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Main Discussion Area => Arrows => Topic started by: Sasquatch on April 24, 2013, 12:33:40 am

Title: Pine Arrows
Post by: Sasquatch on April 24, 2013, 12:33:40 am
I was tired of paying 35$ for PO arrows that lack the duribility that I need.  I mean I am not that great of a shot.  I saw George's pine arrow link on his website.  I took his advice.  Straight grain white pine boards from Lowes 6$ and it yeilded 15 1/2x1/2 in blanks.  I ran them through the Veratos dowell cutter.  with alittle tapering and some sanding i now have 40-50 arrows.  They are 3/8 in and spine from 40-60 #.  I found that the pine with more rings/inch would spine higher.  I had to taper them so they would fit the 11/32 points and nocks.  The cresting paint is Testers and the orange is some engine spray paint.  I cut the feathers with a feather chopper.  I really liked the process, and the price is right.  Enjoy
Title: Re: Pine Arrows
Post by: Sasquatch on April 24, 2013, 12:37:16 am
Just in case you cant turn your head  :D
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Post by: ionicmuffin on April 24, 2013, 12:40:32 am
Wow! nice set of arrows! great job on them!
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Post by: Olanigw (Pekane) on April 24, 2013, 11:01:15 am
A little work and you can get some excellent results!
I'm sure even with your "labor costs" you came out way ahead!
Title: Re: Pine Arrows
Post by: Carson (CMB) on April 24, 2013, 11:37:38 am
They look nice.  I am curious, how does their durability compare to POC?
Title: Re: Pine Arrows
Post by: Sasquatch on April 24, 2013, 12:49:49 pm
Thanks Guys.  I think that they are more durable. I always hit the steel post in my 3D deer target leg.  The PO break all the time.  I haven't had one pine break yet.  But let me do more research this is the first set.
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Post by: Trapper Rob on April 24, 2013, 02:23:34 pm
Nice arrows.Where did you get your dowel cutter at.
Rob
Title: Re: Pine Arrows
Post by: Sasquatch on April 24, 2013, 03:08:24 pm
Veritos tools they are like 30$.
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Post by: paulsemp on April 24, 2013, 03:12:26 pm
I was checking out those cutters , do you cut them by hand or drill ?
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Post by: ionicmuffin on April 24, 2013, 05:28:52 pm
A drill is needed. I have one of the veritas dowel cutters; they work well and created a lot of "pencil" shavings. My suggestion is to wear a mask during production. The dust created by cutting the blanks, as well as when you make the blanks into dowels, is enough to chock a cow!
One question for you Sasquatch. How did you taper the shafts? I'm very interested to find out how you tapered them, especially since I need to make a set of arrows myself. Would you consider doing a build along?
Title: Re: Pine Arrows
Post by: Thesquirrelslinger on April 24, 2013, 05:32:47 pm
Nice.
I like them. I use a scroll saw to cut 1/2 inch pine boards into 1/2x1/2 blanks... but my arrows do not look that good.
Title: Re: Pine Arrows
Post by: lostarrow on April 24, 2013, 06:59:08 pm
I use  a vacuum set up above the cutter . No mess.  I catch the arrow at the outfeed with fine sandpaper  .Two birds with one stone.
Title: Re: Pine Arrows
Post by: Danzn Bar on April 24, 2013, 09:08:48 pm
Very nice ..............One of these days I'm going to invest in a dowel cutter.  What is your thoughts on the Veritas?  Pros and Cons.
Thanks
D Bar
Title: Re: Pine Arrows
Post by: lostarrow on April 24, 2013, 10:58:45 pm
I like it. Cheap,quick,easy, small and easy to store, what's not to like? The initial set up took a little tweaking ,but once that was done, on problems. Works well on hardwoods as well. Good way to use up the off cuts from cabinetmaking.
Title: Re: Pine Arrows
Post by: Sasquatch on April 25, 2013, 12:03:42 am
Thanks for all the great comments! I really like the dowel cutter. Muffin man, I simply used a hand plane and role it as I plane. Then sand the shaft. Thanks for looking
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Post by: osage outlaw on April 25, 2013, 12:42:11 am
Nice set of arrows.
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Post by: crooketarrow on April 25, 2013, 08:49:31 am
  LOOKS GOOD
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Post by: RBLusthaus on April 25, 2013, 01:08:49 pm
nice looking arrows.

Russ
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Post by: Sasquatch on April 25, 2013, 02:05:51 pm
Thanks Osage Outlaw, crooketarrow, and RBLusthaus.  I really glad yall like them.
Title: Re: Pine Arrows
Post by: Paul F on April 25, 2013, 03:32:43 pm
Those my friend are awesome.

Paul F.
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Post by: richardzane on April 25, 2013, 10:22:57 pm
allright, dang it!.....now I have to get me one of those Veritas Dowel cutters!
has anyone tried putting shoots through it?
Title: Re: Pine Arrows
Post by: Sasquatch on April 26, 2013, 12:45:27 pm
With all the responce to the Veritos tool.  I decided to add some pics.
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Post by: Utmostcone on April 26, 2013, 10:56:52 pm
those look amazing great work!
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Post by: Tom Leemans on April 29, 2013, 12:45:47 pm
http://www.leevalley.com/US/wood/page.aspx?p=52401&cat=1,180,42288 (http://www.leevalley.com/US/wood/page.aspx?p=52401&cat=1,180,42288)

Direct link to the tool.
Title: Re: Pine Arrows
Post by: bubbles on April 29, 2013, 01:16:03 pm
That one is a couple hundred bucks Tom - Sasquatch,  you said you got yours for $30 - is that the "Veritas Dowel and Tenon Cutter"?
Title: Re: Pine Arrows
Post by: ionicmuffin on April 29, 2013, 01:33:02 pm
no, the one pictured is 30$
if you only get one of them. its not a tenon cutter either. the picture of the dowel cutter should be exactly as shown. but they do offer a package at the top of the list for around 120 or something.
Title: Re: Pine Arrows
Post by: lostarrow on April 30, 2013, 02:09:44 pm
If you really wanted to get into it in a big way, you could buy the one with changeable bushings for a few hundred. They have specific inserts for 11/32"  23/64" and 5/16"  .It would take a lot of arrows to pay for that one! around 10-12 dozen I figure. Even I don't loose that many arrows ;)
Title: Re: Pine Arrows
Post by: Griffin027 on May 01, 2013, 02:11:37 pm
I just recently bought the one with changable bushings and got the 11/32 adapter. For the 11/32 bushing and the main veritas it will run about 250.00, I have not had the chance to use it but I build alot of arrows and just got tired of spending 35+ dollars for arrows. I will let you all know how it works!  :)
Title: Re: Pine Arrows
Post by: Sasquatch on May 01, 2013, 04:33:41 pm
Cool that sounds great, keep us updated. 8)
Title: Re: Pine Arrows
Post by: Ink on May 01, 2013, 10:13:58 pm
Man Sasquatch you took all the good boards from our lowes. Now how am I supposed to try and make some? :P
Jason
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Post by: adb on May 02, 2013, 11:37:06 am
Brilliant arrows! Very pretty. I would shed tears of blood if I lost or broke one of those!
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Post by: ncpat on May 05, 2013, 05:57:17 am
Great craftsmanship! These look factory made. You must have a very steady hand to do the paint like that. 
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Post by: anasazi on May 05, 2013, 01:11:52 pm
Those are some sweet looking arrows. Great job and thanks for the info on the cutter.
Title: Re: Pine Arrows
Post by: Don on May 05, 2013, 02:37:00 pm
Sasquatch . Maybe you said and I mist it but do know how they [pine] came out for weight before paint and fletching?
I may have to get a Veritas tools and give it a go.
Title: Re: Pine Arrows
Post by: Dan K on May 13, 2013, 02:49:08 am
Here's a link to a great video showing how to make tapered shafts and make the jig to do it.  I would modify it a bit by adding a bottom channel to the jig and hooking the shop vac to the end to suck the dust through the holes and away from the shaft and paper.  It's on my to do list it just hasn't gotten to the top yet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L40qwNEtquQ
Title: Re: Pine Arrows
Post by: Sasquatch on May 13, 2013, 04:03:41 pm
Thanks every body.  i have made more arrows since then.  Don the fine ring boards, will yield 45-60lbs. and the wide ring boards will yield less on average 40-50
Title: Re: Pine Arrows
Post by: 4dog on June 11, 2013, 01:25:08 pm
Sqwatch , dont listen to jason,, hes just jealous he didnt get to Lowes first!
Title: Re: Pine Arrows
Post by: Don on June 11, 2013, 01:46:36 pm
Sasquatch . Sorry to take so long to get back to you. Thank you.
Title: Re: Pine Arrows
Post by: GreenwoodBlacksmith on September 03, 2016, 10:43:10 am
Can you share "George's pine arrow link" mentioned at the beginning of this thread?
Title: Re: Pine Arrows
Post by: Knoll on September 03, 2016, 11:10:54 am
George Tsoukalas' website is great resource!
Here's his pine arrow shaft treatise . . . . GoHere:http://traditionalarchery101.com/shafts.html
Title: Re: Pine Arrows
Post by: BowEd on September 03, 2016, 02:46:48 pm
Good arrows man.
Title: Re: Pine Arrows
Post by: GreenwoodBlacksmith on September 06, 2016, 01:13:15 pm
Thank you very much!
George Tsoukalas' website is great resource!
Here's his pine arrow shaft treatise . . . . GoHere:http://traditionalarchery101.com/shafts.html