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Main Discussion Area => Flintknapping => Topic started by: Zuma on December 22, 2013, 02:51:19 pm

Title: NC rhyolite
Post by: Zuma on December 22, 2013, 02:51:19 pm
Hi folks,
I am new here. I have been knapping for quite a while.
I am looking for some good quality North Carolina Rhyolite.
I will be traveling north to south sometime between Christmas
and New Years Day. I am willing to pay or dig for some good size stuff.
Thanks for any help or advise.
Merry Christmas all, Zuma
Title: Re: NC rhyolite
Post by: mullet on December 22, 2013, 04:28:57 pm
Try to get in touch with James Parker, robustus on this site, he has some good stuff or can point you in the right direction.
Title: Re: NC rhyolite
Post by: Outbackbob48 on December 22, 2013, 06:02:40 pm
Zuma, Fenton glass, Dacite, You better shift gears when you find some of that nc manrock. :o Whoa thats hard stuff.  Bob
Title: Re: NC rhyolite
Post by: cowboy on December 22, 2013, 07:22:18 pm
Yes it is and James has some of the best I ever pecked on :).
Title: Re: NC rhyolite
Post by: Zuma on December 22, 2013, 07:49:13 pm
Hey thanks Eddie, I will try and contact him.
I am still getting familiar with the site.

Bob, I hear ya about the toughness of the lithic.
I must have gotten a couple premo boulders that I made these with.
They were big so I got some awesome spalls off the outer coretex.
Harder to do as I got deeper into the rock. The big ones are 71/2" and
thinner than they look. lol

Paul, thanks for the endorsement.
Title: Re: NC rhyolite
Post by: Zuma on December 27, 2013, 01:14:40 pm
Well I have not had any luck contacting James and I will be on the road real soon.
So , I thought I would give this thread another try.
I should have titled the thread looking for NC Rhyolite.
Thanks, I hope youall had a great Christmas.
Zuma
Title: Re: NC rhyolite
Post by: nclonghunter on December 27, 2013, 11:38:52 pm
You may try a PM to Arapaho on here.....may have spelled it wrong...lol

I think his name is Joe
Title: Re: NC rhyolite
Post by: Zuma on December 28, 2013, 12:10:17 am
Thanks hunter,
I was hoping to trade heat treated jasper but time is running out.
Looks like the weather may take control.
Title: Re: NC rhyolite
Post by: Zuma on December 29, 2013, 08:34:30 pm
Well I am sitting here in Ashboro NC.
In the morning I will attempt to find the Baucom/Hardaway site.
I have always been intrigued by the research done there.
Here is a link--The Baucom Hardaway Site Project
Happy New Year all, Zuma
Title: Re: NC rhyolite
Post by: Ncsnipe on December 29, 2013, 09:42:00 pm
Hey Zuma, send me an email. Burngold2001@hotmail.com
Title: Re: NC rhyolite
Post by: mullet on December 29, 2013, 10:54:12 pm
Well I have not had any luck contacting James and I will be on the road real soon.
So , I thought I would give this thread another try.
I should have titled the thread looking for NC Rhyolite.
Thanks, I hope youall had a great Christmas.
Zuma

That's because I've been hunting with James all weekend in Ga. He should be home, now.
Title: Re: NC rhyolite
Post by: Zuma on December 30, 2013, 10:22:06 am
Burn,
Mail sent

Hey Mullet, I hope you boys have some braggin photos to show us. lol
look in your messages soon
Title: Re: NC rhyolite
Post by: mullet on December 30, 2013, 08:05:11 pm
Here's James email;  parkerflint-knapper@skybest.com.  And we all got pigs. lost a couple arrow shot when the rain started and lost blood trails so we went to rifles. I got one of James new horn-bow hybrids and a bamboo backed ipe, osage, recurve, both covered in Cobra snake skin.
Title: Re: NC rhyolite
Post by: Zuma on December 30, 2013, 09:45:11 pm
It was hard landing this sucker. Cleaning it is another kettle of fish.
Title: Re: NC rhyolite
Post by: Ncsnipe on December 30, 2013, 10:28:59 pm
Hey Zuma, it was nice talking to you. Sorry about the abrupt end to the call but my battery died. Nice chunk of rock you got there! Hope you're able to get some more.
Title: Re: NC rhyolite
Post by: Zuma on January 01, 2014, 11:16:58 pm
Mullet,
I would call your hunt a success x2.
I hope to do some hog hunting up in the Alabama Delta soon. Boat hunting.

Snipe, All is good. My phone always let's me down. A friend called me from back in Virginia.
He told me he worked at a zoo in the town of Ashboro back in the 90's. lol
I may go back that way after I reduce the Sheephead and redfish population down here on the Gulf Coast.
Zuma
Title: Re: NC rhyolite
Post by: Zuma on January 04, 2014, 09:04:16 pm
Well I tested my big chunk of rhyolite.
I hope there are 200 more left in the chunk. This stuff spalls very nicely.
Title: Re: NC rhyolite
Post by: caveman2533 on January 04, 2014, 11:55:09 pm
Zuma great point, that must be good rhyolite.  Lucky you.
Steve
Title: Re: NC rhyolite
Post by: Zuma on January 05, 2014, 12:21:04 am
Hey, thanks Steve. I would have never known it was rhyolite with out bustin a hunk off.
The cortex is pretty thick and chalky. Not a pretty point but sharp and durable.
Have you had any luck with the thin agate slabs I gave you at Pete's
last summer? lol
cheers. Zuma
Title: Re: NC rhyolite
Post by: caveman2533 on January 05, 2014, 09:29:43 am
I have them in the kiln now and will be grinding them soon as it warms up a bit.
PM sent
Title: Re: NC rhyolite
Post by: nclonghunter on January 05, 2014, 01:02:25 pm
Looks good to me
Title: Re: NC rhyolite
Post by: Zuma on January 07, 2014, 12:32:32 am
Steve, we are letting the water drizzle here in the Gulf tonight. (exposed pipes) I did get to knap in the sun this afternoon.
 Atlanta was 7 degrees at 8pm.
Looks like you may have to wait a bit to get out comfortably. We got no hogs, any fox?

Thanks longhunter
That may be the best of the lot. lol
The material really is diverse. The blank on the left is similar to the point I made. The blank on the right is way different in color and texture The hunk at the bottom is loaded with crystals and what looks like gold. Pyrite I guess.
Sorry about the tiny photo.
Title: Re: NC rhyolite
Post by: caveman2533 on January 07, 2014, 08:20:55 am
No fox started that freezing rain  just as I was getting ready to leave and the roads got ugly fast. So stayed home and ground some blades.  The rhyolite I have seen from down there seems to come in all different grades. Even from the same rock, one side good and one side not so.
Title: Re: NC rhyolite
Post by: Zuma on January 07, 2014, 06:20:23 pm
If this photo comes out ok you will be able to see the stark difference.
At least in the one hunk of rhyolite I found. The one on the left leaves a scale like look
almost like quartzite. (More greenish)
The one on the right is way smoother and gray. The (flow lines ?) are present in each but are more visible in the smooth gray. The flow lines can cause quite a chattering effect. Especially the white ones.
You-all stay snug and warm,Zuma
Title: Re: NC rhyolite
Post by: Zuma on January 13, 2014, 12:05:18 pm
Had a Chance before the rain this morning to snap this Perkiomen out of one of the preforms.
With a very primitive copper bopper. Works great. lol
For some reason when I resize lately the photos are way smaller than I would like.
Zuma
ps well that one came out fine.
Title: Re: NC rhyolite
Post by: caveman2533 on January 13, 2014, 05:50:45 pm
Nice point, but straiten the base and it will be perfect, and with copper no less, Must really be some good rhyolite. It looks nice and smooth.
Title: Re: NC rhyolite
Post by: Hillbilly on January 13, 2014, 06:46:31 pm
Nice Hardaway point there! Rhyolite is the sweet nectar of the gods. There is no better material on earth for hunting points. Except the rhyolite gods frown on hitting their wonderful creation with a copper bopper. :)
Title: Re: NC rhyolite
Post by: Zuma on January 13, 2014, 11:18:29 pm
Thanks Steve. That is one of the better pieces of the big chunk. About 10- 15  percent of the chunk is sweet and smooth. It flakes with almost any type billet but the flexy handle copper worked best.

I hear you Hillbilly. I would give this piece a higher  sharp/durable rating than any other chert I have knapped.
Although most of the chunk would rate just a 6-8. I will post a photo of a stemmed point I made from the 6-8 variety. I have knapped some nice green rhyolite but I prefer this banded gray.
Title: Re: NC rhyolite
Post by: caveman2533 on January 13, 2014, 11:21:56 pm
Looks almost like the green Normanskill with the black striping in it.


"rhyolite gods frown on hitting their wonderful creation with a copper bopper."   :)
Title: Re: NC rhyolite
Post by: Zuma on January 22, 2014, 01:53:09 pm
Hey Steve. I am sure you have seen a few of this style at Pete's.
Perhaps in a tougher man rock.
 Normanskill, in my opinion is sweeter and more lustrous. (waxy)
Although I think I got lucky with the hunk I am whackin at .
Title: Re: NC rhyolite
Post by: caveman2533 on January 23, 2014, 12:26:48 am
Thats right on tho. Nice form.  Broadspears are what tuns my crank.
Title: Re: NC rhyolite
Post by: Zuma on January 24, 2014, 01:10:54 pm
For those that are not familiar with the gray variety of  Normanskill chert.
And what I think to be a Vosburg type point. Could be considered a notched broadspear. LOL
Title: Re: NC rhyolite
Post by: Zuma on February 01, 2014, 12:52:39 am
I actually had a pair going here.
But the green material is fraut with more crystal growth and bugaboos than the darker material on the left.
I lost length and thinness on the second piece time and again.
You can see the hail Mary's in it. lol
I had to work very hard for these field grade points. :(
Title: Re: NC rhyolite
Post by: nclonghunter on February 01, 2014, 09:29:25 am
Fishing, Coronas and knapping....live is good 8)

That Rhyolite is a beast...
Title: Re: NC rhyolite
Post by: caveman2533 on February 01, 2014, 10:00:52 am
Fishing, Coronas and knapping....live is good 8)

That Rhyolite is a beast...


+1
Title: Re: NC rhyolite
Post by: Parnell on February 01, 2014, 11:49:07 am
I actually had a pair going here.
But the green material is fraut with more crystal growth and bugaboos than the darker material on the left.
I lost length and thinness on the second piece time and again.
You can see the hail Mary's in it. lol
I had to work very hard for these field grade points. :(

I may be doing the very same thing in a few hours, once I get outta work.
Title: Re: NC rhyolite
Post by: Zuma on February 01, 2014, 12:38:59 pm
Thanks fellas.
Today is Sheephead fishing or first Madi Gras parade. Maybe some crapperite knappin in the boat.
I switched out an old toilet this morning.
I hopethe weather get real good for my northern brothers too.
Zuma