Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Flintknapping => Topic started by: jamie on May 10, 2012, 10:31:53 pm
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How bout we start doing this again. Been a long time since we did it and it's a great way to learn new point styles and techniques. Anybody wanna pic a point style
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Great idea, but I don't know enough styles to choose. Go ahead. ;)
George
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I would like to see points chosen from across the country. Pick a point one month from the SouthEast, next month from the Far west, Then East Central, High Plains. That kind of thing. We would then get more exposure to points from all over the country.
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I vote for Mouse Creek. Found in TN. It's a rare, interesting, point and relatively simple to make. I cranked out an example pretty quick. :)
(http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg112/jackcrafty/104_0307-1.jpg)
(http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg112/jackcrafty/104_0312.jpg)
(http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg112/jackcrafty/104_0313.jpg)
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mouse creek sounds good to me, Bub
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Rare? Looks just like my ex wife's teeth. I will get one knocked out tomorrow.
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Mouse creek sounds good to me :)
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Looks good to me. Allright Patrick: you win, hahaha....
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Sounds good to me.
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I win? :)
Wife's teeth? ???
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I'd like in on this what's the dedline
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Deadline is end of May. But for you, this Monday. >:D ;)
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Hehe :P I think I'm figuring out this indirect percussion. so far iv been able to make two performs every day after work before the sun goes down :)
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Cool.
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Mouse creek I am in. I think one month we all should make a point jackcrafty style. I always wanted to hit my knee with an antler hehe.
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Not the knee, I keep smacking my thumb on top of the point with the antler. Almost as bad as doing with a hammer. Duh@!!
I'm in, but I don't know if I'm gonna get any knapping time over here. Dad has me replacing his tub with a shower. Dang, I always used to get him to do my work when he visited. Now he's getting even. ???
George
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Looks cool, I try to work on one this month. :)
Maybe one month we could do points from around the world. ;)
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Looks cool, I try to work on one this month.
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You guys have way too much fun. Someday, I'm gonna learn how so that I can get in on the fun!
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Well here's my attempt. Made it out of John's Burlington. This is the first time that I have set out to reproduce an actual point. I usually just chip away and hope something turns out. Josh
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Looks like you nailed it, Josh! :)
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Someday, I'm gonna learn how so that I can get in on the fun!
Mr. Wirwicki, is that learn how to knapp? Or learn to have fun? ;) Good to meet you at the classic! Sorry I wasn't much for conversation (or pronounciation). Bonepile's wine is to blame. That's my excuse and I'm sticking to it.... >:D
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haha, didn't mean to go yoda on you guys.
I need to find some good rock, don't want to send out any shabby work. :-\
Work on it I will, finish it I must >:D
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Nice job doc...first one...looks like you have to much time on your hands >:D
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Cool looks like its a go. Very nice point pat and josh. I like the points from around the world idea, next month I pick solutrean >:D
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I got the overstreet out yesterday and checked out the mouse creek, got a decent start, but busted one, I'll try another this weekend. dpg
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Here's my first try. Made from raw New Braunfels flint. Think I'm gonna make a narrower one like the pic. Tower
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Nice! Is that linoleum instead of truck floorboard under your feet? I've liked all the points so far. Can't wait to get on it myself.
George
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cool, i'll make one out of some local quartz agate.
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Man y'alls point look great
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Dag Nabbit Tower :o :o! That thing is sweet.
I worked on 2, but both are futile attempts. :-[ dpg
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Looks good Don! Can't wait to see the narrower one.
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Here are mine...Left one is obsidian and the right is tinted glass.
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w468/bkrhino/100_0021.jpg)
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Sweet points. Like their size. Wonder how they would fair on the receiving end of an arrow shaft?
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Man I turn my back for a second and yall are on to something else.Well dadgummit I'm in ...now were is that bopper.
Bone pile
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Sweet points. Like their size. Wonder how they would fair on the receiving end of an arrow shaft?
They seem really light to me. maybe small game (rabbits, squirrels, small game birds). I would like to see the equipment used. real long arrows to offset light points?
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Lets see if I can do this :o will try tomorrow :laugh:
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This is an attempt using some Tenn/Kentucy blue.The first one is OK not as thin as I wanted and the ears were alittle off
(http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk33/Bonepile/DSCN0234.jpg)
The second one I modled after a Florida type mouse ,I think the ears turned out better on this one
(http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk33/Bonepile/DSCN0237.jpg)
Sorry I coudn't help myself.Happy Mothers day to all the mothers out there
Bone pile
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Excellent knappin BP!! Wow
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Wicked point BP. I can't find much info on the point. What's the avrg size?
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Wicked point BP. I can't find much info on the point. What's the avrg size?
Personally, I think he is just being "Goofy"!
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That Florida mouse point is pretty cool. I got too chuckling about that and my morning brightened right up. Thanks for posting it. The other point is killer as are everybody else's. I believe a redo on mine is in order. Josh
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Knocked this one out early am. I think now after relooking at the first pic mine could be maybe not so wide?
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Well tried another, this one is outta west TX chert. Not very happy with the point itself. Might try another.
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Fantastic work gentlemen. I don't think they have to be spot on, your interpretation and style make it unique. O:)
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Tried a couple more. One from a piece of mirror and the other from a flake George S sent me.
(http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w468/bkrhino/100_2671.jpg)
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Pointy! Love the flint point. Think I'm gonna try them out this fall. I really like the design.
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Seem easy to make for the most part. My problem is that they do not meet the state's size requirements to allow for use on big game. :-\
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I agree Tower I think I would grind the base and sides up to the side points,then haft them up .After making this point I'm going to make a few and see what they look like on a shaft.
Bone pile
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Here's my submission. This is a raw piece of Montrose chert and it worked pretty good. I like this style of point. I think I will play around some more with it. See what I come up with.
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Nice points stringman...and all others. I decided to post. The first pic is my first trys. some really hard stuff I found in my mom's landscaping, mullett's coral, sparrow's obs. second pic I'm happy w/, but still needs alot of work, Indiana Hornstone that Tracy and I spalled in the creek. Boy I like that stuff. Thanks for lookin and not laughing in front of me. :-[ ;) dpg
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Here is my attempt, i struggled to get the base portion thinned out. Ill try again later tonite :D
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I think i am going to go a little narrower as well.
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Nothing wrong with it. You did a great job on that base. Is it outta novaculite?
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yessir, Novaculite indeed :D that was my last decent flake so i will try my next one on some obsidian or tube glass.
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Good looking replicas Derik. Man, you keep getting better with each post!
Lots of great reproductions here.
Tracy
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66 That novaculite looks awesome ! I love the look of that white rock.
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Thanks Tracy!! ;) dp
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Great points all! Gonna try to post a pic - here we go... drumroll.... SUCCESS!! Finally! Whoo hoo :)..
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Nice!!! Lots of good points being posted. Maybe tonight I can get a little shop time now that I'm back in the state.
George
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that turned out nice Paul, Bub
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Nice one Paul! It's funny you can finally post pics and now I can't for some reason.... Oh well. I hope you start posting more. I love seeing your work:)
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Cool points all around! Derik, that hornstone one is sweet. Where do you find that stuff in the Hoosier? I wanna keep my out for that when I'm there. Here's another attempt out of Burlington. Josh
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Thanks Josh, right back @ ya on the burlington. Tracy showed me a spot down south in harrison county. Make the time, maybe the three of us could make a run. ;D ;D Boy that's be fun. If you had an over night in southern indiana, we could make it happen. ;)dpg
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You never know, it could happen pretty easily. I appreciate the invite! Josh
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I finally got a chance to get to the shop tonight. I think this was a debitage spall from Cross Plains, probably raw as hard as I had to hit it. It had 2 little concrete spots that really fought me. I should have spent a little more time cleaning it up but I ran out of energy. I used every trick I could think of to try and thin the thing. Lucky to get a point out of it.
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7238/7207174318_8dd60d3a09_z.jpg)
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7242/7207175028_f541fe8d93_z.jpg)
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7087/7207173578_96d69a7c3f_z.jpg)
George
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Lots of nice points being posted ,keep 'em comin'
Bone pile
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Nice one's Josh and George. George i believe that is some coastal plains, looks golden in the sunlight. I hit Tracy's honey hole up there one time guys. Some premo stuff but all i found was small. No matter, glad to have it.
Here's a rat creek type of the bighotmoma tribe ::) :o.
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that's cool Paul but i thought the big horns was gonna be on the other end, Bub
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My, what big long ears you have bighotmama... :o
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Good looking point Cowboy! I'm gonna have to do some more homework and find another honey hole for my rock habit :'( Wouldn't want to meet up with it!
Tracy
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I think you should shaft that backwords Cowboy! It looks like it would be a great 'forker' head.
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Well I tried my hand at a mouse creek this afternoon from some tn black. Everybody was making em look so good I had to join in :) I think I figured out the pic posting thing finally ::)
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Looks good Will! I find the type with shoulders is much harder for me because I like straight edges. You guys make them look great!
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Very cool points all. This is a lot of fun.
George
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Very cool points all. This is a lot of fun.
George
I agree!! great points fellas! dp
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finally found some time. this is the last piece of tennessee mud/chert i had. every time i had the barbs just about done id break one. so i finally left it as is. gonna make some more.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/coyotebow/067.jpg)
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Great points everybody! got a lot of entries this time..
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Absolutely, keep posting! This is fun seeing everyone's different creations.
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I can wait to see what next months point is going to be. One of these days I will be able to submit my own!! :P
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Good looking points all around! Bone pile gets my vote for the Fla variety of this style though :D
What type is next?
Tracy
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Well here is my first try I had some time to cool down yesterday after a crappy week my dougters pup was hit by a truck infront of her and i and i had to take him down with my 1911 :( ignore the point on the right il try to knapp some more later
(http://i1228.photobucket.com/albums/ee451/bloodmoonwidow/8d685b96.jpg)
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Sorry to hear about the pup. It is always hard.
BOTH points are very nice. Can't seem to ignore any of your points.
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That is a bummer Sterling, I'm sorry to hear that. Point looks great!
George
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Real sorry to hear about daughters pup :-X. Looks like good replicas to me Skyarrow!
Tracy
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That sucks about the dog. Never a good thing when you have to put the dog down. I've been there too many times. I like the point on the right, the base is cool looking. Good job, dp
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Here is my attempt. I see why it is rare ;)
(http://i1137.photobucket.com/albums/n502/tfairchild522/PICT0012.jpg)
Tracy
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Now that's a pile of points! Great work everybody, so far.. I'll have to second that vote for Bone Pile's creation. Keep going back and looking at that one. And no, i'm not refering to that FL mouse. lol ;D.
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Everyones points look good.
Point of the month is fun maybe i'll get in this one.
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Well I pulled myself away from the bow trade for awhile and gave it a shot. Heres mine out of some Perd's.
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Great looking replica Eddie! Looks better than mine ::)
Tracy
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Thanks, Tracy. ;)
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I gave it another try this morning and almost had it...
Too bad I broke it. :'(
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What'd you put that crack in it for? That's the one thing about knapping I really dislike. Looks like it was going to be great. Tower
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What'd you put that crack in it for? That's the one thing about knapping I really dislike. Looks like it was going to be great. Tower
yeah right! Fortunately, for my sake, it's still just a rock. Otherwise I might be upset!
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Aww that sux maybe nex time stringman. I plan to try again this weekend while I'm siting at the beach in port aransas il have 4 free days to do what I want my plan is ride my long board around the island and knapp points :)
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SWEEETTTTT POINT.
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Here's my Mouse Creek, not so happy with it, but it's got a point on it. :o This is a pc of Dover that i had laying around. Bob
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Looks good to me OB!
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Dang, that was a sweet one Stringman!
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Bob ,that looks like it has a sharp edge/point on it.
Roger
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I really like the color of that piece Bob ;D I like the point too ;) Can't wait until I have more skill and can join in with ya'll!!!
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Chertle, enjoy the ride, you'll be there soon enough. Thanks for the complement an ya Dover always looks like a really old point to me, even when it was just made yesterday ;D Later Bob
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Can't wait until I have more skill and can join in with ya'll!!!
Beg to differ young lady, but that blue point you made shows you got plenty of skill to get in on this fun. Best way to learn!!
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I really enjoyed this thread ;) With a new month coming up I didn't want you guys to forget about it!!! What point are you choosing to do for June? Maybe I can get in on this one at the end of the month >:D
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Okay I'm running a little late on this 1 but here it is.
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Dang John! With the momentum you've got going - your unstoppable 8).
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John, great looking mouse creek, you are on a roll for sure. Later Bob
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Looks real good John! Is that the jig you're suppose to use to make that type? >:D
Tracy
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Whew just in time....great point!!!! Love your sense of humor also >:D
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Ouch, that's a nice looking point John.
I'm ready for the June point now too. dpg
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well here's my attempt, i was going from memory, maybe need more promenate shoulders? might rework them, Bub(http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/tt320/bubncheryl/knapping/Picture001-22.jpg)
(http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/tt320/bubncheryl/knapping/Picture003-20.jpg)
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maybe more like this(http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/tt320/bubncheryl/knapping/Picture.jpg)
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Love it, great points John and Bub. This was really fun.
George
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I'll second that one guys. Great points!
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Okay, it's June. What's the point of the month gonna be? I'm patiently waiting with antler bopper in hand. O:) can you tell that I'm enjoying the POM? >:D. Josh
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How's about a clovis point?
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author=Tower link=topic=32782.msg438037#msg438037 date=1338553333
How's about a clovis point?
Clovis! :o Well, I'll try it. I better get a lot more rock! ;) ;D. Josh
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How's about a clovis point?
I'll second that.
.Okay, it's June. What's the point of the month gonna be? I'm patiently waiting with antler bopper in hand. O:) can you tell that I'm enjoying the POM? >:D. Josh
Getting ready to head out to the pit!
Tracy
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Clovis? Figures you guys would pick something paleo. :-\
Oh well, at least there are some unfluted clovis points out there. :)
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Clovis ???? I already have a good store of half points out there but i'll give her try..
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Haven't made a Clovis in a while... Sounds like fun ;) I'm in!
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Clovis...O boy. I have a nice root beer chunk about to a preform. Guess now I know what I'll be doing with it.
George
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Mini-clovis? :-[ obviously this one is just a practice piece. I had a nice one going, but ended up with two on the second side flute attempt. Broke right in half. Josh
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Thought this was rootbeer, now I'm not so sure. There was some concrete in it when I got to the point. Had a terrible time thinning it. Consequently it ended up to narrow. Doesn't look much like a clovis. Botched the first flute...
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8028/7317433388_2056b6e374_z.jpg)
The second one was better, didn't feel I had anything to lose.
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7085/7317432844_5094871a9d_z.jpg)
I'll try again when I get more time.
George
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I think I might just try this one, I'm not sure how to flute though, I shoulda tried the last one, just too buisy.
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I will try this one but not the first of the month. I think I will wait and get mine it at the buzzer! :P
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Great starts! Looking at the over street today and saw some good pics to work from.
Tracy
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This is the best point I have ever made. This was only possible because of all of the wonderful people who have helped me here on PA.
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Pic
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Sure looks like the real thing. You sure upped the bar with that one.
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There are a couple other styles I want try also
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Sure looks like the real thing. You sure upped the bar with that one.
Thank you mullet
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Paleo is challenging for me. Hope you guys don't think less of me... but here's my first attempt.
Perfect reverse hinge. ;D
(http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg112/jackcrafty/978_3412.jpg)
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After seeing some of these points maybe I won't be getting one in at the buzzer!! This site is full of a bunch of talented knappers ;) :-* Patrick......I think you posted that pic on the wrong thread! George started one about steps and what not :P Reverse hinge? I think that has a high difficulty level!! Great looking point til then ;)
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I busted two in half yesterday hand fluting ,didnt have the balls to go for strike three!!!!!!!!
i know i can... i know i can............................
broken Bone pile
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At least you are trying! ;) I have not even tried for anything yet.
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i wont be able to make this months :-[ non stop earth science studying.....
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CLOVIS!!!! nothing like starting slow. ;D
great work guys. ,john that is an excellent piece, pat you will have to show me how you set up that third nipple in the middle of the point some day. >:D
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CLOVIS!!!! nothing like starting slow. ;D
great work guys. ,john that is an excellent piece, pat you will have to show me how you set up that third nipple in the middle of the point some day. >:D
Thank you Jamie, I think an all ABO one is in order for the next one.
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I'm with Jamie on Pat's point ,the top half of that broken clovis looks like a nice stem point 8)
Bone pile
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I feel like this is cheating, but I did make it with this post in mind. So until I make another... This will have to serve as my attempt.
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Jamie and Roger...HA-HA....very funny. >:(
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Clovis :-\ Cant wait to get started!! I have 2 preforms ready to go so I hope they dont turn into 4 :'(
Somewhere here I was reading just the other day about proper holding for fluting the basal without breaking into. Help me if I'm wrong but the thread said to hold the preform and apply pressure to the point into the thigh to help from the shock from breaking the point into two pieces?!?! Was waiting to give it a try but now I must?
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Well crap! :( I didn't even make it to the fluting before I broke this one. Looks like two more hunting points coming up! ;D. Josh
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A Clovis should have a nice center ridge line. Make sure your flakes don't travel past the center of the piece and you'll develop a nice ridge for the flute to travel down. The nipple/ platform should be low and the force of your strike should go in at a fairly shallow angle. A flute is really only a thinning flake taken from the end of the point. Knapper you are correct that supporting the tip should help stop the piece from breaking.
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Sweet stringman, ouch GD. I broke two tonight. I'll try again tomorrow. dp
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Make sure your flakes don't travel past the center of the piece ....
YAY ;D Finally a point I can do ;) Just jokin' As much trouble as you guys are having this isn't a point I am looking forward to. Maybe we should have a just gettin started point of the month :o
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I know what ya mean Chertie. I've broken 4 & still no point. My hats off to those Paleo masters.
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Ok i am new to OBO but thought i would share some picture of the process. I know there a lot of new knapper that might like to see my fluting technique. I am using a motified Marty te. chnique
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Gundoc, the preform that you broke looks thin in the middle an thick on the ends >:( Thin the ends first an the middle last ;D Don't ask how i know this, I have lots of take down points :o Bob
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John you make that look so easy. :D I'd like to see the tool placed on the point of impact though.
Here is my first point that is close to a clovis, not really. It is missing the shoulders, and really doesnt have much of a flute, but there are the rare unfluted clovis. ;) I got some time thisafternoon to knapp, this is some opalized coral that I got from Mullett @ the classic. Ground w/ a petrified coral abrader. I went kinda crazy on the base, but kept chasing towards a big stack that got left from my first flute that hinged. Anywho, here it is, 235 grains, I see the flaws, but don't want to break the coral, I happy now, and I hope to try again later. Oh yea, it's sharp as all get out. Thanks for lookin, dpgratz
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I've got two strikes so far. And like Bone I need another preform.
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i tried to flute that nasty piece of dolomite i posted but couldnt get a second nipple set up without loosing a lot of material so i said screw it. i'll make another
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Arughhhhh!!! I keep breaking them. Guess at the end of this month I'll post the broken points. Tower
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Can we please do a less complicated one (I know none of them are easy ;) for July? :-[
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Going to try to flute this one tomorrow. Going to give it a good wack.
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all hammer stone clovis
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/coyotebow/IMAG0119.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/coyotebow/IMAG0118.jpg)
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Awesome Jamie! That's a nice nice one :)
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Thats a nice one Jamie. No doubt that adds a touch of difficulty using abo.
I got this little guy to come out and play last night. The one side came up a bit short. But I had a decent flute on the second side.
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Here's a little update showing the progress and continuing problems. First picture shows the bottom 2 thirds punch notched and blended and finish work with retouch pressure flaking. The second picture shows how the median ridge is off to the left side. The upper third still needs shaping and blending
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Well I guess I have been lurking around long enough without trying to make one my self so here it is. Lol. This is my first attempt at a Clovis. I did some reading and looked at a lot of pics. I like the concept of point of the month, kinda forced me to attempt a point that I otherwise probably never would have.
Aaron
http://i.imgur.com/v2ICQ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/KIBBl.jpg
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I should have quit while I was ahead. I broke a really nice preform last night trying to flute it. :o Looks like I'll be practicing on these more. I'm in agreement with chertle, maybe next we can try something easier like reproducing the sweet water blade. Lol
Aaron
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Another one
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Nice John and Aaron, great points.
I tried 2 tonight. The first, of keokuk, was too thin a preform and I broke it in 3 pieces. The second I did not intend to flute, it is from an obsidian nodule I got from Bevan. It came out a little thick so I decided to give it a try. The first flute came out great.
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7224/7373450368_3b85a3bc23_z.jpg)
But the second was a dismal failure. Not sure if I didn't hit it hard enough or if the little pocket of impurities caused it to stop. Too bad, it is pretty stone.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8026/7373502312_600a8a218d_z.jpg)
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8019/7188218385_37d512ef1a_z.jpg)
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George
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I love it! Nice flute, George! nothin like a good hit to build confidence.
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great job George!! I am impressed" love all the great points for this month!
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Way to go george!
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Well after snapping two in half last week I thought I'd give this another shot.Had this Flint River ( Ga ) spall lookin' like a good canidate so here it is.It is fluted but my superior photogaphy skills has once more left alot to be desired.
(http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk33/Bonepile/DSCN0282.jpg)
This does show alittle pin hole on the base ,kinda cool.The point added alittle color to the collection of clovis'
(http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk33/Bonepile/DSCN0287.jpg)
One cannot have to many ya know,I cut some shafts and I want to haft some of these up
Bone pile
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Bonepile,...If they are as sharp as the point you sent me,they will be deadly. I think I may follow the example and do some paleo arrows. 'Frank
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Awesome cache there BP.
I've been slow in the pit this month, due mostly to being sceert of the clovis and not having enough big pieces to attempt another.
dp
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Damn roger that's wicked
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Nicely done Roger!
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Still having no luck on this one :( Ohh well il keep tryn :)
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I havent had to much time to knap lately but I plan on making a couple more clovis points soon...if I can resist the urge to deep notch... ::) but heres one I made a little while back. It'll have to do fer now :)
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That's a good lookin clovis Will.
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You guys are awesome! Bone Pile...wow!
George
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That's sweet Will!
Here's another from me this month. I think it's Texas chert? Pretty hard. I got a decent flute on one side, but not as long as I wanted and it left the turtle back I wanted to remove. The other side I had a problem getting the plateform low enough and not taking too much length away. Anyway, I hope to try another one soon. dp oh..the pics arn't too good...sorry.
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Great looking points Bonepile, Will, and Derik!
Any suggestions for July point of the month?
Tracy
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lets make it something easier like a danish dagger >:D >:D >:D
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Cool i am in if anyone else is? :-[
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I'll watch, but a dagger's past my skill set. Lookin forward to what you guys do.
George
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I am sure he was joking. How about a northern side notch that way guys could use them for hunting this fall. Then we post later the deer with the point.
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My ignorance makes me ask if there is any difference with this point from any other side notched point?
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Yay! We can use copper on this one and still be authentic. ;D >:D
And I can use the danish dagger when hunting pigs and be REALLY authentic. I'm in.
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Umm... I thought we vetoed the dagger thing?!? I'm ok with whatever but like George, I think I will have to sit this one out.
If we're doing a side notch, then somebody please come up with a picture for me so I know what we are shootin for.
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how about one of these, Bub(http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/tt320/bubncheryl/knapping/Picture003-21.jpg)
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I WAS KIDDING!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I'm too gullible... ::) but someday I'd like to learn to make one for sure. The scary thing about this hobby is that the more you learn, the more you realise there is to learn.
George
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I vote we move from Clovis to dalton :) I think everyone would have a better time with this one. What do you guys think?
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Dalton sounds good to me. 8)
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Well, looks like someone needs to get it started off...
It was plenty hot today, so I didn't want to waste any movement. And I was pleased when this came out of the first rock I picked up today. I did set it down during midday and come back to it later, but nonetheless I didn't break it thru all that. MAN is it HOT!
Scott
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So it's a dalton sidenotched dagger :o you guys are killin' me.
I havn't done a dalton for awhile see what I can find in the rock pile
Bone pile
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Sweet something I can prolly do I failed at Clovis lol
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Thanks a sweet lookin Dalton Scott! Well done fella!
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That is a sweet dalton. That rock is some good looking stuff.
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Here is my first attempt all I have is small rock to work with uvalde gravel in my area
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Nice Dalton Stringman! I was just showing off your points I got in the point trade to a student of mine who is an artifact collector today. He said, "that wasn't the first point he ever made, the indians didn't spend that much time on them." ;D He just kept feeling the edges and saying, "look @ all those small flakes." We may have a new addition to the addiction. >:D
Great Point, dpg
good job skyarrow! you posted while I was writting I guess.
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Nice points guys! Sterling, that looks like coral.
George
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It could be I really don't know where I found this rock at i know I packed some spalls out of the knapping pit at the classic this year he k it could have been in there lol it worked like it was heated so prolly is from there I don't heat my rock
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I will try this one!! So far y'all have been showing some really good pics for me to work off of! Looking forward to seeing more from everyone!
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I tried for a big dalton with a nice chunk of raw perd. I had it to a little thick preform when I hit a little high with the bopper...
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8155/7504530066_7e7d424d8d_z.jpg)
I took the point end and made a small dalton. The serrations aren't too good.
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George
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Nice save, George! That looks like it would haft. ;)
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So......I tried. I gave some blood in the pit lastnight and this is what came of it :-\ It isn't the best but I am proud because it is the first time I started with a biface and shaped it into something I actually wanted instead of what the rock wanted :P Hope ya'll like it!!!!!
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Nice save G! I like the serations. Good work Leslie! Keep it up. dpg
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Looks good :)
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Nice lookin bloodletter there Chertle. No reason not to use that 'un.
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Bummer George, but nice save. Like the serrations.
Very nice point Chertle, you are definitely getting better ;)
Tracy
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Looks like I shoulda saved my "clovis" points until this month. :( The ones I posted for last month look more like the ones being posted this month. :o ;D, dpg
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hope this is what ya want this month, gold sheen obs, i dropped this point on the concrete floor takeing the pics, and it didn't break, outta go get a lotto ticket ;D, Bub(http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/tt320/bubncheryl/knapping/Picture001-26.jpg)
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Love it Bub, that's a beauty!
George
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Hope this comes out alright got all kinds of error messages. Here is my attempt at a Dalton, I believe this is a pc of Sonora, anyways worked real nice. Bubby get a lotto ticket now. ;D ;D Later Bob
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Wow Bob, that's a great point!!
George
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lookin' good Bob, Bub
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DANGIT Bob, thats an awesome point!!!
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Bubby, that's a great point! Bob, DANG MAN, those flake scars are beautiful!! I've got a couple to post later, but I'm hesitant now. :o dp
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Hey dp, lets see'um. Since the classic an my little talk with the master Shannon ;D ;D I have been working real hard on my pressure flaking skills, afew things finally starting to click. :o :o Later Bob
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Nice work all! Dang bob, if flake scars alone could kill! That's some dandy work there..
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Killer flake scars on that one!
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Oooolaalaa! Very nice on both points! Bob, I'd say you figgered somethin out!! Them flakes show up awful nice!
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Ok, I got one I made yesterday from some of that there keokuk. Check out my mid-july post too. ;) dp
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Beautiful point Bub!!!!
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Bob, love the flake scars!!! Those are impressive ;) Nice work Derik. You need to come over and flint with us sometime to shake things up ;D
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Here are a few more Daltons, serrated one is dover and the cream colored one is keokuk and the brown one is a beer bottle, Hope ya like 'em I had a lot of fun making these. Later Bob
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Man bob those look sweet
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Man Bob, those are all looking real good! That sonora looks a lot like Indiana hornstone. Only one of the brown Daltons? >:D
Tracy
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Well I tried a few finally got one to come out halfway decent.I made one Little spike happy but it looks like it would leave a serious mark.The first and best one is Burlington of some kind
(http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk33/Bonepile/DSCN0305.jpg)
The other two are keokuck they most likely will find themselves hafted to knife handles of some sort.
(http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk33/Bonepile/DSCN0307.jpg)
This has been a good run on this point I've enjoyed looking at all the points y'all have posted ,lets see some more
Bone pile
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Way to raise the bar bone pile! Those are freakin awesome!!!
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Nice points bone pile :)
Here is my second attempt
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Very nice points guys! Roger, it looks like bowling green variety. Havent seen much but that's what it looks like to me.
Tracy
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great work guys, roger those are wicked.
hammer stone with a quick tine pass to dress the edge, just shy of 5" . texas rock
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Nice work fellas! Roger, I really dig that one on the right w/ the 10 barbs. That babe is sweet! dp
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Awesome points Sterling and Jamie!
Sterling, what type of rock is that?
Jamie, that things looks lethal!
Tracy
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I'm really not sure I was a spall my friend Michel roegner gave me when I was blacksmithing at the Texas ren fest a few years back michel had a knapping/fur booth across from me he travels accross the states gathering rock and running his booth so there is no telling where it came from an or what it is I do know it's a pretty rock and works like its cooked
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Nice points this past month what's next :)
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You pick it sterling
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Lets make the Revilla style this month
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I will definitely try.......just to make sure I am seeing it right is that serrated at the notch instead of the point? :-[
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I made one out of common opal once. Its a tedious little point. I'm up for it.
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Just to make you all look good i tryd copying the broke one >:D than tryd fixing it and failed on both accounts. ....have a good laugh and have fun with this one!!!!
(http://i1082.photobucket.com/albums/j380/thadsoy/photobucket-6062-1343969903954.jpg)
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Looks like fun.
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Good choice! This will be fun.
Nice first effort, Thad! What were a working with?
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Yes nice start Thad don't feel bad I have yet to make one of these points. I always break the base when adding the serrations :( I broke one yesterday lol that's why I chose this point it's a hard point to make at least for me it is
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How big were these things 1-2"? I'd like to get it in the ballpark,looks kinda like a yadkin
Bone pile
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Ya i stalled in the notch and the serrations plus broke the tip...but this is the closest i have come to what i am trying to do without compleat destruction ...cheated a bit and touched it up with Copper ::)
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I posted this awhile back, is this what ya want for p.o.t.m., if so i'll make another, Bub(http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/tt320/bubncheryl/knapping/Picture001-23.jpg)
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Its similar to the Revilla point. The Revilla has no notches & is not serrated inside the base. It has a very skinny blade. Tower
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Now yer talkin'... ;D
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That new point type looks fun! ;D I finally got my computer fixed today and thought Id post my first attempts at a Dalton from last month...Ill try and knock out a couple of this months type this weekend.
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Wow! Nice.
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Thanks Patrick! BTW your new column is Great! Long overdue for PA. :)
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Thanks Will :)
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@ bone pile the point are actual size in the book so size them from my hand that's why I added my hand in the pic
And @ bubby that point is close take the notches out on the sides and the serrations in the inside notch and keep the ones on the outer base and you have it :)
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Nice points Will.
Soy, looks authentic!
haven't tried one yet, looks like it's fragile
dp
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Well here's my try. It's Texas rock, an inch and three quarters long. If the serrations were any smaller I'd need three hands, the third to hold a magnifying glass.
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Looks cool makes me think of those three sided boomarangs ;) not to bad amigo
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Here is my first non broken attempt. I made one of the wider shorter ones I didn't do to bad on my first time adding serrations :) ohh and I knapped it at the port lavaca beach this morning
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It's made from a heineken bottle bottom
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Thanks Sterling and a good looking point yourself. gota love those Heinnies.
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Ohh yeah ;)
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Dang Mullet, that thing is wild lookin'.
Nice point to you too Sterling, looks like a great place to knapp too. Lucky Beach Dwellers~!
dpgratz
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I kept chasing that last flat spot Derik. ::)
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dang Eddie that thing looks deadly
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Here's my first attempt.
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Oh man , you guys are making some fine points!
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Don,
I tried to make a big point out of some really cool rock that came from your pickup bed. I kept breaking it shorter and shorter and finally realised it was a great candidate for this point. I was so excited to get it done without breaking it again that I forgot to sharpen one side of the point. ::)
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7136/7730283888_686010bf2b_z.jpg)
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8281/7730278394_8df7bfdece_z.jpg)
Had something funny happen while making it. One of the times I broke the tip off the chunk flew down and stabbed me in the ankle. I could not get it to stop leaking. First time I've ever had to put a bandaid someplace other than a finger while knapping.
George
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Man these are some fine looking points yall are making and george That happens all the time with me I never cut my fingers I cut my right leg if I don't wrap it with leather to protect it I guess I should wear boots instead of flip flops and pants instead of shorts lol
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Man these are some fine looking points yall are making and george That happens all the time with me I never cut my fingers I cut my right leg if I don't wrap it with leather to protect it I guess I should wear boots instead of flip flops and pants instead of shorts lol
Same here.
Cool looking points!
I haven't looked up this point style yet, but seems to be good for lodging into the body but not exiting, internal damage.
Tracy
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Here is a larger one I made yesterday out of a mason jar bottom I left the numbers in the center to give it charicture :) I still have problems thining lol ohh well
It seems to Get better with each point
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I got one that I'm pretty happy with. I think it's some of that coral that Mullet brought to the classic. Got kinda stressfull @ the end, fragile. Only the 2nd time I've tried serrations, I used a small flat screwdriver, my smallest flaker was too big. Anywho, have a look! dpgratz
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Looks good
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Man those are all some fine lookin points :)
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I got busy and missed last months, so here is my attempt at this months. Its a piece of Burlington that I got from Stringman at Mojam. Josh
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Looks deadly, Josh. I'm going to put one on a shaft for this years hunting and see.
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That would be a fun one to have in the quiver, but I'm pretty sure Illinois law would call that a barbed point. :o Still would make for great conversation!
Nice point Josh! Gladto see you found time to hit some of that stuff. I still havent busted open that piece of obsid I got from you.
Scott
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Very cool points this month!
George
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Scott, we don't have a rule on barbed points here. The only rule is 7/8" wide.
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Lucky you! Thats just gotta leave it wide open on the point style selection for you!
I did have a conservation officer stand in front of my booth earlier this year and basically say (in refernce to some of my corner notched points) "I can't imagine any of our officers issueing tickets for you hunting with that." Still there's always one hothead in the bunch.
Scott
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Here's a couple I did this week:
(http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg112/jackcrafty/985_4062.jpg)
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(http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg112/jackcrafty/985_4060.jpg)
;D
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Nice one Josh!
and...DANG Patrick, you nailed it!!
My wife and kids think this style looks like a shark tooth, I'd have to agree.
dp
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Derik;
I was just getting ready to post the same thing. Looks like tiger sharks. Those are excellent, Patrick.
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Yep, definitely inspired buy sharks teeth.
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Sorry, had to gove it another go...even though it is weak in comparison to you all it i feel is my best so far
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HEY Pat 8) ;) 8) Sweet
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After looking at everyone elses points I think I will throw my point in the trash. There are some nice points posted this month.
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No way bud. Can't wait to see yours.
George
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I like it soy! And Man, your all's corn looks about like ours. They've already started harvesting it for silage, no hope in getting any corn outta it. nice job anyway, keep it up! dp
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Nice points, guys! I was thinkin this was gonna be a hard month, but apparently not.
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Nice!!!!!
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8) Cool, Jamie.
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The larger one is raw flint. I had a little problem thinning it. These are my attempts at the POTM.
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Nice points guys!!!
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Cool, Don! 8)
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Man! You guys are crankin out some really nice points!
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Real nice points! I have the same stupid law in ks about the barbs. But, modify it to have a legal base, this style might just be the ticket for punching through turkey wing feathers. I might have to do some sperimentin'! Josh
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well here's my first attempt at the pom, Bub(http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/tt320/bubncheryl/knapping/Picture002-31.jpg)
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That looks like a sharp one, Bubby.
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Looks good bub, everyone is making some nice points this month I really want to test this point out on a deer this year looks like it will he a heart stopper ;)
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Wow!!!! I have been away for most of the month :'( The points on this post ROCK!! Pardon the pun ;) Don't know if I am going to get one out this week but really enjoying seeing all of yours!
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Figured I'd give it a try this afternoon. Points made from Savannah River Chert. Rick B
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Nice one, Rick.
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I agree, that's a fine point. I have one hafted for this bow season.
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Real nice point and material. Looks like a shak's tooth ;)
Tracy
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Man this pom stuff is a blast...sweet points everybody ;)
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8)
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Excellent
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Well done Rick ;D 8)
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New month. Susquehanna?
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New month. Susquehanna?
got pics? bub
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Sounds like a good choice
Tracy
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That is a good example! Maybe I can get out and try one this weekend
Tracy
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That looks dang close to my usual practical point.We cannot have a "Barbed" point here in Washington state.I make alot of the style. Reckon I can knock one out for POM ! Woo Hoo ! !... ' Frank
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I tried twice today. Knocked the point off the first one so it morphed into a triangle side notched hunting point. The second one I had the shape nailed but got a turtleback of steps on one side. ::) It's pretty much a drill now. I'll try again tomorrow.
George
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From the overstreet guide.
Susquehanna Broad- Early Woodland, 3700-2700 B.P.
(Also See: Ashtabula, Drybrook, Frost Island, Orient, Patuxent, Perkiomen and Waratan)
Norteastern States, A med. to large size broad expaned stem point w/ tapered to clipped wing shoulders. The blade width varies from narrow to broad. Many examples are asymmetrical. Early forms have ground bases. An extreamly popular typle in the collecting area.
From me, asymmetrical huh? Maybe I can work a couple of these out of some rock.
nice choice for September, dpgratz
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Dang Jamie, after trying a couple times that was an impressive triangle you knocked out to get that big point! I didn't have the picture out there so I don't think I got it just right. But here's today's attempt.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8033/7916405942_dc62b0cc6b_z.jpg)
George
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nice george! this has quickly become my favorite point style. it can be done with all hammerstone if needed. i like points that require minimal tools
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It sure was nice to not use a notcher for a change. I like this style too.
George
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Man, I had a nice preform made out of a Sangria bottom, but when I got to doing those notches, I went @ it w/ blind enthusiasm and really screwed them up. >:( :( I read abut the notching in Noel's book of projectile points and hope I've gotten a fresh idea of how to do it. Gonna give it another try soon. dpg
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Here's my Sept entry from a nice piece of Brown Co.
Scott
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That's nice , great point.
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That's a beauty Scott!
George
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Whoops! First attempt botched! Some fine points already. Nice work! Josh
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A piece of nasty Florida chert I was given a while back. Hammer stone with lite antler work to dress the edge. Slightly asymmetric and I sharpened it twice to give it that sunken edge look a lot of the authentic pieces have. Gotta try one from dolomite this week. Most of the originals were done with nasty northeastern stone like rhyolite
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how's this one, nice pc of obs from up oregon way, hope ya like, Bub(http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/tt320/bubncheryl/knapping/Picture009-3-1.jpg)
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ya'll must be hunting, let's post some point's, Bub
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That's a beauty yo made there Bubby! dp
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thank's dp, Bub
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Well I finally got around to taking a few shots of my attempts at the points of the month.First in line is last months addition
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it remids me of a sand shark tooth,I'd hate to get hit by one of these.The next are a couple of Septembers model.
(http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk33/Bonepile/septpoints_zpsb9b61660.jpg)
Well with any luck I'll be more prompt next month...........................yeah right
Bone
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Looks good 8)
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Here's my attempt at a susquehanna broad point using some NC rhyolite. Rick B
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I have alot of respect for that point right there! Nice job on some tough stuff.
Scott
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rodger, wicked
rick, me like a lot!!!
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I'm with Scott, nice point, Rick.
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Rich, what size jackhammer did you use to chip that with? Really nice'n.
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Here's my feeble attempt and a real one made from quartzite. That Texas concrete is some of the worst stuff I think I've ever beat on.
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Love it, I'll send ya some concrete that make that stuff knap like butter
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No thanks! ;)
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Dang Eddie that's some rough stuff but I think you beat the meanness out of it
Roger
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Here is my laughable offering. I'm not sure of the stone, possibly novaculite. I only used my antler bopper to make this one. I just wanted to see how well I could do with 100 percent percussion. I did not realize how often I reached for the pressure flaker to set up platforms. I want to try one with just a hammerstone and see how well that works. Josh
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Josh, nothing wrong with that. Go back and look at the real one from NC I posted.
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Very well done Josh. Really like you did all percussion
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;D Tough TX chert, raw. Indirect percussion and pressure with copper.
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Awesome!!
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Well what's the flovor of the Month?
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How about the Edwards arrow point?
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Does this count as "Edwards"? I made it from a dinky little obsidian spall. Josh
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Looks like an Edwards to me.. Nice point.
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i quess an edwards it is, Bub
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The Edwards point is one of my favorites!
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Very nice Pat,those are some kinda sweet points.
Roger
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Thanks, Roger!
Hope my showing off didn't kill the thread. I know there's got t be others out there that like making this point too! :-\
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I think archery deer season is what slowed down the thread. I still have a point I need to make for a trade before I can try one.
George
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Patrick, George, this is my attempt. Think I'll try another.
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Nice!!! Have you been out deer hunting yet Don?
George
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Yes, but all I've seen are small buck & young does.
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I'd happily run flint through a young doe but no luck so far. Antler restrictions where you hunt?
George
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One proptery yes, the other no restrictions. Does no permit needed for either. Here's another attempt. Its a piece of agate that I was told came from somewhere up north.
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Dang, some of you guys really are flint artists. That's a gorgeous point!
George
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Sweet points, Don! I like the way the notches turn upward on the second one. Purty material too. ;D
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Man! Are those purty! I believe that one held up to the sun is as perty as ive ever seen! Josh
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These are hard for me. Well, maybe the raw chert made it hard for me. But I gave it a shot.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8169/8064976856_7e54f46e24_z.jpg)
George
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Nice one, George!
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Nothing wrong with that! Nice work George!
Scott
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Thanks. I wish I'd started with a longer spall, but I wasn't finding any, so it is what it is. I had a nice narrow notch punched in on one side, but the other side blew out right away as usual. At least I got this point thin enough. I did one right before it that has a turtle hump in the center, step fractures on all sides but the point end. Good grief.
George
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Nice point George. I looks perfect from here. Had any luck hunting?
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Haven't been out but once. Dr. diagnosed me with shingles today which explains why I've felt so lousy this weekend. Not sure how soon I'll get back out there. And thanks.
On a sad note, the landowner has put that property where we knapped up for sale. I get to hunt through deer season but don't know if we'll be able to do a knap-in come spring. :( Might be looking for a new place.
George
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Sorry to hear about your ailment,& dadgumit about the hunting lease. What is he asking for it?
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Thanks. He was just meeting with realtors over the weekend. They probably won't come up with a number for a week or so. It is 200 acres, no electricity and just a windmill well for water. Interestingly, when he told me he was selling it he said he hoped the knapping guys could come out one more time.
George
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Anything for this month?
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being's it's on the cover of the new mag how about a barbed gunther, Bub
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Sounds like fun to me.
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It's been awhile since I've been on this post. MAN those Edwards you all made are SWEET!! dpg
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First attempt failed miserably! Those barbs are a booger to do! Josh
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now you have a one barb fishing point! ;D
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Second attempt. The material is opalized phosphate. I'm still not satisfied with it, but given the delicate nature of the material, this is as brave as I want to get with the barbs. Josh
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Nice point, Josh. That looks like the heat treated coral I brought to the Classic last year. The opalized phosphate looks like ribbon candy, gray,brown, tan, green and black.
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Looks nice, no matter what it is. Maybe I'll get time to take a crack at one of these tonight.
George
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here's my first try, this is some coarse obs, i'll try with some nicer stuff and get one serrated, Bub(http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/tt320/bubncheryl/knapping/Picture003-27.jpg)
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sweet! i like it! nice for your first try ;D
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Nice 1 bubby
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man these are nice, i'd like to try my hand at it but i'm clueless
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I made an attempt with a real big spall...probably a mistake. I had trouble thinning the base end and snapped off the first barb when it got thick and I struggled to keep the notch going. Should have just made a big triangle.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8348/8189866942_e7b0b971e0_z.jpg)
I'll see if I can thin it more now, shorten it a little and try again.
George
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Theres a notching vid i posted on this part of the forum titled notching video. Its very helpful and probably can help even more advanced knappers
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You all are demonstrating to me that this is not going to be an easy month/point. Gonna have to give it a shot this weekend and see what I come up with. Good lookin stuff so far.
Scott
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second try, this one came out a little nicer, Bub(http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/tt320/bubncheryl/knapping/Picture002-39.jpg)
(http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/tt320/bubncheryl/knapping/Picture003-29.jpg)
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Ooh, that's nice.
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You all are demonstrating to me that this is not going to be an easy month/point. Gonna have to give it a shot this weekend and see what I come up with. Good lookin stuff so far.
Nah, I broke my point again notching it the second time. ::) Gotta be knapper ineptitude...
Bub, that's a beauty!!! Very nice work!
George
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Ohh man that is sweet looking 8), dont feel to bad george iv broken two today notching them ugh one was a perty blue fiberoptic glass :( the other was just a blue beer bottle bottom maybe i should work on some stone for awhile i made a new notcher i think it just hates glass i ran some practice notches on some small stone spalls and it worked great lol i guess i need to make a custome one just for glass and obsidian
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i've got 3 notchers and i think the horseshoe nail notcher works best on glass and obsidion, atleast for me, Bub
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I think your rite bub I made copper one also and hopefully tomarrow a abo one :) il find something that works well with glass and obsidian
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Holy cow, these are hard... I stopped before I was finished to take a picture of this one, figuring I'd break it which I did shortly after the picture was taken. O well, I'm too frustrated to try much more so this is my attempt.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8067/8192445108_c9ddd9b70d_z.jpg)
And here are the failures, most of which will morph now into other styles. The little stemmed point was a huge spall, and is the broken one I posted the other day. It was so large I made 2 attempts at Gunthers, breaking off an ear on both and still had enough flint left for a hunting point. What a waste of flint!
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8480/8191359779_6125feac54_z.jpg)
I can't imagine how fragile the glass and obsidian must be when I'm knocking the ears off flint with ease.
George
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Its real fragile george hehe maybe the new notcher will do the trick i reall want a thin small glass one like in the pic on the cover
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Well, I'm going from the Pics here and memory and this is what I came up with.
(http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s670/cotton7611/2758B414-5B3A-47A4-ADD3-BA1AB81A0BDC-2034-000003CD08CF5918_zps4e9946c8.jpg)
I believe this is one of the last pieces of coral I got from Eddie a few years back. Pretty rock and works well once it's been heated.
Scott
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that is an awesome point Scott.
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+1 on the awesomeness. Nice!!
George
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One more try. This time,out of a platinum bottle. I broke a barb early on so it ended up smaller than intended. I put one of my hunting points next to it for size reference. The corner notched point is ks flint hills chert. Sweet points so far! Keep em coming! Josh
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Nice work guys. I will say this has become a challenge for me i fixed the notching problem and was doing the finish work on the tip and barbs and old butter fingers drops it ugh i was so close this has to be the 5th attempt in two days >:D ohh well time for a break i cant focus now ;)
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OK I'm back in. had some time at deer camp and made points for all the boys. Heres some
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Here's my second (and final) attempt. My fingers are to big to really enjoy these little points. :o
(http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s670/cotton7611/67CCCD42-C666-4024-AEDD-B3C30FAF6B8D-352-000000DC3C01155D_zps299a4ebd.jpg)
(http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s670/cotton7611/F67334E6-0856-41F0-B0A6-447712E9CCEB-352-000000DC3527FBCA_zps05a7c389.jpg)
Scott
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here's one more for the month, not a lot of try's, y'all must be hunting, Bub(http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/tt320/bubncheryl/knapping/Picture002-40.jpg)
(http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/tt320/bubncheryl/knapping/Picture004-20.jpg)
(http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/tt320/bubncheryl/knapping/Picture006-11.jpg)
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Beautiful point Bubby, you gotta love that obsidian
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Well, December is here. May I be so bold as to suggest the pine tree for this month? Josh
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Uh boy! ::)
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If there are no objections, here is my first attempt. Black obsidian. Josh
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pinetree will do for me, Bub
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nice one! does anybody have green glass they can do it in?
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here's one, good ol' oregon obsideion, i've got two pcs of jasper i'll try and get one out of that to, Bub(http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/tt320/bubncheryl/knapping/Picture002-14.jpg)
(http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/tt320/bubncheryl/knapping/Picture003-9.jpg)
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That's a beauty Bub!
I'm looking for a nice piece of green glass with that in mind Ion! Josh
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thank's doc, here's the jasper one that i got done today, Bub(http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/tt320/bubncheryl/knapping/Picture004-31.jpg)
(http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/tt320/bubncheryl/knapping/Picture003-36.jpg)
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Sweet Bub what kind of jasper is that like the colors you seem to have all the nice stone.
Rob
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i'm not shure what kind it is, my sister-in-law sent me this this summer, only got a couple pcs left, it's some hard stuff to, Bub
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With the colors in that Bub it looks like a Christmas tree :laugh:
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Oh my! That is some pretty stone! You certainly done it justice Bubby! Josh
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one more pine tree, Bub(http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/tt320/bubncheryl/knapping/Picture001-34.jpg)
(http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/tt320/bubncheryl/knapping/Picture002-42.jpg)
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I'm a little late on last months but here it is nothing fancy il work on my pine tree in a few
(http://i1228.photobucket.com/albums/ee451/bloodmoonwidow/E5B31DAE-6E3F-49F3-8565-4A44C3A0E917-353-000000239FB9DDFB.jpg)
(http://i1228.photobucket.com/albums/ee451/bloodmoonwidow/D97C4D80-E12E-479A-BE24-0B67DFDC0DFD-353-00000023A6F6321C.jpg)
Iv been breaking the not he's so I left them short this time :(
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Nice work guy's! I've got to get back on here more often. dpg
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I took a stab at it tonight. Real happy to keep the ears on this one, the base was very thin on one side. Chickened out on the notches a bit for the same reason. Serrated it all the way to the bottom. Took pictures, decided I didn't like it that way, so I took out the bottom serration on each side (using a key for a pressure flaker :)) and took pictures again. Not sure which way I like it best.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8337/8266314348_a3fc58855b_z.jpg)
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8061/8265274071_a33fd04c03_z.jpg)
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8501/8265275543_a3e49eedf1_z.jpg)
George
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look's good both ways george but i'm partial to the second pic, Bub
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Yep, I agree, second pic is better. Nice work!
Scott
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Finally got around to trying the POM.
(http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s670/cotton7611/9017E8F3-B7CF-4D0A-B2BA-E2A7EEB2C672-8059-00000F6A2C28F07F_zps47981897.jpg)
(http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s670/cotton7611/51096EB0-E48D-4EEE-A847-D37C4EAD8BA3-8059-00000F6A31E49611_zps259fff32.jpg)
(http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s670/cotton7611/B1460A8A-481A-4E32-A215-5F963CBA428A-8059-00000F6A37B2DF0B_zpsd14a0a84.jpg)
I was tryin so hard to have the serrations perfectly symmetrical but I see I have one too many on a side. Oh well, The Lord knows I'm a long way from perfect! ::)
Scott
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Wicked point Scott! Pretty too. Nice work.
George
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If you are not happy with it, Scott, send it to me and you'll never see it again. Then we'll both be happy. :laugh:
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you made that mahogany look great scott, Bub
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Scott inspired me to jump in here but ABO style!
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Very nice contribution, John! Abo or not, you made it look good!
Scott
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Can someone provide some historical details on Pine Trees? Who used them and at what time?
Not knowing much about knapping, I would have to surmise the knapper is showing off a little when he/she makes one. They certainly don't look easy. Love 'em, folks. Keep 'em coming!
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I have made a number with copper I have to speak the truth JW it was very easy to do ABO. Flintwalker said that they were most likely used for fishing because so many were found in drained water. As locations. As far as dates it was early archaic 8000-5000 bc. And in the eastern central part i think
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Pretty point there Iowa - I likes. Rick B
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Stringman, that point looks wickedly nasty! It just looks very, very bad, like it is just waiting to rip something up. And whatever it hits isn't going to notice the sides don't have the same amount of points. Nice, Nice, Nice!!!!
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Been realy busy building Christmas presents but sat by the fire and knocked this one out today . Just to say.
Peace on Earth , Good will towards men
Merry Christmas to all.
Thanks for all you"ve shared this year to us beginners.
Knapper
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Great point! Love the color. Tower
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I couldn't find any green bottles big enough for a respectable pine tree. Sooo, I had to settle with a regular size Heineken bottle. Of course, they don't sell empty bottles so I had to dispose of the contents before I could make the point. Which is a win win! Not only do I get to enjoy a tasty lager, but I now have an excellent excuse for my poorly knapped point. ::) so here you go Ion, a green glass pine tree, albeit a small one. Josh
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I be liking those beer bottle pine trees :)
Scott & John those are really nice points.
Tracy
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Wow! Lot's of eye candy! ;D ;D
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what's the new point, any suggestions, Bub
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What about the Chadborne point?
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Sounds good tower
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winner winner, i'm game, Bub
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I looked in my overstreet and couldn't find it, so I just copied Tower's version. This a piece of TX flint I just got in the mail last week. Cooked it to 400 and it works like butter!
(http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s670/cotton7611/D90F7561-BBFC-44A7-9AF5-4DAA933C958E-4088-0000094C3D81917F_zpsf487de2b.jpg)
(http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s670/cotton7611/8C8A4D2D-B92F-4515-92AE-8EE969DDB91F-4088-0000094C43E80D89_zps6e968bc7.jpg)
(http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s670/cotton7611/9321891E-DEB8-405F-9183-12CF967D0035-4088-0000094C49EF7D11_zpsa52819f2.jpg)
Scott
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Scott, man you got a great point going there. Great job on the pc of cortex or conc. pocket on the edge, I would have kept foolin with it until something bad would have happened. :o :o Nice to see you knew when to quit ;D ;D Later Bob
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I just got the OK to cook some rock in my wife's roaster as long as I don't use the nice pan insert. ;D ;D I should have some cooked in the next couple days. That does look great, thin too!!
George
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Well here is my first attempt. My sides may be a little long :( May shorten them up tomorrow.
Knapper
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Okay don't laugh it's the first 1 I've done in a while It's crooked ,ugly and is not really close to what we're looking ...for but it's a point ;D
(http://i1082.photobucket.com/albums/j380/thadsoy/photobucket-43808-1357449689059.jpg)
(http://i1082.photobucket.com/albums/j380/thadsoy/photobucket-35802-1357449628438.jpg)
(http://i1082.photobucket.com/albums/j380/thadsoy/photobucket-43631-1357449565660.jpg)
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Nothing wrong with either of those. They both look good. Deer season must be over for most of us, cause we're all getting excited about POM again. ;D
Scott
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Not yet Scott, today is the last day in East Texas while my lease further west is open until Jan20. Be a couple more weeks until I can get too excited. Nice points guys.
George
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I took a stab at this one today. Went from memory which is dangerous for me. Mine's a little wide, probably should have run a couple more passes. It was looking pretty good on one side so I just finished it like that. There's a step on the other side (so I won't take a picture of that side ;))
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8186/8377004655_f71acc0e2f_z.jpg)
This was my first try at the rock I heat treated yesterday. This is coral from Eddie.
George
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Sweet point George. Clean lines.
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hmm soon as I get home I will knock out one..lol See uall soon
Russ
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Has this thread ran its course or does someone have a point for february? :-\
Knapper
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How's about the pedernales point.
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So how does this work you just make the point and posted it? I'm game.
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That's it in a nut shell.
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Yep that's it. The fun is in seeing everyone's different interpretations of the style. Also, almost everybody has a style or a feature that they struggle with so we get to see (if we're lucky) the point attempts that get chucked against the wall. >:D
Perdenales, heh... Well I'm game, but ima gonna have to look that one up first.
Scott
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Here is the look up.(http://i1068.photobucket.com/albums/u455/Tris_Smith/knapping/4B5E33A5-09E0-4464-9538-980FB082093F-6079-00000A5EA975448F_zps887a9af7.jpg)
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I don't have any pics of the ones I've made. Maybe someone will post some. Google Texas pedernales arrowheads. Then tou will have an idea. It all in the base. The point its self can have shoulders, or barbed.
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Ok mine is done! come on guys and gals lets see some points!!(http://i1068.photobucket.com/albums/u455/Tris_Smith/knapping/D43D7B5A-031A-4FEF-A098-7A25F187710A-834-0000011863D878AC_zpsf8712433.jpg)(http://i1068.photobucket.com/albums/u455/Tris_Smith/knapping/4BBB3AE3-A620-491E-88F3-F7609D9E09A5-834-000001185C4FFDAA_zps9577b48b.jpg)
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Cool! A Texas point!! ;D
Here are some that I made. There's quite a bit of variation in these points, like the real ones.
(http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg112/jackcrafty/DSC_0524_zpsf3242990.jpg)
(http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg112/jackcrafty/DSC_0526_zps822022a1.jpg)
(http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg112/jackcrafty/DSC_0525_zps44256202.jpg)
Here are some broken bases of real ones (bottom row). You will notice that on most specimens, there is slight fluting of the stem. The blades on real ones exhibit bold flakes with very little edge retouch.
(http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg112/jackcrafty/DSC_0533_zps3a3983ca.jpg)
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:)
(http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg112/jackcrafty/108_1892.jpg)
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Nice Jack. I'm low on stone but want to made more with a wider flake scar pattern.
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Pat,
That top center one of your, real ones as you say is a beaut!! What a find.
Will start on some points tomorrow, been working on bow trade today. Hope to post soon.
Knapper
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Knapper, the only real ones are the broken ones. The complete ones are the ones that I made. I put the real ones with the reproduction ones so you could compare the bases. But, thanks! ;D
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Here some I've made & a blank will make one out of. Not my best work by far. The Pedernales is probably the most plentiful point I've found in the Texas hill country.
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Dang, those are perdy perds!! ;D ;D
(ok, shoot me before someone rolls me into a corn ball)
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Here's my shot for the day. Bottom corner popped off right at the last pass of the basal.
Knapper
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That's a pretty little piece, Knapper!
This is my attempt for the day. Had to use Burlington, since my Tx pile is running low.
(http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s670/cotton7611/F5F8EAE9-1284-42CC-B029-D509CEB6D888-893-00000064DFC560D2_zpsee0fc5f8.jpg)
(http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s670/cotton7611/627A4D2F-3349-4179-81B7-E3C4DB97C11F-893-00000064DA99524D_zps330f30cf.jpg)
Scott
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Some great stuff guys👏👏
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Nice point, Knapper
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Gentleman, there are some fine points being posted here. Tower
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Well second one with hammer stone. Notching lower notch and nocked off a ear. So come up a little short.(http://i1068.photobucket.com/albums/u455/Tris_Smith/knapping/1DA7151B-128F-4BD6-960D-5CF7105045A3-1291-000001E763730EFD_zps92c9d1d8.jpg)
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Here's my attempt at turning the blank from the previous picture into a pedernales point. Hope everyone enjoys it. Tower
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Great work tower!!
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Wow! Now that's a perds!
Scott
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Any suggestions for a point type for June 2013?
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What about the Perdiz point?
(http://i1278.photobucket.com/albums/y506/Dontower/414E9BD3-E102-42C4-A79F-36280A66F13E-6291-000002DBDFEC1D08_zps1b890df9.jpg)
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Perdiz? What is the etymology of that word? It is very similar to the Latin for partridge, "perdix". For those of you that think Latin is a dead language that has all the fun wring out of it by nuns and professors, perdix is also Latin slang for a fart.
Prior to the education you dark side rock knockers have given me, I would have called the Perdiz points "bird points".
By the way, to everyone that posts on this thread, thank you very much. I really enjoy looking at your work and learning little bits here and there.
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So when are you gonna start posting your work JW? >:D
You need another hobby don't ya? :o
Tower, I'd be glad to give it go, so I'll second the motion! Anyone else object?
Tracy
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So when are you gonna start posting your work JW? >:D
You need another hobby don't ya? :o
Tracy
I just got a nice paracord sling from Ifrit in the mail....I'm looking for round rocks, not pointy ones!
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(http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg112/jackcrafty/CB-RoughR-F1-AC-THC_zpsda676979.jpg) (http://s246.photobucket.com/user/jackcrafty/media/CB-RoughR-F1-AC-THC_zpsda676979.jpg.html)
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I'll start. >:D
(http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg112/jackcrafty/DSC_0056_zps9a7aecee.jpg) (http://s246.photobucket.com/user/jackcrafty/media/DSC_0056_zps9a7aecee.jpg.html)
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Mighty fine points there Patrick!
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Thanks. :)
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Those are sweet! :O
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You're a quick one Patrick ;D. Really nice points!
Tracy
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I cheated. I made those a few months back.
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I can definitely come up with a few of the broken ones >:D
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Here is my attempt at a Perdiz. Pics sure didn't do this one any justice, I need to take some photo lessons :( Learned a few things and had fun so I'm saying it was a successful point. Thanks for looking and comments an critque appreciated. Later Bob
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Looks like you nailed it!
Tracy
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8)
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Looks like that's it!
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So here is my 1st attempt. I made the base too short and the barbs are not too pointy. I'll try another one before the month is over. It is some heat treated Texas rock from Seider. Thanks
Tracy
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Nice. 8)
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I've found several just like it.
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Knocked out a little one just to see if I could...
(http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s670/cotton7611/16392D36-EF50-4299-89C6-77C29EAC13DD-676-0000005EBB08CA1C_zpsbc5c0a0f.jpg)
(http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s670/cotton7611/4030F2B7-1517-4923-8620-0FC3AE3EAF12-676-0000005EC25E8FFB_zps1301d9a8.jpg)
Not an easy month by any stretch, but still fun!
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Scott, good lookin point 8), and my thoughts exactly not as easy as I thought they would be. :o Maybe I should try another one ::) Bob
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Oh, that's nice!
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Here's my attempt at a Perdiz.
(http://i1278.photobucket.com/albums/y506/Dontower/3BBD1FAD-980F-4B1A-95C4-131E53950651-17767-000008EB1E4718CE_zpsfa6ee3a6.jpg)
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Perfect. :)
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Hello everybody. Is this style point the point for this month :o if so I'll have a crack at it been a while since I done some flint knapping. Does it need to be flint or can it be any sort of stone. Cheers
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Any stone is fine with me.
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I've found obsidian points in Texas. I'm good with any material.
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Here's my try. It came from a nice cobble of Perd's I got south of San Antonio.
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That's a mighty fine Perdiz.
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Thank you, It's the first one I haven't broke.
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We need a new point. New month new point. How's about a Turkey tail, or Cornertang?
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Sounds like you picked it, let's do it.
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I'll work on both types. Haven't made a Turkey Tail yet...
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im going to give the turkey tail one a go, what have i let myself in for :o
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No horn stone in my buckets, so I went with perds. I was feeling good about my efforts too!
(http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s670/cotton7611/3A2205AC-5BAE-48C7-AA02-23FA269917E7-5727-000009E0A800A87D_zpsf1191261.jpg)
Then I read the notes on the page
(http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s670/cotton7611/1EC2D653-46A7-4DE5-953F-FDA996CEE1DA-5727-000009E0AE81B78B_zpsf31d74cd.jpg)
So maybe I should try for a bigger one next time. ::)
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Really nice work Scott, even at half size ;D
Not sure if I have any hornstone to do the full size- time for a rock run!
Tracy
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Great lookin turkeytail ;D. I have made a few of these before , see if I can get a group pic. Bonepile has a whole keeper case of turkeytails for display, I,ll see if I can get him to get us a pic. Later Bob
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Here's my go @ a turkey tail. July 3rd point.
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Looks great to me. I need to get on the ball & Knap something.
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Same for me. I'm really rusty.
George
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Ill need to get one done
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Here's a cornertang. Just finished this about an hour ago. ;D
(http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg112/jackcrafty/DSC_0035_zpsf1130130.jpg) (http://s246.photobucket.com/user/jackcrafty/media/DSC_0035_zpsf1130130.jpg.html)
(http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg112/jackcrafty/DSC_0036_zps2878c203.jpg) (http://s246.photobucket.com/user/jackcrafty/media/DSC_0036_zps2878c203.jpg.html)
(http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg112/jackcrafty/DSC_0040_zps3c7b5563.jpg) (http://s246.photobucket.com/user/jackcrafty/media/DSC_0040_zps3c7b5563.jpg.html)
(http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg112/jackcrafty/DSC_0039_zpsa2ba1763.jpg) (http://s246.photobucket.com/user/jackcrafty/media/DSC_0039_zpsa2ba1763.jpg.html)
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That's a beauty, Parrick!!
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Wow that is sweet. It looks like the largest knife found in the Karnes Co burial .
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Don, yeah, I was inspired by the artifacts found at that burial.
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That is one impressive blade.
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That is a SUPER nice blade Patrick! I think I might have to try that ;)
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DANG! Patrick! That's sweet! Well done my good man! dp
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That blade is awesome Patrick! Would anybody object to "Edgewood" for August? Josh
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getting this in right at the wire, just an obs turkey tail, heck I did remember the post was at the top(http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/tt320/bubncheryl/knapping/101_4318_zpse9d3da8c.jpg[/I[URL=http://s623.photobucket.com/user/bubncheryl/media/knapping/101_4317_zps24e9362d.jpg.html][IMG]http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/tt320/bubncheryl/knapping/101_4317_zps24e9362d.jpg) (http://s623.photobucket.com/user/bubncheryl/media/knapping/101_4318_zpse9d3da8c.jpg.html)MG][/URL](http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/tt320/bubncheryl/knapping/101_4316_zps824b6aeb.jpg) (http://s623.photobucket.com/user/bubncheryl/media/knapping/101_4316_zps824b6aeb.jpg.html)
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Real nice turkeytail Bubby!
Tracy
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Thinking we could mix it up a little for the point of the month.
Last months point Turkey tail is what i would consider a advanced point type. they were usually 6+ inches long and very very thin.
But a challenge is nice!
That being said i would like to propose that instead of point of the month lets try points of the month. Two point types one being advanced and very challenging and the other point more novice friendly.
If everyone is ok with this idea i would like to nominate a "Folsom" for the advanced point type for Aug.
Let me know what yall think of this idea.
Aloha.
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Jesse, sounds like a good idea to me, ;D Now I need to step up an flute a couple. Later Bob
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Sounds like a great idea to me. How's about a basic triangle point for an easy one?
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Im exited to try and make a folsom. 1st 3 attempts are broke ;) Both broke fluting.
Triangle point sounds grate!
I'll try and dig up some photos.
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!st attempt that did not brake. I am disappointed with the flutes. Im trying to figure out how to make the wider. 1 sides not that bad. Anyway here it is.
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Jesse looks pretty good to me, What kind of material is that one. I got a pile of busted up stuff an an my flutes sure don,t run to far :( How the heck did they do these 10,000yrs ago. :o no wonder they went to notched points, flutes are hard , hard. Triangle point is starting to sound real good ;D Bob
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Alibates
No kidding haha.. Im going to keep trying, I'd like to make one paper thin in the flutes.
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Looks good Jessie. Folsoms are easy-just order a box of flutes and then sharpen the edges of them. :)
I've ruined a lot of rock trying to make a Folsom, never got one that I was happy with.
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Jesse I know if u make the nipple kinda stout and wider than normal it will generally make a wider flute..I been doing a lot more free hand fluting and some flu ring with pressure... I use a totally different jig than u do..for whatever reason a few of us northern guys use the guillotine jig instead of solberger.. but when I get back home from fort Jackson.. I can try a Folsom... I also want to add for some folks that trying new and sometimes difficult point types will help increase your knapping abilities... give it a go there's no shame in trying !!
Russ
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Two more attempts, Getting closer.
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Jesse, Some great lookin Folsoms.Really liking the horsecreek. Here is my first attempt , Pretty lame, got a partial flute on first try on side 1 an no matter what I did could not get even a partial for side 2 :( It's gonna be a long month,but I'm having lots of fun with this one. Bob
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The stuff you guys do with rock is amazing!
DBar
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Nice fat flute channel bob. ;)
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2nd attempt, got a rough flute on each side but still pretty rough example of a Folsom, When you start at the bottom of the barrel there is only one way out , look up I can only get better ;D Bob
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Bob you did it!
If that was to come out of the ground there no doubt it would be called a folsom.
Good job bro!
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Thanks Jesse coming from you means an awful lot to me, ya if i found that in a cornfield I would probably crap myself , but you know how the perfectionist stuff works in us, I can do better. thanks for all your help with this one I needed it. One more question if you don't mind, I had a short flute an tryed to re flute an got a reverse flute run from point to end of short flute. I thought that was odd and lucky . Bob
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Thanks Jesse coming from you means an awful lot to me, ya if i found that in a cornfield I would probably crap myself , but you know how the perfectionist stuff works in us, I can do better. thanks for all your help with this one I needed it. One more question if you don't mind, I had a short flute an tryed to re flute an got a reverse flute run from point to end of short flute. I thought that was odd and lucky . Bob
Want to avid those reverse flutes.. they will usually roll off to one side and take the edge off. I will abrade the tip of the point well before fluting and keep it sorta wide to avid those random tip to base flutes ;)
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Great job Bob! Like anything takes a little practice! We can make some fluted points at Letchworth if u want? Its all n the nipple and the swing! Looks like your well on your way already!
Russ
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Looks like i have some catching up to do great job guys for this months point
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I thought I would try at least once more before end of month. Here is another attempt at a Folsom. First flute ran off end in a kinda overshot, second flute ran to tip but not to centered ran 2 more pressure flakes to try an help second flute. Alot of fun but extremly difficult . May try an get a few more attempts before end of month or run out of rocks :(
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Hard to follow some of those beautiful Folsoms, but since it's still August and I did knock out a basic triangle this afternoon while my new friend Jack was working in his bow...this is the best I could do for the novice point. It was a little shocking I got anything at all given the way I was breaking preforms with abandon. It was originally better, though it has a step on each side. But, then I botched it when I notched it, stalling a notch right away and then knocked a big chunk off the edge using the punch. Made the other notch match and called it good. It is a good thing the bow making went much better.
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7318/9639413523_15ef7c9167_z.jpg)
George
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George, good looking point,I like some of the big flake scars. Bob
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Sept POTM?
I'd like to nominate "blade core" and bolen bevel.
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Jesse, sounds good to me. ;D
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i know i havn't really posted on this thread much but was wondering if i could suggest a point for september? heres a pic. it's fairly simple and was acctually one of my first points.
(http://i1316.photobucket.com/albums/t614/bowslayerjez/20130907_190533_zps48c6f87f.jpg) (http://s1316.photobucket.com/user/bowslayerjez/media/20130907_190533_zps48c6f87f.jpg.html)
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Sounds good to me, too.
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I guess I'll go first, Not real sure which ones were decided upon so I got some pics of all 3. Broke 2 preforms today by trying to get to cute with the thiness. My blade core is out of a hornstone cobble and the Bolens bevel attempt is also from some hornstone. I made this stemmed point a couple of weeks ago so sorry if your seeing it again, It was made from some raw flint river. Hope this is what you had in mind for a stemmed point Bowslayer. Thanks for lookin, Bob
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Blade core man thats a tuff one for me i dont have rock big enough for that
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Good job on that blade core bob!
Looks legit for sure.
Solid bolen also
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Ok, help me out we don't have the Bolen Bevel here. Any pics or discriptions?
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Ok I know this is late but I wanted to show my efforts of last month before I move on. Long and short is... I had no luck with the Folsom.
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And my last attempt
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So since I had no luck with last month I'll have to work a little harder to nail it this month. This is the bolen bevel from overstreet.
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Thanx for the info stringman on the bolen one question from the pics it looks like it has one beveled edge or can it have more? Like tower sed we dont have that style here in texas and if we do it prolly had a different name that i dont know ;)
Sterling
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I believe the bevel refers to a single bevel edge on both sides. This is typically done on opposite sides. It can be a little tricky to identify except when looking straight on as though it were shot at you. From this view it appears to have a mild "S" shape.
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Cool i always figured points that had a single bevel in one direction was from resharpening iv seen artifacts that had a cool propeller twist from resharpening
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Some bolens had a fancy expanded E-notch.
Bevel is opposite on each side.
Don't forget about the blade core. Not only dose the cone look cool in a collection
but it's a good skill to have. Scap blocky shaped pieces from your debitoge pile make
good cores.
I will not be home until some time next week. Ill try to get in on sept POTM befor it's over.
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Stringman, tough luck on the buss Folsoms. Really good atempts for direct percussion flutting. I really beleave that they used some sorta pressure back in the day for those and cumbrrlands.
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Well here is my first attempt at this bolen the one on the left with the stalled notch :( the other i broke the notch so i matched it on the other side
(http://i1228.photobucket.com/albums/ee451/bloodmoonwidow/47D7D4B5-9FC3-435E-9E61-97DFD511A219-2523-0000015DA0A9EC33_zps391b128d.jpg)
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Scott, some real nice attempts at the folsom, I had a real hard time with it an I was using a jig :'( I,m with Jesse on somehow ancients used inderct pressure especially with the long fluted styles. Sterling ,looking good, Is your material some knife river, sure looks good. Bob
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Its some kind of solidified clay i got from tower at the last knapp-in i had at my house it is hard to work. It crushes real easy kinda in between burlington and glass in workability
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Cool video on blade cores.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KRHWjgDKxjE
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One more.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dMYBIW3-rb0&feature=related
I encourage everyone to try some cores. Learning this tech will open doors and help you get to that next lvl.
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Thanx for the vids jesse iv been reading about cores and hopefully this weekend can try again in making one my first attempt didnt go well lol
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Here is another attempt on the Beveled Bolen, I got a real nice bevel going but it is hard to show in the pics. Grizzly style broadheads were probably copied from a Bevled Bolens and markted like it was something new. :o Thanks for lookin. Bob
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Awesome job
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Looks like one to me, nice bevels, Bob. I've got to get in the pit, No time with work right now.
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That's a mighty fine lookin point!
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Here's mine, the rock is Buffalo River, and I took about 15 pictures trying to get a shot with the bevel. I give up, the flash kept washing it out. The core is from some Primo rock I got from Cowboy yesterday I was itching to hit on. Oh, it's going in the kiln ;D.
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The head on shot shows your bevels real well, I really like the looks of that Buffalo River. Bob
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Thanks, Bob, first chance in a while I've had time to play in the pit. It's back to gator hunting, again.
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Nice core Eddie and Bolen!
Made blade core. Its KY Blue and done with whitetail tine punch.
Copper punches dont have the range.
#1 trick is to have a solid anvil.
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Made a Bolen today. Knapped from Coral.
Little lop sided but knapped the whole point around the hole.
In a hurry will post beter pics later.
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Jesse, I like the e notchs and nice job saving the hole, Wonder if it whistles when shot :( Bob
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That point sure is religious. Its holy ;D
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No blade cores for me. I might try it with a piece of obsidian at some point, but later...
I tackled the bolen this morning and came up with a decent attempt (for me.)
(http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s670/cotton7611/6E094644-4C6D-48DD-B5FE-1454F3B8A466-10892-00000726EA558269_zps485c24f2.jpg)
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Very nice Bolen!
Costal plans chert?
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Good lookin point Scott, got to try me some e-notchs and I like the red on the point end, looks like you already drew first blood. ;D
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Thanks, guys
Nope, Jesse, just some more of my local Burlington.
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Right on.
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October is two days away.
I would like to nominate Mayan Eccentrics For Octobers challenging POTM.
Try to replicate a old one or come up with a new one.. This should be fun!
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or you could try something like this, sadly not done by me but a friend of mine and master knapper. (http://i1316.photobucket.com/albums/t614/bowslayerjez/IMG_62304495908187_zpsa61041be.jpg) (http://s1316.photobucket.com/user/bowslayerjez/media/IMG_62304495908187_zpsa61041be.jpg.html)
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Wow, maybe I should start with the easier point of the month ;D an work my way up. Someone pick the easier point of the month, so we can get lesser experienced guys involved. Jesse, ya got any tips on the eccentrics? should I just get a real thin preform going an then just use my imagination. Thanks Bob
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Exactly Bob :)
Practice expanding some notches on flakes. do it with pressure flaker from diffrent angles and also do it with in direct.
Eccentrics can look like anything, I dont think we need a novice point this month. Eccentrics can be both. They can be the size a thumb nail with some notches up to 14 inch long dragons.
Lets have fun with this, i cant wait to see what everyone comes up with!
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ill post mine tommorow! it's gona be cool!
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Found a flake of novaculite in my debitage pile an started pecking away, No idea when I started an no idea when finished , just kept going, Broke it once so changed idea an came up with this. Don't know what it is except eccentric, but it's growing on me an I like it :o :o ;D Thanks for lookin an come on lets see everyones exotic this month, let your hair down it is the month of Halloween, I just decided to call it a white wolf howling. Come on use your imagination ::)Thanks Bob
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Well done Bob!
Thats the 1st thing i thought was a wolf.
Very cool!
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Now let's see it mounted on a shaft. Only kidding >:D
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This was my first attempt and I feel like its still a success (kinda.) gonna have to try this again when I get some more time. Had a good run goin then popped one ear off the. Dropped it and broke the other. ::)
(http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s670/cotton7611/C514638E-F5AC-463B-B304-34B5E2ED4CDA-325-00000053923570C4_zps909be905.jpg)
(http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s670/cotton7611/CC30356E-55E3-4A56-BD31-2E6F75257B7B-325-000000539B5D78C5_zps55c26857.jpg)
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Scott, a nose ring? I bet that expanded notch was exciting with every flake, very nice. Bob
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Oh yea!
I tried one before I left for CA and it ended up the same way. Ill give ill give it another go when I get back!
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Just in time for Halloween!
(http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s670/cotton7611/6E7F3E58-72F7-4088-A253-DD5957626487-1695-00000167AD42AEC7_zpsed01f54b.jpg)
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Hey Scott that's 8) what is it use for? I think it make a nice medallion.
DBar
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Scott, excellent, man that is cool ;D I need to try another one.
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Very cool!
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I'm just havin fun with this one, kinda letting my limited imagination go to work. This felt a little more jacko lantern than anything. Might even try a few more of these.
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Well here's my try. It had a tip until I inadvertantly decided it didn't. :)
(http://i1278.photobucket.com/albums/y506/Dontower/DB0B3DE0-525D-41EF-9F0B-75478DAE290E-8133-00000648F160B5BF_zpsd7cd0eb4.jpg)
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Thats a cool one!
Grate job bro
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Little closer...
(http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s670/cotton7611/2EFB6BC1-FA3F-4B38-A928-DE3F2B6DB4B4-1803-0000015B6BFA1A3B_zps12c9a0b2.jpg)
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This things gonna give me fits before I complete one!
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Dang, you had it all except for one more little flake, beautiful very very narrow entry. I need to try one of those an see how frustated I can get :o :o Bob
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Lol, yeah I was actually done with the inside and trying to dress up the outside. Poorly planned on my part.
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heart brake!
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We are approaching a new month . Any suggestions ?
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I was gonna say Pedernales but I see that y'all did that one and that Tower and Patrick are pretty much experts.
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Here are the past Points of the Month:
5/12 Mouse Creek
6/12 Clovis
7/12 Dalton
8/12 Revilla
9/12 Susquehanna
10/12 Edwards
11/12 Barbed Gunther
12/12 Pine Tree
1/13 Chadborne
2/13 Pedernales
3/13 - 5/13 - no entries
6/13 Perdiz
7/13 Turkey Tail
8/13 Folsom
9/13 Bolon Beveled & Blade Core
10/13 Eccentric
That's what I found in a quick review. Maybe I'll give whatever is next a try.
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how about an Andice or Montell?
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Sounds like a good idea, been trapping an hunting, need to do a little knapping for a change up. :D
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This Andice is made from Edwards Chert. I can hardly see good enough to really get good punch placement (should wear my loop), but it's a fair representation. Hope people like it. Maybe I will make a Montel too. The bottom of the ears should be flatter and the outside of the ears should taper in slightly. I think the notches are OK, but I really wonder how those Archaic Indians in 4050-3050 BC were able to make these with bone, antler and rock.
(http://i574.photobucket.com/albums/ss187/benhenry007/Andice_zps713eff42.jpg)
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If they knapped anything like me they stayed pi$$ed off half the time and revelled in jubilee the other half. ::)
Knapper
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If folks want to make some other kind of points than a Montel or Andice, I'm happy to make something else. I'd have expected that someone would have made a point by now. Hope I didn't jump the gun. Maybe people are just busy deer hunting?
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I just got home and I'll play. I already have a bunch of broken ones ::)
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I'm working on a couple, between hunting and trapping :o I also got a few with broken barbs >:( Bob
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I got one to stay togeather this afternoon, Not perfect but whole 8) Tell me what ya think. West Texas rock and 3/4" notchs. Later Bob
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I am nowhere near good enough to try that. It pretty much requires punch notching huh?.
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Papoints, I actually think punch notchs are easier than reg notching. I use a 7018 welding rod that the flux has been knocked off from, also a pretty small dia. I flatten the end so it looks like a reg flat head screw driver with a little notch in it to set on my platform. Make sure your platform is below center . I also use a board on my lap as a table and put my point on top of my hand pad with the notch just hanging over the edge of pad. Give a sharp rap and a nice C flake comes out the bottom, keep your notch square an the corners clean. I had a small problem area on this point where i let my platform get to rounded an it stalled. Once i got it going again it was pretty routine. I have also used a large horseshoe nail for this. Give it a try on some of your debitage flakes. ;D Bob
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I'd say that one is ready for the case, Bob.
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Thanks Eddie :D
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Nice job BOB congrats!!!
Russ
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Man bob that looks awesome !!!! :)
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I got a chance today to go for the Montel. Had a nice pc of Georgetown that worked fairly well. Anyway here is my version of the Montel. I have never seen one so this is from pics in overstreets. Let me know what ya think, Any body else knappin , let's see some of your points, Hey anybody out there ;D :o Bob
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Nice points Bob, thanks for the advice I may work up the stones (bad pun intended lol) to give that a try soon.
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Tryed for another Andice today , came up a little short on my notching, finally stalled an just could get them to go again :( Needed to get my base thinner, any way here it is. Not one of my better points :-[ :(. Bob
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Nice points Bob.
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Nice points Bob. Man I haven't played in so long think ill give it a try. Finally got some time off :).
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Well I may have to show some failures instead of pernts. Broke five in a row today - cant seem to get it together >:(.
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Hate when that happens :( >:( Bob
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I usually stop at two Cowboy...occasionally I go to three broken points but by then I realize that I am cursed and can only make rubble. I have to admire your tenacity.
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I was determined to say the least. Lol. Don't know how many I broke this weekend >:(. Here's mine ;D.
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Haloooooooo?
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I had some of those. But, I modified them :)
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Dang boy! U had that one rolling!! Might I ask where u planned to stop?!?
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Most everything I build these days gets modified ::). Was going for about an inch but since that one side kept breaking I kept punching for awhile. Will try again at some point.
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Will try again at some point.
nice pun :P is there a point for this month? i know i always say this but im going to give it a try. :laugh:
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Pick one and lets all give it a try ;D I need to knock some rust off :o Bob
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How about a Lost Lake? I have been tinkering with those a bit.
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Let's go for it ;D
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Sounds good to me. Anyone else?
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Here's a poor attempt at a lost lake.
(http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s670/cotton7611/125E0D8C-F3E9-4FBD-9A98-7D57DDFE6731_zpseu4i9j2q.jpg) (http://s1311.photobucket.com/user/cotton7611/media/125E0D8C-F3E9-4FBD-9A98-7D57DDFE6731_zpseu4i9j2q.jpg.html)
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Here's one made of glass:
(http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m617/jhrper/Shared%20Pictures/100_1072.jpg) (http://s1134.photobucket.com/user/jhrper/media/Shared%20Pictures/100_1072.jpg.html)
Hers is another one that is what I think it would look like before sharpening, but I think I just missed the boat on this one.
(http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m617/jhrper/Shared%20Pictures/100_1073.jpg) (http://s1134.photobucket.com/user/jhrper/media/Shared%20Pictures/100_1073.jpg.html)
The hinges are what I use for my signature :)
Stringman, that is an awesome point. It looks thin and flat. I like it!
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Scott, looking good an that looks like some tuff material, Pa, man you nailed it with the glass one, IN my mind that is just what a Lost Lake should look like 8). I'm almost afraid to post mine, came out ok , but I had a differnt look in my head,just couldn't get out of there :o Here is mine made out of a pc of Kentucky stone. Bob
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That rascal looks good Bob! That's an impressive pile of flakes in the background too!
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Them are looking good guys! I'll see fin I can slide one in there.
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Finally had the patience to sit down. Horse creek, stalled notches, signature steps/stacks ;D.
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Nice!!!!! I love your work.
George
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Looks great to me, Paul!
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Paul, I like ;D
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OK here is my attempt at a Lost Lake that is not quite a lost lake. :o It might be called something else. :embarassed:
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Hey Cowboy, that horse creek chert is awesome, I like it. Hey Majuba Tom, it looks good to me!
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Looks good MT! That looks like some tough rock ta boot!!
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MT, nice, an I can see ya got the single bevel going on. :DBob
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Thanks guys. That was my first successful attempt and first time trying beveling. Cowboy I love the look of the Horse creek stone. It makes me want to go collecting more rock to see if I can find anything like that out here.
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Since it rained too hard to go hunting, I actually went out to the shop and broke up some perfectly good rock today trying to get a candidate for point of the month. Not to be though, I completely blew one corner off notching so I shortened it a little and made a stemmed point. I should have known better than to try corner notching after such a long layoff. It doesn't belong in this thread, but since I at least tried...
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5493/11486384154_9223bf4769.jpg)
George
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Hey George good to see you here, have missed seeing you around :). MT I have found a lot of cool rocks here in tx but that hc only comes from tn and southern ky I think. Wish it was around, I'd be hounding 8).
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This is the best I have in Christmas color.
Merry Christmas all.
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Looks like some Fenton slag. That stuff does make some very cool points.
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Hi Cowboy,
If you are calling the point I posted Fenton slag you may be correct.
I actually don't know what it is called. I got it in Franklin NC. (Gem Town)
The guy said it was art glass from West Virginia. Yes it is very pleasing to look at
and knap. Last time I went buy to buy some they wanted over $4 a pound.
To heavy for me.
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Nice, an appropiate for the season 8). $4 per pound , I believe you can get obsidian for 1/2 of that. Bob
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Hi Bob,
Did you say "natural glass" lol. I have one close--- Dasite
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Hey that ones looking good! Yes I was referring to Fenton slag glass. I bought some in Branson one time and looked very similar to what you have there.
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Those look good Zuma! I always have trouble with dacite.
I found this piece that had a little color to it.
(http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s670/cotton7611/21CB10B8-884F-46AB-A636-FE7C6CC47BA5_zps1bhp8frs.jpg) (http://s1311.photobucket.com/user/cotton7611/media/21CB10B8-884F-46AB-A636-FE7C6CC47BA5_zps1bhp8frs.jpg.html)
(http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s670/cotton7611/A7B14A23-1282-48A5-885E-42B43A4F9B08_zpswmqf1all.jpg) (http://s1311.photobucket.com/user/cotton7611/media/A7B14A23-1282-48A5-885E-42B43A4F9B08_zpswmqf1all.jpg.html)
(http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s670/cotton7611/9CEDC99F-D0BB-4A85-89AC-0F6893A87046_zpsqireuskh.jpg) (http://s1311.photobucket.com/user/cotton7611/media/9CEDC99F-D0BB-4A85-89AC-0F6893A87046_zpsqireuskh.jpg.html)
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Thanks Scott,
Yours is quite awesome. I hope to see more Dasite finished like that!
You didn't loose a smidge on length.
I had no idea it had a color range. Live and learn.
Hat off to all the other contributions here as well.
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That was misleading. I meant to say that was a piece of Burlington (not dacite.)
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Well great Scott! Lol. That's amazing you took that lil ole square rock and got that big ole point out of it. I need to focus more on efficiency. Great point!
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That is most definitely Fenton slag glass. There was a scrap yard in West Virginia right near the Fenton Factory that bought all of the slag from the plant and resold it as art glass. Place was called Gabbert Cullet. It is my understanding that the plant is now closed and will no longer be producing Fenton Glass. I have been there several times and it was like being a kid in a candy store.
http://www.gabbertcullet.com/backlot.html
I don't know what they still have available and I would be leery of buying it over thru the mail. The annealing on a lot of the glass was questionable and I used to try to take small flakes off some of it before putting it in the bucket. Some was under incredible tension from not being annealed properly and would literally explode in you hand when struck. It was sold all across the country to Gem stores and arts and craft places. May soon be harder to get. I am not even sure they will sell it in small lots.
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I hope it's ok to continue a bit along the Fenton glass path. Although it could make a thread of it's own.
Steve, your info is the best I have heard off.
I think I was to that plant but it was closed. Happenstance while driving through WV.
If the plant is in a gorge sorta setting with a river nearby. Lol could be anywhere WV.
Any way I wish I had bought more when I found it in Franklin years ago.
Look on ebay they want like $10 @lb. (not sure any is fenton)
I will include some pice of the stress Steve made us aware of and a few other
points. Well atleast they are very Christmasy
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Thats the stuff, if you have a kiln and can read up on annealing a bit it is not hard to fuse it and make new glass it helps get rid of the stress. Do not mix colors tho. I always called the brown jaspery looking stuff Glasper.
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Yep same stuff I have. Gave sparrow a blade made of the red.
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That red is the first stuff I ever knapped. There is still some small pieces in the knapping pit.
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Last of the month and last day of the year, so I thought I would make one more try for the Lost Lake, wasn't real happy with my other one, I like this one a little better, anyways heres my last point for this year. Thanks for lookin an what's are new point going to be? Bob
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What type of point will ring in our New Year? The Plainview?
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Pic?
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Nice looking lost lake Bob! That plainveiw looks something like an unfluted Clovis I think.
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Great thread,
Have you all done Vosburg? Kinda a North East type.
Zuma
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Here is my Plainview attempt. It came out a little smaller than the first one on page 802 of the Overstreet guide 12th edition. I hope everyone likes it I had fun. 8)
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Nice Plainview! And that looks like some cool material behind it too!
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Forget Overstreet = over rated as a guide. You did the form and basal flaking right. Looks like Edwards or some similar TX chert too. Nice job IMHO.
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That looks Sweet!
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This is more or less what I would try and pass off as a Plainview. I might should have tried to straighten the sides up a little to make them more parallel, but there are lots of variations in the archeological record. It is Novaculite about 3.25" long.
(http://i574.photobucket.com/albums/ss187/benhenry007/Plainview_zpscd114e38.jpg)
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it looks real nice to me.
Dalton what guide would you suggest? The Overstreet was the only one on the shelf at the bookstore at the time. And I really needed something that showed me the shapes sizes and possible id of what I am trying to make. Of course they usually turn out to look like something else. :o
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Hey Tom - The only one I know of that is really affordable is Overstreet. Of course the Bell & Perino books are the ultimate source, but they are very expensive to own, even used and I think you have to get four volumes to have them all. If you can find it used, "Flint Blades & Projectile Points of the North American Indian" by Lawrence N. Tully is pretty good, but for instance, it did not include a Midland Point. I don't know the current price or if it is in print (check Amazon). It is B&W photographs, but nice ones.
If you don't mind line drawings (I like them), "Stone Age Spear and Arrow Points" by Noel D. Justice isn't a bad book, but it is likely to cost around $40 new. It might be much cheaper used on Amazon.
A good compromise is "A Field Guide to the Artifacts of Texas," and it costs only about $20 used on Amazon (but more like $57 new). It only has line drawings and is geographically limited.
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I thought I was going to make it. Oops!
Pretty happy just the same. Just a recent piece of hingerite. lol
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I hate that when it happens - looks like tough rock too. Aside from the break, I think you did a nice job.
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Thanks Dalton,
I hope I am just knocked down not knocked out. lol
Just my second venture into knarly NC rhyolite.
Zuma
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Plainview is said to be an unfinished Dalton. Its a nice point and can teach a lot about symmetry and pressure flaking... If I get a chance I will make one. Been busy at work!
Russ
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Well tried to funny with this on the other post so here is mine wihout the humor
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Nice work and done with sticks and stones like the old fellers did. I respect that very much. Form perfect.
(PS - I think people generally thought your pun on the other post was funny - I love puns)
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That is one fine point!!!!!
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John, I think you should explain.... :)
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Lol ok I made this point with antler and an ulna bone.
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Here's a Plainview I made a while back. It has a crystal pocket that's kinda cool looking...
(http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg112/jackcrafty/DSC_0011_zps114aa562.jpg) (http://s246.photobucket.com/user/jackcrafty/media/DSC_0011_zps114aa562.jpg.html)
(http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg112/jackcrafty/DSC_0009_zps7717f614.jpg) (http://s246.photobucket.com/user/jackcrafty/media/DSC_0009_zps7717f614.jpg.html)
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That's a nice point Patrick
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Heck I am going to say it twice that is a nice point and really like that you were able to keep that crystal in the point.
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Great looking point Patrick.
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Thanks!
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If I was home I'd post a couple of Patricks Plainviews he sent me. Excellent examples.
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Here is my Plainview, Got this out of a small flake of Texas stone, got a little conc, but seemed to thin out okay. Bob
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Very nice bob
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Nice point Patrick the crystal kicks butt.I guess I have to get with the program.I've been busy doing points for an upcoming display and haven't been paying attention to the point of he month
Bone
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It's about time Rodger, put down your sewing and get in here ;D Bob
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It's about time Rodger, put down your sewing and get in here ;D Bob
yep I was to see one too...sewing lol
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Here's my attempt at a Plainview point. It's made from local material.
(http://i1278.photobucket.com/albums/y506/Dontower/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-01/5DA74784-BAAE-4C84-BA45-DA57243E4B97_zpsrbkaaaiv.jpg) (http://s1278.photobucket.com/user/Dontower/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-01/5DA74784-BAAE-4C84-BA45-DA57243E4B97_zpsrbkaaaiv.jpg.html)
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That's awesome, Don!
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Exceptionally clean , very nice.
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Very Good Tower - parallel sides, prominent parallel flake scars, basal thinning and hollowed base as well as the general shape. Plus, great job knapping IMO.
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Well done Tower. Very nice replica.
Zuma
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Last Plainview , I promise :o, found a small pc of raw flint river in my bucket so thought I would go for one more Plainview, Her she is . Bob
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That's a good lookin point !
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Not a sweety but I'd tie it to my stick.
Zuma
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8)
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Some nice pieces there! No need to stop Bob, try another
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Zuma, nice :D
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Thanks Jack and Bob. Tower I was thinking how much like the elegant,
forgotten Eden. your point reminds me of.
I hope it is ok to post more than one POTM?
I hope you-all do.
Zuma
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Yes, it's OK to post more than one POM.
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Jack, I hope you were not implying that a chimp with butter and corn
tastes better than a pile of Boston Baked Beans and a bowl of Clam Chowder? lol
Zuma
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Never like the baked beans... but love the chowder!
Not implying anything. The more points the better. I like to sit back and enjoy the show. :)
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Finally got some time in the pit and was able to turn out a few good ones. The Tx rock came from Patrick and the other is Burlington.
(http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s670/cotton7611/B574A98D-3FA1-424A-972F-E6D07A8FFADD_zpskeudlg1s.jpg) (http://s1311.photobucket.com/user/cotton7611/media/B574A98D-3FA1-424A-972F-E6D07A8FFADD_zpskeudlg1s.jpg.html)
(http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s670/cotton7611/939FC53D-C749-496A-93D7-2E3E6B4D91F2_zpsi6ybqun1.jpg) (http://s1311.photobucket.com/user/cotton7611/media/939FC53D-C749-496A-93D7-2E3E6B4D91F2_zpsi6ybqun1.jpg.html)
(http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s670/cotton7611/619106D9-0154-48A2-9F93-60CDCBC23690_zps3zsvsv0g.jpg) (http://s1311.photobucket.com/user/cotton7611/media/619106D9-0154-48A2-9F93-60CDCBC23690_zps3zsvsv0g.jpg.html)
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Oh yeah! :)
They look alive,
Zuma
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I know I already posted one Plainview, but here's another I made yesterday out of an improbably piece of Edwards. It's a tad over 4.5" and I did cheat by using heat treated material. I tried to stop knapping and not do too much pressure flaking on it in order to keep that "paleo" look to it. Yesterday was one of those rare days I couldn't make a mistake.
B side
(http://i574.photobucket.com/albums/ss187/benhenry007/Plainview12614B_zpsed7c74af.jpg)
A side
(http://i574.photobucket.com/albums/ss187/benhenry007/Plainview12614A_zpsa65d3dff.jpg)
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I really like that piece Dalton!
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Yes sir, that baby has Paleo written all over it!
Zuma
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Dalton, good point and nice job of knowing when to quit ;D Bob
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I gave it a try with some dacite and flint river. I've seen several variations, hope I got it close. Rick B
(http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee412/rickb29212/041b_zpse6b8a174.jpg) (http://s1226.photobucket.com/user/rickb29212/media/041b_zpse6b8a174.jpg.html)
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Looks to me like you did a great job. The form of the Plainview varies greatly and you knapped well.
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Good lookin points Rick.
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A friend of mine found this paleo point in Texas many years ago. Could be a variation of the Plainview. Rick B
(http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee412/rickb29212/texaspoint_zpsc9d0ebcc.jpg) (http://s1226.photobucket.com/user/rickb29212/media/texaspoint_zpsc9d0ebcc.jpg.html)
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That's not a Plainview, I forget the type. My gut tells me Goshen, but I am unsure of all the variabilities. That flat base and in-curving sides are diagnostic. I'll get back with you on that unless someone beats me to it. Damn memory! It is distinctive.
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Great lookin points.
Time is running out. Get your entry in asap. lol I am like Jack. Need my eye candy.
Zuma
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It looks like a excellent example of a Gahagan biface knife. Just my thoughts.
(http://i1278.photobucket.com/albums/y506/Dontower/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-01/9149EB7E-13C9-4BB2-9F89-4EA72FAF9DA2_zpsqx3ytqpj.jpg) (http://s1278.photobucket.com/user/Dontower/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-01/9149EB7E-13C9-4BB2-9F89-4EA72FAF9DA2_zpsqx3ytqpj.jpg.html)
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+1 on Gahagan biface. Late Prehistoric (not paleo).
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Thanks for the input guys. No doubt that it is a Gahagan biface knife. I guess I'll have to attempt one now. Rick B
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But of course, you need to attempt one. :) After all, you have a killer example to go by!
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What do you all think about Vosburg as a potential POM?
New York & Northeast Typlogy - Creekside Artifacts
www.creeksideartifacts.com/typology/ - Similarto New York & Northeast Typlogy - Creekside Artifacts
NORTHEASTERN PROJECTILE POINTS. The following ... 5,000 - 2,000 BC Vosburg · Otter creek · Brewerton Side-Notched · Brewerton Corner-Notched
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Zuma, Vosberg sounds like a challenge to me, let's go for it :o Bob
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Wonderful! Bob
I think my romance with the point is that it is somewhat transitional ina big way.
A directional step from deep corner notching to stemmed points.
The difference is the points are THIN like alot of Broadspears to follow.
But the respect of the soon to be forgotten notches and concaved basses seems to be paramount.
Looking forward to some awesome eye candy.
Zuma
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Here's my first attempt...
(http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s670/cotton7611/CAC855F5-A341-42F3-8D5A-05A79966EFBF_zpsfumulctz.jpg) (http://s1311.photobucket.com/user/cotton7611/media/CAC855F5-A341-42F3-8D5A-05A79966EFBF_zpsfumulctz.jpg.html)
(http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s670/cotton7611/B889342B-CF17-41A9-9FE5-30879FC1472F_zpsmkll0kwq.jpg) (http://s1311.photobucket.com/user/cotton7611/media/B889342B-CF17-41A9-9FE5-30879FC1472F_zpsmkll0kwq.jpg.html)
(http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s670/cotton7611/A98DF895-A288-42FF-836D-B43A12AA3632_zpsfgnueodw.jpg) (http://s1311.photobucket.com/user/cotton7611/media/A98DF895-A288-42FF-836D-B43A12AA3632_zpsfgnueodw.jpg.html)
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Sweet! Stringman
Zuma
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beautiful point scott...........
DBar
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Well here is my first POM attempt. I made it this evening out of heat treated coral.
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Parnell and Scott , Nice looking Vosburgs, I quess I better see what I can come up with. Bob
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I got a few points made today, 2 Vosburgs and a pc of rootbeer with notchs. the dark vosburg is tuff pc of onondaga, and the grey one is a flake of georgetown.The rootbeer was a treat to work after the onondaga ::) Bob
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Those look great, I really like the Onondaga.
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I especially like the long, wide thinning flake scars, Sort of a vestige of the Paleo era.
Nice looking spear points fellows
Zuma!
PS I modified this a bit. Normanskill
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Here's my attempt at a Vosberg and first point of the month. Made of Jasper. Terry
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I like 8)
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So are we stopping on 50 pages?
I'd like to suggest Folsom for the March POM. Here's what I came up with today. Tried 3 different times and finally had a little success. Free hand fluted on a piece of burlington, plenty of room for improvement!
(http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s670/cotton7611/0DCBCFAA-1CF1-40F4-A8E4-D49D0D32D173_zpsiftymoug.jpg) (http://s1311.photobucket.com/user/cotton7611/media/0DCBCFAA-1CF1-40F4-A8E4-D49D0D32D173_zpsiftymoug.jpg.html)
(http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s670/cotton7611/5C0565CE-F187-461B-95DC-D01F8D6652AF_zpst5dbfd20.jpg) (http://s1311.photobucket.com/user/cotton7611/media/5C0565CE-F187-461B-95DC-D01F8D6652AF_zpst5dbfd20.jpg.html)
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Here is one I made awhile back, I,ll try an make a couple new ones for this month :D Bob
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Nice Folsoms folks.
No long flutes but I think it qualifies lol
Zuma
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I guess everyone is having trouble with these little buggers.
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just call it cage rattling
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Those look nice Zuma. Apparently, Folsom is hard for everybody!
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Thanks stringman. Now I am a broken record. lol
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How about a Big Sandy E-Notched for Aprils P.O.M.
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Tom, sounds real good to me. This is a new point style for me and I just looked in Overstreets for a picture, I have never seen a actual Big Sandy artifact , I had a preform already made out of some hornstone so after supper I put this one together, As usual had a cake side and a conc. side, All in all I thought it came out pretty good, I don't have to much experience with the E- notch but came out OK, Thanks for looking and comments or crytic welcome. Later Bob
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it looks good to me. Here is my first attempt.
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Tom, I like, has that ancient look that is hard to achieve, 8) what kind of material? Bob
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Just some obsissian I got down FL way.
Zuma
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Good looking stuff Zuma.
Well here is my 2nd attempt at a Big Sandy E notch. Things did not go so well. I broke it a couple of times. :( I still like what it looks like but I do not know what type of point you would call it now. :o
Tom, I like, has that ancient look that is hard to achieve, 8) what kind of material? Bob
Bob I would call the material a type of agate same with the point in this post. The material I have been collecting might be a type of agatized dolomite. Who knows?
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Here is another E-Notch. I like how the OBS turned out.
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I like! Man I don't see how you boys Knap that stuff. It cuts like glass. ;)
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I cheat Tower! :o I wear gloves untill most of the thinning is done.
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Ok, Ok. It's been weeks this thread has been abandoned.
So I call Pedrenales cause there ain't no one here. lol
Zuma
shoot I can't even spell or pronounce it.
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Everyone's went to the classic :o I'm back, so Perdnales it is, see what I can come up with, thanks Zuma for getting this going again. Bob
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My pleasure,
Keeps us on our toes.
LOL we both spelt it wong.
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a little better Ped.
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I may see ifn I can join in on this one. Nice perds!
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I just got some rock from 119er and a nice point, Not sure of what the rock is, I believe he said it was citronelle gravel but I am quessing . I picked up this red pc and it knapped pretty good so here is my Pedernalis style point. Maybe 119 er will see this and ID the material. Bob
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Bob, if you picked that up at the Classic it is some of the red Alabama jasper that Stringman and Shannon were knapping. Scott gave me a piece and said it was a special and rare rock. It did work different than anything I have worked.
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nclonghunter, I just recieved this pc and lots of others from my pith trade with 119er. Lots of small flat creek rocks, maybe niner will come on and ID for me.
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Lyman, I was thinking the same thing. It shore is darn close. (Pic posted for comparison sake.)
(http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s670/cotton7611/F390FA53-6ED5-4656-B621-A55E9C321273_zpsiuxstvn4.jpg) (http://s1311.photobucket.com/user/cotton7611/media/F390FA53-6ED5-4656-B621-A55E9C321273_zpsiuxstvn4.jpg.html)
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Scott, 119er lives in Louisana, wonder how close to Ala. or if same source of material. Looks exactly like the stuff you had. It was a small pc and had a real thin cortex an the very outside was real smooth and waxy, reminded me of a flat creek stone for skipping, Just under cortex was a lt. yellow layer not quite as bright as horsecreek. Bob
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Yep, looks like the same stuff Scott gave me a piece of. Nice point, Bob.
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Any case, that's some nice rock and a nice job knapping it!
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That is some pretty rock and nice pernts. Wish I had a bucket full. Here's one from pedernales. Nice break from all the failed flutes.
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As always, benchmark stuff Paul.
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A Perd in the hand is worth two in the tush.
Nice clean example.
Zuma
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That was a joy to make kinda got me off the routine I've been in lately. And that heated perd was like butter, man I love this turkey roaster :D.
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One of the best I've ever seen. Excellent point!
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Man, thats pretty. I may try that next.
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nclonghunter, I just recieved this pc and lots of others from my pith trade with 119er. Lots of small flat creek rocks, maybe niner will come on and ID for me.
Niner spends a lot of time up the Boge Chitto River north of the Pontchartrain.
I have been there with him. It's an unusual rocky river bottom.
Most everything has a cortex that was created by all the rocks and sand tumbling against eack other for eons.
It's loaded with tons of golf ball and slightly bigger sized chert nodules and petrified wood. The Chitto originates north east of there in Mississippi and is known for bigger chert nodules of the similar material.
Some are super colorfull and remind me of jasper.
Zuma
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Can't wait till the first. This place is kinda dead:(. Not that I'm the the one to talk but can't wait till the first ;).
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What have you got up your sleeve Bob?
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Some more perds, nice! I see you've been busy Zuma. Lotsa blanks on that tailgate and blood on the fingers :).
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lol
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Reminds me of me, lot of cool looking rocks in there.
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Hey guys. So much eye candy in this thread!
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/wakolbinger/flint%20knapping/IMG_63011.jpg)
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/wakolbinger/flint%20knapping/IMG_63021.jpg)
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Nice one! Got more Bomo?
Zuma
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Not perds. I've actually never been very fond of the shape of them, which is why I only made a little guy. A turd perd. It's the first perd I've made.
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Not too shabby there bowmo!
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Ok ok, ya got me Zuma, I went out and made another... Also Georgetown. And here's a bunch of others I missed. I could hardly remember any of the types by the time I got outside, but here's a Mouse Creek in Upper Mercer, a Clovis in Rootbeer, a Revilla wanabe (oops out of order) which was another first attempt out of Georgetown, a couple Daltons out of translucent Mill Creek and Georgetown, and the two Perds. Few! I have a lot of catching up to do...
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/wakolbinger/IMG_63221.jpg)
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/wakolbinger/IMG_63251.jpg)
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Glad I got ya! Bowmo. This is what it's all about.
Very nice examples.
I let my girl friend find this one near Sequin. My inspiration.
I think it has a 10 to one thickness ratio. I would like to make one like it (Whole)
someday.
Zuma
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Man you guys are punching out some killer points!
Tracy
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Here's my attempt. This was made from a tough piece of Edwards. I'd like to see what it could to a buffalo (http://i1278.photobucket.com/albums/y506/Dontower/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-01/F5DE8B66-AAB9-4EA3-A611-BDEFFF870DE5_zpsminxvwh9.jpg) (http://s1278.photobucket.com/user/Dontower/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-01/F5DE8B66-AAB9-4EA3-A611-BDEFFF870DE5_zpsminxvwh9.jpg.html)
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Tower, That's awesome! Pitty that buffalo!
Plenty of May left guys.
Zuma
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Don: that would do plenty to a buffalo, mammoth, cow, whatever! Nice point all around.
Zuma, man you've been busy :).
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Sittin at my campsite and thoughts turned to the POM...
(http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s670/cotton7611/8438EBBF-B5E1-484A-B4DD-2C468C1D8BA9_zpsur091v4h.jpg) (http://s1311.photobucket.com/user/cotton7611/media/8438EBBF-B5E1-484A-B4DD-2C468C1D8BA9_zpsur091v4h.jpg.html)
(http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s670/cotton7611/E04ACE82-30A0-4BD1-AAF5-91B831324D3D_zpsu2wv1eyu.jpg) (http://s1311.photobucket.com/user/cotton7611/media/E04ACE82-30A0-4BD1-AAF5-91B831324D3D_zpsu2wv1eyu.jpg.html)
(http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s670/cotton7611/C69AE375-EBFE-4A43-A21A-E8EF8C9B82B6_zps5zhnf3yx.jpg) (http://s1311.photobucket.com/user/cotton7611/media/C69AE375-EBFE-4A43-A21A-E8EF8C9B82B6_zps5zhnf3yx.jpg.html)
Everyone's knocking out some shiners this month!
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Good thinkin String. I like it.
The month started off slow but you guys have made it shine.
Zuma
Oh just one more time---
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Purdy's right! Them are some dandys. All I ever found was a bottom half too zuma. In Georgetown. It wasn't near that thin though.
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Lookin' good guys! Here's another out of some gritty dry Texas rock...
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/wakolbinger/IMG_63681.jpg)
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Please help!
I just can't stop. I need a Pedercologist.
Just a day or two to go. I hope I can hold on.
Zuma
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Makin' some honkers Zuma...
Here's a few more I chipped out.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/wakolbinger/IMG_63981.jpg)
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/wakolbinger/IMG_63991.jpg)
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Better shot of the novac...not too bad other than the little baby stack cluster on the tang.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/wakolbinger/IMG_64021.jpg)
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Nice ones bowmo
A lot of times the ancient ones have little stacks like yours.
I think from resharpening while still hafted.
Zuma
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I am freakin out--- But I am holdin back, eeeerrr
Zuma
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Well...what's it gona be fellas?
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So what's it gona be?! Mustache Simpson anyone?
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/wakolbinger/IMG_61401.jpg)
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Looks like a winner! I've never made one although always meant too :).
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Perfect cowboy! Nothing like that extra nudge to make something you've always wanted to anyway. I love this thread for that.
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Sounds good as long as I still have some decent rock.
Yosemite Sam it is. Although I never wanted to make one. lol
Zuma
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Like cutting crown molding.
Upside down and backwards.
Zuma
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Now that's different! I'm finding it takes more rock to build one than one might think. Kinda hard to get that nice swoop up effect on the stache. Still chipping.
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Been awhile since I posted a POM post. Got bit in the pit today, bout an hour and I wasn't expecting to make this, more of a cahokia, but the rock thought other wise.
Here's my Hoosier Simpsom Mustache, Bybee Burlington is the material. dpgratz
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Well I think their in the neighborhood. Those staches are more difficult than they look.
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Handlebars cowboy!
You are to modest.
Zuma
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Dang Cowboy! Those are awesome. Now I see why I aven't posted in POM for a while. :-[ dp
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Do not despair Derik, you are doing just fine! Keep on a knappin :)! Remember what everybody says about tonnage? There's your ticket. I'd like to come up there and spend a day.
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lol, Found no reason for this type point, so I did some snoopin around.
Just found this un -edited (spell check ) fun.
I was thinking they could be some heavily re sharpened projectiles. Not now?
The article is really good,
Mustache Simpson
Written by Lloyd Schroder
Tuesday, 24 January 2012 18:30
The blade narrows at the half thing area
The basal edges are smooth from the half thing area and from a re-curved basal adage.
No matter, I think I am trying to preserve to much blade?
Zuma
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I think someone back in the day just had to come up with something different for whatever reason. Don't know if these are projectile points or what but the staches would obviously prevent them from penetrating, hmm.
Also noticed along the way that you can create just about anything your mind can conjure up and you can find it in the overstreet.
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Thanks cowboy...I ain't givin up on the knapping. I want to try to get really good at cahokia and agee style points. That is what my summer point spread should be by fall.
zuma, I think you;re right about needing to get rid of some blade.
Thanks Guys, dp
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That's it, I quit this one. haha. And tonnage is right. Too bad I live in IL and basically refuse to by rocks. I've worked maaaybe 20 pieces of large unspalled rock in my 16+ years of chipping.
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Oh ya...those all look killer guys.
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I think I'm hung-up on fleur de lis.
I'll call em Homer Simpsons, Doah!
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Dohh! There's a stache Zuma! Goodun. Those things will work your posterior off aye?
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Man! That one is sweet Zuma.
Today kinda sucked for me. Haha. But I did tap into the prettiest piece of Pedernales I've ever worked that I couldn't bring myself to make into anything other than this apparently.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/wakolbinger/IMG_64901.jpg)
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It's a live and learn world--- Or stagnation. lol
Thanks for the opportunity to learn with you guys!
Don't feel bad bowmo I didn't post my failures.
When they go down, pushing your present envelope
and you realize why, Bam, is a brand new ball game.
Zuma
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Been awhile since I posted a POM post. Got bit in the pit today, bout an hour and I wasn't expecting to make this, more of a cahokia, but the rock thought other wise.
Here's my Hoosier Simpsom Mustache, Bybee Burlington is the material. dpgratz
BB Chert hehe ...nice point your hard work is really paying off.
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Hey! you all got summer fever?
Hows about Perkiomem? A Pennsylvania type. Usually jasper.
Any rock will due to get this kick started.
Zuma
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Well?
I got one out of Flint Ridge material.
Zuma
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Well that's sorta jazzy, ha.. nice work and beautiful rock. Havent had the knapping bug here lately Zuma. Maybe it'll bite me later..
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Well, I'll oficially plant a cross here and pile some flint nodules around it.
Zuma
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Haha. Nooooo. I haven't been knapping the last moth. The mosquito population is insane here in IL this year and I can't stand to be in my knapping pit!
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Man, It looks like I own POM for July 2014.
Way to go
Zuma
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;D
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Like me. It's not that sweet tiny bear you guy are scart of.
It's the Perkiomen. Just the name is intimidating. LOL
Zuma
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Only 48 minuets left. Eastern Standard Daylight savings time.
A coup;e hours more going west. LOL >:D >:D >:D ;D
Zuma
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Looks like you won it for July. ;)
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Well Jack,
I really take no pleasure in playing alone.
What's worse is I have been deprived of the eye candy
that other menbers usually adorn these pages with. :(
Kinda great they made a brand new month for this thread.
Anyone up for flakin a ------- ah crap!
Zuma
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I'm sure this thread will be active again soon. Summer is usually slow...
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OK< Zuma. I'm not all that intrested in picking a style but if someone wants to pick I'll attempt to make one. August is my birthday month so surly there will be time set aside for knapping!!!
Knapper
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;D >:D
OK Knapper. I'll try Scottsbluff. I looked back to the first of the year.
No Scotties. I hope the other awesome knappers are ok and just off
to the beach.
Zuma
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Jack, Do you think the bear will come back?
I'd play with him.
Not your typical Scottsbluff.
Made from gnarly English flint.
Zuma
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Very nice, the deep flake scars look great.
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OK, thanks Bob
Here is a real one.
Well really knapped by a ,
Zuma
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Is that a real Scotty? Or is it knapped by a ...? :o ;D
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Is that a real Scotty? Or is it knapped by a ...? :o ;D
Well officer, you have neglected to read me my propers, so
I reserve the right to have an attorney present.
F Lee Bailey will do if he is still breathing.
Do you know where I can find a little bear to spend some time with?
Zuma
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Skeeters are finally dying down here. There were less in the boundary waters of Minnesota last week than we have here in IL!
Pedernales with a crystal pocket and some Hixton I picked up in a Culvers parking lot in Wisconsin on our way back from Minnesota (no luck rock hunting in Minnesota :( )
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/wakolbinger/IMG_70241.jpg)
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OK, Zuma. Here is my first one. Hope to finish #2 today, out of some Tx rock.
Knapper
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Zuma here are a couple I made a few months ago, see if I can whip up a couple of fresh ones before end of month. Bob
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;D
Man that's a slew of Scotties.
Nice lookin one and all.
I hate to ask a question like this but has anybody
seen any posts from Cowboy lately?
I do hope is enjoying himself off on vacation.
Zuma
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OBob, like that novaculite, what's the second one out off. Has nice scare patterns also.
Knapper
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(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/wakolbinger/IMG_70271.jpg)
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Something is eating my Scotty
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Great Scott! :o All these great Scotties. I need to make one. Zuma that handle turned out great on that Scotty.
Majuba Tom
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;D Thanks Tom.
Zuma
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Here's my attempts at some Scotty's:
(http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg112/jackcrafty/IMG_0254_zpsbdc6749e.jpg) (http://s246.photobucket.com/user/jackcrafty/media/IMG_0254_zpsbdc6749e.jpg.html)
(http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg112/jackcrafty/IMG_0252_zps745e7642.jpg) (http://s246.photobucket.com/user/jackcrafty/media/IMG_0252_zps745e7642.jpg.html)
(http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg112/jackcrafty/IMG_0256_zpse7b05053.jpg) (http://s246.photobucket.com/user/jackcrafty/media/IMG_0256_zpse7b05053.jpg.html)
(http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg112/jackcrafty/IMG_0251_zps8220db16.jpg) (http://s246.photobucket.com/user/jackcrafty/media/IMG_0251_zps8220db16.jpg.html)
Almost an overshot... Can't figure where that crack came from but it stopped the flake from traveling all the way to the edge.
(http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg112/jackcrafty/IMG_0258_zpsb277848a.jpg) (http://s246.photobucket.com/user/jackcrafty/media/IMG_0258_zpsb277848a.jpg.html)
And I dropped my best Scotty while taking these pics... that figures. The tips always find a way to break off. >:( ::)
(http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg112/jackcrafty/IMG_0257_zpsecdebf5d.jpg) (http://s246.photobucket.com/user/jackcrafty/media/IMG_0257_zpsecdebf5d.jpg.html)
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Here's my latest batch of Pedernales points (better late than never, I guess) ;D
(http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg112/jackcrafty/IMG_0261_zpsa6345fdd.jpg) (http://s246.photobucket.com/user/jackcrafty/media/IMG_0261_zpsa6345fdd.jpg.html)
(http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg112/jackcrafty/IMG_0260_zps1ae14a10.jpg) (http://s246.photobucket.com/user/jackcrafty/media/IMG_0260_zps1ae14a10.jpg.html)
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Nice work fellers! Wish I could join in the fun but am two hundred miles from home without my tools :(.
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bo nice ones.
Jack, if you read "The longest joke" thread you would know it's Better Nate than Lever. Great pile of points. So clean and crisp.
Cowboy--I was worried about you. Looking forward to your catch-up points.
Zuma
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Hmmm. Gotta read that thread... better Nate than Lever... heheh ;D
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LOL Jack just skim it if you do.
Here are my baby Scotts.
Zuma
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Killer Scotties you two.
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Those are quite attractive Zuma :). I will have a lot of catching up to do for sure.
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I really like this thread.
Not because it is competitive but because it gives
me good reason to better my skill.
You guys are inspirational.
Thanks Zuma
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That page is full of beautiful points. Man I need some time alone with some rock :P. Been working on getting all my food plots out. Hope to get at least one more before the end.
Knapper
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Darn...I knew I recognized that spalted maple handle at the Ridge! But I couldn't place where...I should have stopped and said hi Zuma.
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Darn...I knew I recognized that spalted maple handle at the Ridge! But I couldn't place where...I should have stopped and said hi Zuma.
Well you should have asked to buy the knife. lol
I met Outback Bob and Bone Pile was there.
I am sure there were more members there too.
I think I'll post a thread.
How about Mac Corkel for September?
I just finished this Flint River one.
Zuma
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Looks like the Montell point we have in Tx. I'm game. Heres one I did a couple weeks ago.
(http://i1278.photobucket.com/albums/y506/Dontower/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-01/AE3140A7-9965-4201-82A9-15031CBF6899_zpswkun86xy.jpg) (http://s1278.photobucket.com/user/Dontower/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-01/AE3140A7-9965-4201-82A9-15031CBF6899_zpswkun86xy.jpg.html)
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Most Mac Corkels are way resharpened.
I modified the one I posted earlier and added a couple.
They are in the LeCroy/Stanley family.
Very very nice Montel Tower
Zuma
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Here is my first Mac Corkel. Didn't make it back last month for another point but hope to knap more this month.
Knapper
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When I looked at the first photo I was wondering if there were shadows.
The second pic sure answered my question!
That's a purdy one. Hope you have time for more.
Zuma
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Ok. Here is # 2. Tried to make it look a little more authentic. This is out of some course Nova. No heat!
Knapper
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them Mac Corkels are real close to a montell. Them look good guys, i'm still out here in flint country and still don't have my tools. What's that first material knapper? kinda looks like mook?
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Cowboy, The first is a piece that came in a group of flint ridge. And if your in flint country pick up a box for me ;)
Knapper
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Well, I guess that is mook. The guy who sent me the box of flint ridge said it was mookaite. So there! Shows what I know. but it is pretty.
Knapper
Always learning something new.
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When I was at Flint Ridge a fellow came by wanting to sell some
authentic artifacts. I gave him my best advice and he rewarded
me with this beauty. It's not a McCorkel or a Pedrenales.
It's a LeCroy. Notice the bifurcations are more vertical, where they
are more rounded on the McCorkel. The bases are heavily ground.
This LeCroy has been resharpened to a needle tip. On the shaft.
Mc Corkel and LeCroy date back to the early Archaic.
Zuma
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Ok Zumma a new month is coming up whats next!!
Knapper
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Cool, I was hoping one of you guys would choose and make me work at it like I had to with the mustashes. lol
Zuma
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What about a drill or perforator ?
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I could defiantly go for that as I am pretty deep into drilling as of late.
A good drill is not as easy as some may think.
Man I would like to get some from you guys to try out too.
Zuma
PS Some of the youngsters at Lake Wheeler NC (Raliegh) got to try my
bannerstone hand drill. I'll post it if you all agree.
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Ok Let's begin! >:D
I guess it is DRILLS. Well that is if you all agree.
lol
Zuma
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Look perfect. I've broken 2 already.
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Never made a drill, gonna have to give that a go. Look good Zuma.
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Here's a few I have made. The three standing up are of course made from Dalton points and the two laying down are drills made to be drills. The materials on the Daltons, left to right are Edwards chert, Novaculite and Alibates . The square end one made from Novaculite was the first drill that I think I ever made years and years ago. The one with the round end is Edwards.
(http://i574.photobucket.com/albums/ss187/benhenry007/Drills_zps4f672eb3.jpg)
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Those look awesome DN! I've never made one but may have to try now - if I ever get back home ::).
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OK here is my first attempt at a drill. :o It looks kinda wide compared to the other ones. Looks ok for making big holes. :laugh:
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8) ;D
Alright! Dalton those drills are superb.
Majuba, I have a slim idea that a drill like
yours would be self sharpening and very effective.
BTW cool material????
I am trying to find time to experiment more.
One from gnarly English I made to be hafted and some
personal finds.
Zuma
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People are making some cool drills! I like that drill that has what looks like a bannerstone on it and all the "real deal" drills! Neat stuff guys.
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I just wanted to show off what the gnarly English drill accomplished
in just 11 minuets.
There is a discussion I started on Primitive Skills.
Zuma
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That's really neat! Did it drill through soapstone? Nice work.
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Yep Dalton,
Soapstone, almost 3/4 ". I think slate is softer.
I had a lot of banded slate but gave it away.
Zuma
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Just found out about this forum, look forward to participating!
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Welcome Ghost Knapper! :)
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Thanks!
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Just found out about this forum, look forward to participating!
Well you have about 14 hours to submit your drill.
Lol, welcome aboard.
Zuma
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Well unfortunately I don't think I will get a drill done before the deadline, but I am excited for whats next!....When will the next style be decided?
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Where I come from the new guy on the block has to choose.
And then let the chips fall where they may.
Zuma
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Soon as my life slows down some,I won't be leaving you hanging so much Zoom.
Ghost we usually pick a new style every month then everybody who want to give it a try, throws one up.
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I know I'm a day late. Here's my attempt. (http://i1278.photobucket.com/albums/y506/Dontower/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-01/E586386C-BFDA-4117-8021-A972694D198A_zpsozh1ddnj.jpg) (http://s1278.photobucket.com/user/Dontower/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-01/E586386C-BFDA-4117-8021-A972694D198A_zpsozh1ddnj.jpg.html)
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I know I'm a day late. Here's my attempt. (http://i1278.photobucket.com/albums/y506/Dontower/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-01/E586386C-BFDA-4117-8021-A972694D198A_zpsozh1ddnj.jpg) (http://s1278.photobucket.com/user/Dontower/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-01/E586386C-BFDA-4117-8021-A972694D198A_zpsozh1ddnj.jpg.html)
Err let's see-- attempt-- ah "excellent sucsessful attempt"
Zuma
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If I were to suggest a style I am thinking a Hardin, its one Im not very proficient at and noticed that it has yet to be the "Point of the Month" at least Im pretty sure, 60+ pages was alot to check.
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Hardin sounds fine. I never took the time to check
what has been posted in the last sixty pages. lol
I think doing a point that hasn't been done in a while is fine too.
Zuma
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Yeah, Hardin's are challenging at least for me, the base and notchs either make or break them. I've got some earlier ones and will try and make a nice new one. Haven't done to much knapping lately Hunting and Trapping season fast approaching. Bob
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OK Here is my big fat ugly Hardin :o. I made about every mistake you can but I did not break it so it is a win win. So here is 6 inch's (my largest point to date) of Keokuk that did not want to play nice. I did not try to thin it any more because I thought I might break it due to a overshot in the middle.
Majuba Tom
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Took today and went out in the woods, debated between breaking some rock or hunting some squirrels, decided to try and make a hardin. This was my first true attempt at making one, and one of the few times I sat down with a particular rock and knew what I wanted before I even hit it.
(http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b604/joelbookhammer/_MG_98372_zps572562ed.jpg) (http://s1294.photobucket.com/user/joelbookhammer/media/_MG_98372_zps572562ed.jpg.html)
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Ooops...missed a few months. But, ooo Hardins. Sounds like I need to get chipping.
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Tom, nice Keokuk Hardin, Ghost looks like ya had a plan and it came together(Sweet). Here are a couple of my earlier attempts and if the weather comes in the way they are predicting I.ll try for a new one tommorrow. Bob
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Nice ones! What material is the last one made of?
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Flint Ridge heat treated.
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I wouldn't pretend that I could beat that one Ghost did, but if this is open to me, I'd like to make one and enter it? Are we judging on artistic/aesthetic value or on replication true to the type?
WA
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Chippin, no contest, each month a new point style is picked an we show each other our try at replicating it, just jump in and have some fun. Bob
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I'll try to turn one out. So far I have been making arrowheads with general shapes of "authentic" ones and have not made many efforts at replicating the flake patterns. This time I'll try to make the same flake pattern as seen on a point illustrated in Story in Stone by DC Waldorf. We will see whether I get it right.
WA
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Thanks for the complement Chippin.
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Heat treated coral. Rick B
(https://i.postimg.cc/02sgDmHQ/coral-hardin.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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Rick,
That is sweet! Is it translucent?
Zuma
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Thanks Zuma, it is translucent, pressure flakes real good and goes from a pink to a blue/green. Rick B
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Looks great! How does that material pressure flake?
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Well it took me several tries to get a thin base.
I think I lopped two. No biggie but it will be all
I can do this month. >:D >:D
Zuma
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POM December "hafted knife"
I cant be the only knapper planning to make up some knifes for gifts this year.
Lets see erm ;)
Hope everyones been well.
Aloha
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Fun Fun, recently was in Kona and saw some really nice obsidian blades hafted up in antler. Its been awhile since I made a knife, should be interesting!
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Took today and went out in the woods, debated between breaking some rock or hunting some squirrels, decided to try and make a hardin. This was my first true attempt at making one, and one of the few times I sat down with a particular rock and knew what I wanted before I even hit it.
(http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b604/joelbookhammer/_MG_98372_zps572562ed.jpg) (http://s1294.photobucket.com/user/joelbookhammer/media/_MG_98372_zps572562ed.jpg.html)
you are approaching Woody Blackwell levels of skill. My hats off to you Ghost knapper, whoever you are.
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he is a Alien.
shhhh
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Jesse, nice to see ya check in here and can't wait to see some of your knives. I have a bunch hafted up but need to make some new stuff, See if I got any big rock left over :o ;D Later Bob
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Not a hardin but a hafted one that's going out today
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I hope you write my address correctly Rog
Thanks, Zuma
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nice! Like the lines, handle is a good match for the blade.
Ive got two blades done but waiting for some banded slat to arrive in the mail to use for handles.
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I'm gonna have to try and jump on this one.
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Here is one I made awhile ago, I kept this one to try out for my personal skinning knife. Beaver season comes in day after Christmas and I plan on using this knife on the first beaver of the season. 5" Dacite blade, osage handle and deer rawhide lace wetted and shrunk then sealed with some spray Poly. Thanks for lookin, Bob
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nice knife Bob! i like the shape
beaver are a pain to skin, at least for me hah.
I think hafted knifes for primitive man were mostly carried as weapons. It was their claw, their tooth. Flakes and small spalls were mostly what would have been used to skin, cut, carve ext.. This is just my thoughts ;)
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Got two finished. and need to finish a few more.
Getting distracted by fishing hah!
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Jesse, excellent lookin knives, what are you using for handles, Antler and ____. Bob
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some soap stone i had laying around.
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Sweet, Jesse, Someone is going to be happy.
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Finished another
Osage, dogban cordage over fake pitch, mook blade.
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Sweet, Jesse. Do you still have my address? ;)
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That's sweet!!
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Thanks guys.
Sorry Eddie this ones going to the father in law.
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Just kiddin', Bud, . Nice to see you chipping again.
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Jesse, really like how you brought the osage and the dogbane together, That is a killer looking knife. Bob
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That is a real beauty, Jesse. That combination is outstanding. Cool to see a dagger like design, also.
Glad your back. :)
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Thank you.
Knapping skills are defiantly rusty, I also think a dagger shaped blade would have looked better with that osage handle.
I got one im working on now that im very pleased with so far and i've not even knapped the blade yet. Maybe a really nice handle will modivate me to take my time on the blade.
Weather forecast is calling for light and variable winds with wide spread haze this weekend so the ocean is calling me :)
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Last one:
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Good to see you back as its a loss for us when you don't knap! I think about you all the time as the big blade and the fluted point you gave me are top shelf in my display case. I hope one of those Great Whites doesn't decide to bite your little skiff in two! Joe
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Hey jumper. That is a beauty.
WA
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Jesse, nicely done. Bob
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Great looking knives.
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Thanks guys! Joe its good to hear from you Friend :)
Guy's get a chance follow this link to a short video i made of the knife.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVb7RiKCQFM
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Here's my entry, (I hate battin after Jesse!) ;)
Burlington chert with redwood burl (Sequoia) handle. Hafted with pitch and sinew.
(http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s670/cotton7611/5C907100-6969-45AE-BD7B-1D2F0BC46CFE_zpsulotajuu.jpg) (http://s1311.photobucket.com/user/cotton7611/media/5C907100-6969-45AE-BD7B-1D2F0BC46CFE_zpsulotajuu.jpg.html)
(http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s670/cotton7611/C270D1AD-8301-4999-ADFA-159D91BC8E75_zpss1py2kyx.jpg) (http://s1311.photobucket.com/user/cotton7611/media/C270D1AD-8301-4999-ADFA-159D91BC8E75_zpss1py2kyx.jpg.html)
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Mighty fine lookin work Mr. Scott......
DBar
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Oh man!
What a solid combination of blade and handle, very good lines.
Well done!
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Great work. Thank you for posting the eye candy.
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That's beautiful! :o It would fit in my war bag just fine. Joe
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Now there is a skinner. The handle and blade colors look great, very nice Scott.
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Hey Stringman, that is a nice knife, and what would you take for that piece of HCC?
WA
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Lol, thousand dollars! >:D
Oops, sorry admins.... 200 beaver pelts!!
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Oooh, that's a nice combination.
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Finally got a few to post.
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Here's a few I made for gifts this Christmas.
(http://i1278.photobucket.com/albums/y506/Dontower/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-01/021A7403-5D76-4848-8A30-5BC7B69A418B_zpsqkik6zew.jpg) (http://s1278.photobucket.com/user/Dontower/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-01/021A7403-5D76-4848-8A30-5BC7B69A418B_zpsqkik6zew.jpg.html)
(http://i1278.photobucket.com/albums/y506/Dontower/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-01/D38B4A89-798F-4E64-9C45-FFA4CDF91015_zpssvldtx8w.jpg) (http://s1278.photobucket.com/user/Dontower/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-01/D38B4A89-798F-4E64-9C45-FFA4CDF91015_zpssvldtx8w.jpg.html)
(http://i1278.photobucket.com/albums/y506/Dontower/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-01/B7E79737-8ED0-4FA4-9656-8D1BB47A32E3_zpsn6rprab6.jpg) (http://s1278.photobucket.com/user/Dontower/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-01/B7E79737-8ED0-4FA4-9656-8D1BB47A32E3_zpsn6rprab6.jpg.html)
(http://i1278.photobucket.com/albums/y506/Dontower/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-01/0E954F1D-1DF5-40E0-8068-7EFB330EAD3B_zps7mr5z3vs.jpg) (http://s1278.photobucket.com/user/Dontower/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-01/0E954F1D-1DF5-40E0-8068-7EFB330EAD3B_zps7mr5z3vs.jpg.html)
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I like those, Don. Especially the way you displayed them.
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A few from this fall.
Zuma
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nice knives,what's next?
Roger
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What about the Agee point to start the new year? It's a out right awesome point. It can be straight edged, or serrated. I found this picture on a web search.
(http://i1278.photobucket.com/albums/y506/Dontower/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-01/B2D587A4-BEF8-427E-AC8F-C76EF8949F81_zpsuu8sszie.jpg) (http://s1278.photobucket.com/user/Dontower/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-01/B2D587A4-BEF8-427E-AC8F-C76EF8949F81_zpsuu8sszie.jpg.html)
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OOOh... nice. :)
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Sounds good to me That candy looks yummy 8)
Zuma
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Nice choice tower. Those are gorgeous. I'll get started.
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OK here is my first attempt and first point of the new year. I will have to make a few more from different types of stone.
Tom
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Good choice Tower. I made my first one last night.
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I'll give it a shot. The hours I'm working 6 days a week will probably turn me into a Pick-up truck knapper.
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My knapping skills really began improving when I started using the F150 technique.
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Well, I'm in a F-150, hope it helps. ;D
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Here is my 2nd Agee point. it is made out of wounderstone. It is also the first one out of wounderstone that I have not broken. :)
Tom
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Here's my attempt at an Agee. Made the black obsidian first then fiqured out the base was wrong, knocked a spall off from a pc of Coastal plains and came up with this one, I like it a lot better anyways. Thanks for looking . Bob
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Nice ones Bob. Weather is nice here today so I made 2 more and took a picture of all 4 since we had some Sun light.
Enjoy, Tom
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Tom, lookin good, wished we had some sun here, -4 yesterday but a heat wave this morning 18. Bob
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It was a nice day for knappin' so I gave the agee a try .here's my two points worth
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Well here's the other one,one day I'll get the hang of this stuff.
Bone
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Sweet!
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Agee made by Kinley
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I apologize for the larger photo. I had to out smart my computer just to get it to allow me to post. Agee is made from Novaculite and measures 1 1/4" x 3/4".
Kinley
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Sweet Agee !
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Not certain how the picture will post. Tried my first Agee today, then started on a second but decided I wanted to keep it wider.
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Nc, is that some of the rock from kentucky that you and Bryan bring to the classic, lookin good. Bob
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Thanks Bob, it is the same rock. I have found many fractures and I suppose cortex pockets hidden inside but there are pieces that are just great and require no heating.... :D
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Come on folks lets get knapping! ;D I want to see more points in this topic next month. I figured I would slip another one in before the month ends. the first pic is what i started with. I was just playing with flakes. I also used a aluminum nail pressure flaker to do this point.
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A few on short notice lol
Zuma
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One more one before the first.
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New month, what's it going to be?
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Hows about a Snyders?
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Go for it ;D
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Keeping with in the rules.
Last out first in. LOL
Zuma
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Here's one of my Snyders ;D need to make a few more before month is over. Hoping to see bunch more from fellow knappers, Don't be shy jump in. Wish I still had this one, pc of white flint ridge. Bob
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Very nice Bob. I will need to find some time this week to make one...or two.
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The temp actually got above freezing so I took advantage and got another Snyders style point out of a pc of keokuk, had a pretty nice preform so thinned her down and got this one, I'm pretty happy with some nice flake scars and thin point. Thanks for lookin and lets see some others. Bob
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Here's one I made of some sort of Obsidian. This is the first real Snyder's I ever made. A long time back, I thought any tear dropped shaped corner notched point was a Snyders.
(http://i574.photobucket.com/albums/ss187/benhenry007/Snyders100114_zps9943464a.jpg)
Another image showing the transluscense
(http://i574.photobucket.com/albums/ss187/benhenry007/Snyders93014_zpsd7cc7acc.jpg)
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Dalton, very nice, I like how you didn't lose anything length on the tips of the ears ;D. Wow first Snyders, that think is dang near perfect. Again very nice. Bob
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Thanks! I have made plenty of other points and had to look at a great many Sniders before attempting one. Many of the old ones are quite large, so it makes you wonder what the Hopewell cultures did with them. They had bows, so what did they need with really large notched spear points?
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Knives
Zuma
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hello
I'm far from being a knapper but i'm an active lurker and this is one of my favorites sections of this site
May I suggest a point for the future?
I saw in another place some nice quad tip points (central asia). they looks pretty peculiar.
Would you like to try to reproduce them?
great Snyders btw.
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Those are some nice Snyder's. 8)
I hope mine qualify I have only made 2 to date. The first one I made at a October prospecting outing I was at. I found the stone on our club claim and made the Snyder from a small chip. I do not know what type of stone it is but it was hard as nails raw. The 2nd one I made today and is from a Keokuk spall.
Majuba Tom
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I have yet to make one this month but I wanted to post what would be my inspiration. I did not make these but they do belong to me. I was fortunate enough to watch the left one be made in front of me as a birthday present. And what a present it was.
(http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b604/joelbookhammer/snyders_zpsht3jw8ro.jpg) (http://s1294.photobucket.com/user/joelbookhammer/media/snyders_zpsht3jw8ro.jpg.html)
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Tom , Wow a couple of real nice Snyders for sure. Ghost as soon as I started to read your post I had a hunch that you were going to go with a couple of Ken's points. I wish that I had a couple of his beauty Snyder's. Bob
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Thanks Bob,
Ghost those are inspirational indeed. The dark one reminded me of camo type coloring. So would that make it a stealth point? ;)
Tom
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That rock sure is good for being stealthy. Finding a piece good enough to work can be a real challenge. :)
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Finally finished one up this morning. See if I can get another by the end of the day.
(http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b604/joelbookhammer/snyders2_zpsrhpvtsik.jpg) (http://s1294.photobucket.com/user/joelbookhammer/media/snyders2_zpsrhpvtsik.jpg.html)
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Wow! Nice job Ghost Knapper!
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Here is my Snyders. Made from novaculite with ABO tools. Snyders are my all-time favorite style, so this is first time doing point of the month.
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What are the rules for point of the month?
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Hopewell and Ghost Knapper, great looking points :) 8) Hopewell, No rules, everybody is a winner and no losers just show everyone the point that you are trying to replicate an give it your best. Somebody picks a new point first of each month, Oh maybe go back thru the prior months to what has been done recently so we repeat to much. Bob
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Ok, thanks!
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Awesome piece of novaculite. Using ABO tools is something that I wish to use more of this year. Really like your notches Hopewell.
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Those are awesome points Ghost and Hopewell! It is really amazing to see so many knappers making the same point and so far, I'd say our "interpretations" are pretty good.
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Thanks guys! Ghost, I make these often so I have practice. What material did you use on yours? Also, hi Ben!
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Agreed on our "interpretations". Hopewell Im not 100% sure what the material is. Maybe someone else can help us out on that one, it has some quartz veins running thru it which made for some interesting flake scars.
I wanted to have another done today and it turned out quite nicely. Hopefully I can get a photo that will do it justice. I had to finish it on my dining room floor (carpeted floor) so my time has been dedicated to getting everything cleaned up before the wife gets home. :)
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Ghost I hope you got the kitchen cleaned up in time and can't wait to see the point you made. Hopewell great point and thanks for posting.
Here is another one made from Keokuck. I opened the notches up on this one.
Tom
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My daughter traveled to Texas and met with Curt's Cherts and brought back a bucket of rocks. Figured I would try a snyder for the first point. Pictures are both sides.
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Very nice! While I have only been on one, road trips for rock are a blast.
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Silas, I always enjoy seeing your work, and it is even more impressive knowing that it is entirely Abo.
WA
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Well here they are, my two so far for the month.
(http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b604/joelbookhammer/snyders4_zpsijslc8mc.jpg) (http://s1294.photobucket.com/user/joelbookhammer/media/snyders4_zpsijslc8mc.jpg.html)
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Here's one made from some Nethers flint. Good ol' cell phone pic
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Another Snyder....Keokuk I believe.
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Where were all yous, when we were doin the Mustashed Simpson??
>:D Zuma
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Finally I got one o these done and ready to show.
(http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s670/cotton7611/CB80345C-81AC-4F1A-BF8F-8B229E18254F_zpspic7uboy.jpg) (http://s1311.photobucket.com/user/cotton7611/media/CB80345C-81AC-4F1A-BF8F-8B229E18254F_zpspic7uboy.jpg.html)
(http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s670/cotton7611/40D9F15A-67FA-4718-9C31-99DC8C8C6812_zpseyb7gjaq.jpg) (http://s1311.photobucket.com/user/cotton7611/media/40D9F15A-67FA-4718-9C31-99DC8C8C6812_zpseyb7gjaq.jpg.html)
You guys are killin 'em by the way! Nice work to all!
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Very Nice! Looks like it was a little "dry" on the one side but great work none the less.
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They all look great.
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I can't possibly addess everyone, but WOW! As a group, we all nailed this one and there were so many entries, all fantastic. We must be some sort of Hopewellian culture or something. Everyone mail me your points and I'll drive somewhere in the mid Mississippi and bury them all so that some day, some poor unspecting archeologist can find them and have his, or her, mind blown!
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So what shall be next?
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Too easy?
quad tips central asia (mongolia?) points
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Here is my first Snyders point. I have only been knapping since the end of August, so it took me three tries to get one. This one has a lot of problems, but I am pretty happy with it.
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I think that quad tip photo is the one I posted asking if anyone had seen this. A few said they had. You ask.... Too easy? I don't have a clue how you go about getting a tip like that, so I don't think it would be too easy. I would love to see what others come up with.
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Glis Glis, Not easy, most knappers on here work biface or 2 sides. The point you arre showing I believe the tip is 4 sided like a danish dagger handle. I only know of a few knappers who have accomplished danish dagger type knapping. Jesse you out there, how about a little help with this one, Easy no way. Just my .02 worth. Bob
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While tempting the trial and error involved (for myself) would most likely take longer than this month.
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Opss my bad
Sorry but in my ignorance I was driven by the beauty of this points
Feel free to choose other points. Really didnt had the intention to create embarass
anyway if someone would try to replicate one.... >:D
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Looking at those points, I think they might be tapered just on three sides. It would be nice to hold one. I'm going to give it a shot.
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Eddie, I looked at some on a web search and they looked three sided to me also. Just for discussion I am thinking to find a ridge running off a side or end and work back from there...any other ideas or thoughts?
I also noticed on the web search that not all the points on those tips, so I am thinking it takes a certain flake to produce it...interesting for sure..
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I guess I assumed 4 sided because of name "Quad Point". I need to look up some differnt pics, Bob
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I fear they are real quad (four sides-square in section) points.
Sorry couldnt find a better picture.
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I want to see the bottom.
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5 days into March and no decision....How about trying a March Clovis?
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I think getting back to the original, is a good idea. Plus it will challenge all us to flute.
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The quads are actually four sided points The late Phillip Churchhill could make them see thread at PP
http://paleoplanet69529.yuku.com/topic/38644/Mongolian-quad-tip-point?page=1
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Steve, thanks for the link, some excellent pics and as I thought alot more to it than it looks. :o Bob
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Not what I was hoping for but it is what it is until I do better... 8)
One side I took two flutes because the first was thin and off to the side a little. The opposite side the flute went sideways and made a circular hinge. They have to be straight in or its just not right.
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Here is my first attempt this month. Didn't turn out as planned, I missed both platforms and had to remove multiple from both sides.
(http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b604/joelbookhammer/_MG_0406_zpsaqtuce6o.jpg) (http://s1294.photobucket.com/user/joelbookhammer/media/_MG_0406_zpsaqtuce6o.jpg.html)(http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b604/joelbookhammer/_MG_0423_zpsowqhbcnx.jpg) (http://s1294.photobucket.com/user/joelbookhammer/media/_MG_0423_zpsowqhbcnx.jpg.html)(http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b604/joelbookhammer/_MG_0424_zpsjlb4fik7.jpg) (http://s1294.photobucket.com/user/joelbookhammer/media/_MG_0424_zpsjlb4fik7.jpg.html)
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Ghost Knapper, it still looks good to me!
Come on knappers, let's see the good and the bad...LOL
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I was half tempted to turn it into something else when the flutes didn't turn out. My ability to take a half decent photo really helps make it look better. :)
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Ghost, Yeah I am with you. I hate it when I have to take multiple flutes off. :)
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If only one would work, but apparently sometimes you need two. I have even saw two with one strike, one from the base and the other from the tip. :)
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Clovis points with multiple flutes are not only acceptable, they match the real things.
---http://lithiccastinglab.com/gallery-pages/clovispoints6easternpage1.htm
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jackcrafty, Thanks for the post. I have not seen the doubles before and I always thought the flutes went at least half way the length. Wrong on two counts. That's why I enjoy this forum so much. Great people with lots of knowledge.
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Yeah, the modern Clovis has not helped the situation. The real things are often surprisingly "crude" by comparison. ;)
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Thanks jackcrafty for those two posts. While I appreciate modern fluted points that are "stylized" I much prefer the real thing or more authentically made modern pieces. I was hoping to be able to be able to remove one flake from each face but I should of realized while reducing it that this particular rock wasn't going to allow for that, just didn't seem to want to play nice. I would be tickled to find in a field the one I made so it cant be that bad. :)
Lets see some more points of the month for this month! The weather is finally nice. :)
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I finally got one today ;D First side had a pretty shallow weak flute, set things up on second side an just missed going off the end :o Shaped her up a little and here she is. Not my best but I am happy just not very consistent yet. Hope ya like it and let's see some more. Bob
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Good job Bob!
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Yes Sir, that's a keeper....nice work Bob
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Well, the weather in Northern Illinois if finally getting nice again, so time to kick off the cobwebs. Wasn't brave enough to mess with any nice pieces of stone, so I clobbered out these from some cruddy little blocky chunks. Nothing nice like the killer ones you guys have been posting but I'll try a few bigger ones when the groove come back.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/wakolbinger/11062055_10153189980108524_8096048873624975900_n.jpg)
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Some nice flutes for ridding the cobwebs...nice mix of rock there also.
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Tried a few more today, Managed to get one for three :( The survior is pretty thick and flutes are kinda shallow, both went about 1/2 way. The dark georgetown one had a really wide flute but could not hold togeather the other one suvived the first flute almost to tip and broke on the second side. I had a small stack on this one and thought the flute would take it off, wrong went right around it. Probably can't see that in the pics. Anyways got one , Thanks for lookin and let's see yours. Bob
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Hell sounds like a typical day for me Bob. Lol. Too bad they break sometimes or the majority of the time, whichever the case. I'm home and have got the bug, hmmmm.
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Here is my Clovis point. First one I successfully finished. I have broken several. I put the flute in the first side, and did not have any problems. I tried the second flute , and it did not go anywhere. After the third attempt, I got it to go, but not very far. In preparing for that flute, I ended up taking quite a bit off the back of the point, and now the first flute looks a lot shorter. Oh well...got one finished, so I am happy. Its the first time I tried putting the flutes on a point, and I was shaking! Pretty nervous...
I enjoy the point of the months. this is only the second month I have tried but it gets me to try new points that I have not made before and really helps with my learning to knap. Looking forward to what next month brings!
Neal
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Bob and Patches, those points look good. Breaking Clovis seems to be a trend. Glad you guys have been posting, I have been down with the flu for over a week. Has not been fun, but liked getting on here to see what you guys have been doing...Thanks
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Bob: Seems you just keep getting better and better :) I have a collection of fluted points made by my old friend J. B. Sollberger. I can send a picture of them via email but not on the PA site. Pictures just don't send well with my smoke signal mentality! Joe
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Joe , I keep trying, ya know those super fluted Cumberlands that Jesse was making is my new goal. :o I think I better move over the stone quarry site 8)and set up camp, I'm breaking an awful lot of them :( Bob
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Bob: I have one of Jessie's fluted cumberlands in my display case and its fluted perfectly down the end to the very end. My opinion is the better the point you are attempting to flute and the very best set up of the nipple the better luck you will have! I look forward to seeing your knapping skills! Joe
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Yall inspired me to give a Clovis the go. I chose a spall of heated landscape stone. I didn't have much bigger piece to begin with. It was a river cobble that had a bashed up exterior. Some of that still appears in stone. Ill start with a bigger piece next time so I can get it more uniform next time.
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I went after this rootbeer, with all abo. I ended up with a cricket killer. But its a clovis. One side fluted well and the other did not. it was hard to hold the thing.
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sorry i posted it without pics. :o
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Great clovis's. I still have not had a clovis attempt survive. How ever my last few attempts have been closer each time. I think next time I will go for a cricket killer and then work my way up. :o Little steps he he.
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I fiqured I would give it one more try for this month ;D. I went to a differnt type of rock to see if that would change my luck, I got a nice spall off from a big pc of Rootbeer that I had and came up with this one, a little thicker than I like but I got 2 fair flutes and she held togeather. About 4" long and both flutes went just over half way. Sure glad March isn't 2 weeks longer I would be out of rock. Thanks for lookin. Bob
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Very nice!
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good looking point and must be a great satisfaction to have one turn out so well! Joe
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Great flutes, there so long it almost looks like a Folsum. 8)
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That's the way to stay after it. Looks Great Bob..I'm envious!
.I went through the flu and immediately had to start painting the house (Honey Do's).
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Nice ones to wrap up the month fellers :).
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Hi all,
New to the forum but how about a fluted crowfield for April?
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Clewis, sounds good to me, and everybody should be warmed up with the prior month of fluting :o :o How do the rest of ya's feel ? Bob
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I'll attemt one in the manana :).
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what the heck is a fluted crowfield ?
roger
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I tried to google it and could not get anything to come up. Have not looked in Overstreet yet. Does anyone have a picture? I will try it if I can find out what it is.
Neal
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In overstreet: NE, late paleo. 11,000 - 10,000 BP. Right between cumberland and clovis. Broadest point is toward the tip end, fluted, concave base. Cross section often as thin as Folsom, uh oh!
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I gave the fluted Crowfield a shot this morning. One side fluted decent and the other went a little sideways...It's a learning curve for certain..
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Sweet! Ill have to give it a try later today, thanks for posting. By far among my favourite point types :D
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I will get started this weekend. Should be able to make one byt he end of the month that I have not broke! :)
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Hammered out a blank on lunch, see if I cant get it done this evening. Left a lot of room at the base to set up my flutes.
Clewis
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Hey Nc, great lookin crowfield, Concave your base a little and will look just like the one in the Overstreet's. Nice job, I broke my first one, Was fightin a crack in one side but got greedy and tryed to flute one when I knew dang well it wasn't go into work. Why would I do that? :o :o :( Bob
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These things are tougher than I thought. I'm not going to waste any more rocks till I learn how to flute. Good idea clewis on the base, I tried that too. Goodun nc.
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Paul, looks like some nice flutes to me, and deffently harder than they appear.
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Heck yes Cowboy, I'm liking those..fluting is an art.
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Yeesh, cowboy. Ridiculous work as usual...
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Here's a dinky-doodle one I made today from some of Pappy's 'pappyite' he had sent to cowboy, who in turn sent some to me. Looking at it now I should have made the base sides even longer but reducing so much of the cutting edge isn't in my nature apparently. ::)
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/wakolbinger/IMG_7980.jpg)
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/wakolbinger/IMG_7981.jpg)
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/wakolbinger/IMG_7983.jpg)
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Looks great Bowmo!
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Fluting is in your nature...nicely done
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turned out really nice bowmo! Wish i had as much luck with the flutes..
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The more I look at yours cowboy and the pictures on google I hate the shape I made it. Haha. I like the material tho. Grainy but easy to flake. As for the fluting, bah...I just end up with chunky bases a lot and get forced to to flute them whether I wanted to or not, so the practice was not intentional. Besides I rarely even isolate...just make a continuous platform and swing that antler as quick as I can.
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Here is my attempt. ;) It took multiple attempts at fluting with indirect. Not to bad for my first one. I will have to make a few more. The next one I will try to put it on a diet.
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That is not bad! Very good as a matter of fact :). I've always had indirect stored in the memory banks, may give her a whirl.
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I really like that one Tom! Thin and thick in all the right places if you ask me!
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I am not sure but I think the Crowfield may originate in
eastern Pennsylvania.
Heres is one in jasper.
Zuma
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Man, so far I like everyone's a lot more than mine. I guess I need to make more....aaaand perhaps actually look at a picture of one while working on them. ::)
Here's some more dinky doodle ones.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/wakolbinger/IMG_8027.jpg)
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Man, so far I like everyone's a lot more than mine. I guess I need to make more....aaaand perhaps actually look at a picture of one while working on them. ::)
Here's some more dinky doodle ones.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/wakolbinger/IMG_8027.jpg)
LOL, don,t be so harsh on yourself.
Your points are most likely well within the Crowfield culture.
Just think that a big one was only 2.5 inches and with resharpening and all---
Zuma
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Is that one authentic Zuma? I like them dinky doodles bowmo, and I gotta get some of that rock ;).
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Here's my poor contributions.
(http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s670/cotton7611/1AA1A63F-8CC2-4EC1-83B1-F462BA0D7D6C_zpsuoiq8qpi.jpg) (http://s1311.photobucket.com/user/cotton7611/media/1AA1A63F-8CC2-4EC1-83B1-F462BA0D7D6C_zpsuoiq8qpi.jpg.html)
(http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s670/cotton7611/540F60D8-96AE-4C60-B4A2-7585BD8D5167_zpscjtyl7gj.jpg) (http://s1311.photobucket.com/user/cotton7611/media/540F60D8-96AE-4C60-B4A2-7585BD8D5167_zpscjtyl7gj.jpg.html)
(http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s670/cotton7611/DE278D96-6DE1-4513-AF17-CBDF2F618966_zpslmjc2ifl.jpg) (http://s1311.photobucket.com/user/cotton7611/media/DE278D96-6DE1-4513-AF17-CBDF2F618966_zpslmjc2ifl.jpg.html)
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Man look at that material! I can't wait to get my hands on some if that. Nice flaking on that one.
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Nice fluting Scott! Man your overstreet gets the same treatment as mine I see, rocks holding it open.
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I really dig that middle one stringman!
Had to fix the shape of that first one, and also just knocked out this dacite one.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/wakolbinger/IMG_8031.jpg)
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Yessir, Paul, that's been one of my very best trades I made here on PA and I can't even remember who it came from. :-\
Thanks Nate and bowmo. Those are 2 fine examples!
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Wow, you guys are kill'em ;D I hate to even show my attempts, had a fair one going with the ridge just before it gave up the ghost, my other attempt is a pc of Texas :( I need to try a few more. Bob
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Perfect example of a reverse hinge! Thanks for showing that, Bob. >:D
The TX rock looks good. Man those flutes can be tricky!
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Hey, I really dig that one on the right bob!
I just have one more for today...
Deeefinitely not made from a little piece of Flint Ridge I picked up in the woods there and brought home and heated ::)
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/wakolbinger/IMG_8040.jpg)
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You guys are awesome...well done
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You guys are going crazy with these things! All looking good cept for that reverse hinge ::). I had to quit wasting rocks and move on to something easy, like knives.
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Black and shiny like a crow.
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Here is a little one. It might be good for a mighty sparrow hunter. :D
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Not a Crowfield, but some fluting on various points. The Clovis style is a grainy type rock, but it works well.
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Bunch of nice fluting right there guys! Purty materials too.
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Lookin good boys.
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What kind of rock is that Majuba? I'm liking it.
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What kind of rock is that Majuba? I'm liking it.
I wish I knew cowboy. I was given some random rocks and that was in the mix. I think I have 2 more small rocks that might be the same material. I will test them and if they work the same I will post a picture. It worked real easy raw.
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Some kind of jasper I spose. I know I've got plenty of mystery rocks buried in the pile somewhere, may be time to go dig :).
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Here is the pictures of the rock. I would guess a Jasper. The out side crust is strange sand and pebbles. Anyone want to guess at what this rock would be called.
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Looks a lot like petrified forest. Don't know about that cortex though.
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My thoughts were a petrified wood also. It works similar to Sonora flint.
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So what you guys thinkin'? Cumberlands next? Hahaha...I kid I kid :laugh:
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Has Sloan Dalton been done lately?
WA
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Are Sloan Dalton's fluted?
Looked at some web photos and some looked like they are..
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Nah, most just have long patterned base flakes that match the rest of face flaking.
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A few of them have basal thinning flakes done with pressure. They are all done/finished with pressure flakes, and they are patterned.
http://lithiccastinglab.com/gallery-pages/2000septsloansitedaltons.htm
http://www.primtech.net/sloan/sloan18r1.html
http://www.arrowheadology.com/forums/arrowheads-indian-artifacts/46920-beast-dalton-sloan-10-5-incher.html
WA
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So far all my attempts have flopped. I'm still working on getting one put up. Are any of you having any luck?
WA
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Got a chance to hit a couple tonigt, So here is my attempt for the Sloan Dalton, this pc is some coastal plains that I had. Not sure if I got the Sloan Dalton look ??? need to try and make another one before month ends, Thanks for lookin Bob
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Man that coastal plains is some sweet stuff. I like the look of that guy.
I blanked this out with antler a week or two ago but that's as far as I got.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/wakolbinger/11229383_10153330023423524_2770295240943646825_n.jpg)
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Bob, that is a nice Dalton, one to be proud of. I'm no authority on replications, but I am going for a little different look myself. If you review the Sloans that are posted on the internet, there is a lot of variety among them, and I'm not sure whether any one set of characteristics could be called "the Sloan Dalton". Since we are not before a panel of judges, I think we should give it a try as we see it or enjoy it and let that be good.
Somebody who knows more than I do about them might want to chime in with characteristics that are "typical", just for our curiosity and information. If everybody tries to replicate some of the specific Sloans, we may be a long time seeing anything here.
Replicating some of the points that have been found can be exceptionally difficult, but let's all give this a try.
WA
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Daltons usually start out fat and get skinny over time. Flaking is usually neat and orderly in the beginning and then gets more random after each re-sharpening. There are also serrated varieties.
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Thanks Patrick.
WA
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For those that don't have an overstreet guide, here's what I consider the most sloany Sloan Dalton shape. Along with the blank I started for this but haven't finished.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/wakolbinger/11262442_10153331568733524_5238179743713741216_n.jpg)
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Well I hope one of these qualifies. LOL >:D
They are not as easy as they look.
Zuma
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Good lookin points Zuma, Here's a couple more I finished today. One is raw Texas and the other heated, Bob
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You guys are pumpin em out. Looking good! I'm gonna start bustin rocks again in next few days. Chomping at the bit.
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Jack-- are those authentic Daltons or your work?
Wave, looks like you have a beauty in the works.
Bob, some nice work. I know how tough that Flint River is.
Always some good candy here.
Zuma
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All the Dalton pictures I posted are the real deal. :)
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All the Dalton pictures I posted are the real deal. :)
Ah, thanks Patrick. At least we hope they are!
Dalton/ Hardaway are my favorite projectile enigmas.
For some reason I think there are way to many huge
pristine Daltons running around for that era.
Although they do originate right where some of the best
material is found. Do you know of a Texas equivalent?
Zuma
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Zuma, the pictures came from lithiccastinglab and arrowheadology. I wish I could personally find some, but that option is out of my league right now. ;D There are certainly a lot of very large Daltons being shown, and I don't trust them all, that's for sure. The only ones I trust are from the caches found in Missouri. The picture below is the cache of 13 points from Scott County, MO. The first two pictures above (in reply #1134) are from that cache.
source: ---http://www.lithiccastinglab.com/gallery-pages/2007septemberdaltoncachepage1.htm
Texas has Daltons and similar types like Golondrina and Barber. They are generally smaller than the Missouri types. I don't have many pictures of Texas Daltons that I trust but there's a couple under the cache picture.
source: ---http://www.arrowheadology.com/forums/todays-finds-situ/53154-edwards-dalton-classic-5-15-2015-a.html
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Patrick, always a pleasure to learn so much.
Thanka lot for taking the time.
Heres a salamander agate, table top glass Dalton.
lol Zuma
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Keep the good looking stuff coming.
WA
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Well, here's my feeble attempt from today, and two others dinkers I made after it. I couldn't seem to pattern it to save my life, not with out losing all my width anyway. Probably should have heated it, that or my Ishi stick game was off today. At least the size is about right at 5 and half inches long.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/wakolbinger/11109261_10153337750823524_1163463167070934870_n.jpg)
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/wakolbinger/11263091_10153337748803524_1752502545031938021_n.jpg)
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Not to worry Bo,
There are only a few who can make the type
Daltons Patrick posted. Not sure there were to many
created by aboriginals. I think what we are doing
exceeds at least the normal run of the mill Dalton.
Don't stop trying as they are really a thing of beauty.
Zuma
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Just one more picture from the actual Sloan site in Arkansas. You will notice that the "fancy" flaking is only on one side of each face (left). This is definitely much easier to accomplish than trying to put the fancy flaking on both sides of each face and is completely authentic. I think I'm going to attempt one of these...
source: ---http://www.primtech.net/sloan/sloan18r4.html
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This was my favorite. Ain't worth a crap at making the bases just right but hell I guess I'll take it :). Piece of keokuk.
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Posting from phone. My attempt at a Dalton.
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Lookin' real good! :)
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I had a little time tonight too.
(http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s670/cotton7611/833D78F4-ECAC-464F-9F28-872D395A8A39_zpsdkbczkow.jpg) (http://s1311.photobucket.com/user/cotton7611/media/833D78F4-ECAC-464F-9F28-872D395A8A39_zpsdkbczkow.jpg.html)
(http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s670/cotton7611/17270D51-F5B9-44D4-BABE-F9AE42B2F5AE_zpsgrjpap8n.jpg) (http://s1311.photobucket.com/user/cotton7611/media/17270D51-F5B9-44D4-BABE-F9AE42B2F5AE_zpsgrjpap8n.jpg.html)
(http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s670/cotton7611/6E9F965A-669F-4BE2-B802-B6676DE677CA_zpsboeelrl5.jpg) (http://s1311.photobucket.com/user/cotton7611/media/6E9F965A-669F-4BE2-B802-B6676DE677CA_zpsboeelrl5.jpg.html)
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Wow! Everybody at once now ;D. Good stuff!
Looking at a lot of those examples Patrick, it looks like; just make an unfluted clovis, don't pick your deltas, grind the sides of the base good, voila!
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Very nice examples guys.
Cowboy, I would have always thought that Clovis folks
just morphed into the Dalton tradition.
Problem is-- There is no archaeological evidence for it.
Well that I can find.
Really weird. BTW Sloan is/was the name of the property owner
where the dig was. They most likely picked the best pieces
and named them after Mr. Sloan.
Zuma
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I think I found out why Dalton abandoned the flute.
>:D >:D Zuma
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Maybe a Mr. Clovis knapper looked at the point and knew it wouldn't flute correctly and handed it to Mr. Dalton to finish... :o
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My last point is a Dalton made from NC Rhyolite. I am very happy with it, being made of from Rhyolite...
The circular positioned points have been made in the last few months. Crowfields,Clovis and Dalton made from Dacite,Tx Rootbeer,Georgetown,Novaculite and Rhyolite
Lyman
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Nice all around Lyman!
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Yes sir. You have really amped up your knapping.
Nice assortment. I know how tough that Rhyolite is.
Zuma
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Just looking at that rock makes my hands and wrists ache. Nice collection!
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I have made some pretty nice Daltons, but my attempts at the Sloan have not been up to what I was trying to do. The last one has been my best attempt at the style, but there are several things wrong with it.
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They look so simple but so hard to master. Final shape just gives me fits! That's a nice set, I'm kinda partial to that last one too.
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That last one was made from raw Burlington. It is a beast to produce a clean pattern on, but the Native Americans did it well.
WA
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Maaaaaan the middle one is a killer material! Lose look great!
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sooooo whats the new point, how about a Gunther their nice and easy >:D
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Near half the month gone. Sloan must have kicked
butt last month.I know it did mine>:D
Zuma
BTW Chip, awsome flaking
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I am out of big flint.
Hardaway/ Daltons are not to big and can
be made from spalls from bigger blades.
Here's some. Mostly looking resharpened
as they are found most often.
Any takers?
Zuma
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That sounds good to me
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Here is my best effort on a Gunther. It has a pretty good shape, but it is probably too big for the type.
WA
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Well i better get mine finished its almost the end of the month
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(http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/tt320/bubncheryl/knapping/20150626_130329_zpsylr1xqga.jpg) (http://s623.photobucket.com/user/bubncheryl/media/knapping/20150626_130329_zpsylr1xqga.jpg.html)here's one i made from some scrap at work today
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Any one want to do an eccentric this month, total free form might be fun
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Sure! This oughta be interesting.
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Excellent choice!!
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Got a chance to make an eccentric today, reminds me of one that I've seen before, and I made the white wolf before when we did eccentrics, Hey just release the mind and let go ;D Lets see your dreams this month. Bob
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Cool piece bob I'm still working on mine but I'll have one before Aug :o
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I read all of the posts on this topic and all I can say is................ you guys are amazing in what you can do with rock!
DBar
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Wooooo! Nice one bob.
Zuma
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(http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/tt320/bubncheryl/Mobile%20Uploads/20150730_161729-1_zpsg3tovqkx.jpg) (http://s623.photobucket.com/user/bubncheryl/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20150730_161729-1_zpsg3tovqkx.jpg.html)
(http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/tt320/bubncheryl/Mobile%20Uploads/20150730_161812-1_zps4fxn587a.jpg) (http://s623.photobucket.com/user/bubncheryl/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20150730_161812-1_zps4fxn587a.jpg.html)
Here's my point got it just in time, it's suppose to be an eagle be gentle😁
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Bubby, I can see the Eagle and looks real good, Nice. Bob
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looks good Bub!
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Nice finish for the month bub.
Zuma
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Point of the month .... What about posting the point you like toke, or your best point?
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Point of the month .... What about posting the point you like toke, or your best point?
text talk?? I like best point.
Zuma
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Hope fully my best point hasn't been made yet :o ;D Bob
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Hey what's up with this thread?
last post from september ?!?
I'll try to take you out from hibernation with this exotic challange
Flint Arrowheads from Volongo CR Italy burial. 2900-2500 B.C. (and stone axe and copper knife)
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Looks a lot like a Perdiz point. I'm game.
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You sure that copper is not a spearhead? Those are awesome artifacts!
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You sure that copper is not a spearhead
it was what I though too at first sight but the official version is that it was a knife (a dagger could be a better translation). just translated the text
http://www.beniculturali.it/mibac/export/MiBAC/sito-MiBAC/Menu-Utility/Immagine/index.html_648699097.html
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Due to the great participation >:D I feel obliged to find and share more informations
In a document they say the dagger is cm 14 ½ long with a base of 6 cm.
We can guesstimate the lenght of the arrowheads at about 7 cm.
they are flaked both sides
the axe in made of diorite
here a long article in italian (many interesting pictures) on this artifacts and other from 2 nearby burials
http://www.academia.edu/8890146/Le_necropoli_di_Remedello_Volongo_e_Cumarola_nuovi_aggiornamenti
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This used to be the best thread in knapping. :)
Sure, it's a place to show off your skill.
But more than that it is imo a terrific way to sharpen that skill.
Being regulated to produce a particular point is way more
challenging than just settling for what ever comes out.
I had fun and learned a lot. A real lot.
We still have time to do December. Want to learn?
I suggest a Morrow Mt. It's pretty easy and Glis's drawing above
should work for a model.
Zuma
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i fear i was the one who killed it :o :o
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You didn't kill it glis, it ebbs and flows depending on interest and activity levels. I'm starting to sit down at the bench more lately and wouldn't mind resurrecting this monthly challenge also. Can I suggest a more advance level point be chosen as well?
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X2 what Scott said Glis.
I have no problem with a harder point
but was honestly hoping for a lot of the newer
members to get involved. Hence, a graduation from
less difficult to more advanced.
No matter it's all up to a vote. Thanks for replies.
Zuma
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Sure, let's have both. Beginner and advanced.
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Be fun to give it another go...so point choice?
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This was one of my favorite places and have always tried to participate, We need participation from all the knappers, so let's do this :D :D, So what are the points for this month?
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Still hunting season here.
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How bout a Nebo hill? That might work for both actually as the more advance should be able to make this one look amazing!
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pic
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I am good with whatever you all decide 8)
Eddie you have till the end of the month >:D
But you could vote tonight :laugh:
Hoping to hear from some newer folks too :)
We are picking two? correct?
Zuma
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What's a Nebo Hill?
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I'd give it a try as a beginner but I don't have any point I.D. Books. Eddie I'm glad you don't know what a Nebo Hill is. It gave me the motivation to try this.
Bjrogg
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I'll try to get a pic in the morning. Basically an agate basin type with parallel sides and fine, symmetrical flaking.
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This is the best pic I found. Not necessarily what I had in my head, so we can go with it or something else.
(http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s670/cotton7611/AF658256-1584-44A3-8B3D-D265C46920B1_zps9a97bvgv.jpeg) (http://s1311.photobucket.com/user/cotton7611/media/AF658256-1584-44A3-8B3D-D265C46920B1_zps9a97bvgv.jpeg.html)
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That looks a lot like the Angostura point here in TX.
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Oh good I could do that one. ???
I am glad it's not the old Eden point. :)
They look like eastern Gillfords
That would be a challaege.
Of course the photos are abo points??
Zuma
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Yes they are relics found in Nebo hill MO I believe
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Yes they are relics found in Nebo hill MO I believe
Well, It's two for Nebo Hill. Also good photo String
Zuma
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Cool, I'm good with thick points.
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Cool, I'm good with thick points.
LOL I was thinking the same thing. :laugh:
The hardest part for String will be keeping them fat.
He makes the slickest thin points.
No struggle for me O:)
Zuma
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Not sure if Don can get one that thin, either.
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I'm not a knapper, but your messing with Tower aren't you???...........:)
DBar
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Jesse showed us how to get a nice thick preform with a perfect median ridge just before he would flute it from end to end on both sides, ;D " Bob, use your big pressure flaker" :o Sure wished he would check in here once an while. Bob
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I took a stab at one tonight. Texas rock
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That looks nicer than the pictures 1442. Nice job
Bjrogg
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Nice un, Forty-two!
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Thanks! It was fun. A bit different and took two and a half tries to get one from between cracks in the stone.
the shape is modeled after the examples in Overstreet guide and narrower than the ones above.
I'm gonna do another one and try to keep it a bit wider in the middle this time.
Sure glad POM is active again.
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Way to go 1442 8)
Let the games begin :laugh:
Zuma
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1442, great lookin replica, Here is my attempt, I keep wanting to refine, hard to know when to quit . Anyways here is a pc of west Texas flint and my try for now, Sure glad to see POM up again , one of my favorite sites. Thanks for lookin and comments welcome. Bob
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Those are looking great!!
Hard to make them fat...who would have thought??
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I lost lights in my workshop so I'm gonna have to wait to get in the knapping pit. You folks aren't wasting any time I see! Looks good bob.
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I'm not a knapper, but your messing with Tower aren't you???...........:)
DBar
I meant to say, that thick ;Dand, yea, I was messing with Tower.
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That looks great outback
I have a lot of trouble on the last pass not getting little step fractures.
I made this one tonight and had to go around it with pressure just to clean up the edges.
That first one I made was all direct percussion.
Did the originals have pressure flaking?
Central texas rock
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Good POMs Bob and 1442 :)
I got a couple raw. One NC rhyolite
and one Flint River. Cause that's all I have left. >:D
Zuma
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Some rough weather outside today. Maybe I can catch a break later .... maybe break some rock
Here one kinda like it. It's keokuck I left a lil meat on it
(http://i1278.photobucket.com/albums/y506/Dontower/Mobile%20Uploads/8EF38322-024C-4F3B-9979-682EF8E859B3_zpsqrfyfsnc.jpg) (http://s1278.photobucket.com/user/Dontower/media/Mobile%20Uploads/8EF38322-024C-4F3B-9979-682EF8E859B3_zpsqrfyfsnc.jpg.html)
(http://i1278.photobucket.com/albums/y506/Dontower/Mobile%20Uploads/21545841-699A-455F-91D9-F6EFA16F1F34_zpslodo19gq.jpg) (http://s1278.photobucket.com/user/Dontower/media/Mobile%20Uploads/21545841-699A-455F-91D9-F6EFA16F1F34_zpslodo19gq.jpg.html)
(http://i1278.photobucket.com/albums/y506/Dontower/Mobile%20Uploads/694E6335-CCA0-4E59-B4E8-A9F5C8F75584_zpsyddgcfmc.jpg) (http://s1278.photobucket.com/user/Dontower/media/Mobile%20Uploads/694E6335-CCA0-4E59-B4E8-A9F5C8F75584_zpsyddgcfmc.jpg.html)
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I quit for today >:(
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Yep, 3 strikes and your out >:(Been there before Eddie , and usually thinkin about something else I should be doing. Bob
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Yea, Bob, time to work on the bow. I was whining with the long one and down right ready to cry when I got the Ryolite real thin.
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Decided to give it a try. Do not have any large spalls to play with. You guys have posted some great points. Eddie, I can only say I have been there more times than I like.
Pictures I looked at on the web looked like thinner bases with a heavy middle so that's what I tried for. Hope ya like it.
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Don, what do you call "extra meat"
Nice one Lyman!
I feel for ya Eddie. :-\
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Lyman, I think you nailed it, I have never seen a Nebo but I think they should look just like yours at least in my mind. Bob
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Couldn't help myself and climbed back on that horse. :)
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Nice redemption points. Bob
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I made another one too.
Was just gonna make a biace from this novaculite flake, but it got real narrow and started looking like a nebo hill
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Nailed that one.
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1442, That looks really nice....
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There are some really nice points being turned out here.
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Did everybody quit?
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Heck no, I have another Christmas party tomorrow! >:D
Zuma
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Made this un a week ago, but hadn't posted it here yet. Let it be understood, I hate fat points! ;D
(http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s670/cotton7611/83594C5E-451D-4589-BFF8-110FCCDDB43D_zpsxjbzlpso.jpg) (http://s1311.photobucket.com/user/cotton7611/media/83594C5E-451D-4589-BFF8-110FCCDDB43D_zpsxjbzlpso.jpg.html)
(http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s670/cotton7611/0F2119D4-F020-493B-9D29-0DB53F8FDCA3_zps7labx6v8.jpg) (http://s1311.photobucket.com/user/cotton7611/media/0F2119D4-F020-493B-9D29-0DB53F8FDCA3_zps7labx6v8.jpg.html)
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Nice one!
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Scott you might not like fat points but I think you nailed that one.
Bjrogg
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Nice point!
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Here's mine.
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Very Nebo Hillish. :)
The red Diamond is pretty cool too. 8)
Zuma
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In spirit of the Christmas Holidays, how about a Pine Tree Point up next?
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Very nice, Steve. I think you got that one right down to the thin base.
In spirit of the Christmas Holidays, how about a Pine Tree Point up next?
Man,,, I hate those,,,lets do it.
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Nice one Steve!
Pine tree it is.
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Awsome job on that nebo.
I'm excited to do a pinetree. Like a Nebo Hill, I never made one before and this is good motivation to do so.
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And that's what this is all about. Challenging ourselves to try new types and new techniques.
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Thanks guys. I'm psyched to take on the pine tree. Never made one and been meaning to...
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This point of the month sounds fun. So every month you choose a style of point and then everybody posts their point of the month. I will have to try my hand at it.
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Yep, super simple. Not competitive, just for fun. Join in, all are welcome.
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No completion just give us your best and have fun with it. Some of you newbies and oldies need to jump in. Bob
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My pine tree is hanging upside down on a cedar tree. Merry Christmas to all and a Very Happy Healthy New Year.
Bjrogg
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That is a beautiful pinetree point. Looks like an amber glass. I think everyone has beenbusy with Christmas. Hope to get one made and posted soon.
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Thanks NC, I've been busy with Christmas too. Kinda cheated with this one it's what I used for my Christmas cards last year. It is amber glass from a church wine bottle thought it fit the Christmas theme pretty good
Bjrogg
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My wife is reading her new Christmas books so I decideded to try the pinetree. This is made with stone and bone only so it is as good as I can do for now.
Lets see some Pinetrees guys and gals!!!
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Nice pine tree NC
Bjrogg
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I took a stab at one with a gravel biface I heat treated
Serations didn't turn out like I wanted them exactly but this is a fun point to make and I can't wait to make another one with refined serations
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Very nice. A deer killer for sure.
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That's a real nice job 1442.
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I like the point and serrations. I've got mine thinned down and at preform stage. Just have to find time to finish it, now.
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Looks great to me....I'm wanting to do another myself..
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I want to make another one too,
A matching set of six would be cool
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I made a sapling
heated gravel
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I really like that one 1442.
Bjrogg
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Wow, some terrific submissions.
A great way to start the new year. :)
Zuma
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Better late than never :o
Or maybe Pine Tree is for Jan ???
Who knows anymore :laugh:
Zuma
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It must be January pine don't see any decorations on it. That one looks good enough it doesn't need any.👍
Bjrogg
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Them look real good Zuma.
I like how you did them.
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Hey, those pines are looking good.
Zuma, I think the confusion on the Pinetree and January is my fault. Got a little anxious and started it a little early for Christmas.....Plenty of time left to make a few more....:-)
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Thanks BJ, 1442. NC, :)
I am just tickled and lucky enough to participate in a favorite thread
of mine. Totally no problem Lyman I was just wondering if Jan was going to be a new
type and new vote? I was hoping for a less demanding type so all the other members
starting out could get into it also. For a while last month I thought we were going to do
one for old salts and one for less experienced members. Sort of, Points of the Month LOL.
Zuma
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I re sharpened a St. Charles to look like a pine tree >:D
Zuma
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Nice Zuma I think I see a present for me under that tree
Bjrogg
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Don , looks like ya found ya a pinetree in some of Eric's Chigger Creek or is it Chigger Wood. Nice. Bob
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Well, here's mine. Definitely out of my comfort zone. Really not happy with the serrations but, oh well, maybe next time.
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Looks good to me. I'm bettin it gets used on a piggy!
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Thanks, Scott, it would hurt something for sure.
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Here piggy piggy piggy, I like it Eddie
Bjrogg
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Thank you.
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Yep, looks good...
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looks good to me too
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Thought I better get going on my POM, and try and fire some of you other guys up. I am going to try and raise the bar on this one. It isn't a Shannon Pinetree but I am pretty happy with it. Thanks for lookin and let's see some of you other guys POM. Bob
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I like that one outback. I like your pressure flaker handle to. Looks like made from brass fittings. Is it a horse shoe nail?
Bjrogg
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Bjrogg, I use it for narrow entry notchs and clean up on all the pointy things. 4 inch brass nipple, air barb, cap, and pc of arrow shaft to hold your horseshoe nail from backing up, Oh pc of hose for your handle. I copied it off from somebody else :o Good for picking boogers (fingernail hinges) :o ;D Bob
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Thanks outback. I just put a handle on a horse shoe nail. Want it for same use. Didn't get to try it yet with handle. Used it a little bit with out handle. If my handle doesn't work I'll have to remember yours
Bjrogg
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I made this one a couple weeks ago. I hope to get another made soon, but this will serve till then. Made from Kaloin.
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Scott, real nice, that is what I was shooting for on the barbs. I think I spaced mine out to much :( Bob
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Those look great, Bob and Scott.
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Real nice Scott
Bjrogg
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Well it's not that great. Kind of a snoopy white pine tree Zuma. I told you I'd post it if I screwed it up here it is.
Bjrogg
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Hello anybody out there? Seems like nobody remembers to look here.lol.
Bjrogg
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bjrogg, nice white pine, Novaculite? I like it. Bob
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Thank Outback yes it's from that preform I posted. It turned out a little clunky but it is good and sharp. It's starting to grow on me. I had to narrow it up. I had serrations to close together at first. It was a fun project though
Bjrogg
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Nice work, doesn't look thick to me.
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Thanks NC, I guess I just got bummed because I had such a nice wide preform with no steps. I do like this one though the more I look at it
Bjrogg
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These points are looking really nice. Way to go guys. I've got to sit my butt down and get going on mine. Been busy with projects.
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Well it's not that great. Kind of a snoopy white pine tree Zuma. I told you I'd post it if I screwed it up here it is.
Bjrogg
BJ, you know I was rooting for ya :D
That is a c ool White Pine 8)
Zuma
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Thanks Zuma, iknow you were. It wasn't what I was seeing for that preform but honestly I'm really liking it now. It was fun making it. What's up for next month?
Bjrogg
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Better late than never. Here is my first attempt at a Pine tree point. The very end is mess up a bit but I was happy with how it turned out. I still have a long way to go to be a good knapper, but I am enjoying the journey!
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Nice point patches your doing great. It's is a fascinating and sometimes frustrating hobby just keep at it and relish your rewards.
Bjrogg
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Lookin real good Patches. :)
This is the best way to learn.
Zuma
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Looks good to me!!
Not many days left in this month...
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BJ and patches they both look good. It's not an easy point to replicate.
I'd like to see a real, native made one.
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Under the wire...here's mine.
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Good looking tree Parnell
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Steve, looks good an on time :o Bob
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Looks like a dandy. Nice looking stone to
Bjrogg
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I'm cutting it close, but I made it.
(http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s670/cotton7611/BB2CB8A9-2216-42CF-9802-C13BA37F8D90_zpsn0gzfm69.jpg) (http://s1311.photobucket.com/user/cotton7611/media/BB2CB8A9-2216-42CF-9802-C13BA37F8D90_zpsn0gzfm69.jpg.html)
(http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s670/cotton7611/1A01CCBF-A334-4716-BB65-DCB72214007A_zpsyorbyix3.jpg) (http://s1311.photobucket.com/user/cotton7611/media/1A01CCBF-A334-4716-BB65-DCB72214007A_zpsyorbyix3.jpg.html)
(http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s670/cotton7611/5EE768BA-8FE6-4B3F-B938-DF19B7F90B24_zpsuflmxmvk.jpg) (http://s1311.photobucket.com/user/cotton7611/media/5EE768BA-8FE6-4B3F-B938-DF19B7F90B24_zpsuflmxmvk.jpg.html)
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You been practicing all month Scott... >:D
Looks great!
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You been practicing all month Scott... >:D
Looks great!
Really nice Scott that one looks awesome sharp
Bjrogg
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Very nice looking point.
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You been practicing all month Scott... >:D
Looks great!
Yea, Sand bagger. Sweet!
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spectacular point Stringman
I luv the way the serration flake scars look
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Scott , real nice and I like how you mastered the flake scars in the serrations, Bob
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Super sweet, Scott.
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Well, here is February. What's next?! ;D
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Pick your pleasure Stevo.
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Wait....got 3 hours left
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Nice one nclonghunter
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Nice one at the eleventh hour, Lyman!
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Nick of time!
Alright Scott, I'll pick. Appreciate the go ahead. There is a point I'd like to see that I haven't seen post by anyone over time - I'll need to have a quick look at my point guide as I can't remember the name. Fun.
I'll post up tonight.
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Never seen the Decatur done on here and I've always wanted to give it a try. Thoughts?
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Neat looking point. I'm gonna try one even if it's not the POM
Bjrogg
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Looks good and Mr. Parnell.
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You picked that because you have all of that Hornstone. I'll have to start one when I get back from Brazil, leave Saturday.
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Let's go to Rio--Degenarro :laugh:
I like it too.
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You picked that because you have all of that Hornstone. I'll have to start one when I get back from Brazil, leave Saturday.
Any clue on when you'll be back? Was hoping to see you at Silver Springs. All that Hornstone? I do?
I'm due for some rock shopping at the knapp-in. I'll be looking for some there but in the meantime will have to go with some of my Texas stuff or that real nice piece of Novaculite I have.
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Here's mine. KY black.
(http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s670/cotton7611/74043169-246D-4B0B-9451-E3AA60CEC8BC_zpsol6ihdkl.jpg) (http://s1311.photobucket.com/user/cotton7611/media/74043169-246D-4B0B-9451-E3AA60CEC8BC_zpsol6ihdkl.jpg.html)
(http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s670/cotton7611/A3F99963-77A2-4DE0-8107-070C38F5AA43_zpsbnqbix8y.jpg) (http://s1311.photobucket.com/user/cotton7611/media/A3F99963-77A2-4DE0-8107-070C38F5AA43_zpsbnqbix8y.jpg.html)
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Nice one, Scott.
Steve I fly out 2/4 and come back 2/18 but probably head back to 80 hour weeks on the Sinkhole. I'll have Sundays off.
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Hey Scott, you didn't waste any time on that beauty. Looks like some good Sonora.
I read that the Decatur's are "fracture based", what does that mean?? Anyone know?
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I saw that too. I think it was referring to the high frequency of artifacts found with fractured bases.
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I read that the Decatur's are "fracture based", what does that mean?? Anyone know?
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Pretty sure for me "fracture based" would be a bad thing.lol.
Really nice point Scott. Love that scare pattern. Sweet
Bjrogg
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I have heard the bases were broke on purpose, :o :( Only reason I could think of why would be same as grinding bases dull so as not to split shaft. See if I can find anything else on them. Bob
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KILLER stringman
The fractured base is reffering to burin type flakes taken across the bottom of the base to create a flat edge.
The burin flakes where sometimes put on the sides of the base, back of ears and even the tip, from what I have read about decatures
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1442, I believe the burin base is correct. If I am understanding correctly the flake does not run towards the center of the point but across the edge to make a flat finish or a 45 degree angle along the edge and possibly on opposite sides giving it a "^" appearance. That will make this point interesting to make. Something I have never tried on a base. The rest of the point seems to follow standard flaking techniques.
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Just wondering on your thoughts of notching first then burin flake across base or burin flake across whole base then notch. I know clear as mud. I got a real nice thin novaculite pc that looks like he maybe become a Decatur. Bob
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Bob, I'm learning more every day. Looks like some are snaped on the end to give it the flat base and others flaked across the base to flatten. I suspect if snapped they would have been notched after, so I think notching is last. Not sure when I will get to try make one of these but hopefully soon. Any other ideads in how it is done?
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Wow Scott, didn't waste time! Looks like a beauty. I hope to start on one today. Really interesting about the base.
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This is English. Not to apropos.
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That's a pretty cool point Zuma. For some reason it took me a while to notice the resemblance to your beads but once I did I jumped right out at me. Nice work like how you kept the stars and strip on there.
Bjrogg
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LOL Thanks Brian,
I think the chisel base may be a hold over from Scott's Bluff.
Zuma
Here's a little bit of TX
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Wow that's a beauty Zuma. That looks just like the picture. That point sure has interesting lines.
Bjrogg
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Well here's my attempt. It looks something like the picture and it came in perfect weight for hunting point too.
Thanks for looking
Bjrogg
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That's a dandy Brian 8).
Glad to see you on this thread.
You are a fast learner. :)
Zuma
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Thanks Zuma it is a good challenge and has helped my knapping trying to make a point I've never made instead of making what I get out of a stone. I have really enjoyed it. I don't have any of the books so I've always just made what the stone seemed to want to be. Funny how a lot of the points I see pictures of look like the stuff I end up making. Guess that's what the human race was doing for along time.
Bjrogg
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had a nice pc of thin novaculite and some time today. Not to happy with the base but rest of point came out ok. I also thin down this turtle back pc of hornstone and got a real nice turkey tail even left the cortex tip, This pc was the last slab so it looked like the heel of bread, flat as a pancake on one side and big ole turtle back on the other. Thanks for lookin Bob
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That is a nice stone and a nice point Outback. Wouldn't want to drop that one in the snow you'd never find it
Bjrogg
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I made this one over a three day period while working and waiting for mortar to dry at the end of each day.
Georgetown flake, direct percussion and pressure flaking
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Sheesh 1442, that's beautiful. Mighty elegant. I take my hat off to your point, sir.
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I'd been plugging away at my effort and sat down to make it happen yesterday. Here is the result.
Doesn't look like I get to proclaim victory over this months point before deadline...I had a couple of choice words when it snapped.
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thanks Parnell
I sure hate that yours broke.
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Steve, looks like ya got the fractured base part right now just need to shape it up :o OOPS! Come on knappers not much of a turn out for this month, couple of days left for your Decatur, Let's see them. Bob
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Really pretty point 1442,
Bummer Steve but let me ask did you get your flake? Always better when you at least get your flake.
Outback maybe their still all practicing.
Any ideas for March?
Bjrogg
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Had a nice shape goin Steve. Moment of silence for the man down...
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(Places hat back on head) Ok what's next?
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OK,
I think decature bases are really neat the way the curve of the ears transition into the notches.
I started my base too narrow but when flaking around the ear into the notch just felt like therapy or something, and it felt good.
I can.t explain it but I'm gonna try to make another one just to experience the therapeutics again.
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Really pretty point 1442,
Bummer Steve but let me ask did you get your flake? Always better when you at least get your flake.
Outback maybe their still all practicing.
Any ideas for March?
Bjrogg
I wish I could say yes. At least I know what I did wrong - just didn't take the appropriate measure for setting up the platform as I'd been on a run of knocking off nice flakes. Went for that "last" middle of body flake and el snapo. Oh well, I'll make two points out of it.
I'll be pushing to make another one as I go...can't let it win, after all. Curious to see what's selected next.
Thanks guys.
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Rhyolite and all stone and bone.....Wanted to post a bigger one but I take what I get...:-)
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Way to sneak it in, Lyman!
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Very nice NC always impressed what you make out of that stuff
Bjrogg
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Lyman, your really getting that bone and stone fine tuned, I need some lessons ;D Bob
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That is a great job NClonghunter. very impessive.
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Hey beginning knappers or less experienced ones, here is your chance to jump in and pick a point style for the month of March :KN Let's see some of you newer guys work, don't be scared just jump right in :o Bob
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Oh what the heck. For no other reason other than I've always liked the shape. (and I can make one... kinda)
How about a snyders?
(http://i1129.photobucket.com/albums/m509/dakota_kid1/102_2950_rszd_zps2q2r9a7j.jpg)
The middle one is the most recently made one of the group. It's a piece of this really lustery obsidian I got in a trade with Tracker.(thanks Tracker. good stone makes it so much easier) The stuff looks like liquid fire but the pic doesn't capture it at all. Aside from a random fish hook, I'm pretty sure these are the first points of mine I've posted.
WooHoo!! and I'm on the board (so to speak). or better maybe... I think my point is clear (even used a tripod)
I should probably save some of these, I'll stop.
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Looks like it'll work to me Dakota. I actually was thinking the same point mostly cause I don't have any pretty picture books to look at and always kinda like that style.
Bjrogg
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Mike, thanks for stepping up to the plate and funny I was thinking Snyders also. All three of those look like exceptional Snyders to me and I can't believe how much your knapping has improved, Excellent and Thanks for getting this month started. :KN Bob
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Looking good...works for me. Now I need to find a good piece of rhyolite. Hmmm, this could take a while. :KN
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If you really want to challenge yourself Bob, we could award extra points for using locally available material. That might make our best options beach glass and toilet bowl however. I may see what I can bang out later this evening.
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Terrific ;)
Zuma
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First pic is one I made last night not quite typical shape but nice and thin and lots of flake scars that are not showing up, Here are a few more that were just laying around the house , Sold a real beauty and never got any pics :( Lets see yours. Bob
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Wow, you got a bunch of nice ones. Good work Bob.
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Nice job Outback. Good collection you got going on there.
Bjrogg
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Nice job! You got some good points there.
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Rhyolite Snyder...
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Great looking Snyders, looks real old, Excellent
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My Snyder offering out of some candy burlington.
(http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s670/cotton7611/CACB6229-5D40-4726-9E81-35F9CA66CA9D_zpsorswcrkb.jpg) (http://s1311.photobucket.com/user/cotton7611/media/CACB6229-5D40-4726-9E81-35F9CA66CA9D_zpsorswcrkb.jpg.html)
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That's sweet as candy Scott, as usual beautiful work and beautiful material.
NC don't know when you posted that one but another very impressive point from some of the tough stuff. gotta meet you someday. awesome work
bjrogg
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Scott knows how it's done!! Good work Buddy.
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I finished my Snyder, I'm having trouble with my photo bucket not sure it will post but I'll try
Bjrogg
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Bj, looking good. Bob
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Thanks outback was getting kinda busy. Wasn't sure I was gonna get this months point done. Then my photo bucket acted up. Glad you like it.
Bjrogg
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That looks great, and I love the mahog obsidian!
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nice point bjrogg.
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Thanks Scott, I'm actually getting to where I wish I had something else to hit for a change up but it is pretty stuff. Maybe I'll get something at Marshall from Frank again.
Thanks Redhan, this has helped my knapping forcing me to make a style of point instead of just making anything I get.
Bjrogg
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Snyders out of a pc of Snowflake Obsidian that I received in the last Pith, came out pretty good , pics are bad as usual. My old 8 pix camera took better pics than new 16 pix one. Thanks for lookin, Bob
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Looking good Outback and BJ.
BJ, the spring knap in is this weekend in Chelsea. Going to be a bunch of us there and Frank may be there also. If you need the info, PM me.
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Nice job there Outbackbob48. Thanks Jeb, I'm going to PM you and get info on knap inn.
Bjrogg
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Eh...not so good. Quick try this evening to get in under the wire.
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Looks pretty good to me Parnell. Glad you got one done before the witching hour. It's always though to rush these things. Now we need our April Fools point. I want to keep this going. I want to make a calendar so we need every month.
Bjrogg
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Hard or easy?
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Just put something up there Scott I'll give it my best shot. I'm figuring out a lot of things. Still not that great at notching and really hate breaking almost finished point trying it. I'm game for anything though.
Bjrogg
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Are we skipping this month? If I knew more types of points I suggest one. The only other one I know of hand is the meadowood, having found one in my youth. I think it was even further typed as a raccoon creek style of meadowood.
I like the look of those wicked looking slim triangle points from the southwest. They almost have a sharktooth looking thing going on. I can't remember the name at the moment and don't have enough time right now to go googling.
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Sorry guys, forgot to put something up. I'm gonna name the dalton. It has a number of size variations as well as some other minor design variances. Overall it is a lancelote type blade with concave base and heavily ground hafting area (serrations optional.)
(http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s670/cotton7611/8A9A23EA-F221-473F-A237-EE1366D2C8F5_zps4pjmhu7x.jpg) (http://s1311.photobucket.com/user/cotton7611/media/8A9A23EA-F221-473F-A237-EE1366D2C8F5_zps4pjmhu7x.jpg.html)
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I will try to get another made soon.
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Great! Dalton it is.
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Thanks Scott, when I get a chance I'll give it a whirl
Bjrogg
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Are we skipping this month? If I knew more types of points I suggest one. The only other one I know of hand is the meadowood, having found one in my youth. I think it was even further typed as a raccoon creek style of meadowood.
I like the look of those wicked looking slim triangle points from the southwest. They almost have a sharktooth looking thing going on. I can't remember the name at the moment and don't have enough time right now to go googling.
I think you may be thinking of a cahokia. That was the first actual point style i made.
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Sorry for the misunderstanding Dakota.
Zuma
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No problem Zuma. Sometimes the written word falls short and can be easily misinterpreted.
I wasn't trying to get on anyones case or otherwise seem impatient. With my skill level it may take me a full month to get a good one depending on the style. :laugh:
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. With my skill level it may take me a full month to get a good one depending on the style. :laugh:
You are tops with me Dakota
This is what I was getting at. We should have less difficult points for our newer knappers :KN
Just one man's opinion. Perhaps two points could be done each month. One for the skilled and one for
folks that want to get their feet wet.
Zuma
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I kinda like this one Zuma, I like the challenge and same as Dakota I don't have any pictures or books so I don't know the names but I like trying to make them. I'd be a lot more scared of those deep
Notch ones but I'm ready to try em. If someone wants to put a second point up though I think that's great, I'm just kinda glad someone put up one.
Bjrogg
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Welcome back Don :o your ears must of been burning , talked to Eric yesterday and was asking where ya been. Did it get to (R or to much (-S. or did the fish quit biting ;D I'm just glad that someone picked one also, remember it is not a popularity contest, just do our best and post a pic if ya like. Bob
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We just did an easier style point last month, so it seems fair. I don't mind a challenge. Every failure is one step closer to a success. After all you never know if you can unless you make an attempt.
I don't think we need two styles of points each month, but a beginners version of the more difficult ones might be nice. Usually when dealing with artifacts that's the kind of thing you see anyway. Often I see points referred to as a crude version of a ______. The crude version has less defined notches and is thicker and less symmetrical, that sort of thing.
Once I get the name of the point for the month, I google it until I find an example that looks like something I can handle. That is if the one posted here looks overwhelming.
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Sounds like you got the right attitude DK.
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Welcome back Don :o your ears must of been burning , talked to Eric yesterday and was asking where ya been. Did it get to (R or to much (-S. or did the fish quit biting ;D I'm just glad that someone picked one also, remember it is not a popularity contest, just do our best and post a pic if ya like. Bob
Lol Yeah got back in time for a brief frost. To hot and buggy down there now.
Glad to hear everyone is cool with a challange. Hoping to see some candy.
Zuma
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Me to Zuma, it'll be interesting to see what everyone comes up with
Bjrogg
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Well...scratch my first attempt! Next...
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Ouch, Parnell :'(
My serrations need help.
Zuma
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LOL >:D >:D
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As they say, perspective is everything! Nice one Zuma! ;)
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That would make a nice point for a blowgun dart. They certain aren't very lethal without one.
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Those really impress me Zuma. It sure looks cool on the tip of your finger. I don't know how you can even hold them.
Bjrogg
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Thanks for looking guys :) Maybe I can get a sizable rock
to make a real Dalton this weekend over in Charlestown West VA :-K
Zuma
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Nice one Don and looks like your using all your flint. Raining here so jumped in the garage and knapped and watched nice warm spring rain (R. Got a nice 5" Dalton out of a pc of George town, I can picture this going down range off an atl-atl and seeking a kill shot on a Mastidon. Thanks for lookin and joining the hunt. Bob
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It weel KEEELLL!
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That's a dandy Outback.
Bjrogg
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That thing looks deadly!
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Man that is a killer point!
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Heck yeah Bob, I'd like to see that stickin in a big ole porker (-_) (-_)
Zuma
I hope you make it down here to the New River May 14th
It's a purdy place. Eric should be haulin in some goodies.
Bring some friends.
Zuma
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This style point wasn't as difficult as it looked. I managed to get three. The left hand one was even with raw local material, which is a challenge where I live. The middle one was made from a really nice flake that needed little thinning. I'm not sure if that's cheating or not, but it worked so I'm okay with it.
(http://i1129.photobucket.com/albums/m509/dakota_kid1/102_2961_zpskpobwry0.jpg)
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Mike, lookin good , especially the tuff local stuff also nice flute on the middle one. Bob
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Bob, did you know the Charleston WV knappin is Saturday?
Zuma
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Nice Daltons being shown..
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Nice Zuma I'm hoping to get at mine soon.
Bjrogg
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Don, 5 to 6hr. drive for just one day is a little to much driving for me, nice looking Daltons Don. Bob
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Here's one that Elijah, "Seminole Wind" made from Coastal Plains chert and one I made from Flint ridge.
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Those are both really nice Eddie
Bjrogg
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Thank you, Brian.
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Lookin good Eddie. I guess your back from Rio?
Zuma
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Lotsa nice ones. See if I can get mine tomorrow.
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Eddie, real nice lookin points, really like the looks of the costal plains material. Bob
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Today's
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Nice one, Steve. And that's the Coastal Plains candy.
Don, never been to Rio. I'm always a few hundred kilometers away, north of Sao Paulo.
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Bone and stone....
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Those are real nice points NC and Steve. I just got to many things going right now I love it when that happens.lol. I'm still hoping to get one done yet but time is ticking.
Bjrogg
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That one looks great! I haven't worked a piece of G'town in awhile. It's all I did for a year.
Nice point!
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Nc and Steve, couple of nice looking Daltons :KN Bob
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Steve and Lyman, those are great looking daltons! Y'all are making this month look easy!
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Thank you for the comments. That raw Georgetown is like butter after working a truck load of rhyolite.
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I dont know what yall are making, but it looks like a Dalton, so i made this thing that could pass as a Dalton.
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Glad u posted that, Nathaniel. What material did you say that was?
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Raw petrified wood, or agatized wood.
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That is a beauty
Bjrogg
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Gorgeous, Nathaniel.
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I believe that will pass as a Dalton.. :o
Beautiful work!
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Dadgum that's a beauty!!!!
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Here is another picture for size.
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Man Parnell, you are getting good.
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That's a mighty fine compliment Nathaniel. I appreciate that.
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Gone fishin and come back to a lot of candy :) :) :)
Really nice Daltons guys.
Zuma
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Wanted to share a local point style known as a "Hardaway Dalton" and made from Rhyolite. The Hardaway site is located near the largest rhyolite quarry in NC, called Morrow Mountain which is part of the oldest mountains named Uwharrie Mountains.
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We're almost at the end of the month and in two days I'll be heading for the Classic so I'm going to throw out a suggestion for a point for may, now. How about fishhooks?
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Nice one Lyman. My favorite next to Le Croy.
This is nasty green obsidian from Mexico. :-K
Zuma
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That is nasty Zuma I like it.
Bjrogg
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I like the big ones, nice work Zuma. See ya soon!
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Thanks fellas,
I did a cutey today.
Zuma
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Very nice Zuma, I been so busy. I started one awhile back but I don't know if I'll get it done
Bjrogg
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Really good looking daltons being posted.
here's mine.
raw texas tab
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That's the way to finish this Dalton reign.....very nice
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What's the May point of the month.... hows about the Montell point??
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I think Eddie already called the fish hook, but go ahead and show us some Tower Montells.
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made one today at work
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from a raw central tx flake
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I made a quick 30 min. video tonight showing how I go about making a hook if ya want to look.
https://youtu.be/Y2fuIt-HXH0
It's uploading as I type this so I hope it works.
I wont be back till Sunday night (4 days) going fishing!
I'll get a picture of the hook I made tonight on video and post it here when I get back
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I made a quick 30 min. video tonight showing how I go about making a hook if ya want to look.
https://youtu.be/Y2fuIt-HXH0
It's uploading as I type this so I hope it works.
I wont be back till Sunday night (4 days) going fishing!
I'll get a picture of the hook I made tonight on video and post it here when I get back
Now that's confidence. Get one hook ready and hit the pond. >:D.
Nifty hook, should catch a whopper.
Zuma
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Here is a three piece hook O:)
Zuma
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Good idea Zuma, three piece take down. ;) :-K
Bjrogg
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That sure is the prettiest three piece take down stone fishing hook I've ever seen. Really was a nice one.
Bjrogg
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Those new hooks just arent made like the old ones.
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Zuma,
I like that three piece hook so much I replicated it yesterday at work. Didn't get a pic of it yet but I will get one today.
Before that I made a two piece, but decided to throw away the shank half and wound up with a short shank hook.
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Great ideas there 1442. I'll probably use them all if I get around to it. That short shank will take up less room in the tackle box.
Bjrogg
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Zuma,
I like that three piece hook so much I replicated it yesterday at work. Didn't get a pic of it yet but I will get one today.
Before that I made a two piece, but decided to throw away the shank half and wound up with a short shank hook.
Thanks BJ
Good to see you Lymann.
Dern 1442, It seems to always happen on the last flake too. What's with that? >:D
Zuma
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@1442
your hooks are really awesome
do you think it could be possibile or useful to make some sort of barb on them?
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You can put a barb on them, but it usually goes on the outside rather than the inside barb like a metal hook.
(http://i1129.photobucket.com/albums/m509/dakota_kid1/102_2992_zpsplf6psh0.jpg)
The barb on this one started out bigger, but apparently my pressure flaker thought it needed some unplanned reduction.
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Very nice Dakota. I'm afraid I'm falling behind on the POM. Just to many things going on now. I love it when that happens.
Bjrogg
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I always throw my pressure flaker and a few preforms in my lunch cooler. Most days I can finish a point or two between smoke breaks and the last part of my lunch break.
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Been so darn busy finishing up the school year, it's time to give the hook another try. These look great, I've got to get my first victory with this.
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CTAAT hook (Catches Two At A Time)
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cont.
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Haha, awesome 1442! Looks like a goofy Mustache Simpson.
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Very nice. Can't wait to see the trelbe hook.
Zuma
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The concept and skill level are awesome, but I'm not sure those hooks would get any bite. They don't appear to stick out far enough from the notch location. It would be easy enough to narrow the top if it needed it. Good stuff, I might give that a shot.
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Figured since I picked it this month I better get started.
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Good stuff
I just don't think a barb is worth the effort except on larger hooks to be used on set lines.
I've got some large hooks with the barb on the outside like Dakota Kid did. I plan to use them on a trotline and shoot for catching a forty pound catfish.
The point angle on the ctaat hook will work similar to a circle hook. A fifty percent hook up to bite ratio is good for a stone hook and actually landing fifty percent of hooked fish would be a good day. They just aint as efficient as a modern steel hook at hooking fish, but stone hooks get bit and catch fish pretty well.
Here's one I made from a gravel flake last night and videoed the process to put on youtube.
I'll post a link when it's uploaded.
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here's the youtube link to making the gravel flake hook
https://youtu.be/vQCM_6KPnsQ
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Those are very good videos, 1442. Just seeing your tools and techniques makes a difference, much thanks.
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Thanks Parnell
I hope they are helpful
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It was raining cats and dogs this morning so I sat it out and made another fish hook out of a central tx flake.
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I got a sack full of agate flakes today so I worked a couple into hooks.
The small one is brazillian agate and the larger one is green moss agate.
I learned today that I love agate.
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A steelhead would hit that orange-ish one just because it's the right color. It's the same hue as fish eggs.
Have you ever used the small capsule type "hooks" with the pints on both ends? They get tied in the middle and completely hidden inside the bait. after it's swallowed it turns sideways in the stomach and won't pull out easily sideways. Usually made from bone antler or wood. Just curious if they work half way decent.
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A steelhead would hit that orange-ish one just because it's the right color. It's the same hue as fish eggs.
Have you ever used the small capsule type "hooks" with the pints on both ends? They get tied in the middle and completely hidden inside the bait. after it's swallowed it turns sideways in the stomach and won't pull out easily sideways. Usually made from bone antler or wood. Just curious if they work half way decent.
I had a Comanche buddy that used to make them out of both bone and antler. I have a few he made and have always wanted to try one.
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I got a sack full of agate flakes today so I worked a couple into hooks.
The small one is brazillian agate and the larger one is green moss agate.
I learned today that I love agate.
LOL I'd like a bite of these two. (-P
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Those are really Cool 1442. I'd like to see your tackle box. Bet you'd get the looks when you go fishing
Bjrogg
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I never tried a straight stick type hook. It would be hard to get most fish around here to actually swallow it without them feeling you and spitting it out.
Here's three more I made today
Indian moss agate, which I dropped and broke after it was finished,
indian red moss agate
Paute, maybe on the brown one, I'll have to look again what it is called
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Very nice hooks 1492. :) They look like they could attract a bite by them selves.
Here is a worm hook combo. >:D
Zuma
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Thanks Zuma,
they do have an attraction to hungry fish for sure.
Here's one I made for a catfish this Memorial day weekend coming up.
I'm gonna try to get another one out of the front half of the broke biface
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Paiute agate flake hook
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todays Brazilian agate hook
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Dadgum your cranking out some beauties!!!
I made a lil perch hook I need to post. .
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!492, You have really mastered the hookies. Not only are they
eye catching but I am sure they will work also.
Zuma
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thanks.
They would surely work.
I thought I was going fishing this weekend but not now!
made this one at work today
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had a urge to make one more tonight
I got a few more of these agate flakes to work with
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I continue to break my attempts at a hook! I'll try again today.
1442, you are a machine! Your video did help.
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Thanks,
I will try to make another vid and cover some of the finer details that are shown but not discussed in the previous vids.
When I start talking on camera, I sound so bad I don't want to post it, but I'm gonna do it anyway and try to describe some things that I think are important that may help some more.
Here's one I made at work yesterday
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made two more today from agate flakes
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broke one today also that I sure would like to have not broken
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I really like the look of those translucent ones. That agate you have sure is some purdy stuff. Something tells me the fish will like them too. At the very least they won't recognize them as a hook. I'm gonna bust out my old stash of bottle glass and see what I can come up with before I turn in.
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those agate hooks are insanely beautiful
I bet that even if a fish is not lured in it will decide to suicide on one on purpose :OK
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The hooks this month have been fun to look at, but time is almost out. Anyone have a suggestion for next month!
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The Fat Lady sings tomorrow lol (-P
Just for the visual.
Oh yeah
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Oh MAN! Last day for a hook.
Seems like we just got started.
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one more from a agate flake
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Tower mentioned a Montell point.
I like that cause I don't think I ever made one before.
Wut y'all thank?
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Sounds good to me.
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Been hanging back to avoid all this fishhook craziness. :laugh: Glad it's a new month haha. Here is my very first try at a fishhook and my first try at a Montell.
The hook is from a hornstone flake. The Montell is from a piece of Texas rock that went to from crud to candy with about 550 degrees. Montell's are kinda weird, never rechecked my phone to see pictures of a point so many times while trying to make something before haha. Wish I had my Overstreet guide with me while making it.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/wakolbinger/IMG_4359_1.jpg)
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/wakolbinger/IMG_4357.jpg)
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/wakolbinger/IMG_4339.jpg)
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/wakolbinger/IMG_4344.jpg)
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/wakolbinger/IMG_4353_1.jpg)
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/wakolbinger/IMG_4354.jpg)
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good job on both of those Bowmo
did you do the hook abo?
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Thanks 1442.
No, I had mercy on myself for my first attempt. I nibbled it out with a horseshoe nail flaker. It was going to be longer and hook back on itself more but it kept telling me it wanted to be shorter ::)
Had fun messing with a flake that I wouldn't normally bother to chip these days. Really expected to have to try on a lot more than one flake to get one, may be making some more of these... :laugh:
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Ok I'm gonna play along for a while. I have only been knapping for about 7 months or so. Dont have much knappable rock right around here. So mostly landscaping stones and glass some local tough rocks. Got graciously gifted some obsidian from someone on here, and found some at a rock shop on the big island. Really liking It! Here's my montell.
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That's a nice one Penderbender, glad your playing along.
Bowmo, I've tried a steel tip flaker on hooks but it just don't seem to work nearly as well as copper. I get stalled out or break the hook way way more with steel than with copper, so much so that I don't use steel to shape a hook at all anymore.
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Nice work pender! You gotta use what you can. Finding a good source was one of the toughest parts of knapping for me.
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Those are both nice bowmo.
Pender I like playtime with you. Nice job and as Scott said you have to use want you got. Really nice and great job notching.
Bjrogg
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Pender, that point looks great. Clear glass can be kinda boring but it's a great learning material and sure is easy to come by. I use to use the bottle bottoms from things like Jager and Sky vodka when I could find them. Fairly flat and the green and blue is more fun than clear. Took me like 8 years of knapping to figure out how to collect stone myself here in Illinois.
1442, I really didn't find the soft steel to be very aggressive and never had a stall. Just had to come up with creative ways to support the hook at the edges of my pad. The snaps that shortened it were just because it was still flat in cross section there. Helps I wasn't using a heat treated stone tho.
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Here is another Montell attempt I knocked out today. Also a Dalton cuz that one got too narrow on me.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/wakolbinger/IMG_4363.jpg)
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/wakolbinger/IMG_4364.jpg)
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Thanks guys! I have been lurking on this thread for a while. Figured why not join the fun. Cheers- brendan
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Those are really nice bowmo. I wish I would have realized you where at Marshall I would have really liked to sit down with you and make a few chips. I didn't bring many knapping tools this year because my brother really got into it now and we use the same tools.
Bjrogg
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Thanks bjrogg. It amazes me I still don't have all the online names and faces sorted out at the events I go to. I was chippin pretty much the whole event, and always have extra tools. Next time feel free to sit and chip.
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Lookin good guys. :KN :KN
Zuma
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Some more work in Texas rocks.
The Georgetown Montell came from a spall that seemed more cortex than flint but I managed to coax one out it. The rootbeer got too small on me by the time I thinned it out and I just side notched it. The dark Pedernales tried so hard to turn itself into a Hardin I couldn't say no to it. The other is some more Pedernales that had a lot of orange in it but lost it all by the time I thinned it. All are raw stone.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/wakolbinger/IMG_4371.jpg)
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Nice ones Bowmo, that Dalton is sumpin else
I made this Montell fillet knife from a central TX rock tonight
and made the Georgetown trotline hook at work today
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Man, that Montell is flippin amazing. Awesome work. That hook is killer too, love looking at your stuff.
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Here are a couple made from local flint. The large on is raw Edwards flint
(http://i1278.photobucket.com/albums/y506/Dontower/IMG_1932_zpsnqcnhdjy.jpg) (http://s1278.photobucket.com/user/Dontower/media/IMG_1932_zpsnqcnhdjy.jpg.html)
(http://i1278.photobucket.com/albums/y506/Dontower/F355E7B6-9496-422F-9479-D1CC2F82FDD3_zpshf1j9hhj.jpg) (http://s1278.photobucket.com/user/Dontower/media/F355E7B6-9496-422F-9479-D1CC2F82FDD3_zpshf1j9hhj.jpg.html)
(http://i1278.photobucket.com/albums/y506/Dontower/IMG_1939_zpsvvfkv4i9.jpg) (http://s1278.photobucket.com/user/Dontower/media/IMG_1939_zpsvvfkv4i9.jpg.html)
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The Montell caller himself. Haha. Man those are awesome, beautiful work.
Boy, you Texas guys with all your big Texas rock. Makes me ripe with envy.
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Wow I really like that one 1442. Tower those are both sweet as well. Cheers- brendan
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I love POM :KN :) ;)
Zuma
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I do to Zuma, I'm just a couple months behind now though. Glad to see it found some traction. Nice work everyone.
Bjrogg
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Both of those, excellent examples of Montells.
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Best I can do with my dreg rocks.
I'd keep em if I found them in the Hills. >:D
Zuma
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Well here's what I came up with. Kinda reminds me of Patrick on sponge Bob square pants. At least I got one made this month.
Bjrogg
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Hahaha, that does look like Patrick! Don't think I would have seen it on my own either.
Great look points guys and that sure is some purdy stone Zuma.
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Haha I like it bj. Nice little point. Cheers- brendan
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Nice one BJ. looks like the real deal.
Zuma
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Here's some skinny ones. I need fat rock
Bone
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Skinny but deadly! Nice ones bone! Cheers- Brendan
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Lookin' good guys.
What kind of stone are those last two Zuma?
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here's another one from TX mat.
I kept breaking the ears and got them shorter than I planned on.
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Yep 1492 it don't take much for a little nibble to J hook
the tip of the barb right off.
Zuma
How would I know >:D
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I tried but I think these are hybrid at best. My first one ended up looking like it was half snyders, not sure what I'd call the second.
(http://i1129.photobucket.com/albums/m509/dakota_kid1/102_2996_zpsy3gcycie.jpg)
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Really nice points everyone. A pretty good amount of them to. Before you know it it'll be July.
Bjrogg
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It's July now... what's the new point?
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You call it bender. Make it easy for me :KN :KN
Zuma
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Ok How about a scallorn Zuma? Looks easy enough. Haha cheers- Brendan
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Fine with me. Does it look like an onion? >:D
Zuma
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How about a blue scallorn? Missed last month point so thought I would get a jump on this one, a pc of blue glass caught my eye so here is my Scallorn attempt. Bob
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Nothing wrong with that Bob! Gotta live blue glass! Cheers- Brendan
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Mine from some agate I just pulled out of the kiln.
(http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s670/cotton7611/82BD5738-7398-422B-9926-3BB84C4CA80B_zps1prxqb9r.jpg) (http://s1311.photobucket.com/user/cotton7611/media/82BD5738-7398-422B-9926-3BB84C4CA80B_zps1prxqb9r.jpg.html)
(http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s670/cotton7611/E7CB7868-805A-49FC-B9EE-EA3DA49AF843_zpsxnq7lii3.jpg) (http://s1311.photobucket.com/user/cotton7611/media/E7CB7868-805A-49FC-B9EE-EA3DA49AF843_zpsxnq7lii3.jpg.html)
(http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s670/cotton7611/A06EA4DA-70FD-4A99-86E2-81E163AD6A49_zpsccstgm96.jpg) (http://s1311.photobucket.com/user/cotton7611/media/A06EA4DA-70FD-4A99-86E2-81E163AD6A49_zpsccstgm96.jpg.html)
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Gee Bob, now all you need for tomorrow is a white one for the fourth.
Carra, Sky Vodka and what, Burlington?
I bet you dock the base and haft that baby up this fall,String.
Mine is just your basic Scallorn
Zuma
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Don, I just happen to have a pc of the white carra glass, I don't like the base on the blue one so maybe I can remedy it on a white point, We shall see. Bob
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Found this in the bottom of some tanqueray gin . Cheers- Brendan
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Fingers crossed for ya Bob
Bender that's as cool as a gin and tonic on a very hot day. :)
Zuma
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Nice points!
Mine turned out a little different than I had planned it to.
Raw citronelle gravel
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That's pretty sweet looking. Cheers- Brendan
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Holy moly a notched prickly pear, >:D
Zuma
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You can just throw that one and it will stick however it hits.... )P(
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here's a couple I made from some small flakes.
The brown one is gravel and I don't know what the other one is.
That's a good idea nclonghunter, just throw it at em.
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here's another one from a flake of unknown material.
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Well not sure this is exactly what your looking for, but I'm gonna sneak it in at the last minute and find out.
Bjrogg
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Looks good in my books! Cheers- Brendan
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I guess it's time for a new point. I know because it's my wife's birthday and I even remembered it😊
Bjrogg
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What point type bj? And happy birthday to your wife. Cheers- Brendan
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I'm up for trying anything Pender and I'll tell my wife. I really don't know any names of points
Bjrogg
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Just thinking could do just a stem point. Seems like don't see many of those, but I'm up for anything. This one doesn't count, but something like this.
Bjrogg
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BJ that's lookin a lot like a Savannah River. Let's do some.
They are pretty easy.
Zuma
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Thanks for the ID Zuma, I just call it a stem point. Good to see you on here again buddy. I knocked out another one on my lunch break yesterday. I have to get some pictures when I get a chance.
Bjrogg
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I knocked this one out on my lunch break yesterday. It's mostly percussion with a little indirect. I did use pressure on the stem.Should probably touch it up with some pressure yet, but it's probably going to be hanging on my daughter in laws Christmas Tree. Her birthday is tomorrow so this is going to be one of her presents from me. Gotta put on a string to hang it from and make a muskrat sheath to store it in yet.
Bjrogg
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BJ didn't want to leave you hangin out here alone :KN :KN.
So I got me some glass and painted it. >:D
Zuma
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Nice Zuma, maybe a coat of clear coat would make it look slicker. ;) Glad to see somebody up here. It's been a lonely month.
Bjrogg
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Last day of August everyone, not to late yet
Bjrogg
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Heat up a little candle wax and rub it in. That will slick up any point and bury a few imperfections along the way.
Nice point guys.
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Imperfections??? >:D >:D >:D
Zuma
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NOT on that blade as it is a dandy. I use it on my blades as they are full of them,lol
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NOT on that blade as it is a dandy. I use it on my blades as they are full of them,lol
You know I was just funnin with you. Your points and knives are aces.
Here is a Sept contribution for POM Charleston corner notched.
Zuma
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Very nice Zuma. Is that rainbow obsidian? Looks great whatever it is and doesn't even need any paint.
Bjrogg
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That's a pretty one! I'd like to start to get back on here. Trying to finish up a couple bows, lately.
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Thanks guys. No rainbow BJ
Zuma
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I need to get back into the swing of things...... what's Decembers point of the month??
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Great to hear from you tower. Man just pick a point and knock one out. I need some inspiration.
Bjrogg
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It’s been a liooong time since anyone has posted here. I nominate the Cahokia ( side notched ) point.
A fair simple easy point to replicate 😊
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Tower. I'm glad you noticed. Please post the point. I don't have any knapping books for point ID. I'll play though if you post something. It really helped me making a point I had to make and not just whatever I wanted.
Bjrogg
PS really miss Zuma. Anyone seen him around? Sure hope he's ok.
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Here’s a pic from the net
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Here is A pic of the last one I made
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Ew. Pretty. Both pictures are great but I like the second best. That's what I was thinking for point type. What material is that one tower?
Bjrogg
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wow! I would vote for that in a heart beat! I was also wondering what happened to this thread.
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It Brazilian agate. Super purddy material
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That really is some beautiful stuff and you did it proud Tower.
Russell, just in case you don't know. This is different than the bow of month. No voting. Someone post a picture of a point type and anyone can try to make one like me it. Kinda makes you turn the stone into what you want, not what you can get out of it.
Don, if I get a chance I'll give that one a shot.
Bjrogg
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Point of the month was something that I always looked forward too, Hope we can get this going again, Always nice to see others rendition of the same point style. I will try and get a Cahokia going here shortly. Bob
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I have not got to knap for several days now so I was glad to have time tonight to sit down and make something.
I determined to make a Cahokia for POM and started out with a piece of gravel but it turned out too thick, so I did this one out of a piece of Georgetown.
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Well it's not as pretty as those two but it's worthy of posting a picture. Glad to see this thread rejuvenated.
Bjrogg
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looks good Bjrogg
I was gifted a small piece of a heat treated, petrified palm wood slab a few weeks ago and I been wanting to do something with it so last night I used it to make another POM.
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That petrified palm is some crazy looking stuff! I'll give this one a go.
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I dont have enough material so ill try next months POM but I'm watching! :KN (-P
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I dont have enough material so ill try next months POM but I'm watching! :KN (-P
Try a bottle bottom Russell. There's you tube videos that show how to do it. This is a nice point to try.
Glass is easy to find and it knaps just like Obsidian. It can take a lot of $$ worth of stone to figure this out.
Thanks 1442. Got a few steps and not the nicest flake pattern. Perfect size and weight though.
Really cool petrified palm.
Bjrogg
PS sure do miss Zuma. If anyone sees him around tell him I said I've been thinking of him.
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I dont have enough material so ill try next months POM but I'm watching! :KN (-P
Try a bottle bottom Russell. There's you tube videos that show how to do it. This is a nice point to try.
Glass is easy to find and it knaps just like Obsidian. It can take a lot of $$ worth of stone to figure this out.
Thanks 1442. Got a few steps and not the nicest flake pattern. Perfect size and weight though.
Really cool petrified palm.
Bjrogg
PS sure do miss Zuma. If anyone sees him around tell him I said I've been thinking of him.
thanks Bj! it does knap like obsidian! this is great!
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Those are some nights purddy points
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I been pressure flaking slabs a lot lately so tonight I decided to do something different.
I just picked up some flakes, gravel and a section of broke biface and direct percussion knapped out some preform for some Cahokia points. The last one I worked was the gravel on the right and I don't know if it's gonna make a Cahokia. I had a good preform with it and I should have stopped, but one hit led to another until I pretty much kilt it.
Heres first flake then I decided to do them as a group
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90 minutes later I have seven preforms ready for pressure flaking. I'll do the pressure flaking tomorrow
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got them pressure flaked.
tomorrow will be nachos
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notched em.
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That’s some mighty fine looking Indian bullets
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Factory production, 1442! Ha.
Sat down to knock some of my rust off.
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Nice point Steve. Glad to see so much participation.
Bjrogg
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Nice points guys. I broke a tip off while attempting one a couple days ago. Will post a photo soon. Turned out a little too short and wide. Rick B
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(https://i.postimg.cc/t4GsJnt9/IMG-0002.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Short because I broke the tip and resharpened it. Rick B
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Really enjoying this (-P
Bjrogg
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I finished the first rock. Just crumbles are left.
But I could get one long enough to make a POTM. It is a bit under 2" so still not long enough I guess.
The base corners don't exist because it would made the point more shorter.
Next time hopefully a better one...
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Nice B2W
Great participation last month. Now the hard part. Someone needs to post a new point for a new month.
Just to keep it going I'll throw a simple stem point out there. I'm sorry I don't know names of points. If someone else wants to throw one out there go right ahead.
Bjrogg
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Stemmed point sounds great to me
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Dang it! almost had one!
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Dang it! almost had one!
Keep trying Russell. You still got almost a month.
Bjrogg
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BJ, thanks for bring back the Point of the Month. Got to busy last month and missed out. I found a nice straight flake of Flint River and just started messing around and ended up with a odd shaped stem point, kinda uni faced to boot. :o Bob
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sweet )P(
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Nice point Outback. I like the little smiley face to.
Bjrogg
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Nothing wrong with unifaced points. I have picked up several. Beautiful point!
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Here's a stemmed novaculite point I just finished up. Made it broad and altered the base a little - I call that artistic leway. Rick B
(https://i.postimg.cc/Y2fw5wy4/Stemmed-Novaculite-Point.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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looks like a perfect Savannah River sweet
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Dadgum that’s purddy
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1 3/4" long , 7/8" wide, 5/16" thick
I did not recognize that the tip broke off, ...so this became resharpened.
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I'm so glad to see activity in this thread again, here's my contribution for the month.
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I'm so glad to see activity in this thread again, here's my contribution for the month.
Me to. I hope someone post a new point for next month. Really enjoy this and it really does make me better by making me make a certain point. Besides that it's just plain fun.
Bjrogg
Keep it going everyone
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I'm glad too.
I'm gonna make one fore the month is gone. I better hurry
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You still have time 1442.
Bjrogg
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I'm in the same camp as Clewis with this Adena, made from raw Hartville uplift chert, or Oil chert.
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For August, how about a hafted end scraper - AKA blunt or stunner? The first two in the photo are finds and the third one I made from NC rhyolite. In most cases the end scraper was made from a broken then re-worked point. I'm sure you guys have some broken points laying around that you can use or just make one from scratch. Rick B
(https://i.postimg.cc/mkL6b9pM/IMG-0014.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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Well August POM was a bust lol any ideas for September?
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Sorry I didn't get August point done. I'm still interested in trying it. Nice looking point. If someone has a September point I'll try to make em both. Maybe hunt with one of em in October
Bjrogg
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I know that not a lot of people have been knapping, or at least not posting but how about a pine tree point?
heres the description
This is a medium corner notched point with an elliptical, flattened, or median ridge cross section. The blade is most notable as an outward recurvate, but may be straight to slightly incurvate and is serrated. The shoulders are horizontal to having a slightly upwards angle. The stem is expanding. The base may vary from convex to concave and is thinned with light to heavy hafting region grinding being present. This point has a collateral to a random flaking pattern.
Edit - for November
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What about a your personal favorite point to knap fthis month?
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Sounds good to me Don. I just don't know how to shrink my pictures so I can post one.
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I email my pics to myself. That allows me to adjust their size
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Sounds good Don. Get it started and I am in.
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I like them notched from the corners
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Anyone down to do a point of the month this September??? Im kinda wanting to do it but i wanna see if anyone else wants to.
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Looks like you got your answer. ;D
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Yeah… haha… I hope someday soon there will be enough interest to do another point of the month, but I guess there isn’t enough now.
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If someone posted one I’d see if I could, but I’ve been really busy farming.
Bjrogg
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Well how about a corner tang?
Anybody in?
Bjrogg
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Here’s another one.
I have special plan for these.
Bjrogg
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BJ, here are a few that I did a long time ago, I used to love to come to point of the month and try and replicate all the great knappers who came here and participated, This has been tried many times to reopen and I sure hope this time is successful. Bob
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On it!!! ill try my best! got a perfect bi-face for it!
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Well, well it’s good to see a heart beat here.
Very nice Outback. I’m hoping to see some more in the coming months. I’ll try. Usually have a little more time to knap in the winter.
That’s the spirit Russell. Look forward to seeing your point.
Bjrogg
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Hope to have till March to spend in the shop. Just been happy making madison like points for awhile now, figured this was a good oppertunity to try something different. Never even thought about trying a corner tang before, so had to do a bit of research on them 1st. they turned out ok. Hope to haft them up this weekend. Might try again now that I got a couple under my belt.
Mike
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That’s great Mike. Glad to see you here for the challenge. I’m hoping to have some time until spring to. Although I know I’m going to have a busier than normal winter. We have a lot of work to do in the shop this winter.
Bjrogg
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Here's the last one I made some time back. Mahogany obsidian.
(https://i.postimg.cc/QxvSvYwP/Corner-Tang-Knife.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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Very nice RickB
Bjrogg
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One of the truck drivers that deliver the Biosolids wanted a glass knife.
I decided it was a good opportunity to try another corner notch
Have a piece of cholla from Jeb for a handle.
I hope he likes it. I’m pretty sure he will
Bjrogg
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Nice one BJ! im hopefully going to have time to finish mine up tonight or tomorrow! with finals being finished up i should have time to hopefully make one or two corner notches.
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I’ll be watching for it Russell. Was hoping you were still up to the challenge.
Still have about ten days yet before the end of the month and year yet everyone.
Remember. It’s not a contest, but a challenge to yourself to make a point that someone chooses each month. Don’t be afraid to share them. Believe me. I’m still by no means a expert knapper. It’s taken me 6 years to get where I am. Challenging myself to the point of the month definitely upped my game.
Hope you give it a try and start thinking about next months point. Let’s see if we can do a whole year!!
Bjrogg
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I made it!!! Not my best work but it’s good!
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Lookin pretty good Russell :-T Bob
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That’s great Russel. And time to spare to.
Have to start thinking about next month.
Bjrogg
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Looks great Mr. Deerhunter. Keep up the good work.
Mike
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Alright , it's the first of the month, need someone to pick a point and keep this going, anybody out there ;D Bob
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Alright , it's the first of the month, need someone to pick a point and keep this going, anybody out there ;D Bob
That’s right outback. We should pick one soon so we all have time to make one before the month is over. Sure would be great to do a whole year.
Bjrogg
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Have not tried but been wanting to for some time is an Ashtabula style point. Sorry no picture but its a stemmed point that sometimes flares out at the basal end. Angle at shoulder is over 90 degrees. In general they are 50-150mm, so 2-6 inches in length. I think a point of that style leaves a lot of opportunity for different skill levels.
Ill try and give it a shot today and if successful post a pic. But could go in a different direction if someone has another idea.
Mike
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Sounds good to me Mike. I’m going to need a picture though. I’m not very good with the names.
In fact I’m sorry. I noticed I called last months a corner notch. It should have been a corner tang I think.
Bjrogg
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Was able to work down a flake this morning for an example. I really like the fish tail style stem with a slight concave base but they were also made with straight edges or had slight convex bases if I read this correct. Its an older style point 2000+BP so I figure they were not arrow heads but I think a smaller version would work very well used that way. Looking at this one I think a larger version would make a dandy knife. I may work this one down a bit more to try and remove a few steps I created but figured I take a couple pictures before I broke something. All in all pretty pleased with turning this one out in short time with that material.
Mike
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Looks great Mike.
I’m up for that style. I will try to get one done before end of the month. Been busy with paperwork lately and a couple other projects. I should be able to get er done though
Thanks for posting a point for us
Bjrogg
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Thanks Bj. If you dont have any resource books I found a good web site that gives examples and some background of different styles...projectilepoints.net They show several examples of most points in their collected material.
Tried my luck at making a better point for some obsidian. Never worked with the stuff before. Nice stuff! Wanted to keep enough length for a knife but could see real fast it would be a bit short for that. Kept the stem and base straight. Not sure I like that variation as much. Does not look like the examples I have seen. Looks too much like what I think an Adena point should be like. Oh well, I ramble too much on things I dont know enough about lol. 2.75" in lenght, didnt measure width but I'd guess 1.5". Need to not take pictures in the shop, they never come out good. Cheers. Mike
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Hey Mike. I’m not forgetting about this challenge yet. I have a older calendar someone gave me. Is this the style point you described?
Bjrogg
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Bj, that looks to me like a Hardin, and a real nice one also. I made a Ashtabula a long time ago, see if I can find a pic. I have a Overstreet book but camera is giving me problems and I'm hi tech illiterate when it comes to these things. If I get it figured out will post Overstreet pic, found a pic of the one I made a long time ago, pretty crude. Bob
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It sure is a beauty ain’t it outback. I’m really poor with the history, names and regions. I always find it interesting though how many times I think. I made that style before and didn’t even know it existed. Totally by accident.
I’m hoping to finish one up here yet.
Bjrogg
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BJ, Hardins look so easy to make but to get that certain look on the barbs is real hard, Bob
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I’ve been learning that Bob. I’m not even done and thinking of starting over. I think I have a completely different strategy for the next one.
Bjrogg
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BJ, Ashtabula usually have one barb longer than the other and one appears to be rounder than other, makes them look wonky but that how the originals looked according to Overstreet. Late Archaic to Woodland, 4000-2500B.P. NE. Ohio and Penna. Bob
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Nice point Bob. Better than my best. And thanks for the explanation.
Bj right or wrong, in trying this point I make a triangle preform and get it about as thin as I dare before I work on the stem otherwise it may look like.... :-K
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Made several attempts over the past week or so. I spend more time on the stem to even out both sides but it still ends up asymetrical lol. After looking at the picture I think I should have narrowed the stems some more to be more like the originals. Going to post a pic of the group but think the dacite piece on the right is my best overall attempt even though the stem did not turn out as good as I wanted.I have a few more I worked down to bifaces but will leave it at this unless one of those turns out better.
Mike
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M2A, great set of points, and I to like the dacite one the best. One shoulder is longer and and one barb is rounder than the other, Just like Overstreet explains it, very nicely done. Bob
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Thanks Bob. Always a challenge to know when to stop. "Just a couple more flakes....lol
Mike
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Thanks Bob. Always a challenge to know when to stop. "Just a couple more flakes....lol
Mike
Seems like it never gets easier.
It’s always easier when you know it was before you just snapped it in two.
Bjrogg
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I’m still not certain exactly what my point is supposed to look like. I started out imagining something different and switched to what I have.
It is based more off Outbacks old point and it’s a little crude to.
I’m not completely finished yet but this is what I have so far.
I could still make some changes.
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BJ.Here are a couple of pics from Overstreets Book, these are supposedly originals with conditions and where found. Hope these help and come thru alright. we shall see. Wow the pics are pretty rough also, Bob
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Looks like your on the right track BJ. I have been trying to read up better on this in the past week or so. Seems stemmed points of this general style from this period were made from New England to Fla. What seems to set this apart...Stem is generally longer than others with an "expanding" base, base of stem is straight or slightly concaved, and shoulder is tapered(to the best of my knowledge that is where the stem goes to meet the blade. The angle to that is more obtuse imo). Maybe not the best explanation but looks like the pictures Bob supplied shows that well. I think in the points I made I exarggerated the concaved base a bit on most of them. Looks like you well on you way tho.
Mike
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ive messed up on all my stems that ive tried to make. im getting low on rock so im going to need to move back to debatage knapping and making smaller points. ill post pics as soon as i get one right!