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Title: Against Better Judgement
Post by: JonW on August 10, 2013, 03:29:22 pm
Here is a Sassafras bow I've made recently. Been waiting for a while shooting it before I posted it. I may still eat some crow but so far so good. This is the lightest physical weight wood I have ever laid my hands on. I cut it in May and roughed it out and chased a ring as soon as I got it home. Let it dry inside the house and tillered it out a couple weeks ago. It is 66" long and 2 1/8" at the fades tapering to under 1/2" nocks. 45" @ 28". The grouping pic is from 20 yards. If you have ever watched me shoot you will know this bow is a shooter! I'm not totally happy with the tiller but it draws and shoots so good I don't think I will mess with it.
Title: Re: Against Better Judgement
Post by: Strongbow on August 10, 2013, 03:39:03 pm
Looks really nice.  Is there a reason you chased a ring on this one?  I haven't seen too many sassafras bows but I thought you treated it like a typical whitewood and use the outer ring as the back.  This gets me excited to start on the 5" diameter sassafras tree I just cut on my uncle's place last weekend.  Peeled the bark and sealed the ends.  I'm waiting for it to dry some before splitting. 
Title: Re: Against Better Judgement
Post by: artcher1 on August 10, 2013, 03:42:28 pm
You're going to love that bow for the time it holds up. They make for a very fast and springy bow...............Art B
Title: Re: Against Better Judgement
Post by: osage outlaw on August 10, 2013, 03:48:28 pm
Nice bow!  Sassafras  ???  Don't see many bows made from that.  Great job on it Jon.  Hope it holds up for you.
Title: Re: Against Better Judgement
Post by: JonW on August 10, 2013, 04:02:27 pm
I chased a ring because of the bad things I've heard about Sassafras as a self bow. I figured most of the bows made from this wood were treated like other white woods and just had the bark taken off. I didn't trust the sapwood so I took it off. Time will tell if this one will hold together. I think 2 1/2" wide with a good heat treat would get you a 55# bow. The only heating I did to this one was to bend the tips a little. The smell of the wood is wonderful. Heating it made me think of warm apple pie.
Title: Re: Against Better Judgement
Post by: koan on August 10, 2013, 05:04:32 pm
Well I sure learned somethin here... The only root beer bows ive seen before had more sinew than wood, lol... I dint know it would hold up for a unbacked selfbow... Nice work!... Brian
Title: Re: Against Better Judgement
Post by: half eye on August 10, 2013, 05:26:23 pm
Jon,
    aint nothing wrong with that tiller, nice bend there.
rich
Title: Re: Against Better Judgement
Post by: Ifrit617 on August 10, 2013, 06:57:45 pm
+1 to what Rich said, looks real smooth.

Jon
Title: Re: Against Better Judgement
Post by: Danzn Bar on August 10, 2013, 07:27:40 pm
+2 what rich said! and +1 what OO said
DBar
Title: Re: Against Better Judgement
Post by: IdahoMatt on August 10, 2013, 08:11:07 pm
I sure love you bows.  Looks great to me
Title: Re: Against Better Judgement
Post by: Badly Bent on August 10, 2013, 08:13:46 pm
Looks good Jon and if shooting that well why mess with it. First sassafras bow I've seen also, whatever you did to it seems to have work very well.
Title: Re: Against Better Judgement
Post by: Roy on August 10, 2013, 08:20:14 pm
I guess it's Ok:)
Title: Re: Against Better Judgement
Post by: H Rhodes on August 10, 2013, 09:50:58 pm
That's the first one I have seen from sassafrass too.  Tiller looks good and the proof is in the pudding - good shooting.   What diameter do you reckon the tree was that your stave came from?   I have lots of it on my place but haven't tried it yet.  Great work as usual!
Title: Re: Against Better Judgement
Post by: JonW on August 10, 2013, 10:32:11 pm
Thanks guys. Howard the tree I made this one from was about 10" diameter. First time ever I could throw a ten inch across eight foot long log over my shoulder and head to the truck with it! If you tried that with Osage you would probably leave your gonads laying right where you picked it up :o
Title: Re: Against Better Judgement
Post by: dbb on August 10, 2013, 10:40:08 pm
Nice bow and good shooting!
Isnt it nice with surprises now and again  :)
Title: Re: Against Better Judgement
Post by: George Tsoukalas on August 10, 2013, 10:47:08 pm
It's a beauty! I like it.
I made one years ago. Yours is better. I couldn't chase a ring on the stave I had becasue they literally were paper thin.
Actually, the Thompsons give it a good mention in the Witchery of Archery.
Jawge
Title: Re: Against Better Judgement
Post by: JonW on August 10, 2013, 10:53:00 pm
Yeah George I read somewhere that the writer thought that trees with thicker rings were better suited for bows. This one had real nice rings.
Title: Re: Against Better Judgement
Post by: burn em up chuck on August 11, 2013, 10:09:08 am
  very nice

     chuck
Title: Re: Against Better Judgement
Post by: SLIMBOB on August 11, 2013, 10:14:13 am
Sweet.  Tiller looks good to me.  Very nice.
Title: Re: Against Better Judgement
Post by: Arrowind on August 11, 2013, 11:01:52 am
Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!   Looks cool.  Nice to try a differant and especially questionable wood with success!  Hope it shoots for years and years!
Title: Re: Against Better Judgement
Post by: Thesquirrelslinger on August 11, 2013, 11:18:14 am
awesome bow.
I recall Christian Soldier made a sassafrass self bow not too long ago(it was a tad before i joined PA)
Title: Re: Against Better Judgement
Post by: lesken2011 on August 12, 2013, 10:01:51 am
Sweet bow, Jon!! 8)
Title: Re: Against Better Judgement
Post by: Josh B on August 12, 2013, 10:06:47 am
Nice one Jon!  I haven't tried that wood yet as we don't have any where I live, but it's on the list.  Josh
Title: Re: Against Better Judgement
Post by: Christian Soldier on August 12, 2013, 10:31:48 am
Nice! I've made a sass bow very similar to that one and I think I'm going to try my hand at some sassy ELBs soon.  :)
Here's mine. http://www.primitivearcher.com/smf/index.php?topic=38158.0

I think the biggest reason most people have a bad experience is sass is most often found in sapling form with a high crown, and being a tension weak wood, its not going to turn out well. So try to find a bigger tree and make it wide, or as I've heard, round the belly and ELB it.

I really enjoy seeing other sass bows and I look forward to seeing more in the future.

I really do like it as a wood. Very light weight, easy to work, and some of the most prominent grain contrast I've seen. You should really try staining that with min-wax or something to bring out the grain.  :D

Title: Re: Against Better Judgement
Post by: Knoll on July 29, 2015, 10:44:51 pm
I'll be happy if mine is even close to those bends! 
Ya did, however, forget one detail . . . where's the arrow shelf!   ::)
Title: Re: Against Better Judgement
Post by: JW_Halverson on July 29, 2015, 10:50:37 pm
Huh?  How the heck did I miss this one??? 

Nice!
Title: Re: Against Better Judgement
Post by: lebhuntfish on July 29, 2015, 11:10:51 pm
Very nice one John! That's the first  sassafras bow I've seen as well. I remember the huge stave that Knoll had at mojam. That thing was as light as a feather. Looks like that one could be a good hunter as well as you are shooting it. Congrats, Patrick
Title: Re: Against Better Judgement
Post by: JonW on July 30, 2015, 10:19:09 am
Mike I cut a shelf in a bow ONCE. I know some like it but I couldn't stand the look of it. Pat maybe next MOJAM I will bring a load of staves and we can make Sass the "king" ::)
Title: Re: Against Better Judgement
Post by: Onebowonder on July 30, 2015, 10:48:56 am
<snip>...we can make Sass the "king" ::)

That sounds like a good plan to me.  I mean, what fun is it to live in the middle of the Osage Kingdom if we don't have an occasional pretender to the throne sallie forthe and promote the superiority of his claims to the crown!!!

Awesome bow by-the-by...


OneBow
Title: Re: Against Better Judgement
Post by: lebhuntfish on July 30, 2015, 11:06:05 am
<snip>...we can make Sass the "king" ::)

That sounds like a good plan to me.  I mean, what fun is it to live in the middle of the Osage Kingdom if we don't have an occasional pretender to the throne sallie forthe and promote the superiority of his claims to the crown!!!

Awesome bow by-the-by...


OneBow


Good idea John! I would for sure try a sass bow! Patrick
Title: Re: Against Better Judgement
Post by: Knoll on July 30, 2015, 06:38:01 pm
maybe next MOJAM I will bring a load of staves and we can make Sass the "king" ::)
Dvs may disavow us . . . . . . . . .  :o
Title: Re: Against Better Judgement
Post by: Onebowonder on July 30, 2015, 07:10:08 pm
maybe next MOJAM I will bring a load of staves and we can make Sass the "king" ::)
Dvs may disavow us . . . . . . . . .  :o

He might threaten to, ...but then he'll jump in and build one himself. 

OneBow
Title: Re: Against Better Judgement
Post by: lebhuntfish on July 30, 2015, 07:52:40 pm
You're right buddy, he only done just a little complaining about all the hickory this year. That is until he ate this rabbits I smoked!  >:D Patrick
Title: Re: Against Better Judgement
Post by: Badger on July 30, 2015, 10:36:49 pm
  A very well designed bow, held it profile perfectly. Love the tiller shape with the stiff out limbs. I bet that bow is a shooter.
Title: Re: Against Better Judgement
Post by: Dvshunter on July 30, 2015, 11:00:30 pm
That was a sweet little bow jon. Bring all the sass you wamt to mojam. Ill bring my own brand. 8)


I ll only work on the stuff if no one has a camera out. Cant prove it then it didnt happen
Title: Re: Against Better Judgement
Post by: lebhuntfish on July 30, 2015, 11:15:58 pm
That was a sweet little bow jon. Bring all the sass you wamt to mojam. Ill bring my own brand. 8)


I ll only work on the stuff if no one has a camera out. Cant prove it then it didnt happen


 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Patrick
Title: Re: Against Better Judgement
Post by: Del the cat on July 31, 2015, 04:55:36 am
Huh?  How the heck did I miss this one??? 

Nice!
Same way I did :-[
+1
Del