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Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: sleek on September 04, 2015, 01:30:29 am
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Hope I dont jinx it.
So heres the story. I was visiting Patrick a while back. We hadnt known each other long yet. I mentioned my fav hunting bow had broken and though I had very serviceable bows, none I was connected to. Well, he goes in his houseand brings me a short 54" stave rough cut out.
Now let me tell you about this stave. Its 1 1/8 wide at its widest. It has sideways bend in it by a few inches. It has a very reflexed handle. One limb comes out the handle reflexed then goes into a slow severe deflex. The other shoots out straight after deflexing at the handle. I took it to check it out and was about to comment on what a mess this thing is when he says, "Here, now you got a hunting bow! " I look up searching his face sure to see some mischief in his expression. There was nothing there. I think he was serious. So, not wanting to seem ungrateful I take it graciously and stick it in my truck, wondering what I had done to piss him off this bad to give me a stave like this.
I take it home and look at it. What the deuce am I gonna with this? Ha! Nice guy i thinks to myself, and I toss it I to the closet of shame. There it sat and languished for months. Until one day im digging in the closet of shame to rob a limb of another messed up bow and I see it. I pull it out and look at it again as I had done a few times. Then it hits me. This stave looks exactly like Pats trade bow he made "Fury". This stave lookes identical to the T as fury did as a stave. Well, there is only one thing to do when the motivation hits you, jump on it. The dishes havent been done in three days.
Well, from here I think pics can do the rest of the talking. Pat, thanks for the stave, you pain in my a...... ( honestly though, I need an asprin )
Edited to add, I am actually happy to have gotten that stave, even though I really had no idea what to do with it at the time. I did learn some things on this and was lucky to get it. Thanks buddy.
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(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i411/rocketernally/Screenshot_2015-08-31-22-25-09_zpswbya3tuk.png) (http://s1092.photobucket.com/user/rocketernally/media/Screenshot_2015-08-31-22-25-09_zpswbya3tuk.png.html)
The clamped limb had massive deflex.
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Here I deflexed both limbs out the fades as even as I could.
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A view down the back to show its forming curves.
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Reflexing the tips and mid limb a touch.
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(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i411/rocketernally/20150901_201314_zpsqqptbjel.jpg) (http://s1092.photobucket.com/user/rocketernally/media/20150901_201314_zpsqqptbjel.jpg.html)
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(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i411/rocketernally/20150901_062142_zpsxi9smiz3.jpg) (http://s1092.photobucket.com/user/rocketernally/media/20150901_062142_zpsxi9smiz3.jpg.html)
The handle is off center.
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I needed more reflex. This iss how you modify caul shape with wedges. Roumd your corners well or they dent the bow.
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(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i411/rocketernally/20150903_190012_zpsfzibxgzm.jpg) (http://s1092.photobucket.com/user/rocketernally/media/20150903_190012_zpsfzibxgzm.jpg.html)
Very low brace.
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(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i411/rocketernally/20150903_192736_zpskwgfck6y.jpg) (http://s1092.photobucket.com/user/rocketernally/media/20150903_192736_zpskwgfck6y.jpg.html)
This is where I do most my tillering. I get brace perfect then start pulling back. It reduces breakage by, a lot!
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Full brace now. The tips open more than I like, but its so short a bow, I dont know how else I could have done it.
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(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i411/rocketernally/20150903_224202_zpsde74dvqn.jpg) (http://s1092.photobucket.com/user/rocketernally/media/20150903_224202_zpsde74dvqn.jpg.html)
My tiller tree. Some of you may get a kick out of this. I use a branch to hold the string then pull down. This was a stave. Dont know if it will even be a bow. Idk what wood it is.
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Right limb in the pic wasnt bending enough out the fade or near the tips. I adjusted that. I was 48#@24 there.
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All adjustments made. This is the moment of truth. Will a 54" stiff handle hold at 26"?
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Why yes, yes it will. 50#@26 54" ttt 53" ntn. 2" set. Gonna tjrow it back on the caul and reheat the belly some to get some shape back, then temper to get set out and add string tension. Retiller and caller done.
Meet fury's little cousin, slightly ticked. And if it is faster than fury, I will change its name to furious, or maybe faster and furiouser...
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The more I look at this the more I think it looks like a horn bow. I may toast the belly till its almost black, then sinew the back with 4-5 layers of sinew... I bet that would shoot pretty quick with enough reflex.
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That looks pretty sweet sleek.
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Nice job,asking a lot from that shot of a stave. Well done.
Pappy
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That's a fine looking bow...and the most unique tillering tree I've seen.
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Thanks guys. I just really wish it was wider. If I had 1.5" wide I bet it would have a lot less set. As it is, I doubt it will be a record breaker, probably just gonna be a good shooting bow with average cast.
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Wow, Kevan! That's some mighty fine work on that little stick!! If not sinew then I'd add a strip of rawhide for protection.
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That came out great! Very nicely done. Jawge
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Full draw pic made me hold my breath, waiting for the BOOM!
Congrats, Kevin!!
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Nice job . Well done Arvin
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Full draw pic made me hold my breath, waiting for the BOOM!
Congrats, Kevin!!
You and I had similar reactions.
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Nice lookin bow sleek
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The profile is very cool. That bow is a-bendin'. Nice work!
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Thanks everyone. I appreciate it.
Im thinking I went to high on draw weight and or didnt deflex tje limbs enough to handle the weight its got. If I had it to do again, id deflex the fades enough to bring tje tips down 1 1/2" below the back and step it down to a 45#. I may drop weight to 45 anyway after tempering the belly. Gonno crono it first tjen see if tjere is a diffence after weight drop and belly temper.
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Nice. You did get a lot out of that stave.
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Looking really sweet Kevin! When I first started reading this I was pretty sure you was going to explain to everyone how much of a but head I am! Then show a bunch of pictures of the stave. With one at the end with you roasting marshmallows over a small Osage fire!
I think slightly ticked is a good name for that one. Considering how I forced you to take it! >:D
I also wondered if you had hijacked some of my original profile pics of "The Fury" they are like long lost cousin's! The resemblances is uncanny! Funny thing is though, that is from some of my top shelf wood, a 75 year old fence post that never made it in the ground. Very nice bud, can't wait to see it next weekend! Patrick
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turned out real nice congrats,, :)
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I am impressed! Nice work.
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Nice to know there is a cousin to the fury out there. 199 tuff act to follow sleek. Nice looking bow.
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AWESOME! I really like what you did there. Set? who cares! You did a great job tillering that sucker for sure. Nice work!
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Thanks everyone. Right now I am in the process of building another one only wider and longer. This one should take less set for sure. Im shooting for less than half an inch but anything less than an inch will make me happy.
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Thanks everyone. Right now I am in the process of building another one only wider and longer. This one should take less set for sure. Im shooting for less than half an inch but anything less than an inch will make me happy.
Ah, hunterbob is right, 199 is hard to follow. Now your trying to beat my 3/4 inches of set on "The Fury", it will never be done, MUAHAHA! >:D
Patrick
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Thanks everyone. Right now I am in the process of building another one only wider and longer. This one should take less set for sure. Im shooting for less than half an inch but anything less than an inch will make me happy.
Ah, hunterbob is right, 199 is hard to follow. Now your trying to beat my 3/4 inches of set on "The Fury", it will never be done, MUAHAHA! >:D
Patrick
I will beat it Patrick. I have staves, time, and energy. I will even tell you how im gonna do it.
Slightly Ticked is 54"ttt 50@26 2" set. This new bow is getting bent on the form right now so its deflex matches the profile exactly of Slightly Ticked, including its set. This new bow is the same width, maybe a hair wider. It is also 62" long. I added the length to allow for 55#@28. Five more pounds than ticked, two inches more draw length and 8" longer with more reflex in the tips for a smoother draw and less stack.
This newer bow takes into account all the stress S.T. has, allows for longer draw and more weight with longer limbs and tips. Oh yes Patrick, your record is in severe trouble. Very muchly so.
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Well I have your chronograph at my house. We will have to see when you get there! I hope you can beat the 199 out of a hunting bow! Because if you do I'm going to let Devin shoot it to see if it will hold up!!! >:D >:D :laugh:
Patrick
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Now, thats just mean. Lol, watch it hold up and hit 210.
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I kust built anotjer one of these, only this time I went 1/4" wider, and I put in the same amount of deflex as slightly ticked took in set. I got 1 3/4" set. But this is without heat treating the belly on either bow. I laid out an outline of tje bow on my door before full drawing it. All my set is in the last 15" of the limbs, starting slowly the gradually taking more as distacne goes towards the tips. Zero set out the fades to midlimb. I dont think the extra deflex made enough difference to justify it. Im gonna start taking deflex out a little at a time until set moves torwards the fades a bit more. Then stop and use that profile on the next one.
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After setting both bows side by side, tje distance from tip to back of handle is identical. I think the only real answer for this design is wider limbs. 1 3/4 perhaps.
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That's a nice bow sleek. Job well done.
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Thanks. It took lots of sweat and nervousness to make it. Came out ok. Cant wait to shoot it the first time next weekend.
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Thanks. It took lots of sweat and nervousness to make it. Came out ok. Cant wait to shoot it the first time next weekend.
I'll mow the lane for the short target range extra close so we don't lose arrows underground this time! Something tells me this bow could bury them down to the fletchings. :)
OneBow
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And remove all candles from tje flight path to minamize collateral damage. Candle lives matter!
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But seriously thats probably a good idea because im bring some that I hope to have some power.
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Infront of several witnesses, I hit 200 fps 320 gr, 50#@26. I think if I did it with the bow fresh I could go over that.
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Thats pretty good for a 26" draw. It would likely project out to about 172 with a 500 grain arrow or close to that.
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Hows that work projected out to 28"?
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Sleek, maybe about 177 if the bow didn't break down anymore but it most likely would, my quess would be you might net about 174 which is very good.
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Beautiful job! 8) And nice to see you have a "Real tillering tree!"
Wayne
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Hate to bring up an old thread but I forgot a very important pic!(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i411/rocketernally/received_10153261501171964_zpsymqko043.jpeg) (http://s1092.photobucket.com/user/rocketernally/media/received_10153261501171964_zpsymqko043.jpeg.html)
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Sweet!
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Nicely done Kevin. :)
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Good job buddy, I have to say you are one ahead of me with a self bow!
Patrick
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Don't get any better than that.
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Very nice sleek!
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This thread is old I know... But I wanted to post an observation. That stave Pat gave me was 75 years old. It's been 8 years since I made that bow, and a few years since I shot it last. I strung it up today and the scale showed it pulling 40 pounds at 20. If I calculate that out, it's 58 pounds at 26 right now, when it used to be 50@28. It's gained 8 pounds, on a stave that was 75 years old in 2015. I suppose osage never stops curing.
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curing or drying out, maybe too dry if you have been keeping it inside a warm house all winter.
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It's certainly not green, being an 83 year old cut piece of wood. My average humidity is 77% and I keep my bows outside in my barn. I'm shooting it now to see if I work it, will the weight drop or is this permanent weight gain. I'm short drawing it for now. After a lot of shots I'll weigh it again to see if the poundage dropped any.
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I have not been on this site long enough to see this original thread, so I went back and started reading from the beginning. Very impressive. I will be very curious to see the results of the weight gain after you get it loosened back up.
Very good work by the way.
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I like the tiller tree. 🤠🤠 I tillered a hundred or so bows the same way. It makes you be able to have an eye for an even bend.