Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Primitive Skills => Topic started by: perry on September 09, 2007, 04:35:39 am
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Its all too much for me fella's , The compound mob and all there technology have stolen our saving grace -" SIMPLICITY " . Being somewhat distanced from the marketing wheel by distance it takes a little while for the latest gadgets to filter Downunder and I'm usually left with a self satisfied feeling that they ' just don't get it ' - Archery is meant to be a simple sport , stick and string , man utilising nature , that sort of thing
No the buggers have devised a gadget called FOB that is a round bit of plastic with 3 fins surrounded by another bit of plastic [ moulded one piece ] that slips over the end of there carbon arrow and replaces fletches , bloody things so simple its brilliant . Saving grace is you need a techno drop away rest to use it so it wont further water down modern traditional , Just had a thought - please dont make a soft one for shooting off the shelf . This one really bugs me - Its all too much . Leave the simple things to us thankyou . regards Perry
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have ya seen the sight for instinctive shooters? ???
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uhhhh, sight? For instinctive shooters? Please explain, but I don't think I really want to know......
I've heard of those FOBs, they are crazy, I've seen videos of the guy who designed them, and I got the messege that he actually didn't want to keep it simple, he wanted to change from using feathers simply because they have been used for a while. Wierd.
Sean
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http://www.3riversarchery.com/Product.asp?c=44&s=144&p=0&i=8176X ;D
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I see the DAS[instinctive?] sight as a variation of an existing tool , and am perplexed/interested enough with it that if I ever go techno recurve would give it a go . Back in the early 80's I was shooting all the technology I could buy simply because it fascinated me , still love technology just look for it in differant places ,rediscovering it actually is a great part of my primitive and traditional archery. regards Perry
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Ahh that stuff has been arround for thousands of years. Try taking a peice of fur and wrapping it arround the end of your arrow. Does the same thing! Its just a bit of drag in the air to keep the arrow pointed at the target. Anything like fur or somethin maybe even ... feathers! seems to work.
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I relise that fobs are just another lateral step from a primitive idea such of wraps fur and unsplit feathers and some other things being attached to the tail of arrows to create drag but wonder if they induse enough stability to steer broadheads , have any of you fella's tried this . regards Perry
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i am sorry but im not a complete traditional or primitve archer. i will hunt witha compound this year because my 40#longbow is insufficient. i would like to make a 50# osage(i will be starting one shortly)maybe i can drop copounds then because the longbow is more fun.
i' ve never shot them but i think FOBs are a joke and i think the are really ugly
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Me too! Its just another Gimmik. Shoot arrow, bust fob buy another Fob. I think they just wanted to FOB it off on us! ;D
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I really don't care for the technologically advanced bow--pretty much like I don't care for the technologically advanced lifestyle. I'm accustomed to it, and to spoiled by it in many degrees. That being said with all the technological advances there have been for archery....i.e. the scope, the balancers, the sights, the color coded ranging tabs, etc. it just makes me think, "Why not use a gun?" I mean why do people go with ALL that stuff, and then are still able to say "I bow hunt." Just bothers me. Go buy a really cool gun and kill a deer 600 yards away with your gun and brag about it. But, please don't compare the compound bow with all those gadgets to traditional "I just made my own bow out of wood from my own land, and sinew from a previous deer" No comparison in my mind.
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I agree whole heartedly! The reason most people I know of hunt with compound bows is that they can extend out the hunting season with them. They dont really care to, per say, bow hunt. But to just get more season in and kill a deer. God those things are more gun than bow and should be banned as being guns durring the bow hunting season. Just think how few of the yahoos would be in the woods if "Bow Season" was actually a bow season!!!
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while i agree very much with many of the thoughts expressed here, i need to say "don't hurt yourselves by justifying weapons are too advanced for hunting within a certain season". anti's would love to ban compounds from bow season. don't let them think they have hunters support.
now i know what you are saying, don't get me wrong. when i am hefting my flinlock and someone says i muzzleload too, while holding an inline with a scope i get very agitated. the thing is this, we all need to support anyone who wants to hunt, no matter what they are hunting with (within reason) - i hunted with a compound for many moons, then went to recurve, and finally to my own crafted wood bow. i enjoyed the transition, and the encouragement from fellas like you to switch. i am doing my damndest to convert others.
my point is, don't hate on others because you think you are right, they may be incapable of the skill and coordination it takes to shoot barebow. then we would have more anti's saying bows aren't good enough to take game again. ;)
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Keith is right, everybody has to stick together.Doesn't mean you have to agree.I hunt everything,every season.And we have alot and long one in Fla.I have about as many guns as I do bows and a proud member of NRA.All you can do is educate and stick together.
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Agreed. I would prefer to hunt with the traditional weapons, but hunting in general is a great thing regardless of the weapon of choice. I was just pointing out that, in my opinion, why bother with all the technological advances in archery when you can just take a small step further and hunt with a high-powered rifle/scope combo? That's just my opinion, though.
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Yep! New stuff on the market is just there to put money in someone elses pocket and not your own.
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Here in Oregon we have a couple of hunting units that are traditional only. Some guns are less complicated than compounds.
Joel
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How about the muzzle loader with electronic trigger? Muzzle loaders werent meant to shoot 250 yards or more. Now they have a scope that, with milatary dots, helps you shoot farther than some rifles.
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I have killed deer with a bow of my own making, I have also killed deer with an inline scoped muzzleloader, and a compound and several calibers of high powered rifles. I know you guys won't like my view but no one kill was anymore special because of the weapon I was using. If Tennessee would open a rock season I would be out there chuckiing rocks at them too. The native americans shot the best bow they could make. If they would have found a way to improve its effectiveness they would have did so. I have heard it said our ancesters didn't use a bandsaw to help in cutting thier staves but only because they didn'y have one lol. If the indians would have had compounds it would be us on the reservations.
I love building bows. I love seeing my arrow hit where I am looking without using a sight. I enjoy hunting with compound as well. I know I can take the 35yd shot and hit where I want and have enough power to get a pass through. I enjoy hunting with my firearms as well. One day I would like to kill an 8pt buck with a smokepole, a handgun, a shotgun, and even (say it ain't so) a crossbow.
This is a primitive archery forum and while we all enjoy the primitive side we have to remember when it comes to hunting we need everyone. If it were not for all the gun hunters and compound hunters we could find ourselves in trouble in our fight against the anti's.
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Ron I agree with ya that hunters support each other no matter what. But I also have to say I agree with makete in
that the manufacturers have gone to far with a electronic muzzleloader, I seem to remember a gun maker had an electronic rifle before
that failed. Just the other day there a news report on the radio about a bear hunter that shot a treed bear, the bear fell but came up fightin the dogs,
any way the hunter got mauled and bitten. And one of the guys at work says "good served him right" becuase he don't think its sportin to run dogs
and shoot a bear out of a tree. Pissed me of and I pointed out that he hunts deer over a bait pile from a heated shack with a beer in his hand. Then asked how sportin is that. Shut him right up. What really gets me about modern muzzleloaders is here in Michigan we have a separate muzzloader season it was not intended for these modern muzzleloaders but meant more as a primitive weapon season. I would love to see the state ban the moderns and make it as intended. I own a Knight inline and I love it, I use it during regular rifle season though. So yea support other hunters rights but when is enough already? "Only when people quit buying the manufactures lastest can't live without it gadget"
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i am sorry but im not a complete traditional or primitve archer. i will hunt witha compound this year because my 40#longbow is insufficient. i would like to make a 50# osage(i will be starting one shortly)maybe i can drop copounds then because the longbow is more fun.
i' ve never shot them but i think FOBs are a joke and i think the are really ugly
I dropped in and had a chat with Ed Ashby while he is in the country last night and got a sneak preview of his 2007 arrow penatration study and confirmed what the primitive people of this world have known for thousands of years and I worked out over the years by looking to the past to solve why my good shoots on game made with my selfbow and arrows sometimes lead to a long tracking job , David , your 40 pound bow with correctly matched shafts , 25% or greater forward of centre arrows , mass of in excess of 650 grains [ heavier is better ] will shoot through a deer and reliably penatrate bone if struck , of course broadhead type and constuction influence bone penatration as well , 2 blade , single beval edge and tanto type point prove best . Momentum is the key not kinetic energy as being touted by the compound manufacturing mob as they realise trad gear generally can't generate the speed or kinetic energy levals a compound can and in the name of marketing tell lies that influences legislaters all around the world and has unfortunatly become ingrained as fact in todays bowhunting world . regards Perry