Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: k-hat on March 01, 2012, 05:27:48 pm
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Got my TG tradebow in the works, and i'm tryna think ahead as to what profile i want to go with. I have a little of the last ring to chase, then hopefully i'll be moving pretty quickly on profiling and straightening.
Here are two pics of where she is now, one slightly offset from the other, tryna decide where i wanna center it:
(http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd374/k-hat/tradebow2.jpg)
(http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd374/k-hat/tradebow1.jpg)
the grid markings are 2"x2". At first i was thinking maybe a 5 curve like Gun Doc and some others have done recently, but then i'm thinking maybe just take out that deflex on the right and make the right match the left. Is 5-6" of straightlimbed backset too much? Haven't done any with backset out of the handle like that, I usually induce a more gentle curve to reflex the limbs.
If you have any example of one that had a lot of backset from the handle, I'd love to see it!
Thanks for any input ;D
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Oh yeah, and she lines up very nicely from tip to tip, almost board straight in that regard, thankfully 8)
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That I a scary peice of wood, you are one brave dude to undertake a project like that
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Man! Your just gettin cocky now! Taming that last beast so well must a made an impact on ya'! Can't wait to see how this one turns out. Josh
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LOL Doc :laugh:, i guess so, cause i didn't think it looked that bad compared to the last one!! :o
This is a sister stave to that last one i did. Gonna definitely do some straightening this time though to make it a little easier on the tiller, get rid of some of the character. . . i think. . . >:D
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NO NO NO! We mustn't rid the character! Embrace the character! ;) Ok, you might have to tame it a little. >:D Just clowning. Josh
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The problem with backset is getting good string tension at brace. I ran into this back in my glass laminated bow days playing with handle shapes in take-downs. I'm assuming the back is up in the pictures. I would heat bend the left limb to roughly the same profile as the right limb. Then it'd be a toss-up to go that way or add a little recurve/reflex to the tips to get them nearer the plane of the handle. I'd probably start with them straight, leaving the tips a little thick so I could flip them later if I thought the bow needed it.
Looking forward to what you come up with. That's a very cool stave. Good luck.
George
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Whoops!!! :o Forgot to mention that the belly is up, the back is down. So now what George >:D (sounded like really good advice though!
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what kind of wood is it?
heres what what i would do if it were me(if its osage.or a strong compression wood)...id get it down to floor tiller,then correct that kink in that right limb to match the other limb,then id flip the tips,then id put one or two layers of sinew on it as is and dont reverse brace it,or pull it down on a form to induce anymore setback cus youll have enough already and the sinew will pull in another inch plus....so yup,id make a sinewed 5 curve with that.
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It's hackberry bro! Can't wait to see what she can do, and i'll probly cry like a baby when i send her off to her betrothed :'(
As for sinew, I don't have any and don't think i'm ready for it yet! I was really hopin to do this one unbacked to prove to myself that i can ::), since i had to back the last one that i really didn't want to cuz she lifted an ugly splinter. This one is super clean and no pin knots on the back at all (after removing a lot of bad sapwood and chasing a ring), there is one nice lil knot that i may be able to profile away :)
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i think you can still make an unbacked 5 curve IF theres no knot in that handle area...if not then i think it would be safe to heat that area and take a lil bit of that setback out. if there is a knot there you can take some of it out in each fade area as well,but carefully is the key word to either way.you ll have to slowly ease her down lil by lil,step by step,twist by twist of a clamp with dry heat. once pliable ease her down a lil to the point of where it just starts to tighten up,then stop,reapply oil and keep heating it,then repeat till your just a hair past your desired goal. understand amigo?
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Thanks for the input Blackhawk. I comprende amigo ::) (intentional bad spanglish there >:D). So are you saying that as is the handle is set back too far? There's no knot in that area, very clear, so bending it shouldn't pose a problem.
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Well, she's not my tradebow as i thought, but she's done. I decided to gift her to the guy that let me cut the tree down that she came from. I wound up chasing down to a good ring and tillering her with very little correction at all. I did flip the tips slightly to diminish stack because the guy has a long draw (29"). She's actually the sister stave to this one http://www.primitivearcher.com/smf/index.php/topic,30090.0.html (http://www.primitivearcher.com/smf/index.php/topic,30090.0.html), i think you can see the resemblance!
Specs: Hackberry, 50#@29", 66"ntn, osage rest and tip overlays, light walnut finish with poly then waxed.
Oh, and her name is "Beauty" due to the lovey beauty mark on the top limb ;D
(http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd374/k-hat/100_1480.jpg)(http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd374/k-hat/100_1479.jpg)
(http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd374/k-hat/100_1482.jpg)
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more:
(http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd374/k-hat/100_1477.jpg)
(http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd374/k-hat/100_1483.jpg)
(http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd374/k-hat/100_1478.jpg)(http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd374/k-hat/100_1486.jpg)
Hope y'all like :)
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Nice, K-Hat. Real nice profile!! :)
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Very nice Kevin. Looks like a speedster to me, and smooth.
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Thanks Ken, thanks PD. Ya she is a pleasure to shoot. Smooth and sweet. Forgot to mention i did temper the belly, don't know if the pics show it. That helped quite a bit I think given the strain on the limbs due to the curves.
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BEAUTIFUL!!!
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That turned out really nice. That strung profile is beautiful. Those setback handles are always a tough tiller for me.
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Thanks knots and okie. I'll admit it WAS a tough tiller, but luckily i had some good teachers help me through tillering the sister stave ;) GunDoc's advice on the sister was quite useful. I also used calipers extensively through the floor tiller and after to get'r on the right track.
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Wow! Really sharp. Great bend and I like that lighter finish.
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nice finish work on that one. very nice looking bow over all. Love that profile. I have a hack berry stave I have been taking off the shelf then putting back on for some time now not knowing just what I wanted to do with it. This gives me some ideas.
Thanks for sharing.
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Great job on a tough piece of wood there. I could see myself trying to balance tiller until I ended up with a 26# bow by the time I got it right. Nice work
Greg
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That turned out great Hat!!!
Talk about making character work for you ;)
bet it shoots great!!
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Beautiful work, really like the sideline!
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Thanks Slimbob, boughnut. I was looking to darken the hackberry up just a touch, and the light walnut worked out pretty good. Get after that hackberry boughnut, you'll love it!
Thank you badlybent, ahem it was supposed to be a 60# bow from the get-go, but given the character and the knot (beauty mark), i figured i'd better come in a little light so she's not overstrained. That's my story and i'm sticking to it ;)
Appreciate the compliments Coaster and medicinewheel, I think i'm becoming quite partial to character bows ;D
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I am highly impressed! That was a tough stick to tiller and you nailed. Naming her beauty is not quite doing her justice. Well done Sir! Josh
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Sweet bow from a challenging piece of wood.
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Thanks DVS, and thanks Josh. Again, your advice on the sister was vital on this one, else i WOULD have ended up with a 26# bow with hand shock to boot! Y'alls kind words mean a lot, thanks again :)
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From the very first picture of this project I didn't think the wood would burn straight much less make a bow!
Thank you for proving me wrong, I love it!
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Thanks JW, it sat in my corner for months trying to decide if it wanted to be a bow. Guess it made up it's mind ::)
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Very nice! That's a tough tiller when you have different limb entry points into the handle. Jawge
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Yes sir it is, and thanks Jawge! I figured i was better off almost looking at each limb independently, and finishing in the hand was even more necessary for balancing. yet another learning process not without mistakes!
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Nicely done, great challenge.
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Well, as mentioned previously, the intended recipient for this bow was the landowner who let me hack down a hackberry on his property. We FINALLY were able to work out a meeting so I could orientate him properly on his new bow (he's been a died-in-the-wool wheelie bow guy). Just had to share the experience:
I had sent him a couple of teaser pics when she was done and he had basically a "hey that's cool, looking forward to tryn it" kind of attitude (a little underwhelming for me). But I was determined to follow thru on my promise. We've talkd before when i showed him a different bow i had in progress and he basically saw a cool toy, didn't think it could do anything serious. So I show up at his house Saturday morning and the process started: "i can't believe how light it is, it's beautiful!". I'm like "ok, good, at least it won't be lost on him, he can appreciate a good thing." After a few shots (at short draw, better than overdraw!!), a transformation began. "Wow! It really hits" he says. I'll have to admit, she was really pounding them home, knocking over his heavy target at times. Don't know that he ever pulled the full 50 lbs, but she was really performing nonetheless. He asked questions and i informed, and every shot sunk the hook deeper and deeper >:D Before I knew it, his "weekend toy" became a contender for more serious business, and then he was like "i know what i'm hunting with this season!!" (opened yesterday round here in fact). This is no little guy (full 29" draw, he's about 6'3", 200#, and fit), so it just cracked me up to actually hear this grown man GIGGLING about half-way into our session. i half expected him to start jumping up and down in excitement (he may have when i wasn't looking). He sounded like a 9 year old who just shot his first BB gun on Christmas day!! He was perty good with this stick as well, he only missed once at the beginning, then struck kill shots on every last one. He even backed it out to 30 yards and nailed it! (I call that one The Clincher!). He kept saying "what do I owe you? I can't believe i love it so much!" But as mentioned it was intended as a gift and it stayed that way :laugh:
I wish I was a better storyteller, but to make a long story short: I think it's safe to say we have a new convert 8) In fact, he went to cabela's shortly after I left and got over $200 worth of target and hunting arrows ;D
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I think you told that story just right. Way to go!
George
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Yup, I love a good story.
And that's a good story
Del
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Wow, i love this design of bow, nice curves on it!
Cool story too, i guess this is a good example of how fast these primitive weapons hook people!
All in all awesome work 8)
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Awe shux, thanks guys ;D It was just too cool not to share!
He mentioned back in the summer maybe harvesting an osage together and having me make one for his dad for Christmas. Too close now for this christmas, but I'm thinkin of offering to go a step further and teach him to make it himself for his dad for next Christmas or Father's day, that way wood will have time to season. He seemd to wanna outdo his brothers and i think that'll do the trick lol
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It's not too late to make an osage bow, just too late to use his wood. You have one already started in my shop. That stave is still yours if you want.
George
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Good story, thanks for sharing that. Most wheelie guys that I run into are not the least bit interested in wood bows. You know the look they give you and about the only question they have is 'can ya kill a deer with that'. Good to hear your guy was thrilled, sometimes I
think if a person would just try it once they would find they like it. Nice work k-hat.
Greg
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Thanks bent, and i agree, just give it a chance.
George, i feel bad i haven't been able to make it out that way, especially as close as it is. I'd still love to finish that baby up, but if you find a use for it before i do, feel free to go for it, I hate to make you hold onto it. I plan on taking a day off a month this year from work, so maybe we can coordinate and get together. i'll let you know when it's coming up for october:)
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You've got to be kidding, do you remember how much osage was in my driveway? I've cut wood since then too. That stave will still be standing there at the end of the workbench. Heaven forbid I should clean that shop. :o
George
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lol, alright then. Looks like i'll have an osage hunting bow in my near future :)
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PM me your address. I'll take a picture of the 3 bows in progress, you'll have to help me identify yours. :-[ I have another billet to send out and I can send them both at the same time.
George