by: OldBow on August 07, 2007, 12:29:43 pm
Thanks for the full draw, Marc.  This bow has got to be one of your best.
Title: Re: BB Santos Rosewood
Post by: Pappy on August 07, 2007, 12:38:36 pm
Beautiful bow Marc,don't see anything I don't like on that one.Beautiful wood and tiller is dead on
it should be a real shooter. :)
   Pappy
Title: Re: BB Santos Rosewood
Post by: Coo-wah-chobee on August 07, 2007, 01:34:49 pm
                          Thats a very nice bow Marc bettcha will hunt good.............bob
Title: Re: BB Santos Rosewood
Post by: duffontap on August 07, 2007, 01:44:26 pm
You really need to work on your tillering skills. ;D ;D ;D  Perfect as usual.  What a beautiful bow.  I hope you have a chance to chronograph it sometime.  Graceful lines and beautiful wood.  What a treat.

            J. D.
Title: Re: BB Santos Rosewood
Post by: Marc St Louis on August 07, 2007, 02:09:12 pm
Thanks guys. I haven't been making many bows for myself lately. I was actually thinking of auctioning this one as a blank on paleo initially but changed my mind. I'm glad I did :).

It is indeed Dave. Expensive though. It's like $25 a board ft.

Sometimes I get lucky with the tiller, Josh :)
Title: Re: BB Santos Rosewood
Post by: Jesse on August 07, 2007, 05:24:04 pm
Great full draw pic. I think I will keep that one for a reference when I'm tillering the next one. I think its easier to find mistakes when I have something to compare it to.
                                                                   Jesse
Title: Re: BB Santos Rosewood
Post by: Dane on August 07, 2007, 07:07:11 pm
Beautiful work, I'd say a work of art as well as a fine weapon. Say, my brother also spells his name with a c. I probably said that before.

Dane
Title: Re: BB Santos Rosewood
Post by: huntersim on August 07, 2007, 07:09:19 pm
Marc, I like the profile on that bow. Looks good.
Title: Re: BB Santos Rosewood
Post by: venisonburger on August 07, 2007, 11:16:38 pm
Nice looking bow, the grain of the wood is exceptional.
VB
Title: Re: BB Santos Rosewood
Post by: Marc St Louis on August 08, 2007, 07:39:36 am
Thanks again guys.

Dane. The English spell my name with a K. You must have French in you
Title: Re: BB Santos Rosewood
Post by: NOMADIC PIRATE on August 08, 2007, 08:24:03 am
That full draw is pretty sick ;D
Title: Re: BB Santos Rosewood
Post by: MattE on August 08, 2007, 08:33:17 am
There ought to be a law against one person having so much talent. :)
As always your work is exceptional.
Title: Re: BB Santos Rosewood
Post by: Dane on August 08, 2007, 08:33:43 am
Thanks again guys.

Dane. The English spell my name with a K. You must have French in you

Yes, some French ancestry. But no Danish, so my first name doesn't make sense in that respect.

Dane
Title: Re: BB Santos Rosewood
Post by: Marc St Louis on August 09, 2007, 08:15:10 am
You are a funny guy, Matt, but thanks
Title: Re: BB Santos Rosewood
Post by: a finnish native on August 09, 2007, 10:30:26 am
I don't usually like R/D bows, but this one is admirable.
Title: Re: BB Santos Rosewood
Post by: AndrewS on August 09, 2007, 01:29:29 pm
Great Bow!



 ;)
Title: Re: BB Santos Rosewood
Post by: Badger on August 09, 2007, 01:44:54 pm
I was just looking at that full draw pic, bow has great string angles. That same design is even taing over the modern bow community.
Title: Re: BB Santos Rosewood
Post by: Marc St Louis on August 10, 2007, 12:37:26 pm
I shot a Bamboo backed BL bow today that I made a few years ago, this bow here to be precise.

(http://marc.stoneflake.net/More%20Bows/Deflex%20Reflex%20BBBL/Combo.jpg)

It's very similar to this Rosewood bow but it has some string contact, also the limbs are wider. Length is about the same, draw weight and draw length the same but there is a noticeable difference in performance. It's easy to tell the Rosewood bow is quite a bit faster.
Title: Re: BB Santos Rosewood
Post by: Badger on August 10, 2007, 01:10:41 pm
Mark, on the bbl, do you remeber what the starting profile was before tillering as opposed to after tillering? Steve
Title: Re: BB Santos Rosewood
Post by: Marc St Louis on August 10, 2007, 02:55:18 pm
Steve
It's been 3 years since I made this bow. I'll have to have a look in some older pictures to see if I have some of this bow before tillering. I'm not home right now and it's going to be a few days before I get back. I will let you know
Title: Re: BB Santos Rosewood
Post by: ber643 on August 10, 2007, 03:16:36 pm
I love the BBR R/D, Mark, as I said on another forum and was happy to add the FD to my TBD pages already.

http://residents.bowhunting.net/bsdunn/tbd14.htm
Title: Re: BB Santos Rosewood
Post by: mamba on August 11, 2007, 04:10:11 pm
Beautiful bow Marc,you are a master!
Title: Re: BB Santos Rosewood
Post by: koan on August 11, 2007, 04:20:40 pm
Sweet bow Mark, and the tiller looks awsome!....Brian
Title: Re: BB Santos Rosewood
Post by: Marc St Louis on August 12, 2007, 08:24:52 am
Thanks guys.

I've heard that Santos Rosewood is no longer available as it's illegal to cut it now.