Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: RyanY on December 04, 2012, 06:10:24 pm
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Wanted to make one but had enough for two of the same design. Yin and Yang! Stats are the exact same for both bows. Hickory, 56" ntn 50#@28". 4" handle and 3" fades, handle is 1 1/4" wide, 1 5/8" wide at the fades with a convex taper to 3/8" tips. Back trapped to 1/2 the width of the belly. Heat treated and retains over an inch of reflex. What was left of the cambium has been painted over to empasize the theme. The best part about them is that I only had to make one string! Thanks for looking!
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Twins..... ;D..........Very sweet tiiler on those charcaters.. ;D
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That is some pretty tiller right there.
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Wow, you have mad skills. Beautiful tiller punctuated by a super unbraced profile.
I have a hickory finishing up I was thinking about posting, but it would look bush league compared to these.
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great tiller, those bows look so simple, but probably very effective too....
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Beautiful. The unbraced profile on both have about the perfect amount of reflex. The fulldraws are perfect like always as well, but I'm starting to like your unbraced profile pics better, ;D.
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Very nice bows! Jawge
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Pretty cool Ryan. Nice job.
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Awesome tiller on both, nice job. I like your idea
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I've noticed a lot of your bows are very slightly whipended. Is this intentional and does it positively affect performance for you?
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Thanks guys.
rps3, Compared to a lot of the bows on here my finish work is sub par. It's all relative. Thanks for the kind words.
Dictionary, what I consider to be whip tillered is when the tiller is incorrect because it bends far more in the outer limbs than it should. Many of my bows are elliptically tillered which means they bend slightly more in the outer limbs than the inner limbs for even strain. Tiller should reflect the width profile of the bow so that mass moves efficiently. It is very intentional on my part. This "mass logic" as I've heard Badger (Steve) call it is what I consider one of the most important concepts in making well performing bows. Many people make all their bows with a circular tiller and more often than not I see bows that bend far too much near the handle. While they may work it is not good for mass distribution.
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Sweet...if u can do that with inferior wood I wonder what you could do with some "real" bow wood :P :laugh:
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Sweet...if u can do that with inferior wood I wonder what you could do with some "real" bow wood :P :laugh:
;D ;D ;D
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Sweeeeeeeeeeeet!
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Nice bowing bows Ryan. I like the layout and results.
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Thanks guys.
blackhawk and TMK, you guys are terrible. ::)
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Sweet...if u can do that with inferior wood I wonder what you could do with some "real" bow wood :P :laugh:
;D ;D ;D
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Come on really? Are those the actual current, after being shot side pics?
Amazing bows, I bet they're very fast!
How about the full draw pics with an archer. I really like to compare that photo to the tiller tree photo.
Well done
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Nice hickory sticks! Tiller looks great.
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Nice work,sweet looking pair. :)
Pappy
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Nice bows. I'm beginning to like the longer fades that have been posted recently.
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Nice work on those two bows, I like that black finish treatment look on the one. Tillers look real good but I too like to see full draw in the hands of the archer. Just something about seeing a bow bend in hand that appeals to me, make bow look more alive :D.
Greg
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You are putting out some really impressive bows Ryan. Very well done
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Sweet! I'm picking up some hickory this weekend up at Mullet's that Pappy sent. I can't wait to try that trapping. Would you change the ratio of trapped back with length of the bow?
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Text book tiller,perfecto!
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Very nice bows Ryan.Nice hunting length.Dead nuts tiller.Appropriate names for them.I really like my hickory here too.Heat treating them brings the mass weight down soooo much that they out shoot my hedge bows for speed.I like my handles at the shooting pass to be narrower though.I can't seem to get them to shoot dead on for some reason even though I try all kinds of different type spined arrows.Maybe it's just my release I don't know.
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Like them both, very clear tiller
simson
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Got it,I agree. ;) :) :)
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Thanks guys. I really appreciate all the comments. I'll see what I can do about a full draw pic. Its a pain trying to take them with a timer on my phone and I don't have someone to take them for me.
lesken2011, I really like that longer fade look too. Makes the bows quite elegant.
Parnell, I feel that reducing the width on the back to half that of the belly is safe for the bows I made. This is my experience but I would suggest working with caution. Maybe try less severe trapping at first so you can get a feel for it. I can get away with lot on my hickory bows. Lately, out of laziness, I've left all the edges sharp almost all the way through tillering and with no ill effects.
Beadman, I'm not sure what the issue is but I think my bows come out slightly heavier than they should even with the heat treating and trapping. But the reflex they keep and the way they shoot tells me I shouldn't worry too much. I'd like to test them just to know for sure. I can't say I'm a very good shot with many of my primitive bows but I think the width isn't too bad on these ones. Any wider and it wouldn't be comfortable for me. To each their own.
Marc, Pappy, Thanks for the kind words. It means alot.
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LOOKS GOOD
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Thanks guys. I really appreciate it. :)
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Whats to be said.....
Those are perfection. Un-braced pictures say it all.
If you are ever stuck for inspiration on what type of bow to make next I'd like to see a recurve from you......really sharp recurves, 62 in ntn and a 27-28 inch draw, non bending handle ,unbacked and able to shoot 180fps at 10gpp....why? because I think these are the hardest to make style of selfbow and I just want to see what you come up with ;)
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Great bows lovely tiller.
Only had to make one string... :laugh:
Del
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Thanks guys!
mikekeswick, I have one thats similar in the works. Had to put it aside while waiting for a new heat gun. It's not top priority but I'll get to it eventually. I just love my straight bows so much! :laugh:
Del, I'm starting to think I should make all my bows the same lengths. :P
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Sounds good Ryan, thanks for the info. I'll probably try something a little more conservative.
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Ryoon how many times has each been shot at full draw, approx?
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Probably about 100 give or take. The black one was finished first and there was a delay to make the white one so it has a few more shots through it. Just unbraced reflex stands at about 3/4".