Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Shooting and Hunting => Topic started by: mitchman on November 30, 2007, 06:25:28 pm
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WARNING: extremely graphic and not for the week harted or people who cant hold their stomach
i started this post on a taxidermy forum i belong to, i have gotten so much feedback check it out.
this is a video of just how cruel humans can be.
i didnt finish it i only got half way through. couldn't watch anymore.
again be careful not to watch if you cant handle it.
i just thought some of you might want to see this. i posted it in hunting cuz its mostly related
http://www.taxidermy.net/forum/index.php/topic,54905.0.html
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Hey Mitchman,
I remember seeing this video ages ago (if it's the one I'm thinking of, but don't want to see to make sure), and being thoroughly disturbed. The sad part is that I feel some people associate these acts with all the people who hunt, trap, etc. when in fact it's people that are not even in this country. It also seems, to me, that the vast majority of folks who criticize hunting, trapping, etc. are the one's that are only exposed to videos / opinions such as this one. I think urban and suburban life for many American families have no idea where their meat comes from, where there water comes from, where there waste goes, and these are the things that perhaps some have no interest in seeing as long as it's "quick & easy" and their needs are met. That being said, if there only exposure to hunting, etc. are videos such as this one I can see easily why some may have a negative view on such things. Which is a sad, sad thing.
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The next time somebody watches one of these just remember where Wally world get's most of there winter clothes.And when you give the SPCA your $10 donation,just remember they have one of the biggest Anti-Hunting lobby groups.
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I love to hunt, but I dislike hunters (well, not primitive archers anyway. Seems selfbows affects their psycies in a positive way- who'd'a thunk it ;)?). I also hate killing. But, the meat is GOOD, the skins are warm, and the sinews have a million uses. And if we didn't hunt 'em , some yahoo would kill 'em, use just a portion, mount the head on the walls, and toss the rest. OR starve, get hit by a car, or million other much worse deaths.
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They don't treat their people much better. You are a product of your environment. I refuse to buy ANYTHING with the words "Made in China" or from Walmart since they quit promoting keeping jobs in the USA! My family gets along just fine! God Bless The USA and all the men and women fighting for her!!!!!!
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I love to hunt, but I dislike hunters
That's the kind of attitude that will get hunting outlawed. Why do you dislike hunters in general, just out of curiosity? I haven't noticed that you have to be a primitive archer to be likeable or a good hunter. There are a few bad apples out there, but no more so than in any other activity. Most people I know who hunt, primitive or not, are a lot more down to earth and respectful of nature than the average suburbanite or environmentalist.
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Funny i bring up these Anti-Hunters on here. I get smacked by the Moderrators. These freaks are showing Graphic Video's. So whatz with that. Where is the primitive army now on this subject. Saying all that united we stand, united we fall. That includes all hunters, Trappers & fisherman. They won't stop until they get us all.
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I love to hunt, but I dislike hunters
That's the kind of attitude that will get hunting outlawed. Why do you dislike hunters in general, just out of curiosity? I haven't noticed that you have to be a primitive archer to be likeable or a good hunter. There are a few bad apples out there, but no more so than in any other activity. Most people I know who hunt, primitive or not, are a lot more down to earth and respectful of nature than the average suburbanite or environmentalist.
Sigh, you would only have to listent to some of what is said by the "hunters" around here during rifle season :-\. Some of it would just break your heart.
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Just realize that the vast majority of hunters aren't like that. Everybody with a gun or bow in their hand isn't a hunter, either. The whole "horn porn" thing and the people who try to manage deer like livestock put a bad taste in my mouth, but as lilmoosecountry said, we all stand or we all fall together, so we better learn to get along with each other.
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Sigh, you would only have to listent to some of what is said by the "hunters" around here during rifle season :-\. Some of it would just break your heart.
Some!!!!!! I hunt with a rifle, does that make me bad too.
United we stand, divided we fall..... words to live by. Justin
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Actually dividing hunters is one of PETA'S favorite tactics. Divide and conquer!
Thier are slob hunters everywhere, gun or bow. >:(
Here in Michigan under treaty rights from 1836 the indians have liberal seasons and bag limits different from what everyone else has.
Some are good about it and some are complete pigs. So should I hate the indians? Don't think so!
I have no tolerence of any slob hunters whether they are using gun or a bow.
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I have no tolerence of any slob hunters whether they are using gun or a bow.
Same. Around here, ethical hunters are the exception, not the norm. I like hunters (ethical hutners- I can't stress this enough) alot more than I like anti-hunters. I was told that someone would rahter have deer heards starve than be shot. And looking at some of the people around here, most of who would poach without a second thought. Easier has become better, and cheating has become "necessary".
Until recently, the only "hutners" I've met were people who simply enjoyed killing. My own family has had their lives trheatened by tresspassers who wanted so badly to kill a deer.
And Justin- my father, brother, and I all hunt with rifles. My father has tuaght my brother and I respect, and I've learned even more from the people around here. But around here the rifleman to archer ratio is pretty out of proportian.
On the bright side, it seems that most of my peers in school aren't taking up arms with the older bands of hunters, but instead are looking at it all as a potential for meat and time spent in the woods. Unfortuantely, they are still slightly outnumbered.
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I cannot stand Poachers. But at the same time. I think there will be allot more poachers in the future. If the PETAfiles get there way & ban Hunting. Let me put like this. I will not stop hunting just because PETA may be successful. They have been very successful banning many species in many parts of the country. From doves to bears. I follow all conservation laws many make allot of since. Like a certain species #'s are real low in one County. Well i understand & agree. But i will not follow one law that is backed with PETA's support.
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Just realize that the vast majority of hunters aren't like that. Everybody with a gun or bow in their hand isn't a hunter, either. The whole "horn porn" thing and the people who try to manage deer like livestock put a bad taste in my mouth, but as lilmoosecountry said, we all stand or we all fall together, so we better learn to get along with each other.
Agreed!!! Horn PORN!!! I am not going to shoot this tender eating button buck. That we have a surplus of. Instead i am going to kill this 29 point buck. So that i can mount his head on the wall. Never mind you have to use a chain saw for a steak knife. When your eating him. Thats How bad it really has become.
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I had buttonbuck steaks for supper night before last. ;D
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Dam it now i'm HUNGRY. Thanx Hillbilly!!!
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Exactly! Lilmoosecountry said what I was thinking, but put it WAAAAY better than I did :-X!
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I shot a nice big nanny Sat, and the steaks were great. There is a big difference between what we do in hunting and trapping, than the puppy mills/fox mills ect... They are just plain evil and will have to answer for it someday.
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Couldn't watch much of that. It's sick. I do have some questions. Who was filming that and why were they filming it? I can't see any reason for filming such a thing. Things just don't seem to add up here
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I shot a nice big nanny Sat, and the steaks were great. There is a big difference between what we do in hunting and trapping, than the puppy mills/fox mills ect... They are just plain evil and will have to answer for it someday.
Unfortunately the PETAfiles don't see that way. They try to associate the practices of these sickO's with what we do as hunters. Peta filmed that. Thats who. They send investigators in to the film. The sicko's are the PETAfiles for filming this junk in the first place. Please don't don't associate the ASPCA with PETA. Ingrid is a sick freak. If this wasn't a family site i would share some choice words with that witch
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Sorry but the truth is ,the ASPCA and the Humane Society are two well backed Anti-Hunting Organizations.
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Like Eddie said ......bob
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Sorry but the truth is ,the ASPCA and the Humane Society are two well backed Anti-Hunting Organizations.
Yes, don't get me going on those two. :-X They will take grandmas dog away if it sneezes and she don't take it to the vet. Justin
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Sorry but the truth is ,the ASPCA and the Humane Society are two well backed Anti-Hunting Organizations.
Yes they are i agree.They do there bidding in washingtion while PETA does other things. In fact there tactic's don't go to the extreme that PETA does. Like taking over time Square & pooring Cowsblood over themselves in protest. PETA is also part of the Animals Rights Liberation. That Organization has been responsible for stealing animals & Burning down businiesses. They are also an Organization that the FBI considers a terrorist Oragnization. Because of such activities. Even the humane society & ASPCA think that Ingrid & her sick freaks don't do anything good in there movment.
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There's a lot of interesting opinions here. My direct experience with groups like PETA and HSUS has been that I'm better off to prove them wrong than to get caught up in the name calling and mud slinging. They rely on their anthropomorphic viewpoints where all animals have the exact same capabilities as humans when it comes to emotions and feelings. B.S.! I once entered an area where I was removing deer for the good of the population and crossed a bridge on to this wealthy island community and was greeted with a brand new piece of 4by8 plywood painted in red,"MAY YOU BURN IN HELL DEER KILLERS". PETA and HSUS have pockets and resources(like lawyers and politicians) that are bottomless. Everyone that enjoys the outdoors with or without a bow, rifle, or shotgun must respect each others choices in order to keep the freaks away from our ethical endeavors in the outdoors. Use your head when dealing with this type of individual and don't get caught up in the drama trap that they set. Educate the ones in our ranks that give us a bad name and continue to enjoy our pastimes.
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Personally i think there is room for both. I believe that you should educate people. But i subscribe my self to the take no prisoners method of Ted Nugent. They are Chimps. If they were as Educated as these think they are then we would not have groups like these. Man is top of the foodchain. Plain & Simple. Salad Eater's can eat what they want just don't tell me what to eat. But then i believe the world is only 2000 yrs & some change. I here all this crazy nonsense on that subject. I SAY HMMMMM!! Who determined that man. That's is mans interpretation not a higher powers thaughts on this matter. So when the PETA gets on there high horse. I say that just one groups opinions.
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Anyone else think the whole "dumping paint on furs" is even more of an insult to the animal than the person wearing? The one little bit of "good" taht may have come from it's death is being trashed?
But then again, most of them would prefer deer to starve to death than get shot, wouldn't they :(?
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Just realize that the vast majority of hunters aren't like that. Everybody with a gun or bow in their hand isn't a hunter, either. The whole "horn porn" thing and the people who try to manage deer like livestock put a bad taste in my mouth, but as lilmoosecountry said, we all stand or we all fall together, so we better learn to get along with each other.
Agreed!!! Horn PORN!!! I am not going to shoot this tender eating button buck. That we have a surplus of. Instead i am going to kill this 29 point buck. So that i can mount his head on the wall. Never mind you have to use a chain saw for a steak knife. When your eating him. Thats How bad it really has become.
I am not a bone hunter but those big antlers can get your heart pumping. I remember seeing a 180" deer hunting with my brother. I was shakin so bad. There really isnt a hunter who doesnt get excited when they see a big buck.
I am a memeber of PETA we all are! ;)
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People for The Eating of Tasty Animals
there is room for all God's creatures right next to the mashed potatoes ;D
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I am not a bone hunter but those big antlers can get your heart pumping
Of course, seeing a good buck gets my heart pumping too. :) I was referring more to people who don't see the rest of the deer that's attached to the horns. If I ever get to the point where seeing a forty-pound doe fawn coming through the woods doesn't get my heart pumping, I'll quit hunting.
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ya anything will get my heart hunting I know what you mean
there were some people who shot deer and cut their heads then let the rest lay
I would of taken away their hunting rights for life
the few scum make the rest of us hunters look bad
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There's a lot of interesting opinions here. My direct experience with groups like PETA and HSUS has been that I'm better off to prove them wrong than to get caught up in the name calling and mud slinging. They rely on their anthropomorphic viewpoints where all animals have the exact same capabilities as humans when it comes to emotions and feelings. B.S.! I once entered an area where I was removing deer for the good of the population and crossed a bridge on to this wealthy island community and was greeted with a brand new piece of 4by8 plywood painted in red,"MAY YOU BURN IN HELL DEER KILLERS". PETA and HSUS have pockets and resources(like lawyers and politicians) that are bottomless. Everyone that enjoys the outdoors with or without a bow, rifle, or shotgun must respect each others choices in order to keep the freaks away from our ethical endeavors in the outdoors. Use your head when dealing with this type of individual and don't get caught up in the drama trap that they set. Educate the ones in our ranks that give us a bad name and continue to enjoy our pastimes.
They dont just attack hunters. If you like riding a horse or using pack animals to cary your stuff they are YOUR enemy. Not to mention they are the same isiots who wouldn't let you cut down a tree for bow wood. Different organization, same bunch of idiots. ;D Justin
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i meant my heart pounding not hunting I dont know what i was thinkin
that almost as bad as when i asked the mods to move one of my posts to the primitve skills and musings but it was already in there ;D
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And don't forget fish either.They always picket the Bass tournaments here.Fish have feelings,too.
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And don't forget fish either.They always picket the Bass tournaments here.Fish have feelings,too.
Fish have feelin's too ! OH PLEASE ! ;D..bob
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Hello everyone!
I'm new on the board, am happy to join this forum, and this conversation especially.
+loshe wawa kanawi nysayka. Great thoughts all.
I just saw that video and it makes me very sad. How can anyone do that to the people with four legs? It is about the most inhumane thing I have ever seen. What I want to know is why they were doing skinning them alive in the first place-- for sick pleasure or because it's more efficient?
PETA is an interesting phenomenen, and I think it largely stems from being pretty far disconnected from the land itself. I'm what you call an urban native (not Indian, but Siberian Nanai), but I am deeply called to the old ways of my own ancestors. As such, I wear buckskin for all my clothing, run a program in aboriginal lifeways, and try to learn, teach and promote the old ways of knowing the land. Guess that's why I'm here in the city.
Sometimes walking down the street in downtown Portland, I wonder if some random PETA person is gonna run up and thrash my coyote parka with paint. They don't know the long story behind those animals, the intensive amount of work gone into braintanning, sewing, resewing. But you can't really do anything about that. Seems like the only real way to change people's minds about hunting etc... is to get them into the land and to have deep experiences there.
The other part of my ancestry is Chinese, and I've struggled for my whole life to understand the strangeness that is the Chinese today. That video sure doesn't help, and really shows me how far apart my grandparents from two sides really are.
The thing is, all that's ancient history now. What I like about this forum here is that everyone here is taking responsibility for what is to come personally, by being proponents of another way of thinking-- ethical hunting, traditional hunting, even today by us as modern Americans. So we're not set in stone by where we come from. That's a relief for everyone I suppose.
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Welcome aboard kiliii, glad to have you. You will like it here.
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Welcome aboard, kiliii, I think that the "disconnected from the land factor" is at the heart of most of our problems today.
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Thanks everyone, good to be here.
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You're right about being disconnected. These folks that support these causes are the ones that wouldn't even survive if was 1820. I enjoy debating with them because 99.9% are hypocrits and don't realize the indirect killing involved with their clothing that they wear, the homes they live in, and the cars they drive. Happy holidays to all!
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Some of this stuff is horrible.I love hunting,mostly the eating part.If i were given a choice between a buck or a doe I would probably take the doe.My cousin saw people a fter a dove hunt throw the doves in the air and shoot them again,leave them on the ground,and go home.That's all I've got to say.
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adding to waht hillbilly said about primtive archers not being the only animal respecting hunters, my dad using a compound he shoots fingers and instinct but shoots regular rifle with scopes but he taught me to have great respect for animals.other kids that hunt often think its funny how much respect i have the animals i hunt and trap. But i will never lose respect for anything
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Sure wish I'd listened to my smart voice and NOT watched that dern video.... :-[
That one skinned critter blinkin'... Man... It don't take much to wack 'em in the neck and kill the dern things, geez!