Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Arrows => Topic started by: Timmah on August 28, 2007, 05:09:02 am
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I thought I would share a few images of the new arrows that I am working on. They are POC shafts with spiraled Purpleheart footings. They are also self nocked with purpleheart inserts. I'll get feather splicing tomorrow and hopfully come up with something wonderful. :-)
Cheers,
Tim
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Tim, did you cut the splice groove by hand or use a spiral jig? Eather way nice job. I like my results when I am done with a set but almost dread doing them. :'(
Dick
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Now that is just to cool!!
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Dick,
I didnt use a spiral jig. You have got me thinking about it now. I understand the straight jig but I cant work out how you would make a spiral jig. Did you buy yours or make it? Any details or pics?
Cheers,
Tim
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Those are definitely cool looking footings Tim. You did a great job. Justin
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If you had a milling machine you could make a siral cut but I would stay with the heat and twist method using your jig. A spiral cut will violate the grain and the tips will most certainly break off.
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Yeah no chance of getting a milling machine. I'll stick with the heat method.
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Them are really cool arrows,Never seen any like that before.Good job. :)
Pappy
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Man, that is cool. Was going to ask how you did that, but sounds like a heat and twist thing. I have Dick's footing tool right now, think I'm going to go ahead and return that - don't look like I'll have time to mess with it before huntin season this year.
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Yeah Cowboy - heat and twist. Heat em up and slowly twist the shaft around. There are a few ways of doing it. I have seen some people that spin them in a power drill using the friction to heat and the drill to twist at the same time. I cheat and use a heat gun ;-)
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They look wonderful!
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Timmah,Do you try to glue them before you heat and twist,or just rely on the tight fit of the cut when you twist it.
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all i can say is wow
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Mullet, I glue before I twist. I use Selleys Aquadhere Exterior to glue footings. Its not the strongest glue but it hasn't caused me any problems, its cheap, easy to work with and clean up. Its conveniently heat resistant up to 110deg Celsius aswell ;-)
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Hi, those are very beautiful arrows, do you have a picture of a finished arrow?
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holy @#%@ ;D
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No finished arrows yet - Ive spent way to much time making shafts and not fletching or "pointing" em! Worst thing is I have a pile of footed shafts but I cant make up my mind - they are all different timbers. No consistency.
To make matters worse I recently went to a local wood working show and spent $$$ on exotic timbers for footings. African Padauk, African Wenge, ZebraWood, Flame Rosewood, African Rosewood, Rengas, Lancewood etc... I dunno If I'll ever get around to fletching with all the excitement of new timber!!!
Cheers,
Tim
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Did you glue them then heat and twist? What kind of glue? How about a build along with the new wood. ;D PLEASE ;D Justin
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i would have thought impossible.. till i see it aint. wonderfull to say the least.. ::) ::)
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Really unique and creative work!
Do you reduce to arrow diameter before or after you twist?
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Justin:
I use Selleys Aquadhere Exterior for glue. Glue, heat & twist.
Episaacs:
It is pretty much a finished footing before I try and twist it. It may work before you reduce the foot but I have not tried that. I figured the more material I remove the less heat i'll need.
Cheers,
Tim
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Thanks Timmah, BTW I think your way of reducing the footing first is probably the best way. Some woods, like purpleheart, don't take bending too well. If you thin it enough and have more shafting than footing, I imagine the other wood helps to keep the purpleheart in spiral. Justin
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Hey Guys! Good news - I finished an arrow. I have probably spent around 7 hours working on this one alone. I have 2 colours of linen for binding twisting as I go to form a pattern that spirals up the shaft. I have also spliced the fletching and painted the quill. The point is hand forged (not by me).
Here are some pics for you :-)
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Good looking shafts, I've never seen spiraled footings like that.
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What else can I say but EXCELLENT!!!!!!!!!! ;) ;) ;) ;) :o :o :o
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Those fletchings are as nice as those footings. Great looking arrows. Justin
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You wouldn't catch me shootin anything like that ;D - too purty!!!
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I agree, cowboy, mine are always ragged and pitiful looking compared to those. :'(
Absolutely gorgeous!
Sean
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The spiral footing has been around for many years.It just takes time to do all the little things that make a arrow stand out and most don;t havee it to give, especially if you are a hunter. The problem is it doesn't make them fly any better.
One of the best at making spiral footed shafts was Keneth Byrd, in Lindon, N.C.. He won many shows with his work. He quit making archery item about 1995 the best I can recall.All who knew him sure miss his work.I sure do ,he use made my tournament arows, years ago.
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As a arrowmaker those arrows are great.I MAKE 2 - 3 -4 FOOTED ARROWS would love to find out how you made those.Do you have a special tool can I get my hands on one
Fred ARROWMAKER
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Fred, Make your standard footed arrow, heat the living daylights out of the join and slowly twist. It works great with a hardwood foot and POC shaft, hardwood shaft and hardwood foot is not so great. I found that the glue will give up before you get much of a twist going. It may be OK if you find a good heat resistant glue though.
Cheers,
Tim
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You need a jig for maintaining straightness and something to control the distance of the twist which is 45 degrees, slightly past is better if you try to make them a true 45 degrees. If you don't use a jig each arrow will be slightly different and not straight at all, you might get lucky but it is doubtfull. If you try to twist the shafts free hand you won't be pleased with the results! .....I believe I saw spiral shafts with Purple heart footings in "Three Rivers" catalog? They were costly.
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When I get back to England at the end of the month ;D LOTS to keep me out of trouble >:D with Archers Rest I am the resident trouble maker ;). >:D ;D ;)THANKS YOU LOT
Fred
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Absolutely beautiful! You have the touch!
Stickbender
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Could you post some pictures of the jig you used, and how you heated, and twisted the shafts? Perhaps an article in the next PA publication.
Thanks,
Stickbender
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Woah those are wicked!! :o :o
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U N B E L I V A B L E !!!!
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Boy somebody dug this one out of a dark corner. ;D
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Hah, yeah I was just looking through the arrows archives because I have some boo coming in and wanted to read up what others had done and happened on this post. Glad I did, those are crazy looking footings, I haven't been doing this long but I haven't seen any like those, clever way of doing it also.
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how do i do that?
BUILD-A-LONG!!!!......
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Those are sweet, I'm only seen a few people be able to do that and keep them straight. Take allot of skill. Congratulations. Can't wait to see them when they are done. ;)
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Very nice, I have only seen that done once before by Rusty's Feet. I never knew how he did it. That is awsome, very nice work.
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:o Those are amazing! Good job!
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I haven't been able to find anything on how to do footings other than Sam Harpers youtube video. He does a simple wedge, how do you do the 4 spline??!