Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Flight Bows => Topic started by: Badger on January 30, 2015, 10:41:08 am
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It appears that bow strings will be an issue of contention while establishing rules in our flight division. We need feed back from the bowyers here on PA even if you are not presently involved in flight shooting.
Regular flight shooting which is the more pure form where maximum distance is our only objective will most likely go with natural strings. I would support this as well. So the poll I am taking will only be in reference to the tradtional classes of flight shooting which is a less restrictive entry point more tailored to give bowyers a chance to showcase there wares.
Please state your preference in strings and if you like give a reason. I favor allowing synthetic in traditional classes only. It is possible that maybe the tribal bow class may want to stick to natural strings but we can vote on this. So the poll is " natural only" or allow " man made string material"
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How about setting up a poll with 3 options Steve?. Natural only, synthetic and blend
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A blend seems too finicky to decide on allowable ratios.
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Pat, when I do testing I often use my blends just for safety and convenience. I use weight. Any experienced official could look at a string and see if it were too skinny. About 125 grains for a 62" bow is usually what my blends way. String weight has more effect than the material used. What if we just said 100 grains minimum weight for a string. This would take skinny strings out. You really wouldn't have to weigh a string unless it looked suspiciously skinny. Breaking and making strings can really slow down a shoot and have a negative affect on an otherwise great weekend. No added benefit to using fast flight as long as the weight is there except convenience. I spend half my day at flight shoots just making strings. They often last one or two shots.
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Our equipment is only as good as the weakest link. It isn't the fault of the string that the bow is too strong! ;)
I don't see flight shooting as being a benchmarking competition for bows. A very good string and arrow maker can sometimes beat a very good bow maker. A great flight archer with superior tuning can beat a poor archer with superior equipment. There are many dimensions to the game of flight archery that must work together, and this is what keeps the sport interesting. When I research some of the longest flight shots of the pre-synthetic materials age, one of the first things I learned to appreciate is the construction of the strings. Allowing synthetic strings takes the importance of the string out of the game. I see it as similar to allowing synthetic arrows, or replacing the archer with a shooting machine, or backing wood with glass.
When I got started on bow making, the only thing I concentrated on was making a fast bow, but I never did very well. So I decided to let bow design take a back seat for a few years while exploring arrow design, string making, tuning, and improving as an archer. It is only recently that I find the need to get back to work on making the bows faster.
Realistically, a natural string only rule would probably be seen as a major barrier to most primitive archers. So I think it is reasonable not to require it at all unsanctioned events. But I would encourage the practice of highlighting results of those that did shoot natural strings. Eventually, maybe it will help generate more interest in this area and we will start to see more spinners at our flight shoots!
Alan
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I can very much understand the purpose in keeping the regular flight shooting classes pure. But the traditional wood bow classes would not be flight shooting. It is more for the worlds bowyers to test out their bows as they will be shot. The class is tailored to everyday bowmakers. No need to put on any string restrictions, it defeats the purpose. The arrows will not be flight arrows, they will be the same arrows the bows are designed to shoot and the string material is part of that same package. This is not flight shooting in the full sense. These are classes of bows just going head to head. I would also provide a valuable service to bowmakers in the data it colects. No need for restrictions I say.
My vote is yes on man made strings.
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I've always found it unfair that Warbows are allowed the use of FF string when they shoot competition whereas everyone else has to use natural fiber. If, as some here say, high quality linen is readily available then they should be able to source some, after all this is what they used to use on Warbows
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I've always found it unfair that Warbows are allowed the use of FF string when they shoot competition whereas everyone else has to use natural fiber. If, as some here say, high quality linen is readily available then they should be able to source some, after all this is what they used to use on Warbows
This brings up the man made materials in building as well. Are the classes that are made to use natural fiber strings also limited in what type of glues they use? If you can't use "Modern" strings, how is it then ok to use modern glues? To me it becomes a safety issue. Would you trust horn knocks as much if they were glued on with hide glue? This is just my 2 cents. I have no dog in the fight. Just my view from the outside. I say if it is going to be a "Pure" class, make it pure, not just kinda pure.
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My vote is yes on man made strings as well.
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I think man made would be nice. If only natural strings are allowed id loose all interest. I dont make them and synthetic works better. Just go with a measured string weight for the rules.
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Man made. Yes
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I would be more interested if man made materials were allowed.
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It looks like in the traditional classes man made strings will get the nod. Appreciate the input guys and keep it comming. The traditional classes are tailored to meet the needs of the every day bowyers who would like to compare there bows cast to other similar bows shooting them as they are intended to be actually shot.
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The logic " intended to be actually shot" is all the reason I think that is needed really. Will/should there be a weight limit or something on strings?
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modern materials for me also
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Our equipment is only as good as the weakest link. It isn't the fault of the string that the bow is too strong! ;)
I don't see flight shooting as being a benchmarking competition for bows. A very good string and arrow maker can sometimes beat a very good bow maker. A great flight archer with superior tuning can beat a poor archer with superior equipment. There are many dimensions to the game of flight archery that must work together, and this is what keeps the sport interesting. When I research some of the longest flight shots of the pre-synthetic materials age, one of the first things I learned to appreciate is the construction of the strings. Allowing synthetic strings takes the importance of the string out of the game. I see it as similar to allowing synthetic arrows, or replacing the archer with a shooting machine, or backing wood with glass.
When I got started on bow making, the only thing I concentrated on was making a fast bow, but I never did very well. So I decided to let bow design take a back seat for a few years while exploring arrow design, string making, tuning, and improving as an archer. It is only recently that I find the need to get back to work on making the bows faster.
Realistically, a natural string only rule would probably be seen as a major barrier to most primitive archers. So I think it is reasonable not to require it at all unsanctioned events. But I would encourage the practice of highlighting results of those that did shoot natural strings. Eventually, maybe it will help generate more interest in this area and we will start to see more spinners at our flight shoots!
Alan
Alan pointed out very clearly what we've to consider.
Anyway there are decisions to be fixed.
I'm o.k. with synthetic strings in the traditional classes. Maybe we could think about a reward system for the ones using natural strings.
But I'm still thinking about warbows in the medieval, no FF, no dacron?
I guess it should be a challenge to make a natural fibre string for an 120lbs warbow.
Michael
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I like man made. D97 . I vote for that. Do newbys get to vote? Arvin
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Pretty late with my reply, sorry for that. Maybe there has been already a formal decision?
I tend to follow Alan here for the regular flight shooting in the primitive classes, including warbows: only natural materials.
My home-spun linen strings for a 52" 50# bow wheigh c. 6.5 g, or 100 grains give or take a few gr, but those are close to the limit of my capacities (and break after a (few) dozen shots).
For broadhead classes synthetic string material is ok for me.