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Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: Blaflair2 on July 21, 2014, 12:15:50 pm

Title: BIO calling it done
Post by: Blaflair2 on July 21, 2014, 12:15:50 pm
60" bbi r/d thing I got glued. Wondering how bad this part of the glue line is.
Title: Re: BBI in the works
Post by: Pat B on July 21, 2014, 12:18:39 pm
I very rarely makes backed bows because my glue lines are terrible. I usually put super glue in any voids in the glue line.
 What glue did you use? I have don this with TB glue or Urac.
Title: Re: BBI in the works
Post by: DarkSoul on July 21, 2014, 12:24:15 pm
I'm having a hard time seeing those glue lines with images that small. But sometimes the glue line are better than they appear. It is indeed important to know what glue you used. But sometimes you just have to reduce the width by 1/16" to get rid of those bad areas. It may just be near the edge of the lams.
Title: Re: BBI in the works
Post by: PEARL DRUMS on July 21, 2014, 12:27:52 pm
That is some funky colored Ipe. Is it narrowed down to finish size yet?
Title: Re: BBI in the works
Post by: Blaflair2 on July 21, 2014, 12:42:52 pm
It's 1 1/8". It was tb3 glue. It isn't finished sanded to dimensions. Planned on 1" or so. 60" long. The dust on the ipe is green.
Title: Re: BBI in the works
Post by: Blaflair2 on July 21, 2014, 12:43:56 pm
I planned on packing dust and glue in voids if they're still apparent once to finished dimentions. I plan on narrowing the tips more as well
Title: Re: BBI in the works
Post by: PEARL DRUMS on July 21, 2014, 12:49:36 pm
If they are still visible when its finished width, I would fill them with good CA glue and skip the dust.
Title: Re: BBI in the works
Post by: Blaflair2 on July 21, 2014, 12:51:10 pm
Deal ;) is 1" too narrow?
Title: Re: BBI in the works
Post by: PEARL DRUMS on July 21, 2014, 12:53:18 pm
Probably too wide at that short length. My 69" ntn HBI is 1" wide.
Title: Re: BBI in the works
Post by: Blaflair2 on July 21, 2014, 12:58:38 pm
How wide should I go then?!?
Title: Re: BBI in the works
Post by: PEARL DRUMS on July 21, 2014, 01:11:58 pm
More importantly is how thick is the boo, or how thin is the ipe. You don't want that boo crushing your ipe. The more narrow you go the deeper the ipe will have to be, that's good. I cant give hard numbers, start tillering it and watch it change. If your bow is still heavy and the belly is getting too thin, tiller the width down rather.
Title: Re: BBI in the works
Post by: DarkSoul on July 21, 2014, 01:13:30 pm
I think 1" wide is fine. Just remember you probably won't make it to 28". I think 26" is more realistic.

Where is the bad area located? How far from the tip or handle? Also, is it on both sides of the limb, or only on one edge?
Title: Re: BBI in the works
Post by: Blaflair2 on July 21, 2014, 01:43:35 pm
The ipe is 3/8" and the boo is 1/8" in center to 1/16" on tips. U don't think I can get 28" outta it? 60" bendy handle? The bad spot is about 8" from center.
Title: Re: BBI in the works
Post by: blackhawk on July 21, 2014, 01:49:46 pm
Get her narrowed down and down to bracing it,then see how she looks...if still some holes n gaps sand it in the areas,but dont blow the dust out and shoot some super glue in there....I think 28" out of it is totally feasible IMO
Title: Re: BBI in the works
Post by: Blaflair2 on July 21, 2014, 02:15:28 pm
Thanks guys. FINALLY got what I need to finish this d2 knife. Had to get my hands on another carbide bit. Broke about 150$ worth off drill bits on this knife. Once I finish that I'll be on to this. I have to get more belts for my sander as well.
Title: Re: BBI in the works
Post by: BL on July 21, 2014, 05:23:56 pm
Seems these guys have you taken care of on the glue-up.  I'll just throw in, nice tC.   ;D
Title: Re: BBI in the works
Post by: Blaflair2 on July 22, 2014, 04:37:43 pm
How far do I scrape the boo to get the rine off? I scrapped it some. It should be the woody part? Not the waxy feeling stuff?
Title: Re: BBI in the works
Post by: PEARL DRUMS on July 22, 2014, 04:50:12 pm
You will know bruiser. Its creamy and generally even colored while the rind can be blotchy looking. And it generally has a bit of shine to it.
Title: Re: BBI in the works
Post by: Bryce on July 22, 2014, 05:37:48 pm
another option is leaving the rind on. some scotch bright and steel wool cleans it up nicely and gives it a natural look.
but if you scrape the rind off, when you sand it out take it outside and look at your back under natural light and make sure all your scrapper dents/marks are gone.

The ipe is 3/8" and the boo is 1/8" in center to 1/16" on tips. U don't think I can get 28" outta it? 60" bendy handle? The bad spot is about 8" from center.

28" is definitely doable.
Title: Re: BBI in the works
Post by: Blaflair2 on July 22, 2014, 08:54:03 pm
Also if I want to dye the boo, what's best application?
Title: Re: BBI in the works
Post by: Bryce on July 22, 2014, 11:55:49 pm
Boo without the rind won't take a stain or a dye very well.
Title: Re: BBI in the works(now a tri lam) tiller check
Post by: Blaflair2 on July 28, 2014, 11:31:42 am
Well I ended up grinding the belly down and adding some yeller wood. I'm pretty sure it's bending in the handle a little much. It's 50@28". I'm not sure how bad my tiller is so I'm in decided about what to do. I shot it a few times. When I glued the osage on I apparently added more deflex. What y'all think?

I even pulled my pants up some ;)
Title: Re: BBI in the works(now a tri lam) tiller check!?!
Post by: PEARL DRUMS on July 28, 2014, 11:39:12 am
I think your lucky you don't have a black eye Bruiser! Those mid limbs need to bend a lot more. It looks like a sever RD, but it isn't. Its almost flat with long flipped tips.
Title: Re: BBI in the works(now a tri lam) tiller check!?!
Post by: Blaflair2 on July 28, 2014, 11:40:19 am
The r/d profile isn't something I've tillered before. So I did what I thought. It's all a sort of experiment n e whoo. It has a lot more deflex than it did. I forgot a pick of the profile. I'll try and grab one.
Title: Re: BBI in the works(now a tri lam) tiller check!?!
Post by: PEARL DRUMS on July 28, 2014, 11:46:03 am
I looked back at your original pics to see the profile. Get the center 8-9" bending enough to match the inners. Gonna take at least 5-8# to make it right'er.
Title: Re: BBI in the works(now a tri lam) tiller check!?!
Post by: Blaflair2 on July 28, 2014, 11:46:24 am
This is how it looks now
Title: Re: BBI in the works(now a tri lam) tiller check!?!
Post by: Blaflair2 on July 28, 2014, 11:55:44 am
Found a pic of my second glue up. I added more deflex as u can see in the pic.
Title: Re: BBI in the works(now a tri lam) tiller check!?!
Post by: Blaflair2 on July 29, 2014, 11:18:55 am
I got the tips coming around. It's getting kinda scary.  :embarassed:the smallest tips on a bow yet for me. I think it needs a little more but I think it's better.
Title: Re: BBI in the works(now a tri lam) tiller check!?!
Post by: Blaflair2 on July 29, 2014, 11:22:28 am
Also the top fade area has more deflex. That's what it looks to be bending more. U can sorta see it in the glue up pic.
Title: Re: BIO calling it done
Post by: Blaflair2 on July 30, 2014, 03:37:22 pm
So it's done. I like it. So fun to shoot. 38#@28". Nice comfortable target bow. Boy it's fast for its weight. What y'all think? Still gotta gussy it up.
Title: Re: BIO calling it done
Post by: NeolithicMan on July 31, 2014, 10:31:45 am
I got to shoot her the other day after work... in the dark. but still managed to peg just above the bullseye while bruce held a smartphone for a flashlight!  :laugh: Sweet draw, smooth release and very hard to give back. snappy little toothpick for sure. I would spend a long time just sending arrows down range or saluting the morning sun with this cool little tri- lam.