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Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: 2015bowtrade on February 06, 2015, 03:29:45 pm
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I don't have any pictures to post . But I just got done heating in some reflex on a hhb bow I am working on . Everything is looking good so far. Maybe it will even get some tillering done the next two days . Who knows.
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I have a few ideas. Don't know how my guy feels about short bows. So maybe I just surprise him. I am thinking of sinew backed juniper, or black locust. Both are on the burner. Good luck all.
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JoJo, I think we had the same idea. I just got some sinew for a juniper bow and just roughed out a black locust for a bendy handle recurve. The BL is the primary though. While chasing a ring on the locust I came across a coupl of darker rings just under the sap wood that were significantly harder than the others. I want to start another bow from the same tree and and see if using these rings will make a performance difference. Though the rings weren't as good of ratio until I got much deeper. And I didn't think about using hear dark rings until I already cut through them.
Kyle
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was making good progress, but had the windcheck problem. Now i'm considering a short osage. That might be the theme this year.
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I already know what my guy is getting. Now I just have to start working on it, hopefully get it started this weekend.
Tattoo Dave
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After a bit of research i'm kinda on the fence.not sure if I should kinda make my style or something closer to their style?that being said I don't really follow any style!lol!
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My thought on that Bushboy would b to give someone something that says it is from you.
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Ive got a piece of hickory ive been looking at off&on for a long while,think since it gonna be warmer tomarrow i'll fire up the band saw and get started on it ;D
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I know what I'm making. Poor chap is getting a bendy molle.
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That poor, poor soul. :)
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I know my guy is getting something in the yella variety.
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Well I've already got one that I don't trust. I found out that carrot wood is an not native to Fl. as I thought it was, but is from Australia, it is tension strong but compression poor. I will see if I can do a lamanite, but until I know more about this wood from my workings it isn't going anywhere. I've got another exotic import, (podocarpus) Japanese yew, working it now, it will be boo backed and a modified ELB.
Happy dreams
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So I plan on making a 58" takedown from these two 29" billets of 20yr old yeller wood. We'll see ;0)
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I have several choices, mostly going to be Osage. The thing is I just try to make a bow from what the wood is telling me. So my guy will surely get some yeller wood. Probably a character bow with a bit of reflexed tips. Maybe even make them static. Oh yeah it will most definitely be from some 70 year old fence post that never made it in the ground. Patrick
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Man I love hearing words like "osage" and "yew" and "black Locust" . . .I keep thinking, "man, it would be cool to get a bow from that guy" But I think about it with just about every post. I have some Elm staves I think may work well, and I already have some ideas from stalking my guy. I am going to try and make 2 or three between now and August, and ship whatever is the best of those.
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Good grief Patrick! Breaking into the top shelf stuff are we?
My guy may get a shoot through the handle hole in the bow. He may get a hole in the limb or a z handle. He may just get the negative. In other words, glue all the wood chips back in the shape of the stave without the bow in the middle >:D
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I love elm. I hate red elm, never had any luck, too much set. My favorite elm has a very tiny purple heart wood center.
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Option one is a black locust take down. Flipped tips. Just about have my 2 billets one ringed. Option 2 is a juniper. Backed with white tail back sinew. I hope those east of me like those...or was it west? I guess we will find out soon enough.
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I've got two nice hickory billets dried and ready to chase a ring for the back. Plan to start on her next week. I finished one bow tonight and have one more that I just glued the tip overlays on......so the trade bow will be in the works shortly.
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I'll be in the shop tonight, I'll try for some pix
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So I got one billet down to a ring, then I couldn't feel my fingers. I got some pics
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Good grief Patrick! Breaking into the top shelf stuff are we?
Oh buddy wait till you see the log I'm splitting! There is a good bit of worm holes in it. You wouldn't call it top shelf till to see the wood inside of it! My rawhide backed character bow with antler tips is from the same stock! Super tough wood! Patrick
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Good grief Patrick! Breaking into the top shelf stuff are we?
Oh buddy wait till you see the log I'm splitting! There is a good bit of worm holes in it. You wouldn't call it top shelf till to see the wood inside of it! My rawhide backed character bow with antler tips is from the same stock! Super tough wood! Patrick
PIX!!! Before and after would be kewl!!!
OneBow
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This iron wood is tough stuff :o
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Here you go Eric! This is before I started ripping the bark/sapwood. Hope the bugs didn't get to carried away. It has some beautiful reflex too! Patrick
(http://i1335.photobucket.com/albums/w668/lebhuntfish1/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-02/20150207_131126_zpskhxo0yzk.jpg) (http://s1335.photobucket.com/user/lebhuntfish1/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-02/20150207_131126_zpskhxo0yzk.jpg.html)
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These are a stupid challenge to work with! But they make an unbelievable bow! Patrick
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I've not decided between using an osage stave, or being risky and frisky with some local wood. And being in Arizona, and not wanting to deal with Juniper, that means a real hunt for good wood. I've been meaning to hunt some good New Mexico locust though.....
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RE: hickory, how much, if any sap wood do you suggesst for a pignut hickory static recurve, and suggestions on length.
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Got one limb one ringed. Black locust doesn't play around. I have never had to sharpen my draw knives more than once a bow. Throw out some ideas on take down ideas. If I can avoid buying a sleeve I would like that, and no glass either.
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Just throwing this out. Utah's archery hunt starts August 15th. Maybe we can get a new hunting bow. ;)
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Subtle, Joe, so very subtle. :D If my victim were so smooth, I wouldn't have to do any research at all.
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>:D Hey, I gotta try! More than likely I will hunt mostly the extended hunt, so I do have until December 31st.
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I have seen rawhide used as a sleeve, metal pipe, and I think pvc could maybe be used possibly.
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Do you think a femur bone would work for a takedown? Though it would probably take some looking to find one the right size if if had the strength to hold up.
Kyle
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A friend of mine told me once that he uses the top rail of a chain link fence. The part where they couple together. He said he just oval shapes them in a vice. Says you can get them for free if you find someone taking one down. Patrick
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I like the bone idea. I want to stay away from metal.
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(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i411/rocketernally/20150208_140549_zpsytvyjrn8.jpg) (http://s1092.photobucket.com/user/rocketernally/media/20150208_140549_zpsytvyjrn8.jpg.html)
To knot or not to knot? This is the question. Wether tis betterr a bow to include a hole and add character or by removing it, end all risk. Tis the question thats makes so frustrated a bowyer.
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Keep it ;)
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Joe, I have seen pictures of English carriage bows that were hinged at the center, and folded up (back-to-back) for transportation. If your two limbs butt perfectly against each other, and the handle area is stiff, then I would think the forces would transfer smoothly from one limb to the other, and your sleeve just adds stability. I could be wrong, though. Seems to me, if I used a bone collar, I might think about wrapping that in rawhide, both for looks and for something to grip, as well as the added safety.
Sleek, if that bow is for me, I vote keep the knot.
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Sleek, I would keep it if you thought it was a safe thing to do! Is that the stave I traded you? Looks like some of my stuff! Patrick
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Hard, hard, hard. One limb is just about there. I have it on the caul for a bit of reflex. Still have to steam some hooks on. I looked at a few different take down ideas. If I can find a big enough femur I'll give it a shot. I know pet stores sell cow leg bones for dogs. Here is a sneak peek.
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Guy's got an email today from Hunterbob...Somebody is going to be happy, happy, happy...He gave me permission to post so here we go... The recipient which I will keep secret >:D is going to receive sister bendy's !!! Daaaang Bob they look great ;)
Don
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You know, when you spell the word " way " there is no F in it.
Just think about it for a sec.
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Thanks Don. I am not sure how far I will take the two sister bows. I may finish them or my Victim might . But I am still working on the hhb bow also. So my guy could end up with three bows . Who knows :-)
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Someone is gonna be happy happy happy! Maybe time to up the ante?
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Well, I gotta represent the Pacific NW so I can say for certain that my target is going to get either a yew bow or an ocean spray bow. The question is which style? I've got material for a real long yew bow, but I've also got a take down in the works and a nice 60" piece which is just begging for some sharp curves at the end.... On the the ocean spray side I have two bendy candidates which are holding 3+ inches of natural reflex after being pulled to about 18" . I also got billets and another T/D sleeve too. Or I could pull out all the stops and use my prize 62" x 2.5" OS log for something really crazy... That one is a bit wet still, but August is a ways off.
(http://i.imgur.com/VG1VT9o.jpg)
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Man you got alot of choices there. I have always wanted to make a bow from yew. I would like to even just feel a well made yew bow in the hand at the shot.
But anyhow nice stash you have there
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I love what EVERYONE IS working on. I've got a few bows in the works. My recipient has made a ton of bows, so I gotta specialize or exemplify, or SOMETHING!! As I sit here in the evening glow, I wonder at what I will send, and what I will receive.
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Thanks Bob, I was lucky enough to find some nice pieces in the last year or so. I haven't actually made (or shot) a yew bow yet, but I'm liking it so far, seems very forgiving and is a pleasure to work with.
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Well, I'm thinking about option 1 might be an all bamboo laminate bow, bendy handle. Option 2 may be a mulberry stave, bendy handle of course. Whichever turns out nicer I guess. Hope to get started this weekend, will post a pic or 2.
Tattoo Dave
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Nothing like options!
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My project took a down hill turn when removing a knot ripped a gouge out the back from handle to 3" past the fade. I have never sinewed a bow and really think it would survive without any. However, im gonna fille the large gouge with hide glue soaked hemp fibers, then Lebhuntfish ( Patrick ) is going to help me sinew over it, and finally black snake over that. Black snake and osage are a nice combo. The belly will be nicely toasted and going for a nice recurve to maximize the sinew. Also I have 2" reflex in the stave as she sits. Probably gonna put 4" into it. Really make that sinew work. Hope my guy is good at stringing a bow! >:D
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I don't have a dog in this race but Accipiter those yew look nice!!!!
I'm watching from the sidelines and will be working on one incognito.
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Sleek, sounds like he may need a bow stringer for that one! Make sure you get all the Bending and heat treating done before we sinew it! Patrick
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Yup, will do bud! Lookin forward to more shop time with you.
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I just went up and reduced the upper limb and threw it on the caul for some reflex. As the limbs aren't yet fully cured they have been reduced, and clamped down for a few weeks. Time to start back up on the juniper. I start my on call week at work tomorrow, so I will be in the shop more this week.
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Reflexed 3 staves on the caul today, dry heat. Sometimes my dry heat is a torch, but only if there's a lot of wood left. I have this thought that bendy-handled bows don't get an arrow rest, and stiff handled bows get a bit of a cut-out (sand-out) & rest. What do you guys think? Oh, the bows I worked on today are a long bamboo-backed ERC, two mulberry workers, a hackberry monstrosity, and an osage bow with one or two rings of sapwood that's actually for me.
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Hey guys. Just finishing up a yew bow and a black locust bow. Either could be for my dude. I plan on making a bunch more, I'll pick the most suitable one closer to the end date. On our way to the classic maybe I'll give him the bow in person !
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Yeah, no rest on bendys.
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Yeah, no rest on bendys.
I've put a small floppy rest on them. Just for consist arrow placement. If not at least a indicator for your hand or an arrow placement. I also try to build up the handle with thick leather. Patrick
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Well my guy won't be getting a maple knotty character bow--at least not this one! In all honesty this was only going to be a backup. Now on to plan A. Plan B may be coming in the mail from Sidewinder. Lots of options, and I am not going to Germany this summer like I had hoped so I have a whole 'nother month to work with.
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Ouch. Hate to see carnage on here.
I am thinking about putting a bit of fossilized mammoth ivory on the tips for inlays for my guys bow. Just got to make sure I get a good solid piece. Also probably going to coat it in epoxy to help make sure it stays in one piece. Maybe buffalo horn then mammoth ivory that way the mammoth is just for looks. Hmmm.... I like that idea.
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I am thinking Bone sleeve, Bone tip overlays, If the BL goes out. If it is the Ishi, it will sinew, 24/7, 365.
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Well my fence post stave will have to be a kids bow. Too much bug damage for a big boy bow. I have a few more but they will have to wait. Because I done some digging in my stash and found this gem! Patrick
(http://i1335.photobucket.com/albums/w668/lebhuntfish1/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-02/20150207_143609_zpspewp16qx.jpg) (http://s1335.photobucket.com/user/lebhuntfish1/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-02/20150207_143609_zpspewp16qx.jpg.html)
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This Osage is about the toughest stuff I've ever worked with the exception of the old fence post! It makes an excellent little bow! Patrick
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No pictures yet but I will soon. I just lost my job so I have plenty of time to finish up some projects and start some new ones. Looks like some sweet bows starting out here guys, cant wait to see what yall got!!!
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It's cold out, haven't been in my u heated shop since last pics posted. Get after em boys
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Sorry to hear that NeolithicMan. Hope you can get a line on a new job. Good luck with your bow! Patrick
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Got off work last night and finished reducing the Juniper stave. What a difference between going from Black Locust, Straight to Juniper. How does juniper take heat?
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I have the stave picked and projects moving along but this trade bow has yet to make it to chasing a ring. Still have two molles for customers, Blaflair's second bow, and then bada-bing-bada-boom it's time to start this sweet piece of ~five year dead-standing locust 8)
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I wuldnt heat it. It's realy elastic, well the piece I had was. I think heat would brittle it up
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Well I've decided to post pictures of each stage of my build.
Tonight I got the rest of the sapwood off. (holy crap) it's been a while since I've done this. I forgot how tough this stuff is. I have the back fairly roughly to one ring. I'm going to reduce the stave to a little more "bow" shape. Then chase the next ring down.
I've found the bow in this can you! Hint, it's got character! Patrick
(http://i1335.photobucket.com/albums/w668/lebhuntfish1/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-02/20150211_181454_zpsd6t4vyqv_edit_1423705198769_zpsimh1kusq.jpg) (http://s1335.photobucket.com/user/lebhuntfish1/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-02/20150211_181454_zpsd6t4vyqv_edit_1423705198769_zpsimh1kusq.jpg.html) (http://i1335.photobucket.com/albums/w668/lebhuntfish1/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-02/20150211_181643_zpst9f7pjnx_edit_1423705253384_zpskgtc1uoa.jpg) (http://s1335.photobucket.com/user/lebhuntfish1/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-02/20150211_181643_zpst9f7pjnx_edit_1423705253384_zpskgtc1uoa.jpg.html) (http://i1335.photobucket.com/albums/w668/lebhuntfish1/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-02/20150211_181750_zpsxsqjw4q8_edit_1423705282889_zpso2fiugwd.jpg) (http://s1335.photobucket.com/user/lebhuntfish1/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-02/20150211_181750_zpsxsqjw4q8_edit_1423705282889_zpso2fiugwd.jpg.html) (http://i1335.photobucket.com/albums/w668/lebhuntfish1/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-02/20150211_181242_zpsauevj0pj.jpg) (http://s1335.photobucket.com/user/lebhuntfish1/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-02/20150211_181242_zpsauevj0pj.jpg.html)
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Holy carpe diem dude. I wanna see that in person before you ship it.
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I'm sure I'll still be working on it for a while buddy. I tend to really take my time on something like this! Patrick
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well looks like folks have gotten a good jump on their bows. Still have to pick out my stave. Hickory pyramid or an Osage American longbow?
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Either would be cool Kelly. I've never built a pyramid bow so I couldn't say. But I love me an American flat bow! Patrick
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About one more hour of work and I'll have a good back established on my hickory billets......making progress.
(http://i1169.photobucket.com/albums/r509/drewsumrell/TradeBowBillets_zpscfbcbc05.jpg) (http://s1169.photobucket.com/user/drewsumrell/media/TradeBowBillets_zpscfbcbc05.jpg.html)
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Some nice looking billets there, and a nice looking shop! jealous of all that space, an apartment is no place to make bows (or anything else for that matter).
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Nice looking stave Patrick. I have some advice and you may already be aware. In the pic where you are holding the stave be conscious of having to move the side with the sharp angle over closer to the middle of the stave. You can run out of belly thickness if you don't. I see a killer bow in there.
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Your absolutely right John! Found that out the hard way a couple of times!
Nice hickory drewster! Patrick
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(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i411/rocketernally/20150212_192942_zpsfoygmyqx.jpg) (http://s1092.photobucket.com/user/rocketernally/media/20150212_192942_zpsfoygmyqx.jpg.html)
Mammoth tusk for tip overlays. Most of this is delaminating inside and no good for anything but the outside is hard and I will laminate it to buffalo horn so not much is needed.
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You would think that being retired you would have lots of time for hobbies, fellows, DON'T become the family handyman, I've spent most of this week working on other peoples problems and most were just common sense and stop and think for a moment.
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Thanks fellows. That hickory came out of a 110 year old tree that fell in the neighborhood a year ago......nice windfall :-)
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I've posted about plan A, here is B. I didn't violate a ring did I?
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Looks pretty good Jo! Looks like a clean back to me! I think the only backing you need is air! >:D Patrick
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Haha. Here is the whole thing. Sinew this weekend. Dang phone. I fixed it once. Sorry it is upside down.
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Knew I'd regret not getting in one this, great looking bows so far ;)
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About 10 hours spent on bows today. A bit on the takedown, trying to figure out my sleeve. Just over 7 hours on the juniper. Processed 3 ounces of back sinew, and applied 1 ounce. This is plan B >:D
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Not bad Jojo not bad at all! Patrick
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Just got a sweet maple stave from PatM today, hopefully i can coax it to fling some arrows for somebody down south...
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#%@! @#!% @!#@ >:(
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I think there's a hinge starting in the left limb >:D >:D Tough break.
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I think there's a hinge starting in the left limb >:D >:D Tough break.
+1 you may have to throw that one out and start over bud!
Looks like a start of a take down! Patrick
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It snapped right on a knot
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Ouch!!!!
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Well here is plan B! I am super excited about this one! This is best piece of Osage that I have seen since I was given my first stave! Not sure I want to give this one away! Maybe plan A will work! >:D Patrick
(http://i1335.photobucket.com/albums/w668/lebhuntfish1/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-02/20150214_100932_zpsbu8ckxze.jpg) (http://s1335.photobucket.com/user/lebhuntfish1/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-02/20150214_100932_zpsbu8ckxze.jpg.html) (http://i1335.photobucket.com/albums/w668/lebhuntfish1/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-02/20150214_100846_zpsffjpuqxi.jpg) (http://s1335.photobucket.com/user/lebhuntfish1/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-02/20150214_100846_zpsffjpuqxi.jpg.html) (http://i1335.photobucket.com/albums/w668/lebhuntfish1/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-02/20150214_100808_zps5tsryyxb.jpg) (http://s1335.photobucket.com/user/lebhuntfish1/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-02/20150214_100808_zps5tsryyxb.jpg.html)
Plan B on the left, and A on the right.
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Tyke, save the good limb. Make a takedown next one you have break. Or splice them togeather. Works well.
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Dang,Type that sucks! Start on the other hhb!
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Should of left it at 27" i just wanted an extra inch so it didnt break on the new owner 28 let the bang out
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Bum deal tyke.
So whatcha going to start on now. ?
I am only out to 14" on the long string with the hhb I am working on.
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Tyke you have one good limb for a take down. Now break one limb on another one and you will have the other one.
Lebhuntfish if that is the best piece you have gotten I might have to send you some. WOW. But most of mine are twisted I cut this year.
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Thanks Kelly, the grain is actually super straight on the limb section just a little whoopty-doo in the handle area. There will only be like 2 tiny pin knots in the whole bow. But I have a plan you might be surprised!
But I would take some good stuff if you wanted to send me some! :laugh: Patrick
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Lol Patrick, if things go our way next month osage will not be on the list of thing you need. Course it will need to cure a bit so I guess thats not entirely true...
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Your right buddy! But I will be able to at least rough out a few of them! Hopefully it will all work out good. Getting new Osage is like opening Christmas presents at your grandparents house. Patrick
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Your right buddy! But I will be able to atheist rough out a few of them! Hopefully it will all work out good. Getting new Osage is like opening Christmas presents at your grandparents house. Patrick
I didnt know you got religious about your wood, or un-religious? :)
Werent grandparents the best for gifts?
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Dang auto correct on my phone!
Got some of the coolest stuff from them when I was a kid! Patrick
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Oh, btw, just got home. So glad I went to okc this weekend instead of kansas city. The drive through the winter storm was bad as it is, that would have been hell back to tulsa.
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I'm still in decisions, decisions stage.... ;D
Stave or super fancy laminate....umm
Just off out for a long run with my dog and aim to have decided by the time I get back ;D
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I vote super fancy lams
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I have always been a selfbow guy but a super fancy lam bow would be a nice change. Hint hint ;)
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I voted lams because I'd like to be able to make a super fancy lam bow. So having on to look at would help
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Between the snow and the cold havn't made much progress.i did however made a 9 strand ff string for plan A.
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5" handle,1-1/4 fades.
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Here are plans A-E: 4 elm staves and one juniper. got them skinned today, and now I have to get the profiles figured out, so I can rough them out more and speed up the drying.
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Wow Jeff, It makes me want to split my elm log. I wonder if it still weighs 400#
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It probably does. On mine, the cambium was still wet, even though I split it a few weeks ago.
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You sealed the backs of those after you debarked them right Jeff? What does a guy use to glue a takedown sleeve?
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just the ends so far. Guess I should get some shellac
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I've not made one Jojo, but I've heard guys use epoxy. If I was making a take down I would make the sleeve fit tightly and not glue it on till I was sure the bow was going to survive. Patrick
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Just spit on it JoJo, should hold just fine :laugh:
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I plan on using JB weld or epoxy
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Pappy has a build a long on a takedown sleeve in the how too's
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Gluing on highlander bull horn overlays on the hhb I am working on. Thay are a cool looking bull and the horn is sweet also.
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I'm sure it's sweet bob
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Record cold day here so I figured it would be a good time to heat treat the hickory bow I'm working on and enjoy some of the warmth. Problem was, it was so cold that it took me longer than usual to get it done.
When your shop is only 48° it takes the wood a while to get hot......and stay hot. I added a few inches of reflex while doing the heat treating too. But, alas, I got 'er done. Now for the wait to rehydrate.
(http://i1169.photobucket.com/albums/r509/drewsumrell/TradeBowHeatTreated_zpsdfea7a18.jpg) (http://s1169.photobucket.com/user/drewsumrell/media/TradeBowHeatTreated_zpsdfea7a18.jpg.html)
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Well I have not started yet but I think I will lay out an hickory pyramid long bow. I have one that I need to tiller for another person I like the looks of it so far. I my swap trade bow maybe I will toast the belly like Drewster has done.
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That's a nice looking workshop you got there drewster
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That's a nice looking workshop you got there drewster
Thanks Aaron. I built the maple workbench when I was in my mid 20s......now at 66 I've been blessed to spend many hours enjoying it and the rest of my shop.
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Drew,I'd be in a t-shirt if my workshop was 48degrees. Im dying to get back in mine. I figured I would have been done with my trade bow by now, but I'm on plan C . Maybe tomorrow ill be able to invest some hours.
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Don't care,suppose to be in the. - 40C tomorrow, gonna make this baby bend!am used to. Working in these temps anyways,just gotta wear gloves,i hate gloves,lol!
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I'm going to send at least two bows. Not because I want to beat everyone else, out, but because I love to make bows, have a lot of staves, and alot of time, and because it further guarantees my recipient will be happy with at least one of the bows. Actually I'll probably send two bows to his/her specs and either a kid's bow or a narrow stave of something like oceanspray--whatever I can jam into the box.
Tomorrow I'll post pics of the first--a rawhide backed 60sum inch oceanspray longbow with osage handle and tip overlays........
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I'm going to send at least two bows. Not because I want to beat everyone else, out, but because I love to make bows, have a lot of staves, and alot of time, and because it further guarantees my recipient will be happy with at least one of the bows. Actually I'll probably send two bows to his/her specs and either a kid's bow or a narrow stave of something like oceanspray--whatever I can jam into the box.
Tomorrow I'll post pics of the first--a rawhide backed 60sum inch oceanspray longbow with osage handle and tip overlays........
Your over the top buddy! I hope my name is on your list!
I am hoping to at least get mine done before the deadline. I know I will but with the weather we are having and I found out today that I have pneumonia. Been out of work since Wednesday. Patrick
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You guys are doing a marvelous job!!! I'm loving these bows being made and the effort put forth.
If any of you are having any problems with your staves, which always seems to happen, I would like to kindly donate one to help out. No sense in you posting it here, just send me an email or a PM with the specs you need to meet. I'll do my best to get you taken care of.
If there is a need for more than one person I can cover a few if you are willing to pay shipping.
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Fred, that is a very nice offer, you could contact the guys running this and offer to be an alternate if somebody doesn't mange to get their bow done.
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I already talked to my man 8).
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I'll be starting mine here in about a month, I have to finish up the ones that I am currently working on for the annual sportsman show that we have in 2 weeks.
I will drop a hint as to where the one I make is going. West from Maine...lol!
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I'll be starting mine here in about a month, I have to finish up the ones that I am currently working on for the annual sportsman show that we have in 2 weeks.
I will drop a hint as to where the one I make is going. West from Maine...lol!
I'm in the same boat. A you-finish and previous trade have to come before this.
That's funny, I'm shipping of to my... One second... My right, that's it, starboard of my current position ;D
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I'm reluctant to post pics today as I was hoping to be further along than this. There is alot more that will go into this bow before it is finished. I backed with rawhide today so I didn't want to do full draw yet. But I have shot this bow several times and it is very fast. I still need to trim the rawhide, fill the pith groove, stain the whole thing, and finish coat it. I will probably remove the artificial sinew handle wrap which covers the rawhide splice and do something more, dressy.
Its an oceanspray, 60" ntn, with osage additions, in the 40+ lbs. range. This is my 'backup' bow for the trade. I start the primary bow tomorrow. I'll send him/her both.
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Steve,
You laid that rawhide down super nice, handle looks comfy and braced looks great...Can't wait to see the full bend...
Don
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Steve,
You laid that rawhide down super nice, handle looks comfy and braced looks great...Can't wait to see the full bend...
Don
+1 I've never seen ocean spray in person but that looks really cool. Very nice, very nice! Patrick
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Cool lookin stick so far Steve. Brace looks good in I me :)
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I just went out and shot the hhb I am working on. Man is it snappy and feels great in the hand. I only shot about 20 arrows so far. I believe it will make a great hunting bow for €₩¥£¥€£ .
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You know guys. It's really cool to me to hear all of the different types of wood that everyone is working with. The only stave wood I've ever worked with is Osage, hickory and one vine maple. Most of the woods mentioned I've never even seen. It would be super awesome if one of you guy's with the hhb or the ocean spray drew my name. MAN THE SUSPENSE IS KILLING ME! I wish I was over this pneumonia crap so I could get out in the shop! Looking good guy's, looking good! Patrick
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Pneumonia? Jeez that sucks man. So does that mean we are on for another game of online chess tonight then?
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Pneumonia? Jeez that sucks man. So does that mean we are on for another game of online chess tonight then?
Probably since I ain't doing much but sitting by the fire and reading on PA! Patrick
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That looks like a good bow there for sure.
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Man I hope you get to feeling better.
I really liked the way the hhb felt at the shot with this bow. I will shoot it in some more . And then get to finishing it up and maybe end up being the first to ship again for the third year in a row.lol.
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It's taking a little while to make much progress with 2 other bows going on but it's coming along. It's starting to flex a little. I'm hoping to have it flor tillered tonight and do a little straightening in the morning. It seems to take longer than expected when the temperature wants to drop into the 20s or lower when you have time to work.
Kyle
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I've ha a heck of a time getting this wood to bend >:D steamed it today for about an hour and still had I break. Good thing it. Started out as 2, 39 1/2 billets. Down to a total length of 72. Tried dry heat, broke, tried steam, broke. Now what?
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What are you trying to do, JoJoDapryo?
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What are you trying to do, JoJoDapryo?
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If your trying to recurve the tips you could try to boil them. Never done it myself but plan to on the next one I do. Patrick
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Thanks hunterbob I'm feeling better today but it ain't over yet. But going to try to get to work on Tuesday. Patrick
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Yeah, trying to put some re-curves on it. Tried all the ways I have done it before.
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Black locust, right, Jojo?
I've not worked that stuff before. But I know someone who has and I'm pretty sure he boils his tips.
I've always heard that black locust is a lot like Osage but not sure myself. I know that Osage works well with dry heat and some oil.
Also try reducing the thickness if you haven't already. PatB told me once, to try and get the belly side to one ring before trying to bend it. Maybe someone with more experience with BL will chime in. Patrick
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I steamed a piece of 8 yr old bl. And man it's got hooks. Steam or boil. I grease it steam for 40 mins and bend her. If it don't wanna go all the way do it again.
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I steamed, and it didn't work lol. Belly and back were single ring at the bend. I guess I'll try boiling. The sleeve is looking sweet.
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Maybe a problem with your rig. Lets see some pics. Perhaps all the bend is in one spot and thats the problem.
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Well I got out today and shot the HHB some more. And got it all stained up and going to start putting on the clear coat maybe tomorrow.
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Here are pictures of my steamer and my (one of) jigs. The heat source is a crock grill ($5 at a thrift store, heats to 600f) a 2 gallon stainless pot and lid. PVC pipe. The jig is just a 2X4 cut with a 4.5 inch radius. I clamp the tip to the jig and then bend by hand. Both limbs initially bent well, and then cracked shortly after.
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Curve has sharp edges and that is no good. Blend the curve into the flat of the 2x4. The abrupt charge focuses tje streas in two spots.
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I'll break out the rasp! Thanks Sleek!
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Rwsp it good and post pics before using it.
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Will do, back on call tomorrow, so more late nights at work.
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Yeah make it as smooth as you want your bow when finished. Watch the growth rings in the pine too. I heat up my jig and burnish it. Those rings can leave marks in the back, like dents. Clamp a thin piece of metal over the stave to help stop the cracks. Patrick
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It's been suggested that we post here what we intend to use our bows for. If you want to go hunting with your bow we don't want to send you something too shiny, but if you're going to treat the bow like a piece of gold we might as well make it look the part ;) ;D
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I am a target shooter primarily. I like pretty wood, but hunting bows look pretty too.
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I definitely wanna kill stuff >:D
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Probably targets for me too, I don't mind high or low gloss either way.
... I don't know, it might be better if Blaflair's is mirror-coated...
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Jeff you should go kill something.you live in a great state for it. ;D
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Hunting for me, but a glossy bow has never kept me from hunting.
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I'll use it for shooting arrows. Maybe at live targets, maybe at paper. Either way, a matte finish on wood is just as beautiful as a gloss to me!
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Tyke, I have to become a better shot first. wouldn't want to just wound something. Not above taking my bow for a walk sometime, though. Especially if it is pretty. . .yew, black locust, osage, cedar . . .the possibilities are endless.
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I will definitely probably be doing some hunting with mine. But don't get to hunt a lot. A mat finish I think would be cool for mine. I will surely be showing it off too! Patrick
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I'll still kill stuff mirror or not. Maybe that's be better camouflage if it reflected the grass
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I have no preference to finish. I hunt and target shoot. If I have a glossy finish I have some old cammo pants from the navy I will turn into limb sleeves to hide the gloss and protection from thorns etc...
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I like hunting with gold....
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I would be doing some hunting hopefully. Got her bending to 10# today. Starting to look like s bow.
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Sweet. Looking good Bubbles! You've made more progress than me.
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Just saw the post about intended use. Any bow in my hand is potential hunter, that being said, I'd still be happy with any bow given!!!
Tattoo Dave
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Bubbles that's a sweet shape to that one! I like the overlays and the short hooks. Can't wait to see the rest of the bend! :laugh: Patrick
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Yeah, basically we want to know if we should do our normal finish or if you really need it matte.
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Looks good. I'd say by the looks of your kitchen your not married >:D
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Bubbles has the bowyers holy grail, a mankitchen in the basement.
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That is pretty sweet.
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Mine will be going into the woods for sure, but its about 50:50 on the hunting, at least for the next year or two. I'll leave it up to whatever my person thinks fits the spirit of the bow best.
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Like Accipiter, I'll be delighted with any finish that fits the spirit of the bow.....not picky on the sheen.
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Haha, thats right pat! Although i still get sass about all my crap.
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Sheen does not matter to me.
Speaking of sheen I just put my last coat of finish on and going to work on the grip tonight.
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I think I'm in the same boat on sheen as most on here, Whatever suits the individual bow suits me. Seems like some have more character that a little more sheen will make pop while others benefit more from the the warmth of a more dull finish.
Kyle
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Aaaand Bob's the first again ;)
Here's why I haven't cut into my trade stave yet. From front to back I've got:
An order
Blaflair's bow for some osage
2015 PA trade bow ;)
My next shooter
The Bat Bow, finally ::)
Two short/skinny r/d's, going to try more pronounced bends this time, might bend some tips ;D
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I'll get the Osage out with my taxes. So I'm not worried about being first on the list. I'm slacking with this artic crap surrounding us. I found a couple other dead standing stuff I had. So I'm cleaning it all up and gonna box it up. Trying to make it lighter.
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I'm in no rush mate. Told you it had a touch of reflex >:D I'm gonna have to take it slow, probable put some deflex in the handle to save myself more wrinkles on my forehead ;)
I'll admit I'm still on the fence about plan A, it's just so... Clean. Like bleh clean. No fun. But it'll be nothing but a matter of time to make a real beast out of it.
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Finish is up to the builder!i'm a crow I. Like shiny things! Lol!should have plan A to. Brace tomorrow.
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I would be doing some hunting hopefully. Got her bending to 10# today. Starting to look like s bow.
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Any close ups of the belly side? What is the limb width?
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This is Hunterbob's HHB... 8) 8) 8) Nice looking stick Bob, super bend man! I will let him fill in the blanks on the stats...
Don
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Thank you Don for posting the pictures.
The hhb is 65" ttt and is pulling around 55@28 . I trapped the limbs so the belly is wider than the back 1 3/4 at the fade and slowly tapering to the thin nocks. I also put highlander bull horn on for tip overlays . But my guy will be getting a package early next week with the his and her osage bow blanks and the hhb. This hhb is going to be another hard one to ship off.
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Well bob, u win. Again! Ur a bow making fool man. Looks great
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Thanks. I enjoyed making the hhb .
And the arrow shelf is made from black walnut . With a leather wrap handle.
I wish could find and post a picture of the highlander bull . They are wild looking .
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Very nice hunterbob! So what day should I be watching for that to show up at my door! >:D >:D Patrick
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Very nice hunterbob! So what day should I be watching for that to show up at my door! >:D >:D Patrick
Going out today . So I would say monday
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Great looking bow there Bob, someone is going to make out.
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Some belly closeups as requested by Pat. There were a few knots that were hiding in there, but all except one are gone. Near the fade in the top limb. Hopefully it doesnt gine me problems. I just finished heat treating so the grain is popping out a bit more. Its 2" wide, parallel to midlimb, taper to the tips 67"ntn
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Here it is at 16" before heat treating. Still on the long string. Any thoughts?
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Very nice hunterbob! So what day should I be watching for that to show up at my door! >:D >:D Patrick
Going out today . So I would say monday
I'll hold you to it buddy! >:D
That is a very nice bow and gesture with the other staves! Someone will for sure be blessed! Patrick
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Bubbles I would get that on the short string and tiller from there.
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Yeah, thats pretty much my next step after i let it rehydrate.
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Some belly closeups as requested by Pat. There were a few knots that were hiding in there, but all except one are gone. Near the fade in the top limb. Hopefully it doesnt gine me problems. I just finished heat treating so the grain is popping out a bit more. Its 2" wide, parallel to midlimb, taper to the tips 67"ntn
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Here it is at 16" before heat treating. Still on the long string. Any thoughts?
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Looks pretty good. I figured all of the knots had grown over to the point of not being present in the finished bow except that one in the middle. Is that the one that's showing in the fade?
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No, I put that middle knot right in the center of the handle. This knot had just grown over in the back, maybe withing the last year or two, and was not visible in the belly until I really dug into the stave. The surprises of wood.
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That sounds more like an inclusion rather than a knot.
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Knots are weird sometimes. Just had a knot pop completely off when I floor tillered the bow. It was near the fade and took some of the back with it when it popped off. However the bow still bends without a problem so I think I will eventually finish the bow. No clue what I will do with it with the gouge in the back and all but I will finish it just to see what happens.
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Put some sawdust and wood glue in the gouge and wrap it
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My take down sleeve and handle seem to be nice and solid. I'll find out tonight if the rest of the bow will survive.
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JoJoDapryo, did you use that bone you was talking about? You might have to get the football gear on! >:D Patrick
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No, Copper sleeve, Denim micarta over the copper sleeve. The sleeve is not what I am worried about. In thinning the limbs I found a few checks on the belly of the top limb. The back of the top limb is also showing a few :-\. It seems almost the right weight. I'll throw it on the tree tonight and see how it bends, if it gets through 100 or so shots i'll back it. Lots of work to have little surprises show up. I have lots more wood, just crappy to blow all that work.
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Warm the wood up with a heat gun. Just warm, not hot. Then apply your super glue to the checks until it won't take any more glue. Warming it will swell the wood a touch and open the cracks. They will shrink when in cools. As long as they are liner and don't run off the edge that will fix the problem. Then you could back it if you want to. Good luck and post some pics. Patrick
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When it was just one on the belly I wasn't concerned. Then there were a few on the back and another on the belly. None run off the limbs, and non run across the grain.
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I would do the superglue thing then back it with someone rawhide to be safe. Shouldn't be a problem after that. I built my niece a little D bow that had a crack about 12 in long I superglued it and backed it with a silk tie. It shoots great! Patrick
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OK, belly, then back. Dye showed me the back cracks, that is why they are black. The knots are in different spots.
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Looks like you got plenty of glue in them. I would clean up the dried glue and put some good rawhide on with hide glue. Before I done any more bending and that should keep them locked down tight. Patrick
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Sounds good.
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You guys must be busy busy busy making bows. Nobody posting . LOL. Well my guy got his package yesterday. Just waiting to hear from him.
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Well got plan A to brace and is about ten lbs heavy,needs some scraping.ugly deflex came back after exercising. Gonna put her back on the rack and reheat after I bring the weight down a bit.i am going for a holmgaard tiller with a stiff handle so it's farely stressed design.gonna do like I have in past years and use time alotted ,make a number of bows then ship the. Best unless I get lucky early on.
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It's like -15 here real feel laterly. Ever try making a bow outta an icicle? >:D I'm itching to get after it some more. I've got a recurve I need to sinew. And I have to finish the sheath for my trade knife. I tried gluing on underlays to this Osage and it pops off each time. I am using tight bond 3. And no I am not blaming it ;) I just don't think I carried it far enough around the bend and the piece was still s little too think. I'm almost thinking of using denim. I think it'd look cool and it's gonna be easy enough to make a miccarta underlay as it is wood. I really don't wanna give up this bow if it turns out. It wasn't ever meant for the trade. But as I have gorilla arms. We'll see
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I've got my wood and design selected,r/d nothing too pronounced,hickory/walnut/ipe limbs with maybe leadwood and ebony for the handle . Just got to get the moisture content down a bit so i'll cut the lams and bring them inside for a few days then into the hotbox for a couple more days.
I might try and do something funky with the handle :)
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Man mike, make sure u post lots of pics.
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Its freezing here too, Blaflair. I have to wait until like 8am until I go outside, all bundled up of course. O:)
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Man Steve that would feel like spring with those Temps compared to what we have had here in ohio.
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Ummm.... that is spring weather.
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We got probly 2' on the ground. And it's still snowing.
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I know, its been amazingly mild here. Maybe too warm. Trees are starting to blossom. I just thought I'd rub it in a little. Which usually means I'll pay later.
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Well I just got home from work, put about 14 hours in the seat of a snow plow. We got about 6 inches yesterday. But it got to 35 today so the streets are clear now. Patrick
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Well I'm feeling better and was able to get in the garage yesterday after running my space heater for about 4 hours.
I got plan A roughed out finally. It was a bit of a challenge. This Osage it of the toughest variety I have worked. It's dark orange and has some almost burnt orange in it as well. Very tough stuff, almost couldn't use my draw knife at all. It has lots of character and so far 3 holes! Patrick
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Got my billets cleaned up and looking better. Gotta cut the ends square and for em to the sleeve. They have a little natural reflex. Like 3" >:D we'll see what happens
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Patrick that looks like it will be one fine bow with tons of character. I can't decide which person sends their stuff to me. I am busy getting staves roughed out and drying up. One of them will be the right one. . .
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;D Im the lucky one this time lol got the package from Hunter bob will post some pics as soon as i get time. >:D
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Thanks Jeff! I hope it works out.
Wildkatt, I'm jealous bud! That sure I'd a nice bow hunterbob made! Patrick
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Got this one started on,and a piece of hickory. Now for some drier weather to get out and work on them
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Still haven't done as much as I'd like but here's plan A ;)
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So far so good. The bottom limb needs a bit taken off. The top limb is ready for tiller. On the long string the handle doesn't have any flex, and the top limb isn't working itself out of the socket.
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Huisme- that looks like a nice piece of wood I'm jealous of all you guys and your nice rings us Florida boys dream about that stuff. Whoever gets that thing will be a happy dog
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Looking good fellas!
Huisme, is that a molly I see drawn out!? Patrick
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I believe that is some of the fattest rings I have ever seen huisme. A blind man could run those rings.
Looking good everyone.
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It is some sweet stuff, I've been saving this one just for the trade ;) More where it came from but I liked the subtle wiggle, figured it'd just be wrong to send a completely clean and straight bow >:D
I did just pull out a stave I thought was 100% clean. No pin knots, no burls, no knots, no wiggle. It all went wrong at about one third of the thin end after I removed a few rings and uncovered about 8o of lateral bend :o It'll still make the cleanest shorty "I've ever made, though, so there's that.
Yep, it's a molle, bendy handle and long (~6") fades, going to give it ebony tips and reflex/deflex from the handle out. Wish I could do something worthwhile but if they complain I'll gladly take it back ::) ;D
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Nice work being done. I am moving this weekend to GA. I will get to work on bows soon once I get there. I just need to get the move behind me.
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I certainly wouldn't complain, Marc, but explain why you like mollys so much. Just curious.
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Got her out to 28 today. Any suggestions on tweaking the tiller? The last few inches dropped faster than i thought. Ive been making bendy handles lately, and Im noticing that a few scrapes on a wide limb bow makes a much bigger difference than a few scrapes on a narrow, deeper bow. Updated pics:
(http://i357.photobucket.com/albums/oo19/mikemeusel/Maple%20Flatbow%20Flipped%20Tips%2050-55%2028/VIDEO2217_0000029527_zpsxk1jaoqz.jpg) (http://s357.photobucket.com/user/mikemeusel/media/Maple%20Flatbow%20Flipped%20Tips%2050-55%2028/VIDEO2217_0000029527_zpsxk1jaoqz.jpg.html)
(http://i357.photobucket.com/albums/oo19/mikemeusel/IMAG0898_zpsiwvxrfov.jpg) (http://s357.photobucket.com/user/mikemeusel/media/IMAG0898_zpsiwvxrfov.jpg.html)
(http://i357.photobucket.com/albums/oo19/mikemeusel/6573004c-ea9d-44bd-9037-af7031e21b1f_zpsd07wo6dj.jpg) (http://s357.photobucket.com/user/mikemeusel/media/6573004c-ea9d-44bd-9037-af7031e21b1f_zpsd07wo6dj.jpg.html)
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Looks good bubbles, the upper limb looks like it needs a little by by the fade
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He's probably protecting that defect in the fade by leaving it a bit stiff there.
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Yeah, I probly should have referred to the u brace pic ;D good call
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Yeah, ive been debating that spot in my head. Here's a pic of the top limb fade. (http://i357.photobucket.com/albums/oo19/mikemeusel/IMAG0895_zpsxjgbrqwf.jpg) (http://s357.photobucket.com/user/mikemeusel/media/IMAG0895_zpsxjgbrqwf.jpg.html)
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I would leave it alone . If it feels good at the shot I would call it a bow. Tiller looks great.
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That actually looks like it's grown over for about 15 years. Is the dark mark on the lower limb? What does it look like now?
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Threw a braced and unbraced pic up. Yeah, the dark brown streak is the lower. It's in the very top of the fade, the thickest part, I'm not too worried about that. The knot in the top limb was the only imperfection in the working limbs, but its long since gone, leaving that grain swirl.
(http://i357.photobucket.com/albums/oo19/mikemeusel/Maple%20Flatbow%20Flipped%20Tips%2050-55%2028/IMAG0899_zpshi2k6z8l.jpg) (http://s357.photobucket.com/user/mikemeusel/media/Maple%20Flatbow%20Flipped%20Tips%2050-55%2028/IMAG0899_zpshi2k6z8l.jpg.html)
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I certainly wouldn't complain, Marc, but explain why you like mollys so much. Just curious.
They've been especially fast and reliable shooters for as long as I've been making them. The levers can be extremely light, like any narrow tips, except offering more leverage and a sharper transition from working wood to lever. I've drawn them a full four inches past the half-the-working-limb rule without chrysalis or stacking and a thirty pounder I made in Nevada far surpassed their hunting limitations. It's also very easy to make 1/4" or less nocks at the ends of those levers.
They're also a little different from what most people have seen ;D
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Got her out to 28 today. Any suggestions on tweaking the tiller? The last few inches dropped faster than i thought. Ive been making bendy handles lately, and Im noticing that a few scrapes on a wide limb bow makes a much bigger difference than a few scrapes on a narrow, deeper bow. Updated pics:
(http://i357.photobucket.com/albums/oo19/mikemeusel/Mobile%20Uploads/VIDEO2217_0000029527_zpsxk1jaoqz.jpg) (http://s357.photobucket.com/user/mikemeusel/media/Mobile%20Uploads/VIDEO2217_0000029527_zpsxk1jaoqz.jpg.html)
(http://i357.photobucket.com/albums/oo19/mikemeusel/IMAG0898_zpsiwvxrfov.jpg) (http://s357.photobucket.com/user/mikemeusel/media/IMAG0898_zpsiwvxrfov.jpg.html)
(http://i357.photobucket.com/albums/oo19/mikemeusel/6573004c-ea9d-44bd-9037-af7031e21b1f_zpsd07wo6dj.jpg) (http://s357.photobucket.com/user/mikemeusel/media/6573004c-ea9d-44bd-9037-af7031e21b1f_zpsd07wo6dj.jpg.html)
Looks good. What is the weight? Wouldn't mind seeing it in person.
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Bubbles, I like the bow! But there is something about the tiller on the upper limb. I can quite put my finger on it. It looks like the upper limb is stiffer than the bottom. I see it in your braced and unbraced pic as well. I could be wrong but from your unbraced pics it looks like the bottom limb has taken more set than the top. I'm not saying that there is a real problem just that something looks off to me.
Is your bow asymmetrical by chance? Patrick
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50# @28 Pat. Leb- it is asymmetrical. Bottom limb is 1" shorter. I've just been having better luck with those layouts. I find, for whatever reason I get less handshock. And this one is shooting pretty good. I'm thinking the top limb needs to bend a little more though. They're pretty much even at full draw, but I want the top a smidge stiffer.
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Looks like you're also gripping it a tad low and accentuating the upper/ lower limb difference. Flipping your full draw picture vertically it looks like it could use a bit more bend mid-limb on the upper.
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Pat, I think that is what I was seeing now that you mentioned it.
Bubbles, that kinda explains the set I see. All in all it looks really good. So when should I expect to get it? >:D >:D Patrick
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:). Maybe I'll play with the arrow rest and nocking point and see if I can shift the limb strain without removing wood.
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So I got the first half of my takedown glued up. Again the billets weren't gonna work. I got into some serious checking. As they were never sealed when the guy cut em like 15 yrs ago and they sat in his barn. So ipe and hickory. We'll see how it goes.
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Also the tip only goes up to the 2x4 it's sitting on
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You want a set of sage billets? I can hook you up.
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I'm tapped out on trading ATM, thanks sleek. I've got a ton of Osage, just ain't dry yet. It'll be a year next month.
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Whos trading? Trading is not hooking someone up. I have a 6 year old stash and some staves that need more heat correction sideways than I want. So im gonna cut billets. Just cover shipping, if you want...
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I'm tapped out on trading ATM, thanks sleek. I've got a ton of Osage, just ain't dry yet. It'll be a year next month.
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You can rought a bow out of the sage to floor tiller and it will dry fast and the heat gun helps also when your putting some reflex in.
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Ya don't like my ipe ?!?
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I love ipe! And backed with a creamy hickory and polished with the deap redness of ipe and a high mirror gloss, oh baby. And that perry reflex you're putting in is just gonna add to its sexiness. I look forward to seeing it finished.
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And now onto tillering. My least favorite part. >:D the billets have a bit of natural deflex. I'm going to heat treat a bit more in once it is tillered. Lots of wigggles. It is bending pretty good already.
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Lookin' good guys. Excited to see everyone's progress. Im gonna ask for some more opinions. I gave it another heat treatment, and gained some poundage to work with. It was shooting pretty good before, and now It shoots real nice At 26". Its 51@27 right now, going to 28. Been working on removing the top limb twist, got it more under control. Turns out my earlier attempts i was scraping the wrong side, making it worse. I got a better balance between top and bottom limb, with the bottom limb a good amount stiffer at full draw. What does everyone think? Any more scrapes or take it to 28?
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My right hand drawing is not so great
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a little out of focus
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This is not necessary but, were I to do any more tiller adjustment id go mid limb upper limb. But again, not needed. You could heat the upper and lower third of tje upper limb to make the middle come around some... could be limb twist though im seeing.
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personally i think you should send that to me for closer inspection and me promptly forgetting to ever mail it back to you... :D
it looks great to my very very noob eyes...
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Yeah sleek, the last scrapes I took were mid limb on the upper. Perhaps I'll do a few more.
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personally i think you should send that to me for closer inspection and me promptly forgetting to ever mail it back to you... :D
it looks great to my very very noob eyes...
I'll rochambeau you for it.... I go first... >:D
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Yeah sleek, the last scrapes I took were mid limb on the upper. Perhaps I'll do a few more.
Not more than 5-7 scrapes depending on how hard you scrape.
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I would just sand the area with a succession of grits. on a sanding block.
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I'm with you guy's on the upper mid limb. But in the second full draw pic from the other side, it doesn't look too bad to me. Your right it could be the twist. Looking forward to seeing that one finished up! That will be a sweet shooter for sure! Patrick
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Well here is my progress. Its vine maple all natural reflex. Its a thumper. This is the most reflexed bow I have tillered yet. It started with about 7.5" and is still holding 3.5 right after shooting. Any input is welcome
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Looking good steelslinger. I have never worked with vine maple before.
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Looking good steelslinger!
Hunterbob, vine maple is pretty awesome stuff. The only bad thing I could find was that it didn't like a scraper.
Can't wait to see the finished results! Patrick
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It's warming up here. Gonna get working on an Osage stave as plan b. I'm gonna try and get the other billet glued up so I can get em fitted. Well see
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Looking sweet! Awesome how much reflex it has.
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Well guys, with being sick and the weather being crazy and life it's self. I haven't gotten any more work done on my trade bow. But managed to get some sinew processed out for sleeks trade bow. We made a trade, I get some nice goodies and he gets his trade bow sinewed. Hopefully we will have some pics this weekend!
On a different note. I know we all work with staves, boards, scrapers, draw knives, and rasp. All of these items can and will hurt you if your not careful. So when your working on your trade bow or anything in your shop. Please be careful!
Here is a picture of a pretty good gouge I got when my stave slipped out of my shave horse. I was really digging in wit my draw knife and not paying attention to how much pressure I was putting on the foot pedal. Now I was lucky because I was wearing a hoodie and this is from the sharp edges on the stave it's self. The draw knife hit me in the stomach too but not enough to even cut my shirt. So please be careful and have fun. I would hate for someone not to be able to finish their trade bow because of an accident. Patrick
(http://i1335.photobucket.com/albums/w668/lebhuntfish1/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-02/20150214_002216_zpsv8igg4w8.jpg) (http://s1335.photobucket.com/user/lebhuntfish1/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-02/20150214_002216_zpsv8igg4w8.jpg.html)
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I really thought that was a buttcheek at first. :)
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Not to be a smarta$$ but that looks like a scratch to me ::) Gouges require stitches >:D
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That's true yesterday I was working on a stave and I put it in a vise and then butt the end into my stomach while I use the draw knife and I got done and noticed breathing felt weird. I looked in the mirror and have this baseball size bruise right below my rib cage. BATTLE WOUNDS
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Bubbles, give me a break man, I know I'm fat but do you think I would have posted a pic of my butt! >:D
Paul, scratch is probably more like it. That pic was just after it happened. I should have taken one when I had the fist size bruise around it. Patrick
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Slow and steady wins the race.
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So got plan b going. Thinking a r/d style.
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Looks good. I like that stave! I see why you're thinking reflex /deflex!
Looks like your shop is as well organized as mine. >:D Patrick
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Whoooah didn't know this site allowed stuff like that....That's definitely a butt cheek! Who are you trying to kid! ;) ;)
On a different note I somehow managed to delete my trade bow guys details/specs.....I've PM'ed the Bowtrade2015 account but got no reply. Hopefully they see it here and can PM me my guys specs again please. I'm ready for final tillering, I was going to do a lam bow but as I didn't have the specs I didn't want to cut lams that were too thick and then spend more time than needed on reducing them afterwards so i've gone for a plain,simple get the job done elm flatbow.
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If you know your guy name, you could look up their specs on the sign up page from back in February. You might give that a shot, it takes a few minutes but you could get it finished while you're waiting for their address. Patrick
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I'm on it mike ;)
Oh no, wait, you're not on my list... I'll message the others, but whoever gave you your poor victim's name ( >:D ) should be the only one who knows who you're matched with.
Going to be cutting into plan A pretty soon, plan B is in a build-along I've been promising Reddit for a long time, just finished chasing the ring.
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;) I think my trade bow is finished. The grande moose bow. Markus. ;)
(http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b506/timian46/16bb5254-95f5-4d80-b05f-5bf68a7daf6d_zps51a83e10.jpg) (http://s1289.photobucket.com/user/timian46/media/16bb5254-95f5-4d80-b05f-5bf68a7daf6d_zps51a83e10.jpg.html)
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Markus you must of stunned everyone with those pictures. Lol.no offense but if that's your trade bow I hope you didn't draw my name.lol
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Yeah I dunno man...
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If you look at the start of the post I am fairly sure this is a good jab in the ribs. One can hope I guess.
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If you look at the start of the post I am fairly sure this is a good jab in the ribs. One can hope I guess.
Yea I am fairly sure of that.
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Im just glad Patrick's butt isnt the first thing I see when I open the thread now.
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I'll be shipping in a couple of days, just need a coat of oil and off it goes. Markus.
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Im just glad Patrick's butt isnt the first thing I see when I open the thread now.
hahaha. :)
i think we're getting spoofed by markus....
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Cleaned up the first part of plan A. Gotta lay it out and start fitting the sleeve. Glued some quilted maple and English walnut on her. Also my best glue lines! Hopefully plan B works out as well ;)
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All the work looks great!hammer on!cut out another elm blank yesterday.want to try a couple lam bows when it's warmer before I decide.
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Look what I got today!
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7613/16662617219_91c3d9649a.jpg)
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What are those...elephant toe nails?! :P...I will eventually make something with a bamboo backing. That's a lot of boo! Post the finished product please! :D
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Boo!
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So I got plan b layer out. One limb has some twist but it comes out at the tip. It's gonna be a RD style. Slight bend in the handle as it's pretty thin, and I like bendy bows. What yall think? Will that twist be a problem of its mid limb.
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Bump.
Remember to check in periodically!
Plan A has been reduced to about the right width all around, going to have to straighten a little, and plan B is the subject of a little build-along ;) ;D
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Folks looking good. Checking in no real update. I am getting settled in GA so if I don't die from a heatstroke I should start my bow soon.
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Nothing to reported this time, hopefully this weekend I'll get a little Shop time to work on my trade bow. I think plan a is going to plan c. I'm not as sure about it as I thought I was. But plan b has been screaming at me to become a bow. Patrick
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Just putting the finishing touches on
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Had to check in on the bowtrade. Have to say the last couple of pages have been quite entertaining ;D
Patrick, I have to say I am with Paul regarding your injury diagnosis ;D
Blaflair, I am saving a pic of your shop, to show my ladyfriend when she comments on the messiness of my shop ;)
Nice bows coming along!
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Lol Its a little messy Carson!
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Can't say I've got much more done than before. Floor tillered and ready for alignment. But I'm finally down to two jobs so I'll be able to get something done as soon as I get back from Mexico.
Though I've got something I havnt ran into before, there was a damaged spot on the stave that the tree grew back over. So on the back its a couple layers of solid wood and on the belly it appears like its naturally laminated side by side. It's mid limb and at the moment about 4" long but I think this should be gone by the time tillering is done. Though because of this there is some curl on just the edge of the limb that goes back to belly for about 1/2" of the width. I'm just worried about the curl if it will cause me problems. I sure hope not since I love the look it gives that spot.
Kyle
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I've been busy with work and a sick wife. Carson, mine is way worse.
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Mines pretty much built. Just letting it drop a bit more moisture so I can heat treat the belly, then lay sinew and finish tiller.
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Plans A-E: Three elm staves laid out and reduced. Waiting for them to lose some moisture. I think one of them will be a really good bow for the trade. As backup, I have one Juniper, sinew backed and curing. One maple. Also a Sidewinder osage stave if all else fails. That one is for my son, if I can get a bow from one of the others. After violently blowing up the last stave I tillered, I admit I am feeling gun shy about bending wood at the moment. Every little flaw makes me skittish.
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Just do it Jeff >:D says the guy who hasn't had one break yet... :-\ soon enough I'm sure!
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Got my plan A shooting. I know I have a good one when I don't want to give I away. Seems to shoot well. Very smooth. Still need a bit of tiller work and to shape the tips.
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I've more or less finished mine, it just needs shooting some and fine tuning.....then i've got to cut it in half and turn it into a takedown...... >:D
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I've more or less finished mine, it just needs shooting some and fine tuning.....then i've got to cut it in half and turn it into a takedown...... >:D
maybe I did mine the hard way. >:D I've been known to do that from time to time!
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Little teaser. Top limb is done except many many coats of. Poly. Bottom limb needs another hour or so.
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Got plan A shooting today.64-1/2ntn elm stave, shoots quite good and fast(kinda holmie design).had a bit of deflex on one side of both limbs that came back after a medium cooking.now on to plan B,same style 60-1/2" ntn.i love the way a holmgaard shoots,even better than a molly I think! >:D!seems more stable anyways 6 in a pie plate, flat as a pancake at 25 yards today made me go holy cow,shoots pretty good and i'm a bad shot!lol!
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I love those Holmies of yours bushy can't wait to see it!
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My wife had a stroke nearly two weeks ago so my heartwood hickory trade bow work got side tracked. BUT, it's about 95% tillered and I still need to reduce the weight a bit. Hoping to glue on the tip overlays tomorrow......she's coming but more slowly these days. Maybe I can post a pic soon.
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Sorry about your wife drewster.
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Thanks Bob. She had a fairly mild stroke and she is starting to make progress, so we're blessed about that.
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Sorry about ur wife man. Best wishes
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Sorry to hear about your wife bud. I will keep her in my prayers. Patrick
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Well I got a chance to work on plan B today. Well now it's plan A. This is such a sweet stave and I can't wait to get back at it. It has a bit of natural deflex /reflex and I'm hoping for something that looks like a 5 curve. I may need a little help on tiller with this one. I've not tillered a 5 curve design. But I really like them and I'm up for the new challenges. Here is a couple of shots of the roughed out stave. Patrick
(http://i1335.photobucket.com/albums/w668/lebhuntfish1/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-03/20150322_151228_zpsj9ts6nig.jpg) (http://s1335.photobucket.com/user/lebhuntfish1/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-03/20150322_151228_zpsj9ts6nig.jpg.html) (http://i1335.photobucket.com/albums/w668/lebhuntfish1/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-03/20150322_151143_zpselcdlzve.jpg) (http://s1335.photobucket.com/user/lebhuntfish1/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-03/20150322_151143_zpselcdlzve.jpg.html)
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Deflex both limbs out the fades into mid limb. Then reflex the outter thirds to the point the tips come above the back 2-3 inches. Tiller it to look like a full draw horn bow . At least, thats what I would do....
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Sounds good! Patrick
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Bump!
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Here's plan A,got B on the short string
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That looks really nice bushboy! I really like that profile! Patrick
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Plan A,B and C still in stave form.
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Lookin good!
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I likey! Patrick
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Looking nice bush
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Just got caught up on the thread. I've been traveling in Congo DR for the last three weeks. Really wonderful trip. When I left MN it was -20 F and last night we had thunder storms go through. So I am ready to be out in the garage here now and do some work on my bow.
Glad to hear your wife is doing ok Drewster.
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Kinda quiet around here.anyways plan B kinda ended up being a bit like a eiffel molly.
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Looking good buddy!
Nothing to report here. A and B are still roughed out standing in the corner. Patrick
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Can't wait to start mine
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I've actually got more work in plan B than A, B being in a build-along and a more simple design ::)
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Black locust takedown. Home made sleeve, copper and micarta. Pin knocks are buffalo bone and copper. Denim backed. The top and bottom of the backing is wrapped with nylon fly thread (300 yards >:D) . Last weight was #57 @28. I really don't want to give this one away. That is how I know I've done a good job.
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Awesome bows everyone! Just letting you all know I'm still around. And working on my trade bow. I had to relocate for work for the summer, but now I'm back in business.
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I still have my trade bow dropping moisture in the corner waiting on sinew. There is a remote possibility that I may just say heck with that and build another... have a few im looking at right now.
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Got this one shooting.took about 1" of set so far,ok for a heavier bow.
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Nice one Bushboy! Patrick
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That's a nice bend man....what's the front profile look like?
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Pics not that great,but will give an idea.
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I like that one. Do you need my address? :)
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I like the profile and the cambium you left on the back...I still wanna try one like that!
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I really like this one but alas there is always small imperfections!there are a couple of small cracks that developed juring seasoning.they are cosmetic, but I still hate them!in the inner fade where it dosn't bend,may be my ocd?
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Oh yeah, those are real killers, might as well send it to me O:)
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I really like this one but alas there is always small imperfections!there are a couple of small cracks that developed juring seasoning.they are cosmetic, but I still hate them!in the inner fade where it dosn't bend,may be my ocd?
Gives the bow a nice look.
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Well, my bow is nearing completion BUT, the bottom limb has taken more set than I like. I've heat treated it twice and it has not responded like the top limb. I'm not happy. Will most likely start on another bow this coming week. This is my first trade bow and I'm not satisfied with less than my best.
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I'm still in the game. The bow I posted back on page 10 is all done and shoots great. And I'm not using it in the trade.
I had to redo the handle lam. I took the osage off, used a different wood and different glue and had to sinew wrap in 5 places to hide little pin knot cracks on the edge of the limbs. I stained the whole thing and its rather ancient looking now, literally. Its actually gonna be a great bow and looks decent but its just not what I want for my recipient.
I have a plan B with sinew curing and if that doesn't work then plan C is roughed out and drying.........
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Rosewood overlays ready for shaping
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I just had an Ah ha! moment most of you may call a no duh moment. I just realized the trade bow I am building is going to a very different climate than where I am and as a result may fail or not perform as well. I need to rebuild.
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I finished my trade bow up last night. Thinking I will try to ship before the end of next week.
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Can't wait to see your vine maple all finished up picture steelslinger
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Finally able to get a little more done. Did some straightening and aligning. It's not perfect yet but a lot closer than it was. One limb has a good kink from a knot that I'm not trying to get perfect I just want to get it on a similar plane as the other. on the belly side the wood fibers are running in directions I was afraid would break apart of I tried bending it so I bent the limb past the knot. The kink was heated again this morning and I'll take the clamps off when I get off wrk. Between the kink and tip/handle alignment I got it close enough to get a long string on and I can fine tune the corrections as I get it bending more.
Kyle
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Can't wait to see your vine maple all finished up picture steelslinger
Here's a sneak peek.
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Very nice! Patrick
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That looks great steelslinger. Can't wait to see more when it arrives here:^)
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Hey, I thought that was mine! >:D Patrick
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Nice looking bows fellas
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Gonna be shipping out this weekend. I'll leave the FD pic up to the recipient.
(http://i357.photobucket.com/albums/oo19/mikemeusel/Maple%20Flatbow%20Flipped%20Tips%2050-55%2028/P4100003_zpsgilnc5rt_edit_1428684232973_zpsqj7cpreb.jpg) (http://s357.photobucket.com/user/mikemeusel/media/Maple%20Flatbow%20Flipped%20Tips%2050-55%2028/P4100003_zpsgilnc5rt_edit_1428684232973_zpsqj7cpreb.jpg.html)
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(http://i357.photobucket.com/albums/oo19/mikemeusel/Maple%20Flatbow%20Flipped%20Tips%2050-55%2028/P4100007_zpsh6j6q414_edit_1428684175895_zpsuyesecpr.jpg) (http://s357.photobucket.com/user/mikemeusel/media/Maple%20Flatbow%20Flipped%20Tips%2050-55%2028/P4100007_zpsh6j6q414_edit_1428684175895_zpsuyesecpr.jpg.html)
(http://i357.photobucket.com/albums/oo19/mikemeusel/Maple%20Flatbow%20Flipped%20Tips%2050-55%2028/P4100004_zpsy2rexnyi.jpg) (http://s357.photobucket.com/user/mikemeusel/media/Maple%20Flatbow%20Flipped%20Tips%2050-55%2028/P4100004_zpsy2rexnyi.jpg.html)
(http://i357.photobucket.com/albums/oo19/mikemeusel/Maple%20Flatbow%20Flipped%20Tips%2050-55%2028/P4100008_zpshubnchon_edit_1428684083451_zpsjwh4ab5d.jpg) (http://s357.photobucket.com/user/mikemeusel/media/Maple%20Flatbow%20Flipped%20Tips%2050-55%2028/P4100008_zpshubnchon_edit_1428684083451_zpsjwh4ab5d.jpg.html)
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That's sweet bubbles
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Totally dig the vine handle wrap. Whats the final stats on that one? It has the perfect amount of reflex on the tips. Nice bow sir!
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Thanks guys! Final stats are 52#@28. 67", 2" at the fades. I made it a bit longer because its gonna have to deal with some humidity.... Thats just a rattan wrap on the handle. A vine or spruce root wrap would be sweet, just need to make sure its not a poison ivy vine. :)
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Looks great!
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Got mine all sanded out for finish,not sure it's the one but maybe?gonna cut some elm pretty quick,maybe a quick dry sap?
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Bubbles that is a classy looking bow. Job well done. Can't wait to see a full draw picture
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I've been shooting my trade bow for two days now and I think it's a winner. Still holding 2" of reflex. Prolly ship in a week or so.
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I've started on my plan A bow. I'm using the osage stave I got from sidewinder when he was trimming down his collection. Its a little shorter than i'm used to, about 63" if I recall. There were some cracks along the back, but none were deep and all came out then I chased it to one ring. I think I'm going to try and recurve the tips a little which will be first for me. I'll try and get some pics next time I work on it.
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But I do have a pic of today's workshop location.
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Whereabouts is that?
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Flagstaff
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I love Flagstaff. Beautiful area. the town always smells like ponderosa pine.
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Thanks guys! Final stats are 52#@28. 67", 2" at the fades. I made it a bit longer because its gonna have to deal with some humidity.... Thats just a rattan wrap on the handle. A vine or spruce root wrap would be sweet, just need to make sure its not a poison ivy vine. :)
if you would have used poison ivy you could have named it "itchy"......
but i am jealous of the recipient... beautiful bow...
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Plan "B" bow underway in my shop, but not a scenic as E. Jensen's workshop. It would be hard to keep my mind on work if I was out there.
Maybe this billet stave will behave......some prime hickory.
(http://i1169.photobucket.com/albums/r509/drewsumrell/Plan%20B%20Trade%20Bow_zpspjhrrnn8.jpg) (http://s1169.photobucket.com/user/drewsumrell/media/Plan%20B%20Trade%20Bow_zpspjhrrnn8.jpg.html)
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Don't no if this one will be a swap bow or not but no matter what I think heat is needed.(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e383/gillk/20150412_110142_zpspxafn4yc.jpg) (http://s43.photobucket.com/user/gillk/media/20150412_110142_zpspxafn4yc.jpg.html)
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I finally got out of my funk so here is a little update on my plan B that has turned into plan A. I've got it roughed out and an even thickness in the limbs. I've got to do a little bit more on one fade. Then get it Bending good for floor tiller. Then a few sessions of heat bending and a good heat treat. Patrick
(http://i1335.photobucket.com/albums/w668/lebhuntfish1/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-04/20150414_193435_zpsscqxqpl4.jpg) (http://s1335.photobucket.com/user/lebhuntfish1/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-04/20150414_193435_zpsscqxqpl4.jpg.html) (http://i1335.photobucket.com/albums/w668/lebhuntfish1/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-04/20150414_193511_zpsnuzfmw6k.jpg) (http://s1335.photobucket.com/user/lebhuntfish1/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-04/20150414_193511_zpsnuzfmw6k.jpg.html) (http://i1335.photobucket.com/albums/w668/lebhuntfish1/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-04/20150414_193741_zpsgtirwvha.jpg) (http://s1335.photobucket.com/user/lebhuntfish1/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-04/20150414_193741_zpsgtirwvha.jpg.html)
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Nice looking stave gonna be sweet.
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Thanks, I got some challenges to overcome with it. Might even need some advice for a bit of it. But if it works out it will turn out sweet!Patrick
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Thanks, I got some challenges to overcome with it. Might even need some advice for a bit of it. But if it works out it will turn out sweet!Patrick
that's why we do it though right? If it was easy we would get bored. I think that kink in the handle would be the trickiest part. I am almost done with a Osage bow that I took 2 months just looking at to try and figure how to lay it out with the checks in it.
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Do I have the other half of that stave pat? The roughed out bow you gave me?
I finally got out of my funk so here is a little update on my plan B that has turned into plan A. I've got it roughed out and an even thickness in the limbs. I've got to do a little bit more on one fade. Then get it Bending good for floor tiller. Then a few sessions of heat bending and a good heat treat. Patrick
(http://i1335.photobucket.com/albums/w668/lebhuntfish1/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-04/20150414_193435_zpsscqxqpl4.jpg) (http://s1335.photobucket.com/user/lebhuntfish1/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-04/20150414_193435_zpsscqxqpl4.jpg.html) (http://i1335.photobucket.com/albums/w668/lebhuntfish1/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-04/20150414_193511_zpsnuzfmw6k.jpg) (http://s1335.photobucket.com/user/lebhuntfish1/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-04/20150414_193511_zpsnuzfmw6k.jpg.html) (http://i1335.photobucket.com/albums/w668/lebhuntfish1/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-04/20150414_193741_zpsgtirwvha.jpg) (http://s1335.photobucket.com/user/lebhuntfish1/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-04/20150414_193741_zpsgtirwvha.jpg.html)
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No Kevin, the one you have is from a fence post. Patrick
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Have my profile all roughed out, going to chase another ring methinks. Remember to keep checking in guys!
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Wow. Very similar.
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watching wood dry at the moment.
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I'm with Jeff at the moment. Option #1 is a bit past floor tiller and has recurves, but I don't want to bend it too much until it loses a bit more moisture.
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My bow is braced and slowly being worked down
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Seems to be getting quiet here. If you haven't posted let us know where you're at.
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I'm making myself a bow before I continue for the trade. Got a bone to pick with s yeller stick.
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I'm not any further but I got the recurve about finished. So I'm closer to getting more done on the trade bow. It just needs the finish put on and a few final details then I'll be back to the trade bow. In 90 percent humidity it takes forever for tru oil to dry. I'm wishing I would have used the beeswax deer tallow mix.
Kyle
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I've been finishing up some other projects, but they're done now and I'm sifting through my stave stash.
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Well I've been getting frustrated with my scraper. So I went and found my original one and put a new burr on it, that sucker is great now. Took some digging. I really gotta clean. The takedown is floor Tillered. Need to make a tillering string. The Osage I'm making myself is taking forever to cut the profile. Trying to get it near floor tiller then gonna do some reflexing. It's got a natural r/d profile. Just gonna accentuate the tips and try and take some of this mid limb twist. If it twists and comes back at the tips, do I need to remove it still?
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Im diligently watching the package tracker.
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Where is it going bubbles? >:D Patrick
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Beautiful bow bubbles
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Can I expect it today bubbles :^)
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nope, not today, maybe not tomorrow either...:)
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Pretty sure I'll have time to get mine bending a bit and overlaid tomorrow. Going to have to steam the handle for a little alignment work.
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bubbles, got the bow today, it is a beautiful bow, you seem to have had someone that knows me whispering in your ear, it is perfect for me, I shot about 25 arrows this afternoon and it is quiet and fast, I'll post pics tomorrow.
Thank you
Johnny
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Sweeeet! Glad you like it Johnny.
Mike.
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What kind of maple is it, I've had no experience with maple self bows, the heat treating really works great.
Johnny
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It is good old Sugar Maple.
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Pat would know, he cut the stave. :)
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Nice bow bubblea. Congrats duke. Sounds like you are happy. Can't wait to see more pics of it
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Update on mine. Still roughed out standing in the corner. Probably won't get much done on it till after the classic. Going to Omaha this weekend to see my wife. Then the classic next weekend.
Bow looks good bubbles! I bet Duke was surprised! Can't wait to see more pics either. Patrick
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bubbles trade bow(http://)
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Beautiful!
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Looks good on ya :) That's the first bow ive sent south of the border, and especially that far south. Very exciting.
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Very nice, Very nice! Patrick
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Very nice indeed!
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bubbles, I shot the bow some more today, the unbraced photo in my hands is after about fifty shots,it really likes my cane arrows spined at 50#, they group better than I shoot. I really like the bow, need to get me some sugar maple, we have maple trees here, but I have no idea what they are, maybe, Pat M could enlighten me about maple wood, I know it is used as cores in horn and sinew bows,
Thanks
Johnny
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Awesome, i figured you guys didnt have too much sugar maple down there. Glad I could add another wood to your bow rack. :)
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More of bubbles maple bow, the arrow group I shot at 25 yards.(http://)
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It's only fitting that the other half of that tree is going to be a horsebow. ;)
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Impressive bubbles,looks great!only got about 50 shots thru her(agrevaited shoulder injury) but it shoots well and held most of the reflex.got a blank ready to go and gonna try a maple backed rosewood(panama)before I decide.
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Have my edges smoothed out for steaming into alignment, then I'm going to chase one more ring and start tapering the belly.
Keep checking in guys, come on. I'm going to start calling people before too long!
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Mine is almost ready to start doing some alignment. Probably get some more work done on it after the classic. Patrick
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My hickory billet bow is good and dry so I cut out the profile today and thinned the limbs down with the band saw. I'm going to give it a couple more days to adjust to the wood removal then start floor tillering. Man, the wood in these limbs is beautiful......not a flaw to be seen.....really pretty hickory from a 110 year old tree.
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Sounds like a great piece of hickory. Must be on the mediteranean diet.
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Sounds like a great piece of hickory. Must be on the mediteranean diet.
Ah Bubbles, North Carolina mountain soil diet.......29" dia. inside the bark.....big olde boy.
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Mine will be turned into a takedown before not too long....i've been very busy lately but will get her done soon. Not enough hours in the day!
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Mine will be turned into a takedown before not too long....i've been very busy lately but will get her done soon. Not enough hours in the day!
I hear ya buddy! Patrick
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Finish kinda came out like frog skin.on the fence, leather or jute wrap?opinions welcome,thx's
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If you must, leather. Otherwise leave it wood!
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I'd go with leather.
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I vote leather
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Im a sucker for a nice leather grip as well.
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I vote leather also
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Leather would be my preference for sure.
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I'm actually partial to a bare grip/ leather pass, especially if there's a knot involved.
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I like bare wood. Interrupting the nice smooth flow of the wood with a piece of something just jars my eye. Some handles are works of art though, so you have to weigh one against the other.
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Plan A just died of a bad back. It cracked while trying to straighten a compound curve. (Note to self: take out one twist at a time not all of them at once.)
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Started floor tillering my bow yesterday. Needs a bit more work then I'll heat treat her. Making progress.
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I'm back from the classic so now it's time to get going on this trade bow. Going to try and get it floor tillered this weekend. Which means it's going to get some Bending done to it as well. Patrick
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I am about done with the finish on mine. I'm hoping to have it out the end o next week.
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Plan B is having issues, good thing A is promising. I had extra rings over the tips for self-back nocks but I'm going with ebony now, hope that's okay ;)
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Not a lot to update . I've been traveling a lot for work. I have some nice staves and I'll bang one out. Just got back from Haiti and off to Thailand and Laos tomorrow.
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Well done some more work last night. Just about got it floor tillered. Just about time for some heat corrections. Patrick
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I've been lolligaging on mine but I've got a couple weeks of free time coming up so I should be able to get to it. Mine is profiled, and shaved down some, but there are a few dead knots that aren't so dead on the belly that I'm dealing with.
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I have officially shipped. I will let the recipient post pics if he feels it's worthy :)
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Awesome JohnW! When should I be looking for it! >:D Patrick
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I got a couple things in the works, I'm leaning toward the ipe takedown. Gotta make a longer string. I'm gonna need some advice in tillering. I also came into possession of some 10 yr old Osage lumber, 6' of straight grain >:D ordered some boo from Carson. So we'll see if I get something glued up. Sometimes I'm just not into a particular bow ATM and I start something else. To at least have it ready to go when I feel. We'll see who the contenders are. I gotta make about 6 strings for the others too. We got a bit O:)
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Totally know what you mean. If you arent in to mood, dont touch it. Only thgin I will do is debark and chase rings when im not in the mood. That way right now actually.
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I'm almost done with the last of the bows I had promised people before the trade, so I'm almost ready to to put some time into my TB. I just gotta clean it up, put on the finish and make a string for it.
Kyle
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Well plan A drew first blood!mine!lol! One of my shoot in banged up arrows broke in 2, back half shot off opposite of. The arrow pass.had to pull out 4 carbon fiber splinters out of my thumb that dug in more than inch!owwie!my daughter said it was cool, so I think it may be the one the green mollegaard!
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There should be no such thing as banged up shoot in arrows. As you have discovered, they are very dangerous. Im glad your ok, but it could have been much much worse. Google arrow in hand images to get an idea. Please, for the sake of you and anybody around, get rid of arrows with damaged shafts.
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Yes sleek,once bitten, twice shy! Tried a. Couple of girdal style leather wraps,but somehow they didn't look right.so I found some elm bark from last year,cleaned up the inner bark and have soaking in linseed oil.never tried this before so I don't know how it will work?
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Been a bit too quiet here lately. How is everyone? I have been slacking quite a bit. Shot my trade bow a bit more tonight. Placed the knocking point and added rabbit string silencers. I want to get it out next pay day, so next week. Seems like a gooder. I had an issue with the top limb sticking in the socket, but go that figured out. I hope my guy likes it.
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Im just getting back from school so im thinking dog would elb
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I have officially shipped. I will let the recipient post pics if he feels it's worthy :)
Where are the pictures >:( Its been almost 2 weeks. If I got a JonW bow in the mail I'd be posting pictures of it and showing it off.
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I've been getting very little work done an my bow here lately. If it rains this weekend I will be in the shop for sure. Got it floor tillered but this build isn't out of the norm for me. I tend to take my time. Hope to have it done by mojam and shoot it a bunch there. Patrick
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I have officially shipped. I will let the recipient post pics if he feels it's worthy :)
Where are the pictures >:( Its been almost 2 weeks. If I got a JonW bow in the mail I'd be posting pictures of it and showing it off.
It was definitely beautiful. Unfortunately, it didn't last long. It succumbed to a tiny pin knot within the first ten minutes after I unwrapped it. I wish I'd taken some pics before... the incident. I was test drawing to get a feel for it, and I heard a tic, but I drew it again like a moron and boom. Pin knots are tricky, as we all know. It definitely wasn't Jon's fault. If anything, it was mine, but when I told Jon he immediately offered to send me another one. I can hardly wait. He's seems like a great guy.
I took some pics after the break. Its still beautiful, even in two pieces. You can see where the crack started in the pin knot, then spread to the outside.
(http://i879.photobucket.com/albums/ab359/J05H/IMG_20150514_011150722.jpg)
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BTW, you can see one of my works in progress propped up in the background of the first pic. It just roughed out at the moment but I plan to get it on the caul very soon. My other in progress bow is off the caul and ready for tillering. I'll post some pics when I have something interesting to post.
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That sucks man! I wouldnt know how to react either as the builder or recipient. But wood is unpredictable. Especially when changing climates. Glad he is replacing it for you, not that any of us wouldnt.
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If the bow I ship breaks, even in the first year, I would want to know about it, and would do my best to send another. I have option D (A broke, and I am skipping B and C for now, because D is better wood) down to floor tiller. Laid out and reduced option E some tonight. One of these is going to work, and I will know a lot more about siberian elm before I am done. F and G look like good wood too.
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If the bow I ship breaks, even in the first year, I would want to know about it, and would do my best to send another.
+1 for sure! Patrick
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I guarantee my bows against material failure for a year and work with people as much as I can after that. Accidents happen and sometimes you can stop just a couple test shots short of a break ;)
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The only thing I will guarantee is that Josh will get a bow. No matter how many he breaks. :D I may have to make a few but that is the fun in it. I was due for an explosion as it had been awhile. Keeps you from getting the big head.
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Tough break jon,happen to me in the 2013 trade,sucks!well got plan A all finished.just have to make a string. Little peek,elm bark wrap and strike plate.
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Wow. Looks sweet. I think I may do a little this and that to mine as well. I'm not quite satisfied yet. I want my guy to be happy as a two peckered billy goat.
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Now that came out about perfect!
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Would a sapling bow be appropriate for the swap? I remember hearing people say that red oak board bows were not encouraged so I wasn't sure about what is expected. My plan A osage and plan B osage are being stubborn, and time is ticking. But I have a pretty nice elm sapling that might be a little easier to complete by the deadline. Tell me straight what you guys think thanks.
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If you put your all into it I don't think anyone here would have a problem with what they got. Me personally, I would be happy with whatever someone decided to make for me. Anyone that feels different can chime in. But I doubt there are any.
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Red oak makes great bows and saplings actually suit the tension/compression values of a lot of species of wood. Especially elm!
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As long as you do your best, I'm sure anyone involved in this trade would be happy.
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I would be tickled to get an elm sapling bow! Not saying that to be nice, really, elm saplings make the best. Red oak? Hey, if you know what you are doing red oak makes wonderful bows as well. They get a bad wrap because beginners use them and you can imagine what begginers do to them...
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Copy that guys. I'll see what progress I can make this week.
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What is the shipping deadline again?
In Thailand now. Got some nice wood to bring home. Need to get my Tradgang trade done first and then onto this one.
Bows are looking good. Sorry about the break Jon. Good of you to make another.
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August 15th, Guar! Its getting closer every day! Patrick
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Got some more done. I've decided I'm going to build up the grip a bit for a medium high wrist, mostly becuase that's what I've been loving recently ::)
(http://i.imgur.com/XwPy116.jpg)
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Bocote overlays and a slightly snaky lever. Had to do it ;) It's 52" ntn, going to give it a little r/d.
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Thats sweet! If I ever want to trade for a molly, I know who I would ask! Looking good!
Mine is still standing in the corner, floor tillered. I have been so busy, and frankly kinda out of the mood. But I've been bitten by the bug again today but will have to wait till Monday. Watch out Osage, here I come! Patrick
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I'm getting a few other things done then gotta tiller a few bows and see who makes it.
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Well added some heat to get tips lined up. Now while I let it set I will work on a hickory pyramid bow. So either could be my bow or neither you know how that goes.
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Finishing is well under way on my hickory trade bow.
(http://i1169.photobucket.com/albums/r509/drewsumrell/Bow%20Tip_zpstkf90pbp.jpg) (http://s1169.photobucket.com/user/drewsumrell/media/Bow%20Tip_zpstkf90pbp.jpg.html)
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I'm finishing up my trade bow as well. Few more coats of finish, and a fancy handle wrap. Hoping to send it off in the next week
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That's a sweet looking tip drewster!
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That's a sweet looking tip drewster!
I agree like it..............but sometimes hickory is hard to stain / finish.
DBar
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Ok I got a bit done this weekend by no means a finished bow but progress. I heated up the osage bow for the second time and I think I have the tips close enough to tiller it a bit now. I did some scraps on the hickory pyrmid bow. I will try and get pics up late this week of my progress.
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I'm finishing up my trade bow as well. Few more coats of finish, and a fancy handle wrap. Hoping to send it off in the next week
I can't wait till it arrives on my doorstep, Goat! :D
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I haven't worked on my bow all week, went to the ER. Dr said I have the worse sinus infection he's ever seen. The left side of my head seriously feel likes its gonna blow up, and someone is poking my eye out from behind. I can barely open my eye and its bright red. I've never felt stuff like this before. Catscan just said it's a really massive sinus blockage/infection. I just want it to be over. The put me on a new set of mess via the other ones didn't help. Send some good vibes my way of your could fellas.
Gonna try and make it through work and get a sting made tonight. The other was shorter than planned. I guess I'm a little rusty
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I'm finishing up my trade bow as well. Few more coats of finish, and a fancy handle wrap. Hoping to send it off in the next week
I can't wait till it arrives on my doorstep, Goat! :D
Still hoping for the Goat lottery? I wish you well sir!
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Got it to full brace and back to about 15" then heat treated. just glued up some zebra wood block for the overlays. When the glue is dried in the morning I'll work on narrowing the tips and bringing it to weight. Being black locust I would normally trap the back but I'm debating if it's worth trying with there being several drying cracks and several pin knots. I'll decide that when I get a little further along.
Kyle
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Aw, that doesn't need trapping. It's a beautiful snaky piece!
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I agree!
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Well, today I did a thing.
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Been pretty quiet here. You guys must be busy busy busy...
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I'm busy trying not to hang it up from this stupid pain. I gotta get me heat gun out for a few things. Got a little twist on an Osage bow, and still camping on the takedown. Lol. I'll get at em once these shingles are gone
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My bow is nearly finished. Just a handle wrap and some shooting in! I'll share it soon
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I'm sure it's freaking sweet like usual wizard! When should I expect it?
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Blafair I had shingles a few weeks ago. It was so miserable. I feel for you. I didn't get anything done either
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Hope you get to feeling better blaflair2
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Plan A is in the closet finished.plan b is almost there,littler longer than I like but is a hell of a shooter!
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just put finish on plan a
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I got some more straightening to do then a heat treat and some tillering! Might try to do the final touches at mojam!
Maybe if my guy comes to mojam I will give it to him in person! Patrick
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Plan A and B are coming along well, Not sure about plan C. What do you guys think?
(http://i.imgur.com/8NrFh61.jpg?1)
(http://i.imgur.com/O3s2dhL.jpg)
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That one might fit my draw huisme.
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Looks like a mean lizard getter lol
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Well I got a little more time in on my plan A. Got it roughed in a little more and scraped the inner bark off the back.
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Well I got a little more time in on my plan A. Got it roughed in a little more and scraped the inner bark off the back.
Looks really good, I love that profile! I have an Osage bow that is almost identical to that one. It's really fast and shoots great! Patrick
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Well I done a little prop work tonight. Got one limb formed and heat treated last night. Hope to have it braced by The weekend! Patrick
(http://i1335.photobucket.com/albums/w668/lebhuntfish1/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-06/20150616_200804_zps1chjiyux.jpg) (http://s1335.photobucket.com/user/lebhuntfish1/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-06/20150616_200804_zps1chjiyux.jpg.html)
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Think this is the one.
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That's a beauty! Nice one bushboy
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Nice bushboy! Is that a cherry bark handle?
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That is beautiful bushboy! I love the handle! Patrick
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Thx's guys,it's elm bark on and elm bow,might even be it's own bark?lol.
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Very cool! I'm going to have to learn how to do that. Patrick
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Looks sweet bush boy.
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Caught a couple carp yesterday and the skins went on this morning. Now for the wait for it to dry. Then to finish shooting it in and pretty it up while working on plan B.
Kyle
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looks very cool 8)
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Gotta restart the skins tomorrow evening. I had the bow in my room to dry since it has been raining at some point almost every day for the last several weeks. And my moms dog found a new chew toy. Luckily she didn't get ahold of it much and just chewed on the fringes of the skin and pulled it loose in spots. I'm glad the TB3 wasn't dry yet and I was able to pull the skins off and clean them to reuse. Oh well, part of not having a work shop and pets in the house.
Kyle
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Gotta restart the skins tomorrow evening. I had the bow in my room to dry since it has been raining at some point almost every day for the last several weeks. And my moms dog found a new chew toy. Luckily she didn't get ahold of it much and just chewed on the fringes of the skin and pulled it loose in spots. I'm glad the TB3 wasn't dry yet and I was able to pull the skins off and clean them to reuse. Oh well, part of not having a work shop and pets in the house.
Kyle
That sucks! But at least you were able to save them. Patrick
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Mo_coon-catcher, did you have to degrease those skins before application and if so how did you do it?
Bow looks great!!
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I washed them in dawn a couple times after fleshing them clean. Then I wiped the back of the bow down a couple times with rubbing alcohol to help it stick. Right now they are soaking in water to get as much of the glue off as I can before I put them back on. To gt them as flat as I can I wrapped them with a bike inner tube to squeeze them down then after a coule minutes unwrapped it so I couple get the creases caused by the wrap out before it dried on. I've done it without the wrap and there are no wrap lines but it doesn't have as form fitted of look, so I tried one with a wrap and let it dry but it had those wrap lines so now I'm trying a wrap to get it form fitted then unwrapping it to let the lines come out. It looked good until the dog got ahold of it. When I get the skins back on I'm debating if I want to due the entire handle wrap in beaver tail or just the arrow pass area and the rest with deer hise. I'm thinking the second.
Kyle
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Should be shooting it by the weekend! Patrick
(http://i1335.photobucket.com/albums/w668/lebhuntfish1/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-06/20150622_211514_zpsdeiyik6x.jpg) (http://s1335.photobucket.com/user/lebhuntfish1/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-06/20150622_211514_zpsdeiyik6x.jpg.html)
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Patrick, that looks mighty fine!
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Thanks Mike, it's coming along nicely so far. Patrick
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Looking like some nice bows being made again this year.
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Great looking bow Patrick
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Thanks Falcon! Patrick
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My bow shipped out today.
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Awesome drewster! What day do you think it will be here? >:D Patrick
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Those curves are pretty sweet Patrick
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My eye is still messed up, I've been messing with the few bows I have going. I really like the take down and the sliver Osage bow. Gotta do some alignment on the Osage and get the takedown to low brace. Once I get the Osage pretty well Tillered I'm planning on heat treating her. My head still hurts quite a bit but I think I got the bow bug worse
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Thanks bubbles!
Blaflair2, good luck and take care of that eye. Patrick
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Patrick, probably Monday......long hike :-)
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Patrick, probably Monday......long hike :-)
:laugh: Patrick
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I shipped today
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Man, everyone is sending them out. I still have to finish the tiller and pretty it up. Mine will be closer to the deadline. Patrick
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I'm with ya on that one Patrick. It'll be done. O:)
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I havent been able to make one I liked enough to ship yet.... I get 2/3 done and I see a flaw ( or create one ) then into the closet of shame it goes. I dont want to just make a bow, thats too easy, and I font want my guy to just have another bow. I want mine to stand out in performance and aesthetics.
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Alright, I've been slacking a bit, only enough time for oggling all these beauties getting sent out :o. With school mostly done for the summer I've been able to heat-treat the curves into plan A, which is now ready for the tillering string. I have plans B and C dried and roughed out, but I hope I don't need to use them, as this is too nice a piece of wood for me to screw up. Excited to get working on it!
(http://i.imgur.com/Yh7G55a.jpg)
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I'm ready to put the final string on plan A but I'm going to wait until I get my new camera next week so I can record a Flemish Twist tutorial for reddit.
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I am new here but would love to join if possible? If it is too late, when would the next round go?
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Sorry to late,usually january.
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I am new here but would love to join if possible? If it is too late, when would the next round go?
Next January/February I plan on taking this on again, might become a regular thing for me, so get to building and posting bows ;)
I like getting the new guys involved in stuff like this to get them to push themselves to do their absolute best but we all like to know that someone in a trade can hold their end :)
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Makes sense. I will start posting mine as I make and hopefully can be deemed worthy.
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Makes sense. I will start posting mine as I make and hopefully can be deemed worthy.
If I made the cut... ;D
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mine should arrive to its destination on monday
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Man I'm getting nervous. Good work so far everyone. I can't wait to see see these start showing up.
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Plan A is done and ready to be sprayed, but I'm not entirely happy with it. It is a 68" ttt Bamboo Backed Ipe with Osage and Jatoba Handle.
Starting Plan B this afternoon. It will be a lower weight version of my "Moose Bow" http://www.primitivearcher.com/smf/index.php/topic,52233.msg710145.html#msg710145 (http://www.primitivearcher.com/smf/index.php/topic,52233.msg710145.html#msg710145)
I was thinking about the bow the other night and decided it would be nice to send my victim a bow made from some of our local wood.
Bamboo Backed Hornbeam
This particular piece of hornbeam was cut about 10 years ago.
66" ttt
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Plan A is ready to shoot in and touch up the tiller. I'll probably being it to MoJam with me to get some more opinions before the finish goes on. Plan B was just heat treated with some reflex induced. Which is a black locust molle with a slight bendy handle. I'm going to recurve the levers before applying a sinew. If there is time for the sinew to cure before the ship date. Do you think the sinew will have time to dry and tiller out by then?if not the sinew isn't really needed and I'll leave the levers straight.
Kyle
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Had a very productive weekend with my good friend sleek. He came up to my place and we both got a lot done on our trade bows. I got mine pulling 45 at 15 inches. But I got to do a little more work on the bottom limb. Hopefully I will have it shooting very soon. No more bow pictures for me. It will ruin the surprise! I will post it when it's all done. Patrick
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I can't wait to see all these bows. A little jealous ;D
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So.... I worked through about four bows for the trade bow. Every time, I found a reason to not like the bow and set it aside. So, did some trading with lebhuntfish and I dont know why all the others didnt look good but this one did lol! Boy what a challenge. Its one pat had started but got frustrated with also...
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I don't know if frustrated is the right word. Maybe just not as determined as I was when I started it. But it's definitely in the right hands now sleek! Patrick
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Shipped.
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So how Long do you think it will take to get to my house goat?! ;D Patrick
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Ok according to my daughter when she got back to my house in KS from our FL trip, she tripped over a long package. When my wife gets back to KS next week she will send it down to GA. So by next weekend I should have pics up of a new bow. I dont know for sure which swap or trade it is from, Most likly this one though.
I am slow going on my bow but steady. I have the Osage bow on the short string. It still needs a bit of heat but the string is close enought to tiller. I also have the hickory prymid bow tips moving but it is still not on the short string.
So as long as I can get a weekend ot work on it I should have options to send off by the end of the month.
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Camera stuff is late and I still need to record the string tutorial >:( Won't be long now.
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Huisme, have you checked your messages lately?
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Huisme, have you checked your messages lately?
I just did and there's definitely a couple messages I haven't read, must have opened my inbox and gone absentminded from there.
I'm on it ;)
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So after receiving the awesome yew bow from wizard goat,i better get off my hiny and get my offering shipped.just shot a few rounds out back and i'm happy with it.hope my guy likes it half as much as I love the yew!prob ship tomorrow.
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My plan B (which has changed a bit, if you count all my plans it would be probably plan F by now) is just about finished, just need to check the tiller on the final draw and work it in. Going to put some time into the plan A this weekend and see how it goes. Need to get on it though.
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Mark me as shipped pls.
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I've got two HHb bows glued up, one bamboo backed, other not backed. I plan on some fuming experiments with both and an osage short static recurve, so I'm pushing the deadline, but will ship on time.
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I will be shipping on time also so long as nothing comes apart on me.... literally.
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I'm giving up recording the string, should be a couple days between working on a 75" 60#@33" flatbow.
Yeah, those numbers are right.
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I need to hustle! Today is a bow-work day in the forest though so lets see what happens!
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Well I got the osage bow limbs moving a bit not quite on a short string but it is close. I want to get it tillered out then I have to heat it again. Once it is resting form the heat up to get the string more centered. The hickory bow will get some love from me. I really want to work on that one. I have never done a pyrimid bow.
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My plan B is shooting and ready for a grip. Oh boy I hope the plan A works out cause I love that bow! Didn't get to go out yesterday but scraped it a bit on the porch and going out today. Got a short string made and put a few tugs on it with the long. Initial tiller looks good, maybe a bit weak in the tips. Its naturally recurved a tad so that's new for me. It's an elm sap, I hope it'll be ok unbacked but its down to barely below the cambium, smooth and burnished, so lets see!
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Man that sounds good E. Jensen! I've never had an elm stave. Going to cut one after mojam. I found 2 really nice ones at my folks house. The are about 3 to 4 inches around. Looking forward to working with it.
I just put my trade bow in the truck, getting everything loaded to head to mojam! Right now it is 50lbs at 20 inches. Hopefully in a couple of days it will be 55 at 28 and shoot in! I'll probably shoot the 3D course there with it to. Can't wait, see you all in a week! Patrick
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a couple of pics of one of the bows I am working on.
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e383/gillk/20150712_120017_zpskzfnt43l.jpg) (http://s43.photobucket.com/user/gillk/media/20150712_120017_zpskzfnt43l.jpg.html)
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e383/gillk/20150712_120010_zpsafakaxko.jpg) (http://s43.photobucket.com/user/gillk/media/20150712_120010_zpsafakaxko.jpg.html)
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e383/gillk/20150712_115917_zps9qrbtt6g.jpg) (http://s43.photobucket.com/user/gillk/media/20150712_115917_zps9qrbtt6g.jpg.html)
So i am getting there. I need to heat this one up, the string is still just off the edge of hte handle. I have it pulling to about 30lbs right now but that is a low brace and I have a long why to go so we shall see.
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Got mine shipped... Osage 50#@27". I'll tell you now that it thumps in the hand, so I tried like crazy to reduce the outer limbs and get it to have a sweeter release. Buff horn nock overlays, both of which have randomly broken and had to be replaced during tillering and shooting-in. All that said, I'd confidently hunt most anything with this bow, if I had it out there. I've hunted brown bear with a bow that didn't perform as well as this one, so there you go. No shelf/arrow rest, 66"ntn in a 2" black pvc tube, headed far away.
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Sounds like things are coming together. 8)is there a shipped list on here somewhere?
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Got my plan A tillered. Pretty close anyways. I'm a shadow tillerer and it was hazy and then got even hazier so I'll revisit it. Started chasing rings on plan C, which is a snakey, knotty osage.
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Neolithic man just let me know he is tillering and will have his bow sent in a few weeks.
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Looks lik ed everyone is pretty bussy. And some nice looking bows going out.
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Got my plan A shooting today. I have mixed feelings about it. On the one hand it shoots GREAT! Better than any bow I've made since. I'd estimate 55-60#. Draws smooth, shoots straight and fast, and absolutely no handshock. But . . . . there is a little twist on one tip when strung. It's either because of the side nock, or the natural lateral bend. Not sure if I should cut the 1/4" nock off, put it on the other side. Or heat the tip straight. Or chalk it up to character since it shoots fine. Input please.
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Sorry for the ugly pics, you can see what I mean in these two. I'd say the twist is maybe 20 degrees.
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KellyG, that blw has some nice character. I made a few like rhay and the string alingment on handle usually males a nice center shot. That brace looks low, have you got ot to full brace yet?
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I just gotta touch one part of the top limb to make it flex a little bit more. It's a little under weight but still is a quick shooter when pulled to its full draw. It lost a little more weight than I had hoped by the time I got all the twist and turns sorted out. I havnt weighed it since its second heat treatment but is probably about 40 pounds.Though with my normal draw in the 26 1/2" area its full draw of 30" is a little bit of a stretch to get out of it. When shot at my draw length it seems a little slow with a minor thump in the hand but bringing it to full 30" seems to wake it up and it performs much better. When I can stretch out to get the full 30. I just gotta touch it up, do all my doodling, and put the finish on the belly and a few more coats all over. THen on its way it'll be.
Kyle
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E.Jensen - if it shoots well and the string isn't off the side of the handle then I'd just leave it as is. :)
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My eye is officially better. Eye drop for one more week and then back to normal. I got working on my bow a bit. Apparently the handle fits good, maybe too good. It was a mother trying to get it apart after it sat together so long.
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Glad your eye is getting better. Nice looking two piece bow you are working on.
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Thanks bob, started with way too much wood but it's coming along. Made it a bit longer for what I usually make my bows, ipe and I have not saw eye to eye yet. Limb to mouth but not eye. Just going reallllllly slow.
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Sleek not to full brace yet. The last 2 evenings I have been helping a buddy pack. So no scrapping going on for me.
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Got it bending how I want it and got rid of a little thump. It didn't turn out as under weight as I initially expected, it's shy of my goal weight by about 3 pounds. I have all the doodling marked out in pencil so tonight I'm going to ink over it. There is finish on all but the belly so just gotta get a few coats on the belly and one or two over the whole thing to clean it up. I'm not happy with the color of the leather and the fit, so I'm going to pull it off and smoke it more to see if I can darken it up some. The. Te stitch it on a little tighter. I'm happy with how the beaver tail arrow pass turned out though. I should be shipping in a week once all the finish is done drying.
Kyle
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Some beautiful projects on here! E.Jensen, don't second-guess good shooting. If it shoots well and doesn't break, then the wood is willing. I only fix gross alignment problems, or if the string hangs off the wrong side of the bow. My current shooter yew bow has a touch of propeller on the top limb, but the moose I killed with it never complained about that.
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Thanks Chadwick. I might switch it to the other side, that way I only lose 1/4" length. I also think I'm going to build a new string without the double served loops so it'll fit on the nocks better. Currently they look precarious.
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Bruce, Re: take down, coat the inside lightly with a product called neversieze, it is the slipperest stuff you've ever tried to get off your hands, get it at Ace or any industrial supply.
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Coon catcher that thing is super cool I live snakey bows.
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There are some sweet wiggles in that one!
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I am getting frustrated. this was about plan c or d. There were no apparent flaws in the wood at this point. The crack happened while trying to get it to low brace @ less than 40lbs. If I need to post in a separate topic, let me know.
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OUCH!!!!
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Jeff, start a new topic and show the bow, its dimensions, stats etc.... pics help. Also wood type and heat treat or no and design.
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As per my twisted tip, it does not seem to be twisting any more when drawn, so I might leave it as is, as long as my recipient is not appalled! Now the question is, how to make it pretty? A plain white bow is boring, too reflective for hunting, and will look dirty.
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Give it the old vinegar and steel wool. It will go black if u do enough
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Plain white is boring. Unless you can show cool grain swirls or something. At the same time, don't worry about darkening it for hunting. My opinion, but I've hunted a lot with a shiny red white and blue bow, and I can absolutely tell you that the bow never spooked an animal, it was always me. If you want it pretty, remove all tool marks and put on a finish to make it pop.
Do we have a list of who's received their bows?
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I received an awesome elm bow from bushboy. I'll get some pics up this weekend
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So I piked one end 1/4" and recut the side nock on the other side. It seems to fix the twist quite well. I'll recheck the tiller and then all that's left is to decide on a grip and other cosmetics.
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Time is drawing near. How about a quick update from those of us who haven't shipped? Mine is ready, just need to send it east.
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Mine went in the tube yesterday, I will ship next week.
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Mine is on the short string, just need to get another bow shipped before I return my focus to the trade bow.
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We need a shipped list.
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Chadwick, bushboy, wizardgoat are all sent off the top of my head.
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Put my stamp on the final tiller. I think I'm going to vinegaroon it, grip it, then its ready to go!
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I have shipped also.
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I have Plan A ready for some coats of oil. It might end up 1" short on the draw length (could probably draw to full but I can't necessarily recommend it for durability sake) but otherwise its looking quite nice. I'll have it finished and shipped before the end of the month.
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Ok as for what I have gotten done
Brace
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e383/gillk/20150718_195256_zps7ynofals.jpg) (http://s43.photobucket.com/user/gillk/media/20150718_195256_zps7ynofals.jpg.html)
24"
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e383/gillk/20150718_195320_zpsohjh6nea.jpg) (http://s43.photobucket.com/user/gillk/media/20150718_195320_zpsohjh6nea.jpg.html)
42#@24" so she might be light by a hair but I sit have between 4 and 12" to go and 5 to 50# to make weight. so I am good.
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I worked this bow a bit before sending, but this is what it looked like at 26" draw and with some weight to lose.
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The bow and I both needed to lose some weight, at that point.
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Thanks again Chadwick!
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Sorry to be the bearer of bad new but the bow that Chadwick sent me has had both tips broken in the mail. You just hadn't put anywhere near enough foam in the tube to protect it, it has been sliding up and down the tube and because the horn overlays extended past the ends of the wood then they have been taking all the force. They have both sheared off, one has split along the rings into the limb so it's a write off i'm afraid. I've been sending bows internationally for while now and have learnt the hard way - you must stuff the tube with foam,bubblewrap etc or else chances are than the bow WILL be damaged. These guys just do not care in the slightest about the packages that go through their hands. It is also nigh on impossible for you to get your money back once the bow does get broken...again i've learnt the hard way!
When it arrived I was also asked to pay £109.10 ($170) import duty because on the export label you had written that it was sold for $600.....Just a heads up to fellow people sending stuff abroad - say that it is a gift not a purchase. Fortunately I paid with a cheque so have cancelled it with the bank.
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Bummer. That was a fine looking bow Chadwick
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Ahh that sucks mike. I got burned with a $400 value which translated to a $60 duty on last years bow trade. I feel like i mentioned it at the beginning of this trade to try keep the values low on international packages.
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Well guy's, mine is looking pretty good. It's at 55at 25 right now. Got the tip overlays put on at mojam. Dvshunter used my bow for an overly demonstration. But only done one. I got a little bit more to do on the overlays then it's back to tillering. I've shot it some at 24 Inches and it's pretty sweet. Hopefully be done this week. Patrick
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Just got back from an 11 day vacation last night. I'll get mine tillered and finished up this weekend, and sprayed the beginning of next week.
Here are some preview pics.
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/508/19900290445_e5e635f979_c.jpg)
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/479/19713620629_76238971bb_c.jpg)
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Oooo, that looks pretty sweet
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While the Osage bow rest after it's date with the heat gun. I picked up this blank and started taking meat off the belly.
Ok here is where we are on this bow. It is not done and needs more wood to come off but the tips are moving. If all goes well it will be tillered out this weekend. I might toast the belly. I am also contemplating trapping the back. I think now is the time to do that.
If I do I think I would do a .25" of each edge. Don’t know if I will but I need to make my mind up on that before i go any further, I don’t need it to be light.
Here is the unstrung profile.
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e383/gillk/20150723_202630_zpswo9l0hpt.jpg) (http://s43.photobucket.com/user/gillk/media/20150723_202630_zpswo9l0hpt.jpg.html)
Back profile
The handle has some meat left on it, but that is what I was taught. Refine tips and handles last no need to waste that work if the stave does not want to be a bow.
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e383/gillk/20150723_202741_zpsokm1i40h.jpg) (http://s43.photobucket.com/user/gillk/media/20150723_202741_zpsokm1i40h.jpg.html)
So trap the back yes no?
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Got mine all dolled up, I just want to shoot it some more then it'll be ready to ship Monday. I will say that a coat of truoil sure makes beaver tail look good.
Kyle
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That sure is a beaut Kyle! Glad I got to see it at mojam! Patrick
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Kelly what kinda wood is it
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Patrick, whoever gets that bow you were working on at mojam is gonna be a happy camper. That thing was beautiful. I was asking everyone about it and eventually found out it was yours.
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Thanks buddy, I just wish I would have had more time to work on it. I would have loved for you to see it shoot. I'll make a good post of it once it's shipped. Thanks again, Patrick
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I tried the vinegaroon. It came out very splotchy, so I just went with black dye. Well it worked. The bow is very very black haha. I'll let it set in a bit, oil it, wax it, then tool a grip for it, and it'll be ready to go! Aiming to have it ready to go in a week or so.
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Well, I finally completed my inagural trade bow. Long time coming, but I'm pretty happy with the result, and I hope the recipient is too! This is a bow of many firsts - first stiff handle, first yew bow, first true (if super small) recurve and first trade bow. Took around 1" of set, on top of the deflex in the stave to begin with, but on the upside it is SUPER smooth (by my standards) and still hits like a truck, where I'm looking at. Stave is just about 59.5 ntn" after recurving and the draw is around 55# at 27" (I'm not super confident in my weighing setup, but its easily over 50 at my 26" draw length). Here's a few sneak peaks - the strung profile looks a bit lopsided, but the bottom limb stretches out pretty well in the full draw. I'll leave that part for my victim though :D Thanks for a fun trade everyone (especially to the organizers!), looking forward to next year!
(http://i.imgur.com/miTzndc.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/wFs2iiW.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/F9Eyrkg.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/XxWJ2cU.jpg)
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That's a beauty! Great job!
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Looks like a fine bow indeed.....even with all the "firsts".
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(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i411/rocketernally/20150725_200029_zps4eiyyqzm.jpg) (http://s1092.photobucket.com/user/rocketernally/media/20150725_200029_zps4eiyyqzm.jpg.html)
Heres mine so far.... 55#
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(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i411/rocketernally/20150725_200154_zpszpzswgof.jpg) (http://s1092.photobucket.com/user/rocketernally/media/20150725_200154_zpszpzswgof.jpg.html)
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Accipitor, that yew looks great, but you have made a mistake. My draw is 29" not 27" You still have a little work to do. . .
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This bow is as wild as the tree grew it. No heat correction, steam, or anything else. Its got dog legs, prop twist, pin knots, knots, rotten spots, holes, tips dont lien up, and handle/sting alignment is non existent. But it shoots and shoots well.
Figured id leave this one " Untamed ".
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Jeff, it might just be 29", but I sure cant pull it back that far to find out!
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I love the yew bow, and I can't wait to shoot it! :laugh:
Sleek, that sure is one wild stick! That is one heck of a name for it to! "Untamed"! That handle looks pretty sleek too! :laugh: Patrick
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Being in my position is a bit strange. >:D but I am wondering where my slice of wood will come from!
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I'm pretty sure I got the bow I'm sending. Gotta get a finish on
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Well I had a bow making marathon with Onebowwonder today. I was able to finish tillering my trade bow today. This thing flat smokes an arrow. I can't wait to get it all finished up! Patrick
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Well bud, come Saturday you will have chrono numbers to post.
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Well I had a bow making marathon with Onebowwonder today. I was able to finish tillering my trade bow today. This thing flat smokes an arrow. I can't wait to get it all finished up! Patrick
You can almost see the 'smoke' contrails rising off of the fletchings in this photo if you look really closely... >:D :o 8)
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Look at that string!
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Great picture Eric! You can see that the arrow is still in paradox! I've never seen a string in a pic like that. Now that's cool! Patrick
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Now that is a COOL picture!!!
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Ok I had a date with a heat gun.
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Well I think she is nice and toasty. I will work on her this week end getting her tillered out.
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Mine is headed east. >:D
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Mine too, although it won't be there for another 10 days or so.
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I had really hoped to create a bow with local materials from here in Utah. But fungus has infiltrated my seasoned staves--I think it was there to begin with--and my other elm staves are not dry yet. So I have gone to my backup plan. My guy is going to get my Sidewinder osage stave, and it is the right decision, since this wood is sooo much better that what I was working with. I have it tillered out to 22 inches so far and low brace. It has a little snakey at one end and it is feeling super solid and is starting to look really good. It will be hard to let it go. Whoever has me, send me a good one to help me get over the loss. . .
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Jeff, you are a stud. We will find you a new stave! Sometimes that elm is pithy.
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I cut a juniper stave near Cedar City last week too. And I am loving working with the osage. I will have to find more of that, too. We should plant some groves and wait 50 years. I have some more elm from another tree too and it looks much better-just not dry yet. I want to try some yew sometime too. I will take a bunch of pictures before I send this one off.
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I have 100 seeds Jeff. Let me know where!
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You get some funny looks dropping off an 80" pvc pipe at the post office. But mine is shipped, I hope my guy enjoys.
Kyle
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You get some funny looks dropping off an 80" pvc pipe at the post office. But mine is shipped, I hope my guy enjoys.
Kyle
Yeah, I can't wait to see their faces either. Mine won't fit in a 2in pvc. Probably more like 4 or 5 inch. I didn't think about shipping when I put the curves in. May have to build a shipping container. Patrick
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I almost feel ashamed. I heated in the final reflex, thought I'd go with a high reflex design this time, but when I realized putting it in the tube would be impossible I deflexed the handle. I feel like a cheater :o
Tillered to about twenty inches again, good smooth motion so far. Using the heavy sandpaper over the scraper right now, there are a couple funny spots with undulating ring thickness I need to touch up.
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Ok! breaking out the finish and getting it done!
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Ok! breaking out the finish and getting it done!
Sweet! A few more days and I'll be right there with you Jojo! Patrick
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So I went from 120, to 220, to 400, and finished with 800.
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about 2 inches to go. Looking good. Then tip overlays, shaping the grip, sanding and sealing.
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Mine should arrive today.
That is looking really good Jeff.
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Dang the deadline is creeping up! I just need to tool the grip and mine is away.
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Jeff, looks good, are my eyes playing tricks on me or do I see a bit of a weak spot before the hook left limb?
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That is where the snakey spot is, so it is a little deceptive, but I was thinking the mid limb just below that was a tad stiff, so maybe the same thing.
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Postman just brought a long tube to the house. We just got back from vacation late last night and I went into the post office today to pick up the mail but the person didn't give me the big tube sitting right in front of my letters.
Sweet looking bow Steelslinger. Lots of reflex on that vine maple. Going to string her and take her for a test drive.
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Lots of reflex
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cool horn wedge tips
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Braced
(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg15/bamboo_archer/IMG_2565_zps8mfk9fi1.jpg) (http://s244.photobucket.com/user/bamboo_archer/media/IMG_2565_zps8mfk9fi1.jpg.html)Money shot. 55#@28"
Thanks Brad (Steelslinger) for the sweet bow.
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That thing is sweet lucky score man. What kinda wood is that?
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Vine Maple from Oregon
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I'm loving those overlays
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That looks pretty sweet.
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:o Wow lot of work..."time" ...in those tips...
DBar
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That is beautiful Gaur!
We had another bow building day at Onebowwonders house today. In attendance was Onebowwonder, sleek, Knoll, jo5h, and OneBow's nephew. Who finished his first bow and shot it.
Well about 30 min ago we shot my trade bow through a chronograph. It shot 199 FEET PER SECOND!!! Picture proof as soon as I can get it uploaded! Patrick
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The chrono was only measuring the speed of the B.S. flying out your mouth. ;)
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Wow Patrick....199 FPS... that's Quick.... :) ;)
DBar
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can't wait till it gets here
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Finished photos!
64" ntn
50# @ ??"
Bamboo backed HopHornbeam
Indian Ebony Powerlam
Ipe, PurpleHeart, and Indian Ebony riser and tip overlays
Got about 50 arrows through it today, I'll get a bunch more over the next couple days. It'll be shipped by the end of next week. This one is headed west from my current location (but that doesn't take much when your in Maine ;D)
I must say that I am envious of the recipient. This bow shoots faster and flatter than any bow that I have built to date!
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Haha, that's some high velocity BS.
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Thats sweet blob!
@alwayslookin those are not overlays. That is an inlay.
Yes they are a bunch of work too.
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Guess I better get moving on mine. Just got back from visiting our daughter who is serving with the national guard at Fort Sam Houston. She just passed her medic exam.
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That's a beauty there blob.
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Got the design for my sketch penciled out. Got to make some stamps tomorrow to put the runes in, shouldn't be too difficult.
"Born of my hands, placed in others, that also create"
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Very nice... -OneBow
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Well I told you all I would post the proof of the 199fps. Patrick (http://i1335.photobucket.com/albums/w668/lebhuntfish1/Mobile%20Uploads/20150801_185746_zpsd8oj6gaj.jpg) (http://s1335.photobucket.com/user/lebhuntfish1/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20150801_185746_zpsd8oj6gaj.jpg.html)
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Sweet!
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woooooohoooo!
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And that was a hunting weight arrow too.... I think about 400grains?
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470 if I remember right sleek. We shot some 520's out of it and was hitting the high 180's!!
Thanks a lot fellas! I'm very proud of my accomplishments with this bow. I said that one day I would make a bow that shot 200fps.and I'm calling that goal achieved! Now to just make me one like this one! Dang I hate to send it out.
Cool thing is it only took 3/4in of set! Patrick
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Whoever gets that bow is a lucky man! Being the only one of us there with an natural 28" draw, I had the honor of getting to shoot it for the tests. That bow is amazing! I didn't want to hand it back.
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Wow!
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Whoever gets that bow is a lucky man! Being the only one of us there with an natural 28" draw, I had the honor of getting to shoot it for the tests. That bow is amazing! I didn't want to hand it back.
Josh I'm sure glad you was able to shoot it! I can shoot 28 but it's pretty hard on my back. Which I'm feeling today. I wish it was yours, you shot it well. Thanks, Patrick
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Awesome bow! 199, phew that's fast. mine is shooting anywhere from 60 to 350. Ya I might want to get a new chrono . . . .
I got my grip tooled. I'll let it sit to dry and maybe start dyeing it tonight.
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How you gonna get that grip on the bow Patrick is sending me? I love the runes and the toolingThere is some nice work going on out there. I hope I can send my guy something just as nice. I spent all day yesterday on tip overlays.
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See my bow doesn't have tip overlays so I had to do something to make up for that or my guy would feel like he got jipped!
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I refined the tips again. As soon as I think they're light enough I convince myself they're still bulky ;) Just a couple inches from final draw length and well within poundage. I'm going to take a few of the old osage shavings and dye a scrap of leather, see how it looks against the finished locust.
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How you gonna get that grip on the bow Patrick is sending me? I love the runes and the toolingThere is some nice work going on out there. I hope I can send my guy something just as nice. I spent all day yesterday on tip overlays.
Don't worry bud, E. Jenson is shipping it to me in the morning. It will have leather on it when it's shipped! Patrick
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Lebhuntfish that is one sweet profile on that bow.
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That is a very cool grip. anyone would be proud to show that off.
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Lebhuntfish that is one sweet profile on that bow.
Thanks bud! I'm going to build some more. This is a first of this design for me. Patrick
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Ok I shaved a bit off they hickory pyrimid bow I let here set a week in this GA humidity after she got her belly toasted. I need to make a long string so I can work here down. I should have her shooting this weekend. I will get some pics up later this week if I have any big changes. The osage is going in the tradgang swap so no need to tease yall with that one. I have a big bull snake skin that might go on this bow though. I my try and put some walnut stain on it also. I got some in a kit this weekend. I was looking for tru oil and it only came in stock refinish kit that had it, stain and some other stuff in it.
I could of had a timber rattler skin but I cant bring myself to kill them when all they want to do is sither away. He was just over 4' long and just getting off the road. My phone died and I could not get a pic of him.
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I hope you guys don't mind the frequent updates on this grip
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I hope you guys don't mind the frequent updates on this grip
...well now that you mention it, the drool on my keyboard is getting to be a little bit worrisome! :P :P :o
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I hope you guys don't mind the frequent updates on this grip
Wow, I hope that grip is going on my bow. If not just send me one anyways! >:D Patrick
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Wow, that is some outstanding leatherwork, very cool! Also... according to USPS, someones got a package on their doorstep this afternoon! Almost as exciting as receiving one on my doorstep! And now that I think about, they're actually the same package (but not the bow inside ;))- thanks Drewster!
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Wow, that is some outstanding leatherwork, very cool! Also... according to USPS, someones got a package on their doorstep this afternoon! Almost as exciting as receiving one on my doorstep! And now that I think about, they're actually the same package (but not the bow inside ;))- thanks Drewster!
Delighted you recycled the packaging!!!
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DANG IT, I haven't been home all afternoon. And won't be for a while! Patrick
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Can anyone see my little oopsy?
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U blacked out part of the scroll
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Still cool though
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Yes I did :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[
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Took me a loooong time to find it though, I dont think your recipient will be too upset!
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http://www.primitivearcher.com/smf/index.php/topic,50137.0.html
Soooo im thinking about switching my trade bow from untamed to this guy. Would you object to recieving this over the other?
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Never mind. Lifted a splinter :p
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Sanding. I got it to a straight profile but the grip took some cosmetic cracks, nothing to worry about as the handle hasn't taken set since giving it deflex. Bocote tips are about as thin as I like. I've got some rawhide cordage I want to put under the osage-stained leather. Made a black, white and single stand of purple string that's kind of hard to keep upside right as the bow is very asymmetrical ::)
I'll get pics soon enough >:D
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I done a thing. Patrick
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Ooooooh! ahhhhhh!
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Applying tru-oil. Not all of the cracks from early life are gone but it's all holding together and shooting beautifully :) Once I'm over 200 shots (~120 right now) I'll put it through the chrono a few times and I'll get its mass before putting the rawhide and leather on.
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60+ shots through. I think I am about ready to call it a bow. I have some more work to do on the handle, including adding a shelf, some more shooting, and then it will be time for the hair and makeup. So far only minimal set, and that in the right places in the mid limb Here are a couple of teasers.
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That is one good looking piece of wood!
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That tiller looks good jeff p51
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Good work Jeff! Doing Utah proud!
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Great work all around.
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Everyone sound off if you have shipped or received. Thanks, the new job has me running a bit!
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I got an awesome bow from JonW. I'll try to get pics up later.
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I have recieved from Jo5h. Sweet shooting bow tha I happen to shoot very well with.
I just need finish sanding and a little tip work then im calling it done.
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Mine is at its new home
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Mine is getting Tru oil and a handle wrap. Then it will be out next week. I haven't received one yet. Patrick
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I have shipped but not received.
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I have shipped and received.
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Haven't shipped or received. Gonna get a couple more coats of finish and put a handle wrap
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Shipped, not received.
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Shipped and received today........I'm delighted!
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sanded down to 800 grit last night. I can see my reflection in the back without any finish on it. I also added a small arrow shelf. I figure about a week to finish it.
I still haven't received a bow.
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That's cool isn't it. I never realized you could get bare wood that shiny until I started this. :)
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Received (from Steelslinger) but not shipped yet. Working on it.
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I will be shipping tomorrow, I have not received.
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I have shipped but not recieved.
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Shipping soon, maybe monday. Not received.
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Just have to sew it on the bow and put some arrows through it.
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Can't wait to see all these bows
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My handwriting is terrible but I did all the writing myself. I believe that if I take the time to make a bow. Then I should be the one to sign it. Patrick
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@Jensen - Shouldn't the Serpent's eye be BLUE?
OneBow
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@Jensen - Shouldn't the Serpent's eye be BLUE?
OneBow
Or red, or orange?
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Why?
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Shipped, havnt received yet.
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I like it the way it is jensen
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Officially shipped!
Tracking # is: 1Z.................
Just kidding! haha
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I think it's more subtle without the eye being filled. I also like how it is
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Jensen that looks really, really good. I hope to see it in the mail in a few days, since Patrick's (once again) appears to be tillered to a too-short draw for me :'(. I have seen so much good work in this trade that I am anxious to see what shows up.
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putting the finishing touches will be shipping next week. and have not received.
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Officially shipped!
Tracking # is: 1Z.................
Just kidding! haha
You know I will be trying millions of combinations starting with 1Z!Patrick
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Jensen that looks really, really good. I hope to see it in the mail in a few days, since Patrick's (once again) appears to be tillered to a too-short draw for me :'(. I have seen so much good work in this trade that I am anxious to see what shows up.
Sorry jeffp51, I guess I miss read the private message with my victims name! >:D
I do agree that there has been some very beautifully designed and finished bowes! I would be honored to receive any of the bows made by this group of guys! Patrick
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Careful pat sayin that... I havent shipped yet and I dont exactly do things " right ". Wouldnt want a wrong made bow now would ya?
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I hope the one get is wrong. I may not be bad, but I'm wrong in many ways!
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Have shipped haven't received
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Recieved but haven't shipped yet. I have decided to do a new glue-up. I will be gluing the riser on today and will tiller it tomorrow.
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I have shipped. Have not received.
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Shipped and received.big thanks to this year's organizers! 8)
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I have recieve but not shipped. I should get pic up tommorrow of a tillered bow.
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Can those of you who have received bows please post a few pictures? I would love to see how some of the bows turned out that we saw being built.
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Can those of you who have received bows please post a few pictures? I would love to see how some of the bows turned out that we saw being built.
+1 for sure! Some we only got teasers on! Patrick
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I glued up a bamboo dragon (James Parker style) yesterday and was excited to get it out of the hot box and start cleaning it up. I then realized I put the carbonized bamboo on the backing side and two lams on the belly side. Made the bow backwards. Bummer. James said it the carbonized backing would fail so I'll have to try it again. :o Pretty disappointing.
I had a black walnut bow in the works. Pretty short and not so confident in it so set it aside. Cut out a ironwood stave. Cut it last fall and put the moisture meter on it and it said it was 18%. So that was out. Going to try another Bamboo Dragon here but had to take a break to recover from my dyslexic moment.
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Grip is stitched on. Bow is in the truck and I'll be at the range later today putting the final arrows through it before I ship. How are you guys shipping yours? Bubble wrap and pvc tube?
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Ok as promised some tillering pics
I have this bow bending the right limb needs some work on the inner 3rd. And the left is just stronger I think.
Brace
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Near the full draw. I am within an inch or so. I am near the top of the draw weight so I am sure I can get a good tiller.
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The string tracks just off the handle. So I will toast the belly and get the string closer to center.
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Grip is stitched on. Bow is in the truck and I'll be at the range later today putting the final arrows through it before I ship. How are you guys shipping yours? Bubble wrap and pvc tube?
I was wondering the same thing--especially with a fair amount of recurve in the tips. I was wondering about swim noodle foam and cardboard
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I would even out those limbs before you tug on it any more
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I shipped mine in a pvc tube all wrapped up.
And the tiller on the bow Kelly g needs alot of work. It is not moving much at all towards the grip.
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Tracking says that someone is getting a long white tube on Friday!
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Tick tock...tick tock...tick tock...... :-X
@kellyg....that piece of wood shouldnt even be braced yet alone pulling it to full draw...your right limb has two obvious hinges..its unbalanced between the two limbs...and not bending enough in the inner limbs. You broke the biggest rule of bow building imho.
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What is the biggest rule?
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I would have to agree with the other gentlemens' suggestions on the tiller there.
I suspect you may not make weight unless you are very careful here.
Definately needs to bend more out of both fades, hinge(s) in right limb look to need help as well.
I would go back to a very low brace to correct those things, then slowly work your way back up.
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What is the biggest rule?
Is it: pull it only far enough to see where you need to remove wood to get the limbs bending evenly?
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thanks for the input folks not he first time i have broken a rule or 3 making a bow. :P
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Yep, the golden rule Kelly! But I seen some of your bows last year at mojam, they are awesome!
Mine is getting the last two coats of Tru oil today. Then a handle wrap tomorrow after work. I've put 346 arrows through it and now I don't want to ship it off. But I promised I would send out the best bow I could make and this is the best one to date. It's also bow number 30 for me. Kind of a milestone if you will. I've met a lot of goals with this bow and a lot of first as well. I hope my victim makes blood with this one this fall. If he don't, it's not because the bow didn't do its job! >:D I should be shipping it on Saturday if everything goes as planned. Patrick
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got another bamboo dragon glued up and cooking in the oven. I hope I got it right this time.
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Bow is shooting good but the black dye won't stop rubbing off on everything. URRRRGG! Gonna steel wool it.
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hows every body doin on there bows
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Steel wool solved the dye problem. Its now rustic rather than jet black. Re-stitch the grip and ship friday.
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Mines ready for the tube. Checking on finances to ship Friday. I got suspended from work for a few days last week >:D
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Had my shooting today. She shoots fast and hard and straight. Pretty much done tillering it. Going to put on some overlays and get a finish on it. 61"
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Wowza!! She looks super sweet
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Having a little trouble with the handle wrap. This dang elephant is a pain in the but. Going to take it over to my buddies house. He uses elephant all the time. This one may be the first one I glue and stitch. Hoping for a photo shoot on Friday then in the tube on Saturday! Patrick
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Gaur I have a new object of lust.
the last coat of oil goes on mine in the morning. shouldn't be too long after that for shipping. I don't think the hooks will fit in a pvc pipe.
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Gaur I have a new object of lust.
the last coat of oil goes on mine in the morning. shouldn't be too long after that for shipping. I don't think the hooks will fit in a pvc pipe.
Hey, no fair Jeff! That's my new object of lust!
Had to get a 4in pvc tube for mine. Patrick
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I just need to tag mine and ship it. So lazy lately! Getting home at 6 instead of 4 is a chore!
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Thanks for the comments. Got the bow shot in. Came out at 54#@28". Got one coat of finish on her. Woods are Burmese rosewood riser (reclaimed from an old Thai house), Burmese paduak, maple, African paduak and Madake bamboo backed and belly. Belly Bamboo is carbonized.
(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg15/bamboo_archer/bamboo%20dragon%20with%20finish_zps6flrj4rp.jpg) (http://s244.photobucket.com/user/bamboo_archer/media/bamboo%20dragon%20with%20finish_zps6flrj4rp.jpg.html)
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I have the last coat of finish on, now the hard part--waiting long enough to harden before the last steps. I don't want any fingerprints in it at this point. Looking at Friday or Saturday to ship.
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A strom rolled in last night just as I got back to my RV and that put a hold on tillering let me tell. I will be at tonight. The brace is looking better the inner 3rd of that limb is still stiffer but it is moving in.
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Just about to put the 2nd coat of finish on, I should have enough coats on by the end of today then stitch a grip on and i'll be done.
Tambooti riser, maple back, purpleheart core, zebrano powerlam and pau ammerillo belly all glued up into a simple straight profile. My victim is a target shooter so I just went for a longer, straight profiled stable bow.
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I'm excited to see how it turns out Mike!
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Gaur that is a sweet looking lam bow!
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I have yet to see one that I wouldn't want to call my own!
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Well the elephant is a no go. I'm going with a beautiful piece of whitetail! My victim is more of a hunter. Besides, like a friend said, it's a lot more fitting to have deer on a primitive bow than an exotic leather.
I'm planning on making a full write up about this bow. I haven't posted one in a while. I put a few pictures up later. Times running out, and I still don't want to send this one out. But it will be in a tube and on its way Saturday! Patrick
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Ok guy's here is a little eye candy for you! Going to miss this one. Patrick
(http://i1335.photobucket.com/albums/w668/lebhuntfish1/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-08/20150813_221907_zpsn9yrr7mf.jpg) (http://s1335.photobucket.com/user/lebhuntfish1/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-08/20150813_221907_zpsn9yrr7mf.jpg.html) (http://i1335.photobucket.com/albums/w668/lebhuntfish1/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-08/20150813_221813_zps35iyhmba.jpg) (http://s1335.photobucket.com/user/lebhuntfish1/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-08/20150813_221813_zps35iyhmba.jpg.html) (http://i1335.photobucket.com/albums/w668/lebhuntfish1/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-08/20150813_221800_zpsg3x0tv6i.jpg) (http://s1335.photobucket.com/user/lebhuntfish1/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-08/20150813_221800_zpsg3x0tv6i.jpg.html)
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That handle wrap looks like a very expensive poece of leather furniture you would find in a lawyers office.
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(http://i492.photobucket.com/albums/rr283/mikekeswick/012.jpg) (http://s492.photobucket.com/user/mikekeswick/media/012.jpg.html)
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Mike that looks amazing. I am sorry that I can't get all these bows. I was up til one a.m. last night finishing mine. I am really happy with the way it turned out. It is easily my best bow to date, and I hope my guy likes it. Strangely the more I work on it, the more I look forward to giving it away. I will post some pictures later before I send it off.
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Jeff, Having met you a few times, and seeing the pure passion you put into your work lets me know that he will love it! I agree with wanting all the bows I have seen here. I have a busy weekend ahead of me to get mine ready to ship. To say I am excited to get one from someone is an understatement!
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Tracking says it's been delivered!
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:o I wonder who is the big winner!
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Don't you know already, Joe?
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Not if he wasn't on joes list. They broke it into 1/3
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Dang, I'm not going straight home after work. This happens every time someone post that a bow has been delivered! >:D Patrick
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Put on the last coats of tru oil, signed and shipped. Should arrive Monday.
(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg15/bamboo_archer/Christmas%20newsletter%202009/bamboo%20dragon%20tips%20sideview_zpszkkemofd.jpg) (http://s244.photobucket.com/user/bamboo_archer/media/Christmas%20newsletter%202009/bamboo%20dragon%20tips%20sideview_zpszkkemofd.jpg.html)
(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg15/bamboo_archer/Christmas%20newsletter%202009/bamboo%20dragon%20tips_zpspr4cjuq2.jpg) (http://s244.photobucket.com/user/bamboo_archer/media/Christmas%20newsletter%202009/bamboo%20dragon%20tips_zpspr4cjuq2.jpg.html)
(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg15/bamboo_archer/bamboo%20dragon%20riser%20with%20rattan_zpsynoysnpm.jpg) (http://s244.photobucket.com/user/bamboo_archer/media/bamboo%20dragon%20riser%20with%20rattan_zpsynoysnpm.jpg.html)
(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg15/bamboo_archer/bamboo%20dragon%20profile_zpsh5tymig2.jpg) (http://s244.photobucket.com/user/bamboo_archer/media/bamboo%20dragon%20profile_zpsh5tymig2.jpg.html)
(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg15/bamboo_archer/bamboo%20dragon%20braced_zps2ue21p4v.jpg) (http://s244.photobucket.com/user/bamboo_archer/media/bamboo%20dragon%20braced_zps2ue21p4v.jpg.html)
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Nope, No Idea! I only know one Person on that list, and that is the guy who I have! I really don't even recall if I am on the same list!
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Dang Gaur! I can't wait to shoot that one! Patrick
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Sweet..................Gaur...
DBar
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Here's another teaser. I am going to post the rest in the sidewinder thread I started a while ago, since the stave came from him. I will give the details there.
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Totally digging orion on the handle.
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Is that an anunnaki bow? >:D
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Naw, it's just osage ;)
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Sweet boo bow Randy!
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It's Deadline day. Once again, who has shipped, and who has received?
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Im shipping today. :)
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Shipped . Not recieved
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I have shipped. Tracking shows delivery yesterday.
I have not received.
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Just shipped
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Shipped, yet to receive
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You guys need to start hiding your arrows shelves. Every time I see a shelf made for a righty i get sad when I realize that bow is not for me. :(
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Shipped not received
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I Feel for you bubbles it makes me sad every time I'm a lefty too i am shipped half not received
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I'm sorry to all the lefties. That thought never crossed my mind. I will definitely remember that next trade.
Mine is on its way, barely beat the post office hours. So unfortunately it probably won't leave here till Monday. But I have a tracking number. Should be there on Saturday. A small tear actually ran down my cheek. I love that bow! I hope %)@$%+)# likes it half as much as I do! I have not received one yet. Patrick
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Received, have the bow in a tube but didn't have the money to ship until today. I guess setting the deadline for a Saturday was a little silly ::)
I've got some messages to attend to, be ready for a few changes everybody!
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Oh, I couldn't get any decent pictures myself or anyone to help with the camera so here's a short video!
https://vid.me/e/DXGx (https://vid.me/e/DXGx)
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Received, have the bow in a tube but didn't have the money to ship until today. I guess setting the deadline for a Saturday was a little silly ::)
I've got some messages to attend to, be ready for a few changes everybody!
Changes?
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Mostly in who's shipping where, it's not as bad as I thought, looks like Steelslinger has his list under control and one of my guys broke their plan B a couple days ago and are probably going to be sending the bow they receive down the line unless I get ahold of their sender.
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Just shipped ups. Should arrive on Wednesday. I will be tracking. i have not received yet. Please hurry Santa! Now that my contribution is gone, I have nothing to drool over. If your bow has arrived show us pics so we can live vicariously (and mourn the could-have-beens that didn't come to us).
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I got the PVC and bubble wrap today, going out monday. Sorry for the late ship!
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Thanks Pearl Drums
Received from steelslinger and shipped to ...
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So, I am showing currently not sent.
Jojodapyro
Tattodave
WildKatt
Neolithicman
Lebhuntfish
Mikekeswick
Sleek
KellyG
Auggie
If I missed anyone let me know! If anyone on the list has dropped out, please make me aware.
Looks sweet so far guys!
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Joe what are you sending. There were lots of starts but which one did you finish?
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I shipped my bow to Accipiter five or six weeks ago........and have received my bow.
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Thanks Drewster. I'll cange it.
Jeff, it is the black locust take down.
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Jojo... stop. Collaborate and listen,
your listing people how have already been shipping.
Something wrapped up tightly,
crossing states lines both daily and nightly.
Will I ever recieve, yo I dont know
pull it back, and let it go.
To the extreme I rock the tiller like a vandal,
Line up the heads, hot glue with a candle.
Rollin, arrows checking for straightness
gadda slow down and work on my patience.
Toooo tipsy to finish....
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You're showing your age! You must be the same age as me!
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He is younger than me and I even know what he is talking about! Damn, I'm getting old!
By the way I shipped today! But have not received! Patrick
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Mine will be getting sent tomorrow.
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Jojo... stop. Collaborate and listen,
your listing people how have already been shipping.
Something wrapped up tightly,
crossing states lines both daily and nightly.
Will I ever recieve, yo I dont know
pull it back, and let it go.
To the extreme I rock the tiller like a vandal,
Line up the heads, hot glue with a candle.
Rollin, arrows checking for straightness
gadda slow down and work on my patience.
Toooo tipsy to finish....
...Word to your mother.
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Where is the thread with all the pretty bows people received this year?
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Where is the thread with all the pretty bows people received this year?
I'm wondering the same thing! Patrick
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E. Jensen has shipped
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Any Updates on the others? I will ship tomorrow. Working till 5 everyday is a bummer. But, what can you do? Onward and upward!
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Kinda' odd katt hasn't shipped. That dude usually had his done the next day. Makes me wonder if something is array.
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I know what you mean pearls but i think last year he was working out of town and was close to the deadline
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He messaged me, its all on the up and up!
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Didn't think it wasn't just concerned something might have happened to him
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WINNER! WINNER! Ok guys I got an awesome Boo bow from Randy (Gaur). Randy what a stunner! I will get some pics of this bad boy up after I shoot it some when the temp cools off some. Thanks Randy!!
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Sorry folks I have not gotten mine done yet. I am working on it. The tiller is better I need to hit it with heat still to move the tips and get the belly nice and toasted again. I do my work out side so It will not get done today it is raining.
I get that done asap and work on the handle and tips. I have a big bull snake skin to put on it. this guy was almost 6 foot (road kill, I cant bring myself to take on just for its skin). Sorry for being that guy.
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sounds like it will be worth the wait. Stuff happens.
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WINNER! WINNER! Ok guys I got an awesome Boo bow from Randy (Gaur). Randy what a stunner! I will get some pics of this bad boy up after I shoot it some when the temp cools off some. Thanks Randy!!
John, check the address, I think it's supposed to go to Battlefield mo!
Dang can't wait to see it in person next time we get a chance to meet up! Congrats! Patrick
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Sorry folks I have not gotten mine done yet. I am working on it. The tiller is better I need to hit it with heat still to move the tips and get the belly nice and toasted again. I do my work out side so It will not get done today it is raining.
I get that done asap and work on the handle and tips. I have a big bull snake skin to put on it. this guy was almost 6 foot (road kill, I cant bring myself to take on just for its skin). Sorry for being that guy.
Don't worry Kelly, I would rather wait than except something that you was not happy sending just because of a deadline. Patrick
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Glad you got the bow Jon W
I've seen you make a lot of Osage so I thought I'd do something different for you
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Ok, first of all I have sorry for not checking in in so long. An unexpected move and a new job that started about the same time this trade did, has made this year a lot more hectic than expected.
Second, I received a bow today from Bruce, (blaflair). It's awesome!! That pretty much sums it up. I'll post a couple pics of that tomorrow. Also, Bruce and I have a different trade in the works, and he was kinda enough to text me pics of the bow in progress, of course he forgot to mention it was my trade bow. That was pretty clever Bruce!! I never suspected...pretty sneaky ;D
Third, I put some clear coat on a bow for my victim a few minutes ago. Things got crazy for a minute, broke the tip off plan b last week, and I thought for sure I was done. Man sometimes breaks are just down right depressing. Talk about taking the wind out of your sails. I pulled it off though, always gotta get back on the horse ;) Anyway, here's a sneak peak. Its white ash, 62" long scalloped bow, with a little flip in the tips, some paint, and 42#@28".
Thanks for being patient everybody!! Hope my guy likes it, and I'll let him post a few more pics.
Tattoo Dave
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Glad ya like it Dave
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Checked on mine today. Delivery looks like Thursday instead of Saturday. And I just realized that my note I wrote to put into the tube was laying on my table under some leather. So "#>¢¥§~¿¡¬|£" as soon as you get it send me a message with your number and we can talk a bit. Sorry bud. The brace is 6in from the throat if the handle. The red string is dineema and the tan string is spectra. Both padded with B50. The tan string is the one that is shot in. The red one has had about 20 arrows shot through it.
P.S. That's twice I've forgotten the note in a trade. Last time the pore fella didn't even know what he got. Patrick
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My bow should arrive at its destination tomorrow. Then it will no longer be "my" bow. :(
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I sure am excited to receive mine!
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Shipped today, Should arrive Friday or Saturday.
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I am sorry, between work and school I haven't had a chance to ship. But tomorrow I dont work, so I will ship tomorrow.
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Blob, Yours will be on its way shortly as well. Fret not!
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someone needs to watch the porch tomorrow. It looks like a piece of yellow wood is on its last leg.
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Blob, Yours will be on its way shortly as well. Fret not!
Good to know...thank you
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Shipped.... paid a little extra to get there Friday.
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Just made this post about my trade bow that I sent out! Patrick
http://www.primitivearcher.com/smf/index.php?topic=53732.msg728703#msg728703
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someone needs to watch the porch tomorrow. It looks like a piece of yellow wood is on its last leg.
Mine to jeffp51! Thursday is the big day for ©¥>~™¢¥£¦÷}!! Patrick
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someone needs to watch the porch tomorrow. It looks like a piece of yellow wood is on its last leg.
Mine to jeffp51! Thursday is the big day for ©¥>~™¢¥£¦÷}!! Patrick
HUH? I'm a bit confused by this comment!
I thought you were sending to me!
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My condolences to whoever recieves "Untamed". Its stuck really good inside that cardboard shipping tube. The tude is straight.... the bow? Not so much. Buts its all I had.
The finish on it is citronella candle wax. Who wants pesky mosquitoes messing up their shot? Its the only finish on it. I really enjoyed building and shooting this bow. It was an effort between lebhuntfish and I to get her done. See, it was his plan A for the bow trade but he didnt like it. I was having a fit with my plan A, so I traded him for his. He had the profile cut and a ring chased.
A few hours and a KaBar later she was shooting. After some weight loss in the tips and a skinny as heck handle, this bad boy was grouping 2" groups at 20 yards when lebhuntfish ( dude spelling your screen name sucks ), jo5h and I were shootng it. I reckon 200 arrows so far through it. Of course alot of that is the arrows but still.... awesome bow to shoot. When held it just feels as if it melts into your bow hand and becomes an extension of your body. Most comfy and wildest bow I ever built.
Pat, I will trade for staves like that any day of the week....
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someone needs to watch the porch tomorrow. It looks like a piece of yellow wood is on its last leg.
Mine to jeffp51! Thursday is the big day for ©¥>~™¢¥£¦÷}!! Patrick
HUH? I'm a bit confused by this comment!
I thought you were sending to me!
He ment.... his also, not his is going to jeffp51.
That bow of pats is all early draw weight. If feels like a 50# sack of dog food inside the forst 3 inches. Man it stores some power. I wish we had a F/D curve ploted....
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someone needs to watch the porch tomorrow. It looks like a piece of yellow wood is on its last leg.
Mine to jeffp51! Thursday is the big day for ©¥>~™¢¥£¦÷}!! Patrick
HUH? I'm a bit confused by this comment!
I thought you were sending to me!
he meant "mine too" I think, but for a moment I got a little excited. I haven't got anything yet though, so there is still hope. that is one beautiful bow Patrick, and anyone would be lucky to have it.
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someone needs to watch the porch tomorrow. It looks like a piece of yellow wood is on its last leg.
Mine to jeffp51! Thursday is the big day for ©¥>~™¢¥£¦÷}!! Patrick
HUH? I'm a bit confused by this comment!
I thought you were sending to me!
he meant "mine too" I think, but for a moment I got a little excited. I haven't got anything yet though, so there is still hope. that is one beautiful bow Patrick, and anyone would be lucky to have it.
Thanks jeffp51, and yes, I meant that my trade bow will be at someone's door step tomorrow! Patrick
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It seems like we are missing so many bow posts!
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Well I've decided to post pictures of each stage of my build.
Tonight I got the rest of the sapwood off. (holy crap) it's been a while since I've done this. I forgot how tough this stuff is. I have the back fairly roughly to one ring. I'm going to reduce the stave to a little more "bow" shape. Then chase the next ring down.
I've found the bow in this can you! Hint, it's got character! Patrick
(http://i1335.photobucket.com/albums/w668/lebhuntfish1/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-02/20150211_181454_zpsd6t4vyqv_edit_1423705198769_zpsimh1kusq.jpg) (http://s1335.photobucket.com/user/lebhuntfish1/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-02/20150211_181454_zpsd6t4vyqv_edit_1423705198769_zpsimh1kusq.jpg.html) (http://i1335.photobucket.com/albums/w668/lebhuntfish1/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-02/20150211_181643_zpst9f7pjnx_edit_1423705253384_zpskgtc1uoa.jpg) (http://s1335.photobucket.com/user/lebhuntfish1/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-02/20150211_181643_zpst9f7pjnx_edit_1423705253384_zpskgtc1uoa.jpg.html) (http://i1335.photobucket.com/albums/w668/lebhuntfish1/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-02/20150211_181750_zpsxsqjw4q8_edit_1423705282889_zpso2fiugwd.jpg) (http://s1335.photobucket.com/user/lebhuntfish1/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-02/20150211_181750_zpsxsqjw4q8_edit_1423705282889_zpso2fiugwd.jpg.html) (http://i1335.photobucket.com/albums/w668/lebhuntfish1/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-02/20150211_181242_zpsauevj0pj.jpg) (http://s1335.photobucket.com/user/lebhuntfish1/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-02/20150211_181242_zpsauevj0pj.jpg.html)
Challenge accepted
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You're funny Kevin! I'm glad that you made "Untamed" out of that knotty stave! It definitely has some character! Patrick
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So I was re reading this thread.... many pics are gone! All thats left is a cute kitty licking its lips.
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Got a sweet little bow from Jeffp I will try to get some pics up tonight after work.
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Someone will be getting "The Fury" on their porch today! Patrick
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According to the tracking number, someone has a new bow on their porch!!! Patrick
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Well it aint me :( but mine should be delivered tomorrow. I really hope he likes it and post it here. Seems many are not.
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Man, this is getting tense! i won't know if its me till like 4:30! Then if it is I don't get home till almost 6!
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there has been 3 different ups deliveries today at my house and none of them were a bow :'( :'(
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Got the fury on my porch today. I just posted in Patrick's fury thread. Thanks.
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Whats up Bruce?
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Sound off, If you haven't shipped please speak up! We are 5 days passed the deadline, if you haven't shipped and don't speak up we will start calling!
P.S. I don't have a phone so don't make this hard on me! >:D
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Shipped-it arrived-i have not received. Dying just a little each day waiting.
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Me too Jeff! Dying of not having a phone, and no bow. It will be all good!
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I have this mental image of you at a payphone with a black book of numbers, a bag of coins, and red in the face.
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I have this mental image of you at a payphone with a black book of numbers, a bag of coins, and red in the face.
>:( Like that, but red. But really. If you have spoken up, that is great. Some of you haven't done so though!
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Expensively shipped a bow which broke on the way, haven't received. Those UPS guys just park outside my house to take naps or something, since they never come up the drive.
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Shipped-it arrived-iy have not received. Dying just a little each day waiting.
+1, hunterbob got Fury today! Patrick
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Mine shows delivered!
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oh man the wait is killing me ;) ;)
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Mine shows delivered!
It ain't here Jojo. You may need to check again... Patrick
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Patrick, if it were coming to you it would have been there yesterday!
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Who else has not yet received?
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I'm still waiting
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Not as of yesterday. I havnt been home yet today
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I have not received
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me too
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I have not received yet either. :'( Patrick
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If you have shipped and your guy hasn't received. please review your tracking! Mine shows delivered yesterday.
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Huisme you inbox is still too full.
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IF YOU HAVE SHIPPED AND YOUR RECIPIENT HAS NOT POSTED THAT THEY HAVE RECEIVED, PLEASE MESSAGE THIS ACCOUNT WITH ALL RELATED SHIPPING INFO, INCLUDING TRACKING NUMBER.
IF YOU CAN NOT SUPPLY TRACKING INFORMATION FOR A BOW THAT HAS NOT ARRIVED, THEN YOU HAVE NO PROOF THAT SHIPPING EVER OCCURRED, AND THEN YOU WILL BE CONSIDERED UNSHIPPED!
I (JOE) AM NOT ACCUSING ANYONE OF FRAUD AT THIS POINT. PLEASE HELP US GET THIS TRADE IN THE BOOKS!
NO ONE WANTS TO GET THE SHAFT ON A TRADE.
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Bruce got my bow, he doesn't feel safe about it. My end is open still. I am going to work on something new for him. Thanks for the complete honesty Bruce, I'll make it right!
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IF YOU HAVE SHIPPED AND YOUR RECIPIENT HAS NOT POSTED THAT THEY HAVE RECEIVED, PLEASE MESSAGE THIS ACCOUNT WITH ALL RELATED SHIPPING INFO, INCLUDING TRACKING NUMBER.
IF YOU CAN NOT SUPPLY TRACKING INFORMATION FOR A BOW THAT HAS NOT ARRIVED, THEN YOU HAVE NO PROOF THAT SHIPPING EVER OCCURRED, AND THEN YOU WILL BE CONSIDERED UNSHIPPED!
I (JOE) AM NOT ACCUSING ANYONE OF FRAUD AT THIS POINT. PLEASE HELP US GET THIS TRADE IN THE BOOKS!
NO ONE WANTS TO GET THE SHAFT ON A TRADE.
Well, maybe not you but if the shaft had fletching id be tickled!
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See? See what I did there? Shaft.... arrow, fletching.... feathers... tickled.... get it?
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See? See what I did there? Shaft.... arrow, fletching.... feathers... tickled.... get it?
OK Kevin, I think I got... >:D Patrick
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I have shipped my dude told me he has it I have not received and I am leaving for school next week so my dad might have to post it for me
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Anyone have a tally? Might be good to post a list. Another weekend gone and no surprise on my doorstep. :(
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I checked the tracking on the bow I sent. It is in the right town, but delayed. Grrrrrrrrr!
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My victim should be getting his new bow tomorrow, Wednesday at the latest they said.
Tattoo Dave
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Cool Dave, is it Jeff's or mine? >:D Patrick
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are we the last two waiting?
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I'm still waiting. I think there could be a few others as well
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You, me, Bubbles, Jeff, Patrick. Anyone else?
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I should find out tomorrow if there is a bow shaped package waiting for me at the shippping depot in Niagara Falls NY.
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You guys must be waiting on the cream of the crop bows. (Na I got the cream of the crop) but the ones to come must be nice considering the wait.
These trades are alot of fun but the wait is a killer.
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Add me to the waiting tally. Unless it got delivered and dropped off somewhere other than the house. I have had a package dropped off at the old trailer house across the street. It took a week for anyone to find it. And sometimes it takes a few days for my dad to bring stuff up from the shop when dropped off there.
Kyle
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So as far as I can tell this is the waiting list so far.
Jojodapyro
Lebhuntfish
Mo_coon-catcher
JeffP51
Bubbles
E. Jensen
And Sleek is waiting on number two! >:D
We are 10 days passed the deadline. If you haven't shipped, please let us know.
I will start calling in the next day or two. If you have shipped please let your group leader know, Tracking info is also great!
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So as far as I can tell this is the waiting list so far.
Jojodapyro
Lebhuntfish
Mo_coon-catcher
JeffP51
Bubbles
E. Jensen
And Sleek is waiting on number two! >:D
We are 10 days passed the deadline. If you haven't shipped, please let us know.
I will start calling in the next day or two. If you have shipped please let your group leader know, Tracking info is also great!
I am still waiting as well...however I just received a PM saying that it is on its way.
Apparently there was a last minute drop out. So, a big THANK YOU to whomever stepped up and put this bow together at the absolute last minute!
I can't wait to receive it!
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Apparently there is a long 6 foot tube waiting for me at the Mail Depot in Niagra Falls - Time for a Road Trip! I have a bunch of other things waiting for me there as well.
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the weather let up this weekend So I was able to heat up the bow and get the string tracking better. Since it is hickory and rainy in GA I bet it will be rehydrated by this weekend and I will get it finished up. Sorry again for being that guyl.
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the weather let up this weekend So I was able to heat up the bow and get the string tracking better. Since it is hickory and rainy in GA I bet it will be rehydrated by this weekend and I will get it finished up. Sorry again for being that guyl.
No worries. Things happen, as long as we are aware that you are working on it I don't think we worry, I don't anyway. I would rather you take your time and do it right! Thanks for the reply!
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Well I got a package slip in my mail box. I thought, what am I expecting? A bow, and my new blender. Honestly, I didn't know which I wanted it to be more, because I'm seriously craving a smoothy. Well I'm having cookies for lunch because it wasn't the blender, it was my bow! A pretty neat bow from Tattoo Dave! Thanks!
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And then there were 5!
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Just posted pics of my bow from JonW over in the received thread if anyone is interested.
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Well I got a package slip in my mail box. I thought, what am I expecting? A bow, and my new blender. Honestly, I didn't know which I wanted it to be more, because I'm seriously craving a smoothy. Well I'm having cookies for lunch because it wasn't the blender, it was my bow! A pretty neat bow from Tattoo Dave! Thanks!
Pics!?
Throw us a bone man! Patrick
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Well I got a package slip in my mail box. I thought, what am I expecting? A bow, and my new blender. Honestly, I didn't know which I wanted it to be more, because I'm seriously craving a smoothy. Well I'm having cookies for lunch because it wasn't the blender, it was my bow! A pretty neat bow from Tattoo Dave! Thanks!
I'm jealous of the cookies!
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Lemon snaps from Sprouts
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Well this has been a funny week.
Computer died, have pics of my new bow on it but it's going in for repairs, I'm printing the most current list I can make so I can help people redirect their bows, had to retrieve my recipient's shipping information today so I'm late but it's in the tube.
Please call me with any questions and/or concerns! I won't get messages for a bit. My home phone is (360) 482-4564.
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Who is you? >:D Long time no see sir! Welcome Back!
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Too long :o It's been hectic, and I regret packing the bow because now I can't shoot it.
I do have a sort of official issue I think we should address: people have received unshootable bows.
I won't name any names and I don't want anyone to name names. The purpose of this trade is to encourage involvement.
One of the requirements for participation was that an individual could make and ship a safe bow. Some people have called or messaged me describing bows with hinges, cracking sounds, and chrysalis. I tried to make it clear that nobody should expect a record-breaking weapon but between the six-month timeline, huge pool of knowledge to draw from for help with builds, and the requirement for previous posts or an older member's recommendation I'm surprised that there are duds.
I'm not exactly sure how to address the issue and I don't think we officiators can make such a decision without everyone's input. I might make a separate thread for this discussion unless someone beats me to it.
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Message me Huisme.
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Jensen, I'm glad to hear it made it there. Things were pretty crazy at the last minute for me. That bow was plan C. I really like that bow, a lot. I hope you like it as much as I did, hard to let go of ;) That was the first scalloped bow I've made, thanks to some advice from half eye. Anyway, glad you got it.
Tattoo Dave
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I'll be taking it out closer towards the weekend to shoot it. Pics then!
PS Blender came today too yay!!!!
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A smoothie and a new bow, that's a good day.
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I dont know really know how to get this done, but I think there needs to be some pictorial proof that a member can create a serviceable bow. I have been fortunate that in the years I have participated I have gotten a shooting bow, unfortunately if this continues experinced bowyers will not continue to participate. The experience that the newer members can gain by handling a fine piece of craftsmanship that a veteran bowyer can create will be lost.
Maybe we need to go away from the vouching system for the newer guys , and go for the hard proof of pictures of safe shooting bows. Not necessarily a works of art, but bows that shoots an that you have no fear of.
I have participated the last few years solely for the purpose of being forced to make a bow. if I don't do the trade I might not make a bow for a year. It forces me to ask questions and hone my skils to make a better bow. really try to make the best bow that I can so that whoever gets one of my bows can feel safe and be proud of their received bow.
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I dont know really know how to get this done, but I think there needs to be some pictorial proof that a member can create a serviceable bow. I have been fortunate that in the years I have participated I have gotten a shooting bow, unfortunately if this continues experinced bowyers will not continue to participate. The experience that the newer members can gain by handling a fine piece of craftsmanship that a veteran bowyer can create will be lost.
Maybe we need to go away from the vouching system for the newer guys , and go for the hard proof of pictures of safe shooting bows. Not necessarily a works of art, but bows that shoots an that you have no fear of.
I have participated the last few years solely for the purpose of being forced to make a bow. if I don't do the trade I might not make a bow for a year. It forces me to ask questions and hone my skils to make a better bow. really try to make the best bow that I can so that whoever gets one of my bows can feel safe and be proud of their received bow.
I think you're right, I actually collected several full draw pictures and sent them to huisme and told him that I wasn't sure if I qualified because I have never sent a bow to anyone before. I take my bow building very serious because I am making a weapon. That could kill or badly injure someone either with a projectile or with a broken piece of wood flying back at their face. I've been lucky so far, I've only received a knot on my forehead and a bruised shoulder and shin bone from bows breaking. I have had wood shards stuck in my garage ceiling from one exploding on my tiller tree. This being said, I wouldn't even give a questionable bow to anyone. I would either try to fix it or try to break it. And then if I couldn't do either I would cut off the bad limb or just throw the whole thing in the burn pile. Handing off a unsafe bow is like shooting a cracked arrow, neither is a good idea. And I personally wouldn't do either...
Patrick
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So, in the best interest of everyone here. Who has received a bow that they don't deem shootable? If there is only talk in private between certain people, the person who made the bow that someone deems unshootable, or unsafe may not be aware. There was a thread that Tyke started about the same time as the bow trade sign-ups that asked why there were so few "Veterans" signing up. The answer seemed to be very guarded, and not a lot of people were willing to give a real answer. Speaking in private with several people, I learned that unfortunately a lot of the bows that go out in this trade are junk, or at least not up to the standards of the veterans. It was also discussed that everyone was to do their best. I understood from the beginning that I may get a bow that I didn't like, and I am still ok with it. I gained a whole lot of respect from Bruce because he was completely honest with me from just about the moment that he got my bow, and wasn't comfortable with it. I am fine with that, I don't have an ego, and this was a good learning experience for me. Going forward I know that you gain a lot of confidence in a bow as you work on it. While i was comfortable with shooting the bow I sent, doesn't mean Bruce has to be, but he at least owed me the respect to tell me, and he did. Honesty is heavily regarded as a good trait, but people are too many times of throwing out that honesty in fear of hurting someones feelings.
In the end I am not here to make friends. I have, and that is great. But I am here to learn, and get people to help me see the issues with my work. If we all continue to coddle each other and give praise where it isn't due, we WILL continue to have these issues. I have offered to make another bow for Bruce, I feel that i at least owe him a bow he feels safe enough to shoot. There are people here who continue to help people learn and grow as craftsman, and I thank those people.
I will end my rant with the same statement that I have made several times here to no avail.
IF YOU HAVE YET TO SHIP, PLEASE LET THOSE OF US RUNNING THIS YEARS TRADE KNOW, SO WE AREN'T STUCK WONDERING IF WE NEED TO FIND SOMEONE TO REPLACE YOU.
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I hate this part of trades. Came up in knife swaps as well. A possible solution is to rank the bows. Everyone finished by a deadline and posts a picture. All participants give each bow a score 1-5. Add up the scores. 1&2 swap. 3&4 swap. Etc,etc. In that way, everyone receives an item of similar quality to their own. The veterans don't have to fear receiver junk, and you don't have a bunch of newbs joining simply to score a master bow.
It worked quite well for the last knife swap I was in, except my recipient was unhappy and almost hurt himself seriously because he didn't realize the parring knife I made had an 'upside down' edge (I maintain that it is right side up for a paring knife and that all other paring knives have the edge on the wrong side). He was a bit happier when he was finally convinced it wasn't an elaborate prank.
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It'll never change fella's. Accept what happens will continue to happen, or stay out of the swap. The same guys that start their bows a day before the deadline will do it again next year. The same guys that cant build a safe bow now will enter again next year and still not know how to build a safe bow. Its the nature of the beast.
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I hope folks don't take this wrong but a lot are like me, I am not afraid of receiving junk, I just don't like deadlines, that is the only reason I don't get in these swaps. if everyone does the best they can do then that should be good enough. :)Looks like some pretty nice stuff going out to me. :)
Pappy
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How would that type of "grading" work with bows? Different recipients are right or left handed, different weights because of use or hand/shoulder issues, and different draw lengths as well.
I personally would not want to receive a bow for me to use if it was tillered to 75@24 nor a bow tillered to 40@29. My personal draw length is 27in. I tend to shoot about 26 to 27 depending on the situation. I wouldn't mind a bow that was between 35 and 60 pounds at 27 in. I would think that a bow that was tillered to 24" would be unsafe in the hands of someone with a longer draw length. We have always heard, "never shoot anyone else's bow because it wasn't made to fit you.
As long as the bow is tillered correctly that is what should matter. If there is tool marks, uneven places and the finish isn't the greatest then that shouldn't matter. That comes with time and practice.
I noticed that during sign up there was some people that I never even heard of. When I checked them out I noticed that they normally showed up about "bow trade" time. They were pretty much dormant other than that. Now that doesn't make them a bow bower at all. I just think you should be an active member of PA to participate. I personally wouldn't mind helping run the next trade. Maybe with a few rule changes and be a little more strict on participation.
Maybe the bow designs should be checked out before the build. Just my thoughts, Patrick
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Joe i gave a truthfull answer that I was to busy to get in the trade i still have a bow that i promised someone to finish, no deadline but i hate dragging stuff out, that said I've run or helped run several trades on here and like ivory soap most of the guys on here are 99.99% pure true to their word and will put out the best they can and thats all i expect, but the there is that small % that just want a bow and send out crap that most guys would use for firewood, or are super late shipping and make it a royal pain for you guys running it or that never planned on shipping a bow, one xmas trade a guy kept whining he hadn't got anything so i sent him something, turns out he never shipped anything, that trade me and a few others had to ship 7 items as they never recieved from their person, people we need to be honest with ourselves and if you just can't do the trade don't get in it, rant over
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And for what it's worth i still have all the bows i recieved in bow swaps
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Rather than grading the bows it might be easier to group the bowyers and put them in trade groups of equal skill level. So you would be trading only with guys at your skill level. Have three tiers, advanced, intermediate and beginner. Still getting a bow made just for you, by someone in a similar state of bow making ability.
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Instead of offering up a bunch of worthless rant of meaningless words here that wont solve this issue,then lemme offer this:
Lemme know if yins need a make up bow sent out....nuff said.
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Just be sure they are safe Bad Chris :)
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<snip>Lemme know if yins need a make up bow sent out....nuff said.
It's so kewl when y'all yankees say 'yins'. I can hear the western PA accent of my cousins ringing in my head when y'all do that.
...and good on ya Chris for offering a solution.
Onebow
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It was just an idea. You could just have all the bows in a general range, 40-60# for example. I don't know about left/right. All my bows are ambidextrous so I forget about that one. Maybe a better idea is like you said and make sure people are regular participants.
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We tried post limits, time in the saddle and a few other metrics in the past. It doesn't matter or work. Id suggest just swapping with friends. Im sure most of us have noticed birds of a feather flock together around "here". We all have our cliques, crews or factions we belong to. Swap amongst yourselves and enjoy a relaxing swap.
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I like Bubble's last idea. But inevitably someone will be hurt they are not intermediate or not advanced. What a pickle. I've done enough swaps to know you've got to go into it knowing you could send something out that is much better than what you receive. Just the name of the game.
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I did it for 3 years and enjoyed it. Now ive been doing only personal trades and like it more. No deadline, no drama and more personal. Its sad that is how i feel but it is the truth. Hope you all figure a way to finalize.
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I am definitely a guilty one, on this, my first bow trade.
I sent out a bow that I really liked, but didn't package it well enough for the rhinoceros at UPS and they broke the hell out of it. I should have known better for international shipping, and now I do. Mikekeswick, bless his heart, told me to not worry about it and just chalk it up to learning this year, and maybe he could still salvage something from what was left in the package. I don't intend to leave it at that, so I'm working on it.
And then, on top of my recipient receiving a busted mess, I received an awesome bow from Sleek.
Regarding the "grading" of bowyers or their bows: I'd rather see it happen the way it did, with a risk of receiving a clunker. If it's open to all comers, then there's risk for the veterans, but they can handle it. If they don't like the bow they receive, they can always build one they like more. The trade is about building community for me, more than banking on the bow I'll get. There's a reason why this thread has more than 35x the 'views' than the posts... It strikes a positive chord in many of us.
Sleek, thank you man.
Michael
PS: Thank you so much to the organizers of this event!!
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This is my point with the whole deal though Bruce, Just because you get a bow that isn't as good as you can make, doesn't mean it wasn't the best bow that your builder could. That is why we need to not expect the world from a trade. My complaint is that we seem to have a large number of people who, instead of taking it up with the person who made their bow, went to the person who ran their group. I don't know about the other two, but dealing with people dropping out, and not hearing from people on shipping has been a chore. I know I signed up for it. Let the person who sent your bow know. They might be mad, but they will at least not have to wonder about your honesty.
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I guess ideally in a tiered system you would not be informed of which level the organizers slotted you in. You would be judged based on your body of work already presented on the site.
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Maybe we should not have the trade a secret. Maybe we should have it out in the open like the arrow trade was. Where you list all the names and your victims name is the one after yours. That way everyone knows.
By the way, Chadwick, you have remained my respect sir. I'm sorry I felt the way I did. But I never made one comment online or to anyone. Patrick
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In the end we all need to remember that what we think is awesome may not ring someone else's bell! No matter what I get, I am going to be happy. Someone spent a lot of hours making something for me. As I have said, I plan on building another bow for Bruce, fair is fair. A lot of folks said right off the bat to not take the trade lightly, and I suspect that a lot of us still did. As many of us have seen first hand, Stuff happens. Bows break. Plans A through D don't work. i think there has been some awesome bows, and to be completely honest, some guys have really turned it up from what I thought they would put out!
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Bruce, please tell me where there is any fiberglass on that bow? I can wait, and you will find one small 1x1 piece on the butt end of the top limb. I'm sorry you are disappointed, I am sorry that someone didn't give you the very best bow in the entire trade. I put hundreds of arrows through that bow. If you didn't feel safe shooting it, why did you?
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Also, by the looks of the photo you didn't have the top limb seated. There is no need to be ugly Bruce, You said you didn't like it, I said I would send another, I don't know what beyond that you wanted. Trust me when I say it was a disappointment for us both. I spent many many hours on that bow, If I hadn't shot it, and knew it would work, I wouldn't have sent it. And on that note, i'm done. If you want to keep going on about it, feel free.
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Hey guys step back and breath this doesn't need to escalate any further
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All I can say is that my bows are not the best but I am proud of them I have Herb Meland (pronghorn bows) check them out before I send or sell anything. I received a very beautiful bow from E Jensen that I can't seem to stop shooting. My guy in the trade hasn't told me if he likes my bow or not but I think he will like it and shoot the snot out of it. I want to ask that you keep having a trade because it pushes us to make our best bows. I am normally very quiet on here and just try and learn as much as I can, but he trade has taught me more than anything else. Thanks for letting the younger ones like me in to the trade.
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The last few pages of drama is the main reason I'm watching this trade from the sidelines (http://rabbittalk.com/images/smilies/smiley-eatdrink062.gif) This mess happens every year. Stick with one on one trades with someone you know and respect and you will be much happier.
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Hey guys step back and breath this doesn't need to escalate any further
+1 fellas, Patrick
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Well guys, this happens every year. There are always some folks that don't seem to mind taking advantage of others, don't mind sending out something that hasn't been proven, can't build a bow in 8 or 10 months or is just a plane old liar. There are always serious problems and family matters that come up and some of that is excusable but with as much time as you guys have hardly any of that should matter.
I helped start these bow trades and participated for quite a few years. The main purpose of these bow trades were to help build confidence in some of the newer bow builders, knowing they might be building for a more seasoned bow builder. Grouping guys by their experience level has never been part of these trades. Either you are in or you are not, no matter what your skill level is. It has certainly lost it's cache over the last few years. I guess, like others have said, maybe we should just trade between friends and forget the PA Bow Trades all together.
Anyone that has not sent out a bow, please do so as soon as you can...and please no excuses. Your dog didn't eat your bow and everyone knows UPS will screw up a bow if it is not packaged well and sometimes even if it is packaged well. If you owe someone a bow and can't send one to them, send something else so they don't get screwed in the trade. If you have received a bow but not sent one out, send the one you received. Man up and do the right thing.
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Keep the bow for yourself joe, I really don't need it. Like I said I'm done. I was told to try and string it and see how bad it was. I was told to give a honest answer. I have done both. I'm done
Bruce, you DID give an honest answer, and I thanked you for it. I meant it, and I still do. You said you "Didn't have the heart to even string it" and my next message to you was "OK, I feel ya. Thanks so much for being honest!". I don't have an ego, and until about an hour ago I felt bad. My rant was in respect to dumping off an issue with someone else. As soon as I talked to you about the bow I posted here that you didn't feel safe with it and that I would make another.
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Let it ride JoJo/Bruiser. Its over. No need to build or send more bows with the animosity between you two. Fill in your current dead beat slots and shut the lights off when you leave.
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I only want to know if there was ever a bow sent my direction or if one is still coming and I should keep looking for it.
Bad bow, but best effort possible = not a problem
Received a bow but didn't send one out and didn't tell anyone = really flakey and not a nice thing to do. I couldn't live with myself like that.
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Jeff, you don't get a bow? I'll hook you up. If memory serves you made a sweet azz curvey osage bow, correct me if Im wrong. You deserve a shootable rig in return.
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I only want to know if there was ever a bow sent my direction or if one is still coming and I should keep looking for it.
Bad bow, but best effort possible = not a problem
Received a bow but didn't send one out and didn't tell anyone = really flakey and not a nice thing to do. I couldn't live with myself like that.
+1, that's all I want to know too. I have not received one as well.
I thought we was having a discussion about possible ways to solve the trade problems....
Patrick
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If someone needs a bow I can build another one if need be. Id be happy to do it
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I wish there was a like button on here PD. Jeff dererves a bow for sure.
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Im almost done with the make up bow im building...
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We have 5 waiting. I'll message your guy Jeff.
Jeff, I sent a message, I'll let you know when I hear something!
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I would build another as well. I'm just not very fast at making them. But I sure would. Patrick
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Jeff, you don't get a bow? I'll hook you up. If memory serves you made a sweet azz curvey osage bow, correct me if Im wrong. You deserve a shootable rig in return.
Pearldrums, that is a very nice gesture. If it doesn't work out with the guy who has me, I would be honored to shoot one of your bows-i very much appreciate your and steelslinger's kind words about my work. Sometimes (especially lately)with my job, that kind of positive feedback is rare.
It's one of the reasons I keep coming to this site.
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And for what it is worth, I thought that piece of Osage I sent out had some sweet curves on it too. Enjoy it, Brad, and if it proves to be flawed and breaks on you, let me know, and I will make it right.
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With what all seems to be going on, I feel like I had better put it out there that the bow I sent broke shortly after getting to its new home, the tip broke off splitting about 2" separating grain layers. He was good enough to let me know promptly and sent it back to me to repair it. Which Ill be able to get everything glued up tomorrow evening and will be testing it out Sunday. Which I thank you for giving me the opportunity to redeem myself. If everything goes smoothly it won't be long and you will have your bow back and more Which its wierd to me that it broke since a buddy and I shot it a bunch before sending it. It's probably a combination of I made the tips tiny and not padding the bow in the tube well enough. Both issues of which I'll be sure to correct. Which I'm sorry happened and I'll be sure to make it up to you.
Kyle
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I'd like to respectfully chime in if I may. I know I'm not well known by many on PA, but I've shipped a few trade bows over the last couple years and given away many more locally.
I swap because I like to gift. I did the TG swap 3 years I think, this year is my fourth. My first bow was not great but shoot able. My second was a huge step forward, my third I believe was also not my finest work ever but was a reasonable performing shootsble rig. This year I will do better than all those years past. I don't measure my swaps on what I receive but on what I was able to make and give away.
As the veterans have noted, this sort of thing always happens. Some of us will always try to do our best, and some will spend 6 months convincing themselves they've done theyre best.
I don't mean to hurt feelings, but I'm not the type to pull punches either. For the veterans who do enter, I believe they do it for love and charity and not for 'trade' per se.
One on one swaps between mutually respectful peers is really the best way. Doing so has earned me some great friends.
I think part of it too is that the forums have exploded in popularity in the last few years and it's not the same small community it once was.
Cheers
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Well said ben
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One on one swaps between mutually respectful peers is really the best way. Doing so has earned me some great friends.
I think part of it too is that the forums have exploded in popularity in the last few years and it's not the same small community it once was.
Amen
DBar
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all you guys may not take much notice of this because i dont post much here just mainly lurke. but ive been watching these trades for quite a few years now . i dont partisapate as i live in australia and most of you guys dont like shiping overseas, which doent matter . i like watching the trades , but i think you all have forgotten what the trades are about and only think its great way to recieve a great bow with out to much out lay . even the veterans appear to have aquired this attertude. i think if you want a trade that will achieve the main goal of the trade which is boost beginers moral and help them be better bow builders then at the end of every trade all recievers must give a fair and honest review of the bow recieved.
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Wow! The wheels are really coming off this train. The point of these trades has been corrupted or completely lost it would seem. What a crying shame that is. Josh
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Josh, I actually don't think so. Give people a day or two to cool off and I think things will be fine. This site is full of good people trying to do the right thing. When things calm down a little everyone will remember that. Everything will work out, I am sure.
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These problems cannot be fixed. The problems being people will always back out for one reason or another. Or you recieve a poor bow. Thing is, a poor bow to you may be another guys absolute best. You cant quatify what a good bow is, fit, finish, performance. If it holds and shoots an arrow its a bow like it or not.
The higher your skill set is the more likely you are to get a bow that is less than your quality. Honestly, you should expect it and join the fun knowing it. I know my level of inexperience is pathetic compared to many on here still. But thats the thing about life. No matter how good you get, someone is always better than you. I just do my best hoping to make a serviceable bow the other guy will at least enjoy shooting. If he doesnt find it attractive at least he could find it handy. Kinda like my wife looks at me....
Id cringe if I drew the name of some on here because I know my level of craftsmanship is just not on their level. I feel bad for beginners who draw me because im sure im not alone I my feelings. ( should a new guy read this and you draw my name, just make the best you can. There is plenty of beauty in function. ) However, in defining beginners, if they only made one bow, dont join, we do like serviceable bows.
The guys who run this do try to rule out the super inexperienced for obvious reasons but I guess you cant make anything fool proof. After all, I got in. If you join, expect less than what you give if you are experienced. If you are new, you have many months to practice. Don't waste time, and if dedicating months to a project feels like work, you shouldnt join, your not ready yet.
I hope the hurt feelings heal soon. I dont think im the only person trying to make things right here. To help in the future, a thread cou t threshold should be considered. I have 2000 something posts. Whats that mean? I have invested into this community my time, feelings, efforts. This is in some ways MY community. Im invested in it and want whats best. Obviously if someone from another site wants in with a low count I should vouch for them and it should be good enough. If they fall through, it was on my word they were good, its on me to make it right. Just future considerations.
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I have been reading this and I have a comment or two, I did not join this year because I am just too busy this year with my daughter being a Senior and started a new job, I did not want to make a commitment and risk not being able to keep it.
With that said I am by no means an accomplished bowyer, I am still very much a novice. I have been in the trade the last two years and those two bows are the best bows I have ever made, I poured my heart and soul into both of them and did the absolute best I could. I hope they are still together and my recipient likes them because my greatest fear on trades like this is failing to make the mark.
Being a novice I can look at pictures on this forum till the cows come home but will not learn near as much on how to properly build a bow like I would by being able to handle a bow built by someone with greater skill than I for just a few minutes.
These trades used to be about giving and not receiving, it was to build the best you could for your recipient and push the limits of your abilities. I understand the need for a minimum level of competence in these trades because people will use the best materials they have to create these works of art and they have a significant amount of time and money invested in them.
I would hate to see the trades go by the way of the dodo and would rather see something like a trade for beginners and novices and a trade for the veterans because I learn a great deal from looking at what is posted as well as what I can hold in my hands.
Grady
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Lots of you have hit the nail right on the head. This is about community, and not about stuff. It is about being able to see what someone else has done, taking a bit of their thinking and being able to hold it in your hands. I will be completely honest. There were few that joined this year that I expected masterpieces from, and ALL of the people who I had reservations about knocked it out of the park. I treated the trade like christmas. I haven't received yet, and no matter what I get, I will learn from it. i am not a master by any stretch of the imagination. Thanks for everyone kicking butt. Sleek, thanks for picking up some slack. Huisme and Steelslinger, thanks for helping with the Admin duties. Thanks for all the people who have read and commented here throughout the entire time.
Jeff, your bow has been shipped. It should be getting to your neck of the woods soon. >:D
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Thanks Jojo! I know you have worked at this trying to keep the trade going.
Don't want to sound like that guy. But do you have any news on the bow that I'm supposed to receive? Thanks again, Patrick
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Slow day at work eh pat? If you dont receive a bow, ill make ya one buddy. Ill be sure its something.... unique shall we say? >:D just cause I love ya buddy... ( no homo )
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Thanks Jojo! I know you have worked at this trying to keep the trade going.
Don't want to sound like that guy. But do you have any news on the bow that I'm supposed to receive? Thanks again, Patrick
Unfortunately I don't know who is sending you a bow. I can kinda figure it out, but you weren't on my list. Whoever sent you your name should be able to help. I don't have the list in front of me as I am at work. As soon as I get home I will blast out a group message to all the guys who haven't shipped yet. 5 of us haven't received, but only 1 isn't accounted for so far that I am aware. Sleeks second trade is good, Jeffs is good, and I know two that are sending.
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Thanks Jojo. I know that huisme is the one I got my name from. But I remember him saying the other day his computer is on the fritz and he couldn't get messages. Maybe I'll have a package when I get home. Thanks again.
Sleek buddy, I know you would make me a bow in a drop of a hat. I really appreciate it to! Thanks, and luv you to (No homo either) >:D Patrick
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@sleek n lebhuntfish....yins are having quite the bromance going!!! >:D but,guess id rather see man love going on here than the man hate that was happening earlier....lol :laugh:
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@sleek n lebhuntfish....yins are having quite the bromance going!!! >:D but,guess id rather see man love going on here than the man hate that was happening earlier....lol :laugh:
I don't hate Bruce, and I don't think he hates me. He is upset, and with reason. But the bromance is the wave of the future!
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Oh no Pat, they are on to us!
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@sleek n lebhuntfish....yins are having quite the bromance going!!! >:D but,guess id rather see man love going on here than the man hate that was happening earlier....lol :laugh:
Man I'm going to have to blame PA. Because if it wasn't for them I wouldn't even know sleek.
I guess that's a good thing though, I've met a lot of good people on here. Well except maybe you Chris! >:D
Nah he is ok!
Patrick
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Good or Bad? :o
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Good, but don't tell Chris I said that! >:D
Patrick
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My son just called me at work to say a big long package just arrived from England. I may have to leave a little early --I wasn't getting much done anyway. :D
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My son just called me at work to say a big long package just arrived from England. I may have to leave a little early --I wasn't getting much done anyway. :D
Awesome! I can't wait to see that one! Good deal, I'm excited for you! Patrick
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oooooo, I wonder who that is from? :)
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My son just called me at work to say a big long package just arrived from England. I may have to leave a little early --I wasn't getting much done anyway. :D
ENGLAND?!? >:D
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Wowzer's to bad it had to go this way. :-\ I look forward to the trade each year and have been blessed with. Beautiful bows for the last 3 swaps! Randman,jloranger and wizardgoat thankyou!i think a person. Should at least have a back up plan before entering.maybe offering up your favorite personal bow as an. Ante.if a. Dude doesn't have at least one proven. Bow in his collection maybe they don't qualify.be. Nice if all guys. Had a couple of back up plans before entering!maybe. Grading. By full draw and unbraced.just a thought
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I offer up one maybe two. Of my personal bows to fill the gap if need be!i can always. Make another lol!
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Just spent the last hour shooting in my back yard. Mikekeswick sent me a beautiful laminated D-bow from across the pond. Definitely worth the wait. the bow is very light in the hand with a super smooth draw. It is a very nice bow. 44# at my drawlength the laminations are Maple back, with a purpleheart core. Mike what can you tell me about the overlays and the Pau amerillo belly wood? I have never heard of it. my camera battery just died so I will get pictures up later.
Thanks again,
Jeff
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I'm making a road trip across the border to pick mine up tomorrow! Exciting stuff!
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Jeff, can't wait to see the pictures of that one!
Good for you bubbles! Glad yours made it!
I hope mine gets here soon! I'll be gone for a week over labor day weekend. I would hate for it to sit outside. Patrick
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First off, I have no dog in this hunt so take this for what you will.
I have never participated in a bow trade here on PA but I have over on TG for 3 years I think. The last couple years I have not joined in because of being to busy and just "life" happening. For me it was never about the bow I was getting but about the best bow I could make for someone else. Did those folks get the best bow in the trade, No way. They did get my best effort at the time.
So with all that said, if a bow is needed for someone to finish this trade. I would be happy to built one.
Thanks David
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I'm sorry there has been some bad feelings this year but in a way it's understandable to me. Unfortunately for this to work we are relying on every single person who partakes to be upstanding, honest, proud and humble all at the same time. I'll put the offer out there as well - if anybody is left stuck without a serviceable bow i'll make another.
Jeff - yes the belly is pau amerillo or yellowheart. I think Marc St Louis recently posted a bow using it as a bellywood as well, I don't see many people using it but it is very elastic, easy to work and compression resistant and the real kicker for me is that it tends to be very straight grained. The overlays are just plain old buffalo horn. The other woods are 1/4 sawn maple back, purpleheart core, zebrano powerlam and a small piece of tambooti for the handle. It is such a cool wood to work with. I cut this piece for your handle and my workshop still smells of it a week later. It's almost a shame to have sealed the smell in!
http://www.sabisabi.com/wildfacts/tamboti-tree/ read this for a bit more info on it.
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Good, but don't tell Chris I said that! >:D
Patrick
Im much less of a dink in person ;)
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Good, but don't tell Chris I said that! >:D
Patrick
Im much less of a dink in person ;)
Lol Pearly! I was talking about the bad Chris!
I haven't met you in person yet but that statement may apply to you to >:D Patrick
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Bad Chris? He is dink in person to. You think he was given that name because he is all roses? Oh, heck no.
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Ive met patrick at the classic...he knows im an a$$hole not only online,but in person too. At least im real and the same person ya get online and in person unlike some other phonies around here...lol :laugh:
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Ive met patrick at the classic...he knows im an a$$hole not only online,but in person too. At least im real and the same person ya get online and in person unlike some other phonies around here...lol :laugh:
True statement Chris! I'm glad that you are
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I have received.
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So what did you receive bubbles?
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I want to send a the guy a pm before I post the bow. Waiting for one of the organizers to give me his handle so I can shoot him a message. There wasn't a note that included that info with the bow. I threw out the tube which had his real name on it before I realized that his name wasn't anywhere on the bow.
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Holy crap! I thought I'd click on here for the first time and see some Trade Bows. Looks like I was lucky enough to miss out on all of the whining, and drama instead. I can't believe the petty BS I've been reading and only went back 9 pages from the end.
Bruce, and a few other people I think missed the point in all of this. If you were expecting to get a perfect bow to your liking you should have done a personal trade with someone and also read up on the rules and "spirit" of this Bow swap. Bruce, by the way, the osage bow you got from me a year ago came from the "bad" Chris. He sent me that bow because I got stiffed by someone overseas. You wanted an Osage so you got it, I had plenty. I've been in the Bow Swap 4 times, got stiffed twice and would have been in this year if I hadn't been working so many hours.
I'll be glad to monitor this or head it up next year. I have a lot of information on everybody and I don't mind calling and asking what's up about being late or not coming through on your end. Or asking why you don't have the decency to give your recipient a heads up.
I'm glad I wasn't in on this, this year, I'd be embarrassed.
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Mullet, I look forward to next year >:D
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Gents, From my count there are 3 senders left. Blob, I think yours is on its way.
Sleek, has yours left? I suppose you talked to your number 2 sender?
That leaves 2!
I know your names, I'm not gonna give too many hints, One of you has contacted me, the other Hasn't >:D!!!
We are damn near 15 days passed. If you haven't contacted your guy and they are waiting PLEASE let them know why it is held up, and when it is expected. Thanks.
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No Jojo, I haven't talked to my number two sender. I have done business with him in the past. He didnt do me wrong back then. Im sure its legit whatever is holding him up. I havent sent the make up bow yet, but its shooting and shooting nicely. I have talked to the recipient and he knows im waiting on meeting back up with Patric so he can add his leather handle wrap mojo and other things im no good at to it. That guy is a master wood finisher and his bows aint bad either. It will be shipped after that.
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Also, Because everyone has received a bow (Just about), we should have more on the page for received bows. Please do your sender a solid and post a photo or two!
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I still have not received yet.
Patrick
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I am with bruce on this one . If you enter the bow trade you should be able to produce a bow that shoots for your guy. If you can't then you should not get in the bow trade. It seems to me that some get in just to try and get a good bow and don't worry about the guy they are making one for at all. I don't think it's right
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Im not ashamed to say in public that is certainly the truth.
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Personally I would like to see some clear images of any bows that are deemed not suitable by their recipients. Let's at least see what we're talking about.
Actually I, dying here sitting on he sidelines, just waiting to see more pics of ALL the swap bows. Not much in the way of finished how pics at all.
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Than why am I being belittled for being pissed about getting a non functioning bow?! I'm not new to being the bad guy. But rules are rules.
Just honestly answering your question and being blunt no hard feelings ok?
You did right to tell jojo. Jojo did right saying he would make another. That's where it should have stopped. But you mentioned it several times after and it seemed to ne pointed ( note the word seemed maybe it wasnt ) towarsa jojo who said he would fix it but you wouldnt drop it. That pissed jojo off and honestly annoyed me some in reading it
You had some valid points about following the rules. Its good to make a point a nd then quit. You also however seemed to drive a point about not receiving quality. Not what the trade is for. You dont feel you received quality.... but that reverts back to you telling jojo and jojo fixing it and you not dropping the issue.
That being said, hope I didnt piss you off. Its just how I read the situation. Hope we can still get along cause I got nothing against ya and I know I have been a butt before, in many different situations.
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I'm having a real hard time just not saying anything after reading all this so here is my thoughts. I did it for three or four years and really enjoyed it. Lately I've only been doing personal trades. I still think the idea of the bow trade is a good one. But you guys are really sucking the life out of it. This is not the first time a dog has been sent out. I received one that broke on first pull and about 20 people witnessed it. I did call him up and tell him the truth but I did not go online and bring a lot of harsh words. I do believe if you enter into this you should be able to make a bow. Not a pretty bow not a fancy bow but one that could be strung and pulled back without breaking. I don't care about handshock I don't care about cast but the Bow should be able to be strung and pulled back. The bow that broke on me was obviously never really shot and to me it is obvious that it was made to be a wall hanger which is not what the deal is all about. I have probably 10 Bows from other great people that shoot great but the truth is I never shoot them. I pretty much only shoot what I make. it is definitely a toss up on what you're going to get but this back and forth junior high drama does nothing but bring a lot of negative energy to this trade. So as far as I'm concerned take this back and forth commenting offline and leave it up to the people running the trade next year on who will and will not be in it. Sorry for the rant but I think everything being said here is counterproductive
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Ok I let her set after putting some more heat on the belly. I tried to fix the string tracking but either I went too far or it did not take. I think I have the tiller under control.
Ok just off the heat.
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She sets almost strait now. After shooting she has some string follow but it comes out after she has rested.
Braced
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Checking tiller
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And near full draw.
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The rain came in yesterday and kept me from heating it up But I like the way this thing slings an arrow. It has better cast then any I have made.
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oK here is the issue.
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Ok if the weather holds she will get some bacon grease on her then heated up. To get it better.
Once I am sure I have that done I will work on the handle and tips. I have a big ole bull snake I got off the road last spring. Then tru oil and in a tube God willing next week.
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Dang Kelly! That dude sure is looking good! Can't wait to see I'd all finished up! Patrick
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Trust me on this. Dont have a cow trying to get string alignment. Its fine.
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A gentle push at the handle and some heat will take that out no sweat.i will do a mock up and post some pics if you want?
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A gentle push at the handle and some heat will take that out no sweat.i will do a mock up and post some pics if you want?
I personally would like to see how you do that. I always pick a limb crook and straighten it out a bit. Patrick
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Sleek I dont worry to much but that bad boy is a bit to far over for me. If it was staying with me I would not bother but its not. I dont make the pretties bows I just like when they shoot but that one is just off. It tryies to twist when I stting it but not drawing it. So I will push it over a bit. I still have plenty in the handle and knocks so I can fine tune if i need to.
But if you look back that thing tiller was headed south and I think we pulled it off. with plenty of weight.
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I'm still in the dark about the bow I'm supposed to receive. No word and no package again today. Patrick
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As am I. Curious as we have 3 senders and so far that I know only two to receive. My list is done, so I don't know who has who anymore.
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To be very honest,your tiller is very whipped.only bending far out on the limbs.i'msure it shoots like a rocket but the longevity i'm not sure?prove me wrong I hope!i wet a rag to protect the back.
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It is whip tillered but I dont think its a problem.
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Bad string alingment,no prob,whip tillered no prob so sleek what is important?lol?
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It's it whipped tillered? Or is he attempting an elliptical tiller? Not sure, the tips seam to me to be stiff. What say you Kell?
Patrick
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Bad string alingment,no prob,whip tillered no prob so sleek what is important?lol?
Well.... how it shoots.... duh! Lol
String alignment for the most part ( extreme cases excepted ) are a mind over matter thing. If you dont mind, it dont matter. Just put the arrow pass on the side it shoots best from. Prop twist? Who cares, tiller and shoot anyway. It flattens out at full draw for the most part and what doesnt flatten out, again.... mind over matter. Whip tiller? Naw, its a nicely tillered short limbed bow with a looong riser. They are efficient just not incredible in speed. Little hand shock either. Not bad bows to shoot. I kinda like em to be honest, and they have their uses. For example, if a bad spot is inner limb, bend it less and make the outer bend more, making it more whip tillered to avoid breakage.
So what does matter, hinges, limb timing, and amount of working wood per amount of draw force and distance
That matters. Beyond that, eh, it'll shoot.
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Well I say I just try and tiller the bow so she shoots. It cast an arrow futher then any I have made. I feel a bit of hand shock. I dont mind an off string but this one is a bit more then what I would keep for myself. If you look at the first pic at the fresh of fthe caul there is a bit of reflex in the whole limbe and at fully draw the inner limbe looks flat and the circle is more at the ends. But hell I post pic. Listen to those who have done the a 100x more then me. But over all I like the bow. I would gladly hunt with it myself so that is the test of any bow I send out. would I keep and shoot it.
I added the grease and got the string tracking a bit better if it is at least over the edge of the handle I will leave it and put on my floppy finisnh the handle tips and put a skin on. Then tru oil and ship. God willing I will not be the last to ship. And I will have learned to not bite off more then I can chew. DO NOT ENTER 2 SWAPS AND PLAN A MOVE IN THE MIDDLE! :P
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Its the two hinges that are going to be a killer, not the whip tillering or the string off the body of the bow. Hickory will stand strong for a good bit, but those areas will collapse and compress.
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Its the two hinges that are going to be a killer, not the whip tillering or the string off the body of the bow. Hickory will stand strong for a good bit, but those areas will collapse and compress.
That's what I like the most about the "good" and "bad" Chris's.......up standing kinda of guys. I appreciate your comments on any of my bows only makes me better..............
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Yep, I agree, Chris. There are a few people in this trade that really need to think about it next year before they jump it. Get a few good bows under your belt not just a couple. It's not fair to everybody involved and also work on your schedule. If you aren't motivated enough to make the deadline don't play. With the experience you should have it shouldn't take 6 months to produce one, safe, shootable bow.
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Kelly, It looks like you have about 12" of non-bending limb coming out of each fade. You might take some scrapes off there and see if that helps the tiller any. All of your bend is concentrated in a small portion of the limb. That's not healthy for a selfbow. Wood can only handle so much stress before it fails.
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I agree with your diagnosis Clint and the suggested fix. However...by the time he removes enough wood to get the inner limbs bending properly, he's going to lose 8 to 10 pounds of draw weight. You can fix hinged inner limbs much easier and with less loss of draw weight than you can a whip tillered limb. If it wasn't for the fact that it's already past the deadline, I would suggest starting over. That not being an option, I have to suggest getting the limbs bending properly even though it will result in a grossly underweight bow. I'd rather have a durable lightweight bow than a bow at risk of folding up on me. It sucks, but that's my take on it. Josh
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I agree with your diagnosis Clint and the suggested fix. However...by the time he removes enough wood to get the inner limbs bending properly, he's going to lose 8 to 10 pounds of draw weight. You can fix hinged inner limbs much easier and with less loss of draw weight than you can a whip tillered limb. If it wasn't for the fact that it's already past the deadline, I would suggest starting over. That not being an option, I have to suggest getting the limbs bending properly even though it will result in a grossly underweight bow. I'd rather have a durable lightweight bow than a bow at risk of folding up on me. It sucks, but that's my take on it. Josh
I agree Josh, a durable lighter weight bow would be better than a heavy weight with a potential Hazzard. Something to remember about this bow trade is this, it's not a custom bow order going to a paying customer. We all have had a bow break or an oops with a draw knife or a rasp, tillers that just don't want to cooperate and glue that don't hold. That's why when I tell someone my hobby is building bows and such, I don't say I made a bow. I wouldn't be part of PA if that was true. I would have made the perfect bow and quit on the first try. And we all know that won't ever happen. Patrick
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Shootable/safe does not equate to a custom order Patrick. People in swaps simply want a bow they can shoot without concern. Does that sound like a custom order? To me its sounds realistic.
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Shootable/safe does not equate to a custom order Patrick. People in swaps simply want a bow they can shoot without concern. Does that sound like a custom order? To me its sounds realistic.
Your right Pearl. I agree 100%, I believe that we are on the same track. I was pretty much trying to say that if a bow was sent to me that was under weight but had a good tiller and shoot nice. I wouldn't care a bit. The point is that, the specs I sent was to say, this is what I would like to have. Not the way it has to be. I hope that makes sense... Patrick
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I get your point pat and agree. Point being, its a bow trade not a bow order. Do your best to make one the other guy can use, but perfectly is not a requirement.
Whip tillering... wanna fix it? Pike it. Shorten the limbs, that makes the tips stiffer, then weaken the inner limbs to take stress of the outer, and voila, you have a nice bow tiller. And you wont loose any weight.
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That will make it worse, much worse.
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Explaine please?
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If it was acceptable to my recipient I would start over. I'm truly giving my honest opinion.
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I personally would be fine with that Fred. But I don't know if Kelly has me or not. I have not received a bow yet.
Kelly, if that bow is meant to be shipped to me and you decide to start over, I'm in no hurry, just let me know. :laugh:
Patrick
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Explaine please?
I'll answer that with a few questions. How much weight will it require removing to get the inners bending properly? How much weight is gained cutting 1" off each end in its current state? Keep in mind its badly whipped, so that 1" isn't going to account for poo.
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I thought the rules were that only relatively experience bowyers could participate? This kind of makes me shy away from my wanting to participating next year
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Explaine please?
I'll answer that with a few questions. How much weight will it require removing to get the inners bending properly? How much weight is gained cutting 1" off each end in its current state? Keep in mind its badly whipped, so that 1" isn't going to account for poo.
Well, pounds gained per inch of cut, I dont know the formula... but I do know this. When a bow is piked you gain weight. You usually retiller whichnlooses much of the weight gain. I know when you cut tips down the remaining tips are stiffer than they were because less leverage is placed on them.
Without looking at the bows length, lets say on this whip tillered bow you cut 4" off assuming he has the length. That makes his formerly whipped tips now stiffer. That makes them not or not as much, whip tillered. Now his weight is up because he has less bend out there forcing the rest of the bow to bend more to make up for you the tip loss. Also, his bow is shorter at the same draw length. So that also equals more draw weight. Now he can go and retiller the fades and inner third to bring them around which further reduces how far the tips bend and makes it less whip tillered if it still was. Add heat if you need to increase draw weight add and you're done.
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Kelly, here is where I see the tiller through my eyes.
The inner limbs are not bending even close to enough and the tips are bending slightly. Piking it won't do anything except make it shorter and apply even more pressure to the limbs where they are already bending too much.
Make your adjustment from the fades out to the bends. If after that you find it's too light then you can think about removing some length.
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Thank you Fred.
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PD, your the one that taught me, Thank you.
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That wood is already damaged beyond repair. I would not spend any more time on it nor do I think giving it to some stranger is the right thing to do
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Kelly, here is where I see the tiller through my eyes.
The inner limbs are not bending even close to enough and the tips are bending slightly. Piking it won't do anything except make it shorter and apply even more pressure to the limbs where they are already bending too much.
Make your adjustment from the fades out to the bends. If after that you find it's too light then you can think about removing some length.
I see the hinging areas now that you drew the lines. I concede. If it was just a whip tiller then what I said would fix it. Still I would add heat to the bending portions to stiffen them up.
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Sleek, I've found that when I've added heat to an area the wood was already damaged it seem to weaken it more.
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Sleek, I've found that when I've added heat to an area the wood was already damaged it seem to weaken it more.
And this bows belly looks plenty toasted.
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I thought the rules were that only relatively experience bowyers could participate? This kind of makes me shy away from my wanting to participating next year
Marc, I would hope you would participate. I think I am getting better at this, but there is still much I can learn from people with your skill and experience. I am even learning from the conversation on how to fix this particular bow.
Every full-draw photo that gets commented on teaches me something. I don't trust myself to comment on tiller yet, but I form my own opinion about hinges and such and wait for someone to confirm or contradict what I think I see.
I am sure people have and will continue to slip into the bowtrade who maybe aren't ready, but the pressure of trying to do the best job possible helps to accelerate the learning process.
Thanks for what you have taught me so far, even if you didn't know you were doing it.
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I thought the rules were that only relatively experience bowyers could participate? This kind of makes me shy away from my wanting to participating next year
Marc, I would hope you would participate. I think I am getting better at this, but there is still much I can learn from people with your skill and experience. I am even learning from the conversation on how to fix this particular bow.
Every full-draw photo that gets commented on teaches me something. I don't trust myself to comment on tiller yet, but I form my own opinion about hinges and such and wait for someone to confirm or contradict what I think I see.
I am sure people have and will continue to slip into the bowtrade who maybe aren't ready, but the pressure of trying to do the best job possible helps to accelerate the learning process.
Thanks for what you have taught me so far, even if you didn't know you were doing it.
Very nicely said Jeff! I have learned a lot the same exact way. I always refer to certain members bows to look at tiller. And Marc you are one of the names on the top of my list! I believe my tillering eye is beginning to get pretty good finally. Now to go to a eye doctor and see if I need glasses. (seriously)
Patrick
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I dont know exactly what to say or what to hope for out of this situation so im just gonna state facts and let what happens happen.
I volunteered to help with make up bows. Happy I did and dont mind it and will do it again. I am working on one, maybe two depending on how things pan out. Rules state if you dont ship a bow you make you ship the one you recieve. Because I step in to fill a guy who for one reason or another ( call him X ) I should recieve the bow X recieved. I was told this by they guys running this show.
I was contacted by one of the fellas in charge saying I will receive the bow built for X from the builders of that bow because he hadn't shipped. I was told that there was a conversation between the gella running this and the builder to confirm this.
Now I have done trades with duke ( the builder ) before and he is a swell guy. But apparently he was not made aware of the change in plans before it was too late. ( this has me confused because the fella who duke is supposed to report to and such said to me that this was a done deal and I should get this bow )
Duke messaged me today after I sent him a pm. He apologized that this are how they are ( not his fault ) and he had several bows made up he just needs my stats. Of course, duke doesnt owe me a thing. How could i accept his generosity? Thats not what this is about for starters. Maybe im being a pain in the neck here but I do think that this is a messed up situation. And I appreciate duke for trying to help. I dont need a bow, Jo5h made me an outstanding onethat shoots great and I love it. Its not about me trying to be greedy and get two bows out this trade just because im making two. Its abodut a terrible lack in communication, organization, and concern for the the rules. I was promised something, and it hadnt happened. Id be fine if I wasnt told, " you get this bow now because its the rules " because I wasnt expecting anything to start with.
Now to be fair, the guy who recieved but didnt ship offered to help me with shipping cost of my make up bow. Thats mighty fine of him. I just felt the need to lay this situation out there because its rubbing me raw. I dont expect a resolution to it either. I expect to be told to be quiet and I will be about this from here on now that I said my piece.
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sleek, you are an outstanding person, we all need to step up and do better next time. I was't going to do this again, but I will because of all the people that have posted such positive comments.
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Hey guys...
I may be reading this wrong but.....
Lets give Kelly a break...I would hope he understands he jumped into something a little soon, and if I was him I would feel like I was in a big bind.
Kelly if I was you I would take the bow that you have received and pass it forward......get a little more experience and inter the bow trade at a later date....
Guys enough said...let it die.
DBar
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Hey guys...
I may be reading this wrong but.....
Lets give Kelly a break...I would hope he understands he jumped into something a little soon, and if I was him I would feel like I was in a big bind.
Kelly if I was you I would take the bow that you have received and pass it forward......get a little more experience and inter the bow trade at a later date....
Guys enough said...let it die.
DBar
That's the best thing said in the last couple pages of this post
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I'm just wondering if I'm going to receive a bow in this trade?
I have had no word either way....
I think DBar is right, I hope Kelly doesn't think he is being singled out. Patrick
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KellyG at least has the balls to show exactly whats going on late or not and the fortitude to carry on and the humbleness to ask for help. Heck of a guy.
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Yep..... it's the silent ones the get to me the most.............
PM me Kelly any time if you need help... :) ;)
DBar
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This year is a mess, lol. I'll still be in next year. It till get me making bows. And in the long run that's what counts.
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Sometimes I think we.... and I'm guilty sometimes too....we need to use the PM more often to the help the inexperience instead of posting on the thread.....JIMHO
DBar
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Enough..........
Lets see some bows you guys have received!!!!!! That's what is all about ! ;D ;D ;)
DBar
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Well said Dbar lets see some bows
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Geeze if I wanted to hear endless b****ing I can just go bicker with my wife ... When will it end lol
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We have 3 that have yet to ship by my records. Kelly G, who is making a go of it, and I thank him for, Wildkatt and Huisme. Wildkatt has messaged me and said he was behind. Huisme is a ghost. Haven't heard from him in a week. Didn't answer when I called and left a message last night. He WAS logged in last night. To me that looks like he is avoiding the duties he signed up for. Call me the bad guy, I don't really care what anyone thinks. The people who have a right to be pissed in the trade this year have been silent about it. It too bad we all couldn't learn from them before hand.
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Jojo you sure stay on top of things and are good at saying whats needed. I sure appreciate you taking initiative.
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Thanks for the update Jojo. Patrick
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It's unfortunate that there are some loose ends here. I've only done the trade for 2 years so I'm still very inexperienced in the trade goings-on. I really like Kelly posting his bow. It shows he's making an effort to do a good job and asking for advice. I would rather have something that didn't perform as well that was posted a few times and was a legitimate best effort rather than something that arrives without posts that represents a lackluster effort. I almost think that posting at all points of the build should be mandatory.
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Ok I have weight left on this bow So I am not worried. I will take more off to get the inner bending more. I have the lenght to make up some weight if I need too. I use a gizmo to tiller. But I trust the eye of those who have built hundreds more then I.
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Dang, I come on here expecting to read up on some good bickering and B!+*%!^& and this is what I get, everyone being nice. ??? :o what's up with that. :-\ ;) :) :) Way to go KellyG all that can be ask is if someone does there best and you all filling that bill. :)
Pappy
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Well I guess this will be a learning experience for Kelly. To be fair, he does have a fairly smooth bend where the limbs are bending, even though there are a couples small hinges in the left limb, it's just that it's concentrated in too small of an area
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Dang, I come on here expecting to read up on some good bickering and B!+*%!^& and this is what I get, everyone being nice. ??? :o what's up with that. :-\ ;) :) :) Way to go KellyG all that can be ask is if someone does there best and you all filling that bill. :)
Pappy
Some of us get a little heated. It happens when people are passionate about things. This is a great group of humans. As Patrick said, we are like a family. We will get through this, and we will hopefully all learn something from it. I know I have. Every lesson I get for free in life that doesn't end with me in jail is a welcome one!
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Kelly, thanks for posting this build. You will learn more from this than anything you could accomplish on your own. This is a good example of how all new builders should proceed especially when being involved in a bow trade.
If everyone would follow this example there would be very few problems with the trade.
And I agree with bubbles!!!
" I almost think that posting at all points of the build should be mandatory."
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And I agree with bubbles!!!
" I almost think that posting at all points of the build should be mandatory."
+1 ...and those that failed to check in at the agreed upon intervals could be preemptively dropped from the trade and forestall all of this last minute angst and pain folks are dealing with right now.
OneBow
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^ what he said.
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I personally wont participate if a list of rules grows longer than the list of participants. I like the bow trade but find personal trades more and more appealing. I dont like following rules created because of other's incompetence. Just my thoughts.
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I personally wont participate if a list of rules grows longer than the list of participants. I like the bow trade but find personal trades more and more appealing. I dont like following rules created because of other's incompetence. Just my thoughts.
Totally understand.
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And I agree with bubbles!!!
" I almost think that posting at all points of the build should be mandatory."
+1 ...and those that failed to check in at the agreed upon intervals could be preemptively dropped from the trade and forestall all of this last minute angst and pain folks are dealing with right now.
OneBow
+1
I personally wont participate if a list of rules grows longer than the list of participants. I like the bow trade but find personal trades more and more appealing. I dont like following rules created because of other's incompetence. Just my thoughts.
Totally understand.
I understand as well! Patrick
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Huisme Received from Blob
tatoo dave Sent, Received from Blaflair2
J05H Sent, Received from JonW
Blaflair2 Sent, Received from Jojodapyro
JonW Sent, Received from Gaur
jeffp51 Sent, Received from Mikekestwick
Blob Sent, Bow in process
Steelslinger Sent, Received from Jeffp51
pincushin Sent, Received from E. Jensen
Bubbles Sent, Recived from Neolithicman
JoJoDapyro Sent
wizardgoat Sent, Recived from Bushboy
E. Jensen Sent, Recived from Tattoo Dave
Drewster Sent, Received from Mo_coon-catcher
duke3192 Sent, Recived from Bubbles
Wildkatt Recived from Hunterbob
Guar Sent, Recived from Steelslinger
NeolithicMan Sent, Recived from Accipiter
lebhuntfish Sent
mikekeswick Sent Recived from Chadwick
Mo_coon-catcher Sent
hunterbob Sent, Recived from lebhuntfish
bushboy Sent, Recived from wizardgoat
Auggie Dropped out?
Renacs Dropped out Received from Duke3192
Chadwick Sent, Received from Sleek
Accipiter Sent, Received from Drewster
Sleek Sent, Received from J05h
So it is looking like we have 3 shippers and receivers. If my list is wrong please let me know. i just went through SO MANY pages of posts!
modified to add Sleek, and to show Renacs recieved.
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Jon, it wouldn't bother me to post progress because I need all the help I can get. And I wasn't referring to the longtime members and builders. I'm referring to all of us newbies. Just because we have 1000 posts doesn't mean some of us don't require a little advice and nudge once in a :)while.
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No worries Fred. I was just saying. If others want and agree with those stipulations that's cool. The trade is for people that want to participate.
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I think it would go a long way towards the main purpose of the trade, creating more of a sense of community with everybody having to post their bow at various stages amd make comments. That's always a huge help for newbies to see all types of different bows being posted and critiqued and to have it done to their own bows. Like everybody says, it's not just about giving and receiving a bow. Half of it is the process of getting to the finished bow with everybody helping along the way.
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Huisme was on again last night, still no word. I have a sneaking suspicion that someone(s) may be avoiding me. I was unavailable last night to call him, but I will try again tonight. So far I have unanswered messages from Mo_Coon-catcher, Huisme, and Steelslinger. At least give me the common decency to say **** you. >:D As the last ones to receive a bow are not on my list, I don't know what the full story is. Mo_coon-catcher and Patrick deserve to at least know they are going to get a bow sent eventually. As my end of the trade with Blaflair2 is still technically open, I am not as worried about me.
Huisme, Please respond to the messages that have been sent to you. There is NO excuse to not at least message me and let me know what the issue is.
Steelslinger, Have you heard from any of your list? Or is your list complete?
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So one of the guys who volunteered to help run the trade is MIA and didn't send a bow?
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Patrick... you brought this on yourself. You intimidated every one with your fury and now no one feels worthy. ;)
Mo-coon.... if needed I think I may have a stave I can work on for you after im done making blobs make up bow. Shouldnt take long, im pretty quick with the ole KaBar.
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So one of the guys who volunteered to help run the trade is MIA and didn't send a bow?
Must be too busy filling all his custom order 50" black locust mollys. Real bummer when people prove how selfish they really are
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So one of the guys who volunteered to help run the trade is MIA and didn't send a bow?
Must be too busy filling all his custom order 50" black locust mollys. Real bummer when people prove how selfish they really are
I really hope something has happened, but as he has logged in about every two days i'm not real confident in that. :(
He was the one to start the trade process this year, the least he can do is see it to fruition.
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He must have a big family to take "orders" from, nobody looking for a real self bow would pay .50 cents for those over stressed under built disposal bows.
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Come on, seriously? How exactly is the above helping anything?
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(http://i1378.photobucket.com/albums/ah116/jamesbowyer891/F39F10D2-DD2C-49CB-A734-5605C4C4A798_zpsg03b9hhc.jpg) (http://s1378.photobucket.com/user/jamesbowyer891/media/F39F10D2-DD2C-49CB-A734-5605C4C4A798_zpsg03b9hhc.jpg.html)
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So one of the guys who volunteered to help run the trade is MIA and didn't send a bow?
You hit the nail on the head Clint. Won't return phone calls either.
Sleek, they better chill out or I'll have to make another one! Patrick
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I agree Sleek. i am as upset as anyone about the lack of communication going on, but attacks aren't necessary. If he has your business and you are happy with it, that is all that matters. word gets around about bad products, and they will be improved or fade away.
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Let he with no sin on his soul cast the first stone.
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Let he with no sin on his soul cast the first stone.
Careful there! Guys around here generally knap the stone into a razor sharp point first and then fletch it to a river cane shaft before casting it. Those devices have been known to be lethal in previously conducted animal experiments as well as a few historical human trials I'm told.
OneBow
:o 8) >:D >:D >:D :-X
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He will talk now.
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He will talk now.
I sent another email to him asking him to chime in. There are issues that come up, and I understand those, but outright avoidance tells a story.
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You can keep sending him flowers hoping for him to do the right thing, or, you can go kick the door in.
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Looks like he is avoiding this trade more than a full draw picture.
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Like a two year old hiding in the corner with a poopy diaper, all they have to do is ask for help
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Looks like he is avoiding this trade more than a full draw picture.
OUCH! I think that one made me laugh hard enough to strain my bladder control muscles!!! >:( :P :-\
OneBow
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I just called his mom haha, so at least we know he is alive and well.
He was at work, but she said he'll be home around 3 or 4.
I thought I posted pics of my bushboy bow, but I guess it was another thread.
Me and bushboy made bows for each other, and we're both very happy with what we've got.
He even called me up to say thank you, it really is a pleasure for me to make a yew bow
for someone who authenticity appreciates it.
I'd love to do this trade again, but now see why so many guys don't.
I think one of the pre requisites should be that you have to have shared at least
3 bows, including unbraced, braced, and FULL DRAW.
I like the idea that everyone shares some pics of their bow in progress
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Damn..this thread has had me eating some of the best popcorn ive had in awhile. ..been going for a week+ now...i think ive gained some weight in the last week :laugh:
Edit...y'all have a nice holiday weekend and ill catch up to all this non sense tuesday..me...im heading to backwoods middle of nowhere west virginia >:D
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Hi fellas seems to be that huisme is getting to be as distant as me
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Looks like I've missed some chit while I was gone
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Tyke, you back? Good to see you.
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What did I look like?
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What did I look like?
A small Hotdog!
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What was he doing looking in my bathroom window
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Don't know why steelslinger was on your list. I got a real nice vine maple how from him. His work is done
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Hi fellas seems to be that huisme is getting to be as distant as me
I just figured that you finally proved the earth to be flat and feel of the edge!
Patrick
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Don't know why steelslinger was on your list. I got a real nice vine maple how from him. His work is done
Let me fix it, I do have him as sent. If I don't i apologize.
He is marked as sent and received. He is mentioned because he is a trade runner, and I haven't heard from him. I need to figure out who has who so we can end this trade. I can see a few days, I can see a week. I can even see a month if the guy you are building for knows that you are working on the bow. We are at 19 days. 3 people have yet to receive. One sender is a trade runner, a fact that he has bragged about on his facebook page, yet I am having to attempt 3 different forms of contact, 4 if you include sending him a friend request on Facebook.
Steelslinger has Shipped, that isn't the issue, we have people who haven't gotten a bow, and he is another trade runner.
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Don't know why steelslinger was on your list. I got a real nice vine maple how from him. His work is done
Your absolutely right, that was some time ago. I remember now you posting this in a separate thread.
Jojo he is right, steelslinger sent a beautiful bow to Gaur. Patrick
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Let me clarify, Neither Mo-coon-catcher nor Lebhuntfish were on my list. In the spirit of the trade I am still fretting over where their bows are. Whoever their trade leader was should be beating the brush to flush out the people who haven't sent and why. Sadly I have a feeling that the non shipping/posting one is the same guy. And in Steelslingers defense, he did say he would help in a smaller capacity if i remember correctly.
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Don't add a bunch of stipulations about who can and cannot join, just have senders send all bows to one (trusted and known) individual. There is a deadline at which point the one guy has all bows in hand and can make sure that those who sent bows in in turn get one. Those who didn't don't. The one issue would be shipping the bows twice, but I think that that could be worked around.
SOM
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Don't add a bunch of stipulations about who can and cannot join, just have senders send all bows to one (trusted and known) individual. There is a deadline at which point the one guy has all bows in hand and can make sure that those who sent bows in in turn get one. Those who didn't don't. The one issue would be shipping the bows twice, but I think that that could be worked around.
SOM
That adds a heavy burden to people shipping. How about know that you might get something you don't like? I know (sort of) the issue with one of the trade bows. There are several that have been deemed garbage. Yet to my knowledge no one has had the balls to let their sender know what the issue was. Man up and let your sender know. So instead of the person sending a bow that they assume their guy likes, they know what issues to work on for the next time.
There have been mentions of the bow posts with a lot of views and few comments, and that those are the bad bows. How about someone points out what the issues are? Pearly is great with this, he rarely pulls punches. I like that! Not many people got good at something without falling on their faces.
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Yes shipping goes up. I see the bigger issue with people not sending anything out, not with people sending out bows that are substandard quality-we all had to start somewhere and the community here is generally helpful. Even saying that something looks like crap, and here is why, is helpful. The bigger issue is taking someone for a ride and trying to get something for free, and having a middleman is the best way I can see that solve that. I have no horse in the race, I am not trying to argue any given point really, so take the opinion for as little as it is worth. It would avoid the situation where a guy gets a nice bow that someone spent hours on never intending to send anything out himself.
SOM
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If I run it next year it will be simple, and, invitational.
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By invite only huh? Thats an interesting thought....
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Well,, what do you think? no bickering and everybody knows who you are dealing with and maybe some real, good eye candy , and an article for the Magazine.
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I like the idea honestly. But isn't that what we did this time? New guys had to be vetted by trusted folks on here who knew them? And honestly it seems its some of the more familiar guys who didnt come through this go around.
Now I dont know if this can be enforced but personally, if I vouched for a guy and he flakes, id take personal responsibility and make up for his end. But thats just me. If everyone were like that there would be less problems.
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If I run it next year it will be simple, and, invitational.
I like that idea Mullet.
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That is a giod plan Eddie
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I wouldn't have a problem with an invitation only bow trade. Here is the issue I see with this years trade, sorry if I recover points I had already covered.
1. Some of the people on the list weren't on the First posted list. Did they not follow the rules of the trade and message their info and post on the signup page?
2. We have a whole lot of crying and complaining about bows that have one flaw or another, with no photographic proof of said flaws.
That creates some issues. First is that then more than likely the person that received a "bad" bow is going to hold a grudge against someone who will not know, and if they do will not know why. Second, the sender then never gets to attempt to make things right.
3. There is a chance that the person who gets a bow cries wolf to get a second bow.
4. The person who gets a "Flawed" bow send messages to other members about how bad of a product someone makes, and ruins someones reputation with the group as a whole.
5. Someone gets a "Flawed" bow and decides at that point that they aren't going to send. Just so everyone is aware, that is fraud.
6. People having unreal expectations of what this trade is about. It was supposed to be about a good time, and building a community. It ended up with people getting pissed because they didn't get the bow from Mike Kestwick, Hunter Bob, or Patrick. It has in fact soured my otherwise very high opinion of some of the members of the community. I am sure it did the same to others. If you received a bad bow you owe it to your sender to let them make it right. If you don't let them know that they sent you a flawed bow, how will they know what to improve next time?
7. People who get into the trade and don't know what they are getting into. Both members running the show, and people building.
I can think of one member that put his very essence into his bow, in the process I think JeffP51 went through A-E before he got one he was proud to put his name on.
In the end it has been extremely taxing to babysit supposedly grown men. It has been taxing to worry about a tainted reputation. I have exchanged well over 100 private messages throughout this trade, I wish I had saved them all. The back biting needs to stop and people need to be adults about being disappointed.
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Im disappointed that nobody was disappointed about receiving a bow from me like the were from mike, hunter bob, and patrick :( >:D Yeah, im that guy..... the one who cuts up in class....
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I manned up and let my sender know the issues I had with his bow. Otherwise the message will get out that you can do a lackluster job and it's okay. I checked out some of the bows he posted in the past and this was below his standard. Id rather not mention who it is for the exact reason that I don't want to ruin somebody's reputation on the site. Hopefully he'll get the idea to put a better effort in next year. I dont want somebody else to make me a make up bow or anything like that, thats not what it is about. I want a decent effort from whoever signed up and committed to the trade.
Instead of a middleman, why not a no ship policy until Aug 15th at which point pics of the finished bows would be sent in and you woukd get a shipping confirmation from the organizer. Anybody who doesnt make the deadline doesnt get a bow, and anybody whose shipper didnt come through gets matched up which one that is close to their specs as possible. You would still make a bow for a specific person, but there just would be some juggling by the organizers at the shipping date to make sure you get a bow as close to your stated specs as possible.
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Hey.... I like that idea. Dont ship until the folks running it or the participants say its good to ship. Then and only then will you get the address to ship to. And the ship on date is brilliant. I think you should post a finished bow by a certain date or you dont receive either....special exceptions can of course be made but with 6 months to build, seriously.
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I edited my previous post a touch, but the idea is the same.
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Bubbles, I do like that idea. I really like Mullets invitational too.
I'd be into helping for next year based off either of these.
Maybe even a combination of both?
Also, probably not mentioned enough, thank you Jojo for running this and picking up others slack.
Bit of a gong show, but it was out of your hands. I personally had an awesome experience. Cheers
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I was bummed I joined the site after this year's trade was already underway and didn't get to participate. I think it was probably better that I missed this one. I could use another year of practice. I'm fairly new to building(1.5 yrs.), but it occupies all my free time and am impressed with with my progress. I am looking forward to getting involved in the next one. I can make a decent bow, but will it impress a professional builder with 30 yrs of experience? That concern can be wonderful inspiration or stressful enough to run to mexico and change your name.
Maybe dividing the trade into two groups might be a possible solution to some of the current issues. While I would love to receive a bow built by one of the master builders around here, I know that there's no way I can produce a bow that artful and polished... yet ;). If there was a beginner's group and a veteran's one it would be easier to distinguish if someone intentionally cut corners and keep the trades more equal. The division might not even have to be based on skill level. There could be a "stock" class and a "modified" class or something along those lines. I know if I built a good shooting bow or not, but beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
The invitational is a really cool idea, but I don't think it should replace the current trade. It could be an additional trade that runs opposite of the open registration trade. After a member proves himself in the open trade he gets his invite for the off season trade. Further motivation to give it your all.
On a side note: Even when people are upset around here it's hard to tell. Compared to the rest of the internet, this site has some class. The member's here are very mindful of what they say in public, and more importantly how they say it. This is the only message forum where I still participate. Thanks for that everyone.
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Its too bad there has to be 3 pages of discussion regarding the best way to get effort out of entrants. The ol' 80/20 rule in effect. 80% of the rules apply to 20% of the entrants.
I keep reading about how this is meant to make people better, to push the envelope, to create the best bow they can and so on. Yet for years running I see the same people make the same hinges and frets. Get better if that is what this is about or walk away!
Eddie's idea is the only valid idea I've read. Holding 50-60 bows is unrealistic and expensive. Just to try and prevent dead beats from being who they are. Eliminate them rather.
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Mo_coon-catcher texted me. Thanks Kevin.
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So mo coon has received and doesnt need a make up bow?
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huisme posted this on another site 11 days ago... hmmmm
https://www.reddit.com/r/locustbows/comments/3idsuz/yes_im_still_alive_and_building_but_my_computer/
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So, what gives then? Im always willing to give benefit of the doubt. Bu im confused here.
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He can get on reddit but not PA? He is avoiding and attempting to save face. It's all a bunch of bullshit.
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huisme posted this on another site 11 days ago... hmmmm
https://www.reddit.com/r/locustbows/comments/3idsuz/yes_im_still_alive_and_building_but_my_computer/
He can get on reddit but not PA? He is avoiding and attempting to save face. It's all a bunch of bullshit.
>:D >:D >:D !!!
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So one of the guys who volunteered to help run the trade is MIA and didn't send a bow?
Ain't the first time. Bevan Richards from Nebraska pulled the same stunt when he ran his Bow Trade.
I enjoyed almost everything of the trade I ran in cooperation with Bowman53. But I also found that a very few defaulters can seriously tax a person's patience.
I believe that prior trade runners need to create a "Chief's Council" that they are required to sit on for a period of years afterwards and they can veto names of defaulters and whiners. And secondly, ONE PERSON RUNS THE TRADE. Yes it is more work, but there is no missed communications and less is likely to fall thru the cracks. And all private messages should be saved. How that would work, I do not know considering the limited storage space under a username. And lastly, I wonder if the trade runner should be anonymous, allowing this person to be a hardcase.
My two cents.
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Brillian! And instead of pms, have an email that the password gets passed down to each head honcho each year.
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When i ran the xmas trades i saved pms by printing them out
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So one of the guys who volunteered to help run the trade is MIA and didn't send a bow?
Ain't the first time. Bevan Richards from Nebraska pulled the same stunt when he ran his Bow Trade.
I enjoyed almost everything of the trade I ran in cooperation with Bowman53. But I also found that a very few defaulters can seriously tax a person's patience.
I believe that prior trade runners need to create a "Chief's Council" that they are required to sit on for a period of years afterwards and they can veto names of defaulters and whiners. And secondly, ONE PERSON RUNS THE TRADE. Yes it is more work, but there is no missed communications and less is likely to fall thru the cracks. And all private messages should be saved. How that would work, I do not know considering the limited storage space under a username. And lastly, I wonder if the trade runner should be anonymous, allowing this person to be a hardcase.
My two cents.
A stroke of genius!
JW, I didn't know you had it in ya!
Anonymous is simple, he is selected privately through pms from PA moderators. If they would help out a touch. Then the officiater creates a blank user profile using "BOWTRADE " every year. The password will be passed back to the moderators after the close of the trade. This way it can be passed on to the next year's officiant. The official can participate in the trade as long as he uses his normal login for regular communication. What do you think? Patrick
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Even a blind nut finds a squirrel now and then.
So one of the guys who volunteered to help run the trade is MIA and didn't send a bow?
Ain't the first time. Bevan Richards from Nebraska pulled the same stunt when he ran his Bow Trade.
I enjoyed almost everything of the trade I ran in cooperation with Bowman53. But I also found that a very few defaulters can seriously tax a person's patience.
I believe that prior trade runners need to create a "Chief's Council" that they are required to sit on for a period of years afterwards and they can veto names of defaulters and whiners. And secondly, ONE PERSON RUNS THE TRADE. Yes it is more work, but there is no missed communications and less is likely to fall thru the cracks. And all private messages should be saved. How that would work, I do not know considering the limited storage space under a username. And lastly, I wonder if the trade runner should be anonymous, allowing this person to be a hardcase.
My two cents.
A stroke of genius!
JW, I didn't know you had it in ya!
Anonymous is simple, he is selected privately through pms from PA moderators. If they would help out a touch. Then the officiater creates a blank user profile using "BOWTRADE " every year. The password will be passed back to the moderators after the close of the trade. This way it can be passed on to the next year's officiant. The official can participate in the trade as long as he uses his normal login for regular communication. What do you think? Patrick
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How is that going to make the jerks fulfill their end of the trade? Keeping the trade runner secret won't help that any. There will still be guys that receive a bow and disappear.
At the end of each trade I would like to see the list of the dead beats posted. Air the dirty laundry. I sure wouldn't want to do a trade with a guy who was on that list. They signed up in a public trade forum. If they don't send a bow their name should be posted as more or less a thief at the end. I don't understand why they haven't been posted in the past. We don't want to hurt their feelings or what?
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I agree with Clint. Aside from the Good Dealings sticky, there should be a Bad Dealings
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That makes a LOT of sense as well! I agree 2! Patrick
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I am not that sure about a bad dealings sticky. I think it would just lead to bad feelings and maybe some premature and unfair judgements. I still have a trade outstanding that I sent out several months ago. It still think the guy is a straight up guy and will come through at some point. I don't think that calling him out would be helpful for anyone, or for the tone of this forum, which is generally positive.
Same goes for the bow trade. Keep a list of deadbeats that can be passed on, but let's focus on the 80% that went well.
And Patrick totally deserves to get a really nice bow. Some of you offered to square me away if it didn't work out for me--I think it would be very nice if someone could set him up instead. That was maybe the nicest bow of the trade he gave away (except for the one I got, of course).
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Ummmm that would be me Jeff. I am terribly sorry for taking forever. I made a deal and didnt make sure I actually had what I was offering. My buddy has all the feathers I though I had ( I lived with him for a bit when I lost my job so our archery stuff got all mixed up. He thinks they are his, I know otherwise but feathers aint worth an argument. )
So I made a trade a few days ago with another guy who has the feathers I thought I had and he will be sending them to you when he gets back in town next week. Sorry again to have taken so long and thanks for being cool about it. I actually sleep with the box you sent with your address next to my pillow so I think about it every night.
Now if I can just remember who I traded some skins for a bow drill set..... my messages are gone along with my memory.
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Oh, and if pats guy doesnt come through, pats gonna get the bow of a lifetime from me. One like I myself have never even built. He will be happy his guy flaked if this bow comes out like I envision it. I have a stave I have looked for for years sitting in my bow room and will probably never find again. Just waiting on the right moment to build it.
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I like the idea of one guy running it with an iron fist. After the drama that's been happening over the last few years I don't think there should be any shame in telling people no they cannot join. Honestly I think this is Probably the best thing that could have happened because it's forcing everyone to acknowledge the drama that can happen. It's really too bad that all this negativity has taken away from some of the beautiful work guys have done for this trade. It would be really nice to see a trade that goes by with no drama. And of course there will be problems but if people are honest and upfront that solves any drama that can happen
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Sleek, that is exactly what I meant. I know you are good for it, and I wasn't going to give names. To be honest, I would rather think of my contribution to a trade as a gift than feel ripped off and feel bitter about it. It is easier to just move on--although I spent part of the day today straightening apple shoots for arrows, so the feathers will come in handy. :D
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I know you werent gonna give names, but I wasnt gonna hide in the shadows either.
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Wow, step away for one second...
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I'm not in the trade, just an innocent bystander who just realized that I don't have the temperament it takes to be part of one. Jeff; you and Patrick (and some others, I'm sure) must have the trust and patience of saints. Honestly, if I had put in the time and effort it takes to make a superb bow, I would be beyond pissed that the guy who had my name wouldn't at least try to do the same for me. Glad to belong to a forum that has people of your caliber on it.
And no, I'm not interested in getting into next year's trade no matter how much everyone begs me to. I will not be moved. ;D ;)
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I am not that sure about a bad dealings sticky. I think it would just lead to bad feelings and maybe some premature and unfair judgements. I still have a trade outstanding that I sent out several months ago. It still think the guy is a straight up guy and will come through at some point. I don't think that calling him out would be helpful for anyone, or for the tone of this forum, which is generally positive.
Same goes for the bow trade. Keep a list of deadbeats that can be passed on, but let's focus on the 80% that went well.
And Patrick totally deserves to get a really nice bow. Some of you offered to square me away if it didn't work out for me--I think it would be very nice if someone could set him up instead. That was maybe the nicest bow of the trade he gave away (except for the one I got, of course).
Jeff, that is one of the most gracious and unselfish thing that was ever said about me on here. Thank you so very much. If I can ever do anything for you, don't even hesitate to ask me. You are top notch sir, top notch.
As soon as I get home, you will have a box of feathers headed your way. Patrick
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You know, I read that a few times and I cant make out if you ( jeff ) need help with making or receiving a bow. Whick confuses me even more because I thought you had done both. If your lacking a bow let me know.
Pat, thanks for the help on the feathers. Retarded situation I know, but I find myself in it. Ill get you back next weekend.
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And by the way, the fun here is over. Honestly. If you are making a bow and want to surprise you guy with one, I think he would be happy to just here from you by now, as right now he has to think he got screwed and thats not a feeling anyone wants to carry on. So if you have a bow you havent shipped, you should speak In a pm to your fellow.
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I am not that sure about a bad dealings sticky. I think it would just lead to bad feelings and maybe some premature and unfair judgements. I still have a trade outstanding that I sent out several months ago. It still think the guy is a straight up guy and will come through at some point. I don't think that calling him out would be helpful for anyone, or for the tone of this forum, which is generally positive.
Same goes for the bow trade. Keep a list of deadbeats that can be passed on, but let's focus on the 80% that went well.
And Patrick totally deserves to get a really nice bow. Some of you offered to square me away if it didn't work out for me--I think it would be very nice if someone could set him up instead. That was maybe the nicest bow of the trade he gave away (except for the one I got, of course).
yes Patrick better receive a great bow for the one he made and shipper out. If he doesn't I have a feeling someone will step up and if they don't I am going to get busy and make him one myself.
Thanks again Patrick . I know I feel like I got the best bow this year. I cant stop shooting it. And you poured your heart and soul into the fury. And you deserve the same out of your guy also.
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I manned up and let my sender know the issues I had with his bow. Otherwise the message will get out that you can do a lackluster job and it's okay. I checked out some of the bows he posted in the past and this was below his standard. Id rather not mention who it is for the exact reason that I don't want to ruin somebody's reputation on the site. Hopefully he'll get the idea to put a better effort in next year. I dont want somebody else to make me a make up bow or anything like that, thats not what it is about. I want a decent effort from whoever signed up and committed to the trade.
Instead of a middleman, why not a no ship policy until Aug 15th at which point pics of the finished bows would be sent in and you woukd get a shipping confirmation from the organizer. Anybody who doesnt make the deadline doesnt get a bow, and anybody whose shipper didnt come through gets matched up which one that is close to their specs as possible. You would still make a bow for a specific person, but there just would be some juggling by the organizers at the shipping date to make sure you get a bow as close to your stated specs as possible.
I like this idea. Honestly, I haven't read through all the discussion but this seems straight forward and simple to maintain.
Also, rather than being in a race to be done first, it would relax things a bit and if the more experienced guys get done sooner they could lend advice to the rest in the process.
Y'all keep it simple, keep it civil.
Doobs ;)
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You know, I read that a few times and I cant make out if you ( jeff ) need help with making or receiving a bow. Whick confuses me even more because I thought you had done both. If your lacking a bow let me know.
Pat, thanks for the help on the feathers. Retarded situation I know, but I find myself in it. Ill get you back next weekend.
Sleek, I both made and received a bow, but there was a delay - probably because it came from overseas. In between there was some question and a couple of people offered to make one for me. In the end that wasn't necessary.
Pat- someday I may need to trade for some Osage. I'll let you know-you do live in that part of the country, don't you?
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Absolutely Jeff, just let me know when. I literally drive by Osage trees on a daily basis. Do you need me to send some with the feathers? Patrick
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That's not necessary, but thanks for offering. I would love to set up a trade at some point, though.
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For everybody that wants "Dead Beats" names posted for everybody to read, it will not happen. These trades are on whomever feels like starting them. I have a list for the last three years of whiners and people that are late everytime and No Shows. All you have to do is PM me. And the organizers can send me the names and I will add them to the list.
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Well, all I need to know is this. KellyG, are you able to come through on this bow or are you starting over? Let us know please, no shame. But it looks like either jojo or Patrick is getting screwed and I need to start on a bow for one of them or both. Please let me know.
Well add mo-coon catcher to that, didnt realize he hadnt recieved. So I need to know for sure so make up bows can be made and sent.
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The answer for me is a simple one for the dead beats. Their name will be sent to Bad Archery Traders of the world on Facebook. The page runners there will distribute their names and Pseudonyms to all archery related trade pages on Facebook. They will officially be hobbled until they make good on their end of the deal. Still no word from Huisme. Tomorrow I'll call until I talk to him or his mom gets tired of me calling. Kid gloves are about to come off!
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That's what I do, Joe. I had to threaten to get on a plane and knock on a Dead beat's door to get a Bear collectable he owed me, once. Got it a few days later. As far as printing the names, we can't. That's one of the agreements Primitive Archer stipulated. If I have the names you can PM me and I'll tell you, though.
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Mullet, your welcome any time at my place but good Lord thats s nocking I wouldn't want at my door!
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Wow!
You go hunting for 10 days and the place blows up. I have had no real cell service for the last 10 days so hence the lack of communication. I have seen the bow that huisme is calling the trade bow and it is finished, I am not sure what it has not shipped. Granted the bow was not posted here, but a little facebook stalking turned up what he was calling his trade bow.
I have asked rencacs to forward the bow he received from duke to sleek, but he is out of his state so he was going to have one of his family member do it for him.
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Well thanks steelslinger. Honestly I had given up on that. Its either way now. Thanks for trying to get stuff done. Id sure like to see huisme ship his bow, it would restore faith.
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Well for what it's worth I had a good experience. The bow I got I will treasure forever just like the one I got last year KellyG hasn't told me what he thought of my bow.... I still don't know if he has seen it yet... But it was the best primitive bow I've built to date. That's why the trade should stay open because it allows young bow makers like me to push ourselves to make the best bows we can. If the trade become invite only quiet guys like me could that don't have a lot of notability on the site wouldn't be included. Last year was my first trade I was not let in when I first asked gun doc vouched for me from the grace of his heart so I was let in and made tatto Dave a cool shortie and got a yew elb from duspachoscristos (I know that is probbly misspelled)but it let be part of a community here so if there is no trade next year that will really stink because i won't have to try and make my very best and top everything I've made before.
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Pin, glad you got in and its nice to have you as a participating member in the community. There will be a trade next year, if not, I will trade with you, if you think I make anything worth having that is....
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Pin, if for some reason the trade dosent work out next year. I'll definitely trade with you. All I need is stats and an address.
Just let me know Jeff!
Mullet, you are welcome at my house any time as well. I think the bad trade post idea was a way for some of us to express our frustrations.
Patrick
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Pincushin, when you applied to be in the trade last year, your bows were definitely not up to snuff. Between the two of us running the trade, I was the one that was the most hesitant to include you. But you knocked a couple out quick and there was a real improvement in your work. The one thing I could never fault you over was your passion for makin' bows!
For that matter, I still can't spell doulochrisosupercallifragiliciousexpiallidocious's name either. But he sure makes a nice bow, don't he?
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Thanks jw that means a lot
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I think there is a place for those who flake out on trades to be known. Perhaps it is a person to person information exchange.
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For that matter, I still can't spell doulochrisosupercallifragiliciousexpiallidocious's name either. But he sure makes a nice bow, don't he?
In deed he (Doulos Para Christos) - slave of Christ I think - does make a GREAT bow. I have one I still shoot from his line from the Red Oak Bow Trade a few years back. It is a favorite of mine.
...and just to connect to the context of the conversation, perhaps one positive technique we could use rather than a List of Shame posting would be a List of Fame posting. Surely that'd be OK with the PA site staff. Maybe... I actually think human nature is kinda working against us here to some degree, no matter what we try to do to remedy things.
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Most of the low life's get ran out of here. I know bad Chris and I weren't nice to a few hosers last year. Haven't seen them since, notta' once.
I watch all the trade sign ups like a hawk, if I see a loser on the list I'll send a PM to the facilitator.
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Most of the low life's get ran out of here. I know bad Chris and I weren't nice to a few hosers last year. Haven't seen them since, notta' once.
I watch all the trade sign ups like a hawk, if I see a loser on the list I'll send a PM to the facilitator.
You guy's wasn't nice to me when I first started. But I'm still around! >:D Maybe it's because I sucked at making bows when I started. Na, couldn't be! >:D
I really appreciate the effort that you put into this site. As well as several others. I know I have been warned about trading with certain people. But always privately through pms. I watch all the trade transactions that I can.
One thing I do when trading with someone new is to ask them to send their item first. And then take a picture of the tracking info and send it to me before I will drop my end in the mail. I haven't done a bunch of trading online but all of the ones I have traded with so far have been great. With the exception of this bow trade.
I guess whoever has my name is a gutless yellow belly sap sucker. I'm done with this 2015 bow trade!
Patrick
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And the Fury was born a year later. See, it worked Patrick! Tough love is the only love :)
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Mean and honest are two completely different beasts. Honest can sometimes hurt more than mean, but helps more than being kind and skirting the issue.
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And the Fury was born a year later. See, it worked Patrick! Tough love is the only love :)
Tour right buddy, just like the Marines! Knock you down just to prove to yourself how much better you are when you get back up!
By the way, I'm still shooting that bow that had the bad whoopty-doo out of the fade that you and PatB helped me with. I'm hunting with it. Patrick
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Is someone stepping up to make Patrick a bow. Since his guy must not be?
Patrick poured his hear into his trade bow for me and I will start one and do the same for him. He deserves better than a dead beat trader. I heard they had some people like blackhawk that is willing to make a back up bow if need be. Well if everything falls through I will dig through my wood pile and get started on a bow for Patrick.
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Patrick, looks like you have your pic of bowyers bud! I was hoping you would get one from who drew your name, and from the looks of it, nobody knows who it is that got your name. I said earlier id make you one. If you can stand my risky off tillered bows that is?
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Is someone stepping up to make Patrick a bow. Since his guy must not be?
Patrick poured his hear into his trade bow for me and I will start one and do the same for him. He deserves better than a dead beat trader. I heard they had some people like blackhawk that is willing to make a back up bow if need be. Well if everything falls through I will dig through my wood pile and get started on a bow for Patrick.
Patrick, looks like you have your pic of bowyers bud! I was hoping you would get one from who drew your name, and from the looks of it, nobody knows who it is that got your name. I said earlier id make you one. If you can stand my risky off tillered bows that is?
Guys I really appreciate it, really I do! But let's not forget that I'm not the only person that didn't get a bow in this trade. I know that JoJoDapyro and myself haven't received yet but I thought there was one more.
I would be happy though if someone was willing to make me a bow, as that is one of the reasons I got in this trade, to get a bow from another bowyer. Bob and Kevin, you guy's are top notch in my book. And is anyone else that offered to make a bow to replace the deadbeats. Patrick
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Oh, and by the way I just got home from my trip and there is no package at my door. So as I said before, I'm done with the bow trade. Patrick
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Mo-coon hasnt recieved either. He is taking it very well considering I havent heard a peep from him. I think I got a stave for him settin right here.... just gadda check his stats.
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40-50@27. Yup, I got a stave for him, already got a ring chased on it too.
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It would be nice to see a list of who has not received and included those that have received unsafe bows.only then can we begin to sort out this mess.patrick don't be discouraged i'm sure this community will sort this out,fair is fair!
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Patrick, jojo and mo coon are the last three standing. As far as unsafe, I have yet to see a pic of one.
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Ok,i offer up this one if deemed acceptable?bout 45#@28"
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All that bend, those razor tips, and still holds reflex? Superb! Wish I needed a trade bow....
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Sorry wrong brace photo.i love this one, but I know that the people that hang here share the same passion as myself,so i'd gladly gift it because I know it will go to a good home!
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Wow, that's a tight, little booger.
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Oh man bushboy that is sweet
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I really appreciate that sleek. And I havnt recieved anything yet and havnt heard a thing on how it's even coming along if it is at all. This whole time it hasn't bothered me at all if I get anything or not. I'll love it if I do but I have no problems if I dont. And since the bow I sent had the tip break off as soon as it got there, I'm not going to make a fuss over whether or not I get anything until my guy has his new toy back and properly functioning. Which I got it fixed and working as well as it did before but looking better than before. So as soon as the finish is dry it's going back home with a little something extra. And once my guy is happy, then I might getting a little fussy if I don't see or hear anything.
Sorry I havnt been joining in on the conversation much, I havnt had much internet access lately. Usually I can hook up to wifi long enough to read what's going on but not input much.
Kyle
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That thing is beautiful bushboy! Anyone would be proud to have that one! Patrick
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It would be nice to see a list of who has not received and included those that have received unsafe bows.only then can we begin to sort out this mess.patrick don't be discouraged i'm sure this community will sort this out,fair is fair!
Thanks bud, I appreciate it. That means a lot. Patrick
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Geez Bushboy, now that you've revealed that bow, there's probably a LOT of PA guys wishing they were due a bow. That is sweet for sure.
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Sweet lines on that one bushy
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That looks like a fun bow to shoot Bushboy. Nice work.
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Moo_coon huisme is your guy, I will have to try and call him again today, it just makes no sense why he has not shipped yet and went totally dark.
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I emailed him yesterday. No response thus far. I have called, Wizardgoat has called. I didn't get an answer. Perhaps it is time to call his work. I am doing my best to not drop the hammer and Let Frank Dean who runs bad archery traders take the reins on this one. it is one thing to be late, and communicate that, it is another to post on other websites yet avoid the trade that you volunteered to run.
IF YOU HAVE NOT SHIPPED AND YOUR GUY DOESN'T KNOW YOU ARE SENDING TO HIM, PLEASE MESSAGE THEM AND TELL THEM WHERE YOU ARE!!!
WE ARE 24 DAYS OUT. WE SHOULD AT LEAST KNOW WHO IS CLOSE TO SHIPPING.
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Just received a message confirming the senders. Mo_Coon-catcher,Huisme is your man. Lebhuntfish,KellyG is your man, Wildkatt is mine.
With all the secrets out of the way. Senders, please coordinate with your guy to get this done in a timely manner.
Thanks for everyone helping to get this trade in the books. If you have an issue with the bow you have received, please work with your sender to allow them to make it right.
I don't think anyone that sent a bow did so maliciously to get something. Some of us ARE a little green. :-\
Modified to correct my total lack of reading retention >:D
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Thank you Jojo for all of your hard work trying to get this trade in the books. Patrick
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Finally have a day off when the library's open.
There's late, there's no-show, then there's me I guess :o
My computer is still in for repairs but I got the people there to send me the list, the one on my flashdrive was an early and quite unusable version. I printed it along with a stack of other papers to grab after my last session and was quite disappointed.
It's completely my fault I didn't get anyone's numbers on paper last time I had an hour on the internet. That was stupid.
I'm sifting through my bloated inbox looking for who dropped and who replaced who. I finally have my guy's address and the tube is right next to me (actually I got that when I finally intercepted a call just before leaving for the library) but I believe this list is up to date.
Huge thanks to Joe for kicking butt while I've been down for the second time this year.
Kelly was tillering on the third. I have my tube next to me. I haven't seen anything from wildkatt since May, I'm searching for messages from said katt.
I'm sorry for the mess I've made, I should have done more to prevent something like this. I accept any/all contentions acknowledging their validity and can only say I've felt powerless and I am sorry.
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I say tar and feathers
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I say tar and feathers
don't waste feathers, how about sawdust?
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As long as the tar is hot anything will stick
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.....this trade has an uncanny ability to separate the good from the bad.
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.....this trade has an uncanny ability to separate the good from the bad.
Just because some of us aren't as talented as you are... ;)
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I'm going to guess Pearly wasn't referring to skill level
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I'm going to guess Pearly wasn't referring to skill level
I know, I used a winky face lol. I am aware I am capable of being a giant jerk.
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Well, im not certain how to take any of this but at least this loose end is being tied up. Now, we have wildkatt ( whom I hear is good for his word by several folks ) and kellyg who I havent seen in a while. So I suppose we just need to know if kellyg is coming through or not?
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Katt messaged me again today. All is well.
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Well good then. So its down to kellyg.
You knkw what, I just dont buy not having a computer as an excuse. Especially as ine for not answering the phone when called multiple times or returning calls that had neen made, especially when someone actually answered the calls. Messages were left, multiple times and never was an attempt made to contact anyone of tjw several people trying to get in touch. Exactly how does a pos computer justify not answering a phome or taking the initiative to pock up the phone?
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Well good then. So its down to kellyg.
You knkw what, I just dont buy not having a computer as an excuse. Especially as ine for not answering the phone when called multiple times or returning calls that had neen made, especially when someone actually answered the calls. Messages were left, multiple times and never was an attempt made to contact anyone of tjw several people trying to get in touch. Exactly how does a pos computer justify not answering a phome or taking the initiative to pock up the phone?
No kidding! Especially in this day and age. With every person you know having a cell phone, computer, ipad and all the other little gadgets that can either make a call or put you on the Internet!
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I'm going to guess Pearly wasn't referring to skill level
I know, I used a winky face lol. I am aware I am capable of being a giant jerk.
Oh, you give yourself far to much credit! You are not a giant, just a jerk. >:D
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I agree, sleek, I'm just sitting back shaking my head. I still think it all comes down to priorities.
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I was checking this thread out earlier today, and it lists the members at the top
who are also viewing it. Huisme was one of them haha.
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So don't buy it. Because yeah everyone has ipads and multiple computers and cell phones...sure dropping off the face of the Earth is not going to endear you to anybody but if he shows up and says he hasn't gotten it because he is dealing with the nightmare of pulling data off a crap computer and all the attendant issues that may rise I can understand putting this on the back-burner. Honestly, if a computer drops due to a virus or something and it is a machine you run a business on you may have bigger issues than whether or not the address of the guy you have the bow ready for is something you grabbed. Being a deadbeat is lame. That is fine. Ducking calls because you just can't deal with that on top of whatever other stuff is going on is frustrating, but as it is something I could see myself doing until I got dug out I get it. If he comes through great. If he doesn't that is weak and we all know that is the case. If you don't like it don't trade with him. But don't assume you can dictate how everyone else should prioritize the trade bow deal when other stuff happens. He said I apologize and it is my bad. As I said before, no horse in the race really, but cut him the slack of being insulting publicly. Don't like it don't deal with him. Run a trade and tell him not to be involved. Don't trade if he runs the trades...that is all fine, otherwise just let it go. If he comes through in the near future great. If he doesn't take the cause up again. In the meantime let the hot blood cool please.
-Note, not advocating ditching on a trade in any way. The person of interest here has been active for a long enough time that I think a little more rope after they apologize would be in the best interest of all. For a while anyway. At the very least continuing this is only going to make communication harder if you want to get back in touch with him.-
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Pa is a very understanding and relaxed group of people. As a general rule, we are also a live and let live group. If only he had come out and said what you had offered up as an excuse for him then I myself would have understood. That wouldnt mean he is off the hook but at least we would have known why. Beyond that, as it stands right now, im still waiting as are the rest of us. Growing up I learned a lesson I am teaching my son. When ya done wrong, you gadda answer for it. That dont mean just takin your licks, it literally means, you answer for it. Hadnt had an answer yet. But no doubt, good on ya for taking up for a guy in a situation we dont have all the facts on yet. Understand too though, everyone has given him a chance, mkst have just run out of patience a month later. A month.
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By the way, you kin to John and Jay?
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Nope, although that would be cool. In high school I read an article in Alaska magazine about Jay, which I found super interesting. Reading more of his work lead to the TBB and then to here. It was inspiration from him that got me going, albeit not at all personally or directly. Perhaps a pretentious take on that, or maybe overkill, but I went with it years ago in high school so give me some leeway for youthful indulgence I guess.
SOM
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Hey man, this day in age you can self identify as anything you want. Me? I self identity as an anorexic trying to put on weight and thats how come I eat so much and my scale self identifies as broken which is why it says I weigh 250#.
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Hey man, this day in age you can self identify as anything you want. Me? I self identity as an anorexic trying to put on weight and thats how come I eat so much and my scale self identifies as broken which is why it says I weigh 250#.
You can make them scales go the other direction. (Down) I know I was 264 in march of this year and this morning I am 198.
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Hey man, this day in age you can self identify as anything you want. Me? I self identity as an anorexic trying to put on weight and thats how come I eat so much and my scale self identifies as broken which is why it says I weigh 250#.
You can make them scales go the other direction. (Down) I know I was 264 in march of this year and this morning I am 198.
Looks like you lost a fps Bob! >:D Patrick
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Big trade this year. 83 pages of involvement and growing. No matter what happens from here on out it would be nice to see everyone's involvement fulfilled even if it is late.
In regard to others I have no clue but if my computer went down my means of communication would be somewhat stymied. Unlike most of you I do not have or care to have mobile devices. Cell phones ???
No cell phone and no television for 6+ years. Doesn't bother me in the slightest. I'm by no means making excuses for anybody. My Dad use to say, "There may be a good reason but there's no such thing as a good excuse".
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I dont take much stock in television either. Cant recall last time I really looked at one.
Computer or no, cell phone or no, his mother was given many messages that he never returned.
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Some of you are pretty much beating a dead horse at this point. Everyone that was MIA has checked in relatively recently and promised to make good. Leave it go for now. If they haven't fulfilled there obligation in the next couple weeks, then you can burn em at the stake! >:D. Josh
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I have a dumbphone I tried to use to no avail. As was mentioned trying to come up with certain business documents has taken a lot of my attention but it still doesn't seem like an excuse to me. Lots of trouble on two fronts all because I misplaced my trust in a shiny new machine ::)
I shipped and called my recipient, no answer so I left a message.
To further clarify I now have Wednesday and Thursday off and I can get one hour each of those days. I tried to get the time sooner but the boss is less than sympathetic.
To further clarify than previously clarifying further, the library only allows an hour a day unless several computers are free, which they're not, so my hour is up and I want to address any questions I've left unanswered.
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At two thirty my computer came back without any of the files I needed for other stuff so while I have a lot of work ahead of me I'm available.
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Hoo boy, sorry I missed all this fun. ::)
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I understand about the computer issues. Mine is ready to go in the bin too!
As long as you've shipped your bow I think it was all a bit of a fuss about nothing. Life doesn't always run to plan and I prefer to give people the benefit of the doubt especially when I don't actually know them.
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Any news on your bow yet Jojo?
Patrick
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Katt said he has been working 14 hours a day 7 days a week. I can't blame him if he gets home and doesn't feel like working on a bow. It will get here sooner or later.
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Katt said he has been working 14 hours a day 7 days a week. I can't blame him if he gets home and doesn't feel like working on a bow. It will get here sooner or later.
Thats cool, just curious. I haven't heard anything from Kell. Patrick
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Looks like the last of the bows are on their way. +80 days. Thanks again to everyone who participated this year.
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WOW 😕
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Even all the make up bows for the ones that broke or deemed unreliable or unshootable?
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Even all the make up bows for the ones that broke or deemed unreliable or unshootable?
I'm not gonna touch that one. That is between the shipper and receiver. If someone knows about an issue with their bow I believe it is up to them to make it right.
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Well it took much tolong but after fighting and wrestling with the finish on a make up bow you can mark thattrade finished. I put together a nice bamboo cedar core white oak belly bow with ipe power lam at pats house who was able to straighten out the mess i made on the finish. Note to self. Tru oil finish on feathers on the belly will make the feathers so stiff it will pop off. You cant glue them on with the finish, you have to use superglue.
I think i made a nice bow but patrick made it really shine. He is a hell of a wood finisher. Also found out spray on polly can be applied by hand with bare fingers with good results. Hopefully the recipient will post some pics for me. I really loved how the bow came out. I really hope this is the last bow of the trade?!
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Besides "Make ups" It is. Patrick let me know that this was sent a week or so back. Thanks to those who stepped up and made it work.