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Title: Hackberry ELB
Post by: blackhawk on October 23, 2014, 06:24:24 pm
This bow came to be made all because a good friend of mine said hackberry wont make an ELB in another thread  >:D ...to see the friendly discussion go here

http://www.primitivearcher.com/smf/index.php/topic,48275.0.html

So this came out adhering to the 5/8's rule,and that's all that matters to me to prove it can make an ELB.....76"ntn..its 1 1/4" wide by almost 1" thick at the handle...its been drawn and shot out to 30" where I reckon its 55-56lbs...osage tip overlays...hemp wrapped handle over a cork built up bulbous shape with a shelf glued on...20 ounces mass...and I tried to give it a yewish look with dye...its not quite as red as it is in the pics in person,and im not quite sure what to think of it yet  :-\  :D

(http://i1181.photobucket.com/albums/x436/blackhawk28/Mobile%20Uploads/100_2177.jpg) (http://s1181.photobucket.com/user/blackhawk28/media/Mobile%20Uploads/100_2177.jpg.html)

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Title: Re: Hackberry ELB
Post by: bushboy on October 23, 2014, 06:34:29 pm
Looks very nice!cool finish!
Title: Re: Hackberry ELB
Post by: Pat B on October 23, 2014, 07:02:25 pm
Very nice Chris. I never doubt your tenacity when it comes to bows, no matter what wood.   ;)
Title: Re: Hackberry ELB
Post by: Badly Bent on October 23, 2014, 07:35:09 pm
Pretty slick build Chris, excellent tiller too.
Title: Re: Hackberry ELB
Post by: Aaron H on October 23, 2014, 08:10:31 pm
Very nice tiller.  Did you put the reflex in it, or did mother nature?
Title: Re: Hackberry ELB
Post by: lesken2011 on October 23, 2014, 08:12:33 pm
Sweet!
Title: Re: Hackberry ELB
Post by: Joec123able on October 23, 2014, 08:13:31 pm
Even held reflex I think that says it all
Title: Re: Hackberry ELB
Post by: Danzn Bar on October 23, 2014, 08:27:10 pm
Boy...you've been into the long sticks lately.
The knot from the back looks like a belly button  ;D ;D
Nice looking bow
DBar
Title: Re: Hackberry ELB
Post by: bubby on October 23, 2014, 08:32:04 pm
look's good bad chris, but I wonder is this an exceptional piece of hackberry, I've only built one hackberry but I don't think it would have made an elb, as a flatbow it was thick
Title: Re: Hackberry ELB
Post by: blackhawk on October 23, 2014, 08:51:35 pm
Very nice tiller.  Did you put the reflex in it, or did mother nature?

that would be mother nature doing her thing  ;) ..I didn't induce anymore than what it already had to start with...which was 4",and 2 hours after unstringing tonight its sitting at 2 3/4"...I also didn't temper it persay either...I did have to move the limbs over some to align my string tracking,and tried to even it up a tad better trying to match each limbs profile...but theres still some subtle kinks as you can see
Title: Re: Hackberry ELB
Post by: blackhawk on October 23, 2014, 08:59:38 pm
look's good bad chris, but I wonder is this an exceptional piece of hackberry, I've only built one hackberry but I don't think it would have made an elb, as a flatbow it was thick

a good bowyer chooses his wood wisely  ;) its not a "dense" piece for hackberry persay,and it has a high ring count for ring porous wood(~35rpi) with not even a very good ratio of early to late wood....BUT its trump card lies in the fact that it came from the tension side of the tree,and is naturally reflexed to boot..ive found in my experiences with most species this to be excellent wood not wanting to give up much set
Title: Re: Hackberry ELB
Post by: wizardgoat on October 23, 2014, 09:04:53 pm
Nice bow! How does it shoot?
Title: Re: Hackberry ELB
Post by: Hrothgar on October 23, 2014, 09:19:10 pm
I'd say you dun it. That belly button must have been a challenge in tillering. Nice
Title: Re: Hackberry ELB
Post by: blackhawk on October 23, 2014, 09:23:09 pm
thanks to everyone for the replies  :)

@wizardgoat...shoots good enough for me..its no barn burner,but its a long bow and likes the heavier arrows(go figure  ;) ...) ....so to answer your question...like a longbow :)  smooth to draw,and steady in the hand on release  ;)
Title: Re: Hackberry ELB
Post by: bubby on October 23, 2014, 11:59:48 pm
look's good bad chris, but I wonder is this an exceptional piece of hackberry, I've only built one hackberry but I don't think it would have made an elb, as a flatbow it was thick

a good bowyer chooses his wood wisely  ;) its not a "dense" piece for hackberry persay,and it has a high ring count for ring porous wood(~35rpi) with not even a very good ratio of early to late wood....BUT its trump card lies in the fact that it came from the tension side of the tree,and is naturally reflexed to boot..ive found in my experiences with most species this to be excellent wood not wanting to give up much set

yeah good wood trumps it all ;)
Title: Re: Hackberry ELB
Post by: mikekeswick on October 24, 2014, 04:58:59 am
Sweet  bow.  8)
Title: Re: Hackberry ELB
Post by: Pappy on October 24, 2014, 05:18:10 am
Very nice job Chris,you could make pork out of a pigs ear.Like the dye job and the tillerl ooks spot on to me.  :)
  Pappy
Title: Re: Hackberry ELB
Post by: Gsulfridge on October 24, 2014, 06:41:21 am
Looks good Chris.  Nice finish and tiller.
Title: Re: Hackberry ELB
Post by: Marc St Louis on October 24, 2014, 08:37:57 am
Looking good.  I hope that knot is not working because I do think I see a bit of a crack on the bottom edge of it.
Title: Re: Hackberry ELB
Post by: blackhawk on October 24, 2014, 08:50:10 am
Very nice job Chris,you could make pork out of a pigs ear.
  Pappy

Lol  :laugh:  :laugh: ...thanks ;)
Title: Re: Hackberry ELB
Post by: blackhawk on October 24, 2014, 09:03:01 am
Looking good.  I hope that knot is not working because I do think I see a bit of a crack on the bottom edge of it.

Yeah...im aware of it...Even tho it was peeled and sealed it still checked a little there where theres a small open dark cavity there...it wasn't punky wood tho,and since the tree started growing new wood over top of it I didn't wanna drill it out,and it seemed "sound" from the belly side as well...I kept close watch of it,n it never opened further...and I didn't even shoot super glue in it until after I shot it in...at least its going with the grain,and if it opened more it wood just run along the grain staying well away from an edge...I'd just wrap it if it grew more...besides the point of the exercise is to show with the right piece of hackberry in the right hands can handle the elb cross section in compression,and we already know how crazy strong it is in tension... So who cares if it did let loose in tension ;) it has ~150 arras thru it so far,and i will keep shooting it to see how it fairs in the long run..so far so good ...if anything happens negative to it I will update...but if ya never see me update then ya known alls well
Title: Re: Hackberry ELB
Post by: Del the cat on October 24, 2014, 09:26:24 am
Excellent ELB with some character.
Nice one.
Del
The shelf is a bit naughty... If I wus dead, I'd be turning in my grave ::)
Title: Re: Hackberry ELB
Post by: IdahoMatt on October 24, 2014, 09:49:17 am
Nice work man.  She turned out nice.  I like the stain job.  That's one big bow I would look like a kid shooting that thing.  How is the shock.  I bet it draws smooooooth.
Title: Re: Hackberry ELB
Post by: Sasquatch on October 24, 2014, 10:59:20 am
I always look forward to seeing one of your bows.  8). I really miss your blunt honesty also.  I think we need a little more of that on this site.  It is good to see a post. 
Title: Re: Hackberry ELB
Post by: straightarrow on October 24, 2014, 11:04:43 am
Great bow Chris!!! Is that the hackberry we cut in the spring?

Jon
Title: Re: Hackberry ELB
Post by: PatM on October 24, 2014, 12:31:22 pm
In the growth rings on the belly side of the knot you can see your face staring back at you at the top.
 At the bottom is a chubby alien carrying a giant dog head on his right shoulder.
 Yeah, I see pictures in wood grain.  ;D
Title: Re: Hackberry ELB
Post by: osage outlaw on October 24, 2014, 12:41:14 pm
Nice bow BH.  Now go shoot a deer with it  ;)
Title: Re: Hackberry ELB
Post by: Arrowind on October 24, 2014, 12:51:39 pm
Cool  8)
Title: Re: Hackberry ELB
Post by: straightarrow on October 24, 2014, 01:45:20 pm
Nvm Chris i answered my own question when I went back and read. The stuff we cut had huge rings
Title: Re: Hackberry ELB
Post by: blackhawk on October 24, 2014, 04:59:00 pm
Thanks guys  :laugh: 

Pat...what r u smoking??? Gimme sum  ::) I see the face but not the alien and dog head

Matt its not really shocky..hackberry is a light wood so it does well in that regard

Yeah Jon this wasn't the stuff we cut...this came from the Ohio batch I cut a few years ago...I actually gave you a stave from this stuff when josh(gun doc) was over hanging out..he got one too n already made a bow from it...you ever finish yours?
Title: Re: Hackberry ELB
Post by: Carson (CMB) on October 24, 2014, 06:51:13 pm
Nicely done.  Impressive that it is holding that reflex.  Not sure about the yew dye job though...I say, let hackberry be hackberry. That is just me though.

Always enjoy seeing your bows. 
Title: Re: Hackberry ELB
Post by: SLIMBOB on October 24, 2014, 07:19:18 pm
Very cool.  Hackberry's ability to make a great shooter surprised me in the beginning.  It is still surprising me.  Great job!
Title: Re: Hackberry ELB
Post by: burchett.donald on October 24, 2014, 07:54:31 pm
Well, that is definitely an ELB made from hackberry ;) Looks long and smooth, nice work Chris.
                                                                                                                                              Don
Title: Re: Hackberry ELB
Post by: bradsmith2010 on October 24, 2014, 08:10:34 pm
nice bow congrats :)
Title: Re: Hackberry ELB
Post by: straightarrow on October 25, 2014, 10:43:27 pm
It's on my list to finish... Roughed it out and never got back to it
Title: Re: Hackberry ELB
Post by: Prarie Bowyer on October 26, 2014, 11:08:09 am
How did you do the dye?
Title: Re: Hackberry ELB
Post by: blackhawk on October 26, 2014, 11:20:14 am
How did you do the dye?

Painters tape then rubbed the dye in ;)
Title: Re: Hackberry ELB
Post by: Prarie Bowyer on October 26, 2014, 12:24:25 pm
What kind of dye?
Title: Re: Hackberry ELB
Post by: blackhawk on October 26, 2014, 01:28:12 pm
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