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Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: simson on January 25, 2015, 11:56:36 am

Title: Osage sinewed plains, Cheyenne style 54#/26“ (No. 58)
Post by: simson on January 25, 2015, 11:56:36 am: (http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/1501%20osage%20plains%20Cheyenne%20belly%20paint/P1030568_zpsa50b82fe-1.jpg)

This is no replica bow. It is a plains style 50“ long for a 26“ draw. The tips are flipped backwards, of course a bendy handle. Complete belly is painted with earth pigments (orange, red, bright ocre, dark blue)

(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/1501%20osage%20plains%20Cheyenne%20belly%20paint/P1030569_zps2f2d7b96-1.jpg)

(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/1501%20osage%20plains%20Cheyenne%20belly%20paint/P1030566_zps069a0423-1.jpg)

(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/1501%20osage%20plains%20Cheyenne%20belly%20paint/P1030577_zpsf9b6c62f-1.jpg)

(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/1501%20osage%20plains%20Cheyenne%20belly%20paint/P1030547_zpsda0dcd5b-1.jpg)
(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/1501%20osage%20plains%20Cheyenne%20belly%20paint/P1030529_zps8277a9a0-1.jpg)
(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/1501%20osage%20plains%20Cheyenne%20belly%20paint/P1030526_zps4151aeaf-1.jpg)
(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/1501%20osage%20plains%20Cheyenne%20belly%20paint/P1030531_zpse77c62e8-1.jpg)

(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/1501%20osage%20plains%20Cheyenne%20belly%20paint/P1030553_zps261376ad-1.jpg)

The backing is sinew in two layers, conventional done in two layers. The first at 2014 Feb 14, the second at 2014 Aug 27 – so call it a long lasting project, haha. Wood is about ⅔, sinew about ⅓ of thickness. At widest point 1¼” x ½”.

I tillered in November and dressed her up and finished her til now.
This bow holds a nice reflex of 5”.

Handle is brain tanned buckskin, cord is same material.

(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/1501%20osage%20plains%20Cheyenne%20belly%20paint/P1030511_zpsf7718a48-1.jpg)
(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/1501%20osage%20plains%20Cheyenne%20belly%20paint/P1030513_zpsea8bb010-1.jpg)
(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/1501%20osage%20plains%20Cheyenne%20belly%20paint/P1030550_zpsf0822486-1.jpg)

Double diamond nock on the bottom, single kerf on upper.

(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/1501%20osage%20plains%20Cheyenne%20belly%20paint/P1030541_zps7e0e9d1b-1.jpg)

(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/1501%20osage%20plains%20Cheyenne%20belly%20paint/P1030538_zps4cf61914-1.jpg)

(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/1501%20osage%20plains%20Cheyenne%20belly%20paint/P1030542_zpsfe17ebb4-1.jpg)

(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/1501%20osage%20plains%20Cheyenne%20belly%20paint/P1030522_zps414d54d3-1.jpg)

(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/1501%20osage%20plains%20Cheyenne%20belly%20paint/P1030544_zps6b3a33b3-1.jpg)

The tips are decorated on the back with sheeted mica (grounded mineral), applied in the wet glue. When the light comes from the back it looks like simple dark pigments, but when the light comes from the opposite the surface is shiny and sparkling (hard to take suitable pics).I saw this a while ago on a bow from Chuck Loeffler here on PA. Finally I found the drawing of the original in the book of Jim Hamm & Steve Allely (Encyclopedia). BTW. For me one of the most interesting books!

(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/1501%20osage%20plains%20Cheyenne%20belly%20paint/P1030515_zps69ebfa11-1.jpg)

(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/1501%20osage%20plains%20Cheyenne%20belly%20paint/P1030517_zps0a6e9b87-1.jpg)

(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/1501%20osage%20plains%20Cheyenne%20belly%20paint/P1030560_zps3c75b872-1.jpg)

(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/1501%20osage%20plains%20Cheyenne%20belly%20paint/P1030561_zpse9d11560-1.jpg)

Also in this book I found a nice belly painted Cheyenne bow. Thought I give the painting a try on mine. So this bow is a mix of some things found on different originals.

Only a few measurements are done for the painting, most just by eyeballing and freehand painting. A carefully sanding with 800 grit and rubbing in an oily dark brown pigment solution brought the desired antique look.
(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/1501%20osage%20plains%20Cheyenne%20belly%20paint/P1030242_zpsf19d8b87-1.jpg)

(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/1501%20osage%20plains%20Cheyenne%20belly%20paint/P1030245_zps33d861d6-1.jpg)

(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/1501%20osage%20plains%20Cheyenne%20belly%20paint/P1030509_zpsde3cbf9d-1.jpg)

a detail of the sinew backing

(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/1501%20osage%20plains%20Cheyenne%20belly%20paint/P1030558_zpsbcc10860-1.jpg)

and a view along the belly and the back

(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/1501%20osage%20plains%20Cheyenne%20belly%20paint/P1030535_zps4db9277a-1.jpg)

(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/1501%20osage%20plains%20Cheyenne%20belly%20paint/P1030533_zps9d49ac9b-1.jpg)

sorry for that much pics, but I like that little sucker

enjoy …!
Title: Re: Osage sinewed plains, Cheyenne style 54#/26“ (No. 58)
Post by: burchett.donald on January 25, 2015, 12:44:58 pm: Simson,
Gorgeous bend, paint, sinew work... 8) Very nice in ALL aspects...
Don
Title: Re: Osage sinewed plains, Cheyenne style 54#/26“ (No. 58)
Post by: Aaron H on January 25, 2015, 01:03:47 pm: Another beautiful bow Simon. The nocks and the paint are very cool.
Title: Re: Osage sinewed plains, Cheyenne style 54#/26“ (No. 58)
Post by: lebhuntfish on January 25, 2015, 01:58:02 pm: Very beautiful bow and as always an excellent tiller. I really like the finish work on it. Also your sinew is top notch!

Every time I see one of your bows posted I always make sure I read that post. Very nice, Patrick.
Title: Re: Osage sinewed plains, Cheyenne style 54#/26“ (No. 58)
Post by: wizardgoat on January 25, 2015, 02:13:41 pm: Everything about that one I like. Sweet bow!
Title: Re: Osage sinewed plains, Cheyenne style 54#/26“ (No. 58)
Post by: Jodocus on January 25, 2015, 02:52:50 pm: Sweetie cutie :-*
Title: Re: Osage sinewed plains, Cheyenne style 54#/26“ (No. 58)
Post by: NeolithicMan on January 25, 2015, 02:55:05 pm: That is one of my dream bows right there. Perfect as usual, love it
Title: Re: Osage sinewed plains, Cheyenne style 54#/26“ (No. 58)
Post by: hedgeapple on January 25, 2015, 03:01:56 pm: Beautiful bow, I started one similar 3 years ago. My sinew popped off because I didn't decrease the osage well enough. I haven't worked on it since. Your bow has inspired me to get back on that horse. Thanks.
Title: Re: Osage sinewed plains, Cheyenne style 54#/26“ (No. 58)
Post by: JW_Halverson on January 25, 2015, 03:14:00 pm: You went a looooong way to dress up this bow and make it look fancy. But the photograph of full draw with the ellipse photoshopped into it is what really speaks to me.

The tiller is excellent! No one can accuse you of hiding a poorly made bow with lots of fancy decoration!!! That bow is a buffalo's nightmare.
Title: Re: Osage sinewed plains, Cheyenne style 54#/26“ (No. 58)
Post by: Benedikt on January 25, 2015, 03:17:24 pm: Awesome work.
Thats all i can say.

Keep going simsom, maybe ill visit you someday for a little bowyers talk :D
Title: Re: Osage sinewed plains, Cheyenne style 54#/26“ (No. 58)
Post by: JonW on January 25, 2015, 03:20:14 pm: Nice! 8)
Title: Re: Osage sinewed plains, Cheyenne style 54#/26“ (No. 58)
Post by: Drewster on January 25, 2015, 03:53:26 pm: Another really fine bow from you Simon. Geez, there would have been a lot of Native Americans haggling to trade you for your bows 100 years ago.......and even today.
Title: Re: Osage sinewed plains, Cheyenne style 54#/26“ (No. 58)
Post by: Arrowind on January 25, 2015, 03:58:33 pm: Very well done! As usual. Love all the pics!
Title: Re: Osage sinewed plains, Cheyenne style 54#/26“ (No. 58)
Post by: Badly Bent on January 25, 2015, 04:12:05 pm: Man Simon that is one killer bow brother, I love every single detail and the bow as a whole. I just have to try a bow build like that someday after seeing this, and if it comes out half that nice I'd be quite happy and satisfied. Thanks for posting all the pictures, I really like looking at all the details.
Title: Re: Osage sinewed plains, Cheyenne style 54#/26“ (No. 58)
Post by: Hans H on January 25, 2015, 04:20:55 pm: hello Simon, very fine bow, as usual. I like all details.
Title: Re: Osage sinewed plains, Cheyenne style 54#/26“ (No. 58)
Post by: bradsmith2010 on January 25, 2015, 04:22:11 pm: really nice, do you know about the weight of the sinew you applied ,, grains???? I love the nocks,, dont think the string could pull off even if the tips were not flipped
Title: Re: Osage sinewed plains, Cheyenne style 54#/26“ (No. 58)
Post by: Traxx on January 26, 2015, 12:12:38 am: REALLY COOL BOW :)
Title: Re: Osage sinewed plains, Cheyenne style 54#/26“ (No. 58)
Post by: Traxx on January 26, 2015, 12:15:49 am: And you grip and draw a short draw bow,exactly like i do.
Title: Re: Osage sinewed plains, Cheyenne style 54#/26“ (No. 58)
Post by: SLIMBOB on January 26, 2015, 08:19:31 am: Very nice work Sir!
Title: Re: Osage sinewed plains, Cheyenne style 54#/26“ (No. 58)
Post by: Parnell on January 26, 2015, 08:49:40 am: Great little touches on that bow. Well done.
Title: Re: Osage sinewed plains, Cheyenne style 54#/26“ (No. 58)
Post by: IdahoMatt on January 26, 2015, 09:17:05 am: Very nice work. That tiller is a thing of beautiful
Title: Re: Osage sinewed plains, Cheyenne style 54#/26“ (No. 58)
Post by: simson on January 26, 2015, 01:52:08 pm: Quote from: hedgeapple on January 25, 2015, 03:01:56 pm
Beautiful bow, I started one similar 3 years ago. My sinew popped off because I didn't decrease the osage well enough. I haven't worked on it since. Your bow has inspired me to get back on that horse. Thanks.

since I prepare my bow backs with oven cleaner spray, I have no problems.
I assume the sinew popped of in one layer, soak it for a day in water and apply it again in one piece. I've done that recently on the little plains bow I've posted a while ago. Good luck on your project.

Quote from: Badly Bent on January 25, 2015, 04:12:05 pm
Man Simon that is one killer bow brother, I love every single detail and the bow as a whole. I just have to try a bow build like that someday after seeing this, and if it comes out half that nice I'd be quite happy and satisfied. Thanks for posting all the pictures, I really like looking at all the details.

Oh no, Greg, I know your skills . You will make it at least as good as mine for sure! But thanks brother.

Quote from: bradsmith2010 on January 25, 2015, 04:22:11 pm
really nice, do you know about the weight of the sinew you applied ,, grains???? I love the nocks,, dont think the string could pull off even if the tips were not flipped

Two layers (520 + 450grain) measured is the shredded dry stuff. made a little sketch for you below, Flipped tips: I hope to get two inches more draw out of this bow when shot in, then it will make more sense.

(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/1501%20osage%20plains%20Cheyenne%20belly%20paint/P1030580_zps2c9178de-1.jpg)

All: thanks I appreciate all of your fine comments!
Title: Re: Osage sinewed plains, Cheyenne style 54#/26“ (No. 58)
Post by: adams89 on January 27, 2015, 09:02:32 am: Very nice bow indeed. It's always a pleasure to look at your bows you display very good woodsmanship and you can work in every aspect of bows, wether it's primitive, modern, fast, long, short ,etc... doesn't matter, they are always one of the best,
and that makes looking at your Bows always a pleasure!
Title: Re: Osage sinewed plains, Cheyenne style 54#/26“ (No. 58)
Post by: rockrush69 on February 17, 2015, 09:55:34 am: absolutely outstanding! You did a very good job on this brother! I have read many books my mother is Native American I showed her and she was very very impressed you nailed this congratulations this may be one of the most beautiful Native American style bugz that I have ever seen in my life
Title: Re: Osage sinewed plains, Cheyenne style 54#/26“ (No. 58)
Post by: coaster500 on February 17, 2015, 10:26:03 am: Sweet little shooter!!!
Title: Re: Osage sinewed plains, Cheyenne style 54#/26“ (No. 58)
Post by: Sidewinder on February 17, 2015, 10:41:43 am: excellent bow Simson. Your sinew job is perfect so is the tiller. I like the paint and the way you got super creative on the ground minerals too. Danny
Title: Re: Osage sinewed plains, Cheyenne style 54#/26“ (No. 58)
Post by: jimjimmysticks on February 18, 2015, 09:13:29 pm: wow love the bow excellent style lines movement smooth 8)
Title: Re: Osage sinewed plains, Cheyenne style 54#/26“ (No. 58)
Post by: joachimM on February 19, 2015, 11:50:40 am: Amazing craftmanship. Makes my bows look like a monkey with a bad hair day made 'em ;D

How thick is the bow in cross-section at its thickest point (apart from the handle)?
Title: Re: Osage sinewed plains, Cheyenne style 54#/26“ (No. 58)
Post by: simson on February 19, 2015, 02:54:21 pm: Thanks again boys! your too kind!
meanwhile I have shot in that stick, did make some tiller adjustments at the sides and squeezed out a good more inches of drawlength. also painted the sides in a dark blue ........ I will take some pics when the weather gets better!
Title: Re: Osage sinewed plains, Cheyenne style 54#/26“ (No. 58)
Post by: bradsmith2010 on February 19, 2015, 08:50:08 pm: thanks for the sketch,, makes perfect sense,,
Title: Re: Osage sinewed plains, Cheyenne style 54#/26“ (No. 58)
Post by: Carson (CMB) on February 19, 2015, 10:42:26 pm: Quote from: simson on February 19, 2015, 02:54:21 pm
Thanks again boys! your too kind!
meanwhile I have shot in that stick, did make some tiller adjustments at the sides and squeezed out a good more inches of drawlength. also painted the sides in a dark blue ........ I will take some pics when the weather gets better!

So you just took this bow and made it better? 8) 8) You are my hero! Looking forward to more pics.

I too value the Hamm and Allely encyclopedias. For me, I never stop noticing new information from them.

The idea of adding ground mica to hide glue like Chuck showed came to mind today. My neighbor has a pile of the stuff. Seeing this bow of yours reinfroces the notion.
Title: Re: Osage sinewed plains, Cheyenne style 54#/26“ (No. 58)
Post by: Bryce on February 20, 2015, 03:02:04 am: Man I i have a soft spot for a good short bow!
Excellent work
Title: Re: Osage sinewed plains, Cheyenne style 54#/26“ (No. 58)
Post by: simson on February 21, 2015, 02:57:53 pm: as promised some additional pics:

(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/1501%20osage%20plains%20Cheyenne%20belly%20paint/P1030703_zps17ffbf99.jpg)

(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/1501%20osage%20plains%20Cheyenne%20belly%20paint/P1030687_zps4f6101a4.jpg)

(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/1501%20osage%20plains%20Cheyenne%20belly%20paint/P1030674_zps9a9426c7.jpg)
Title: Re: Osage sinewed plains, Cheyenne style 54#/26“ (No. 58)
Post by: burn em up chuck on February 21, 2015, 04:01:18 pm: very very nice

chuck
Title: Re: Osage sinewed plains, Cheyenne style 54#/26“ (No. 58)
Post by: Lone Wolf on February 25, 2015, 08:27:41 pm: Congratulations on January Backed bow of the Month. A beautiful piece of craftsmanship.