Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => English Warbow => Topic started by: Marc St Louis on August 29, 2007, 08:27:30 am
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Made this one for Marlon. The stave I got from Matt Edwards last year. It was still green so I let it dry for awhile. It developed some sideways bend as it dried so I had to use some dry heat on it. I also set the wood at the tips by bending them sideways and holding them that way for a few days. The string still lies to one side but this makes for a fully center shot bow. The ERC is pretty low in density for making heavy bows, the bow fills the hand. The bow is about 78" N to N, just under 1 3/4" wide by 1 1/4" thick. A good handfull. It pulls about 120# @ 31". Here's a few pics
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/Marc-St-Louis/Selfbows/ERC/Warbow/BracedUnbraced.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/Marc-St-Louis/Selfbows/ERC/Warbow/Nock.jpg)
This is about as far as I can pull the bow.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/Marc-St-Louis/Selfbows/ERC/Warbow/Drawn.jpg)
Here is a full draw picture as I was tillering the bow using a 2 hand pull.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/Marc-St-Louis/Selfbows/ERC/Warbow/Full20Draw.jpg)
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You got an awful lot out of that erc Mark, great job on that. Really impressed with your elbs, even more so after handling them in person. Steve
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Thanks Steve. This one was quite a challenge with the way it went sideways as it dried.
The unbraced pic was taken after the bow was pulled back several times. It still holds a bit of reflex but I'm sure it won't after Marlon pulls it back to its real full draw several times
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She's a beauty, Marc. ;) I'm sure Marlon will love her. Pat
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you gotta be kiddin me !!!!
I never would have thought you could get that weight out of (unbacked ??) ERC...
NICE !!
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Beatiful bow Marc,Is it rawhide backed or is that some of the sap wood left on ? :)
Pappy
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sweet bow
from what i can tell its an awesome tiller ;D
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Thanks guys.
The bow is backed with air. The sapwood was quite thick so I took it down 2 or 3 growth rings then followed one.
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incredible!
How about juniperus communis? ever tried it as a warbow?
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Another beauty Marc!!!! I've got a hic in the corner roughed out as an ELB kinda :). Was wondering how you go about attaching those horn tips - prolly on your sight, I'll take a look.
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Beautiful bow with a faultless tiller...
ERC is eastern red cedar? It looks just like yew - does the sapwood have the same properties as yew sapwood i.e. high tensile strength? You guys in the US are so lucky having so may types of bow wood.
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That's HUGE! ;D
And very pretty too :)
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Impressive Marc, I have not tried ERC yet. I keep reading about how brittle it is and how you need to back it to get 60#. I guess the same rules don't apply if you double the weight. :D I love the color. Justin
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Beautiful colour's and a stunning Bow!
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Thanks guys.
The only species I have tried for a warbow is HHB, Yew and now ERC.
No I don't have anything on my site cowboy. Not that hard though. Drill a conical hole in the horn and shape the limb tip to match. You must make sure the taper of the cone is shallow enough that the string groove is cut about half way down the matching cone on the bow.
The sapwood is more elastic than the heartwood on ERC Simon. Elasticity is what you need here.
It's the heartwood that is brittle in tension Justin
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And Justin, When that heartwood blows,It is duck and cover time.Looks like confetti.
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Thanks for the info Marc - that was all I needed to continue with that one :).
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Marc Thats a killer bow. Cant wait to send you the monster yew stave, it should build a 160# bow. marlon ;D
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Marlon
You are giving me some really good upper body exercise building these monster bows :).
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You did well Marc. I only wish I could have known in advance that the stave was going to go side ways when dried.I have a few staves from the same section your stave came from and they all did the same thing. I usually get a fair read on a log. I missed on this one.My staves arn,t real bad ,just enough bend to be aggravating.:)
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Marc, could I ask how deep you drill the hole in your nocks? I'm worried about having too much dead weight at the end of my bow.
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Hi Marc,
Nice looking bow, good bit of foward set. Horn nocks look large though?
Nick
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Simon
These go in about 1 1/2" into the nocks.
Nick
Perhaps a bit large, certainly larger than the ones I made for Marlon's Yew bow.
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That´s beautifull bow Mark!!... 8)..REALLY IMPRESSIVE mate!!...
I´ve also a little log from "Juniperus Thurifera" that got last year, this species is really like the look and properties of "Juniperus Virginiana" but from Spain.. ;) ;D...
Hope to make mysef a warbow out of this log but perhaps not as heavy as yours Mark...
Oh!! Marlon, you´ll for sure have fun shooting in such a cool "monsters" that Mark is crafting for you!!..you are really luckly mate!!... ;)..
Cheers...
Asier.
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Wow Marc, that's really nice. Just goes to show what a good bowyer can do (ie the impossible).
J. D.
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Wow Marc, that's really nice. Just goes to show what a good bowyer can do (ie the impossible).
J. D.
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Thanks guys.
ERC heartwood is brittle but the sapwood is not and this bows back is sapwood. It doesn't have the elasticity of Yew or the compression strength but it makes a good bow.
You must be really impressed Josh to be repeating yourself :)
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That's the nicest looking piece of ERC I have ever seen and it looks like a proper English bow from here...
Rod.
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Why thank you Rod. Coming from you that is a compliment :)
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Marc, are you insinuating that Rod is a critical judge of ELB,s ? :)
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Matt.
How about picky? :)
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What can I say? :) Problem is, he is 99.9% right. :) A compliment from Rod should be cherished.
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Very nicely done Marc. Truly impressive. I bet it makes cast galore.
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Beauty Marc! Marlon isn't gearing up for some "crusade" or anything is he? :D
Rich-
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THAT IS AMAZING!!! That bow looks great can't wait to see more ERC bows by You.
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Matt.
How about picky? :)
Picky sounds about right...
Rod.
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Bloody excellent bow.
Jaro
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Marc,Has anyone shot the bow and if so, how does the bow perform?
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Hello Matt the bow preforms great dont shoot it much very light weight. marlon
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Marlon
Did you measure the draw weight? My scale peaks out at just over 90#. I figured it to be about 120# @ 32"
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Hello Marc Yes. Marlon
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Marln, how about posting some stats?
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Hello Matt Ive just shot that warbow a couple of times very nice shooter. My yew war bow has way more power. Marlon