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Main Discussion Area => Primitive Skills => Topic started by: Zuma on April 28, 2016, 10:17:56 pm

Title: Tan fish skins
Post by: Zuma on April 28, 2016, 10:17:56 pm
OK I searched the site and the web and am confused.
I want to know how to process these Rockfish skins.
Some say pee, some say eggs and oil. Some say borax.
some say brains. Some say scales off some scales on??
Why not detergent then ammonia??
Any help appreciated.
Zuma
Title: Re: Tan fish skins
Post by: chamookman on April 29, 2016, 03:13:56 am
Anyone I've know that used Fish Skins, used Acetone to get the oils out. Bob
Title: Re: Tan fish skins
Post by: Eric Krewson on April 29, 2016, 08:36:02 am
just a guess but my friend uses antifreeze on snake skins to tan them, it would probably work on fish skins.
Title: Re: Tan fish skins
Post by: freke on April 29, 2016, 09:28:59 am
try tanning by using yolk and oil (sound easy:)), or willow bark(darker result ? )
- I have not tried it yet, but have it on my to do list :D
Title: Re: Tan fish skins
Post by: YosemiteBen on April 29, 2016, 10:46:24 am
I know a guy that tans salmon skins. He will be teaching a class this coming week at the Buckeye Gathering. His name is Benjamin Pixie and he lives in Oregon. I can ask him when I see him but I won't be around a computer for the next week.
Title: Re: Tan fish skins
Post by: mullet on April 29, 2016, 01:01:15 pm
I'd just scrape them down real good and dry them out like snake skins. That's what I did with shark skin. When you are ready to use the degrease real good, hydrate and glue down with Tightbond.
Title: Re: Tan fish skins
Post by: Zuma on April 29, 2016, 04:38:11 pm
Wow thanks for the replies guys :)
What do you-all think about the scales?
Ben I can't wait that long :laugh:
Eddie, Shark skin clad bow. Yowza!
Title: Re: Tan fish skins
Post by: bjrogg on April 29, 2016, 05:11:51 pm
If you want to back bow, I don't think you actually want to "tan" Oils make glues not work from what I understand. I think you want rawhide. I agree with Eddie and I think you can remove scales. I've never done fish but have done Deer and even a muskrat for my mini.
Title: Re: Tan fish skins
Post by: Zuma on April 30, 2016, 09:55:52 am
Thanks bj, I fleshed them, rolled them up and froze them. ??
I left the scales on. I guess they can be removed later.
I guess they can be degreased later too. ???
Zuma
Title: Re: Tan fish skins
Post by: bjrogg on April 30, 2016, 10:18:39 am
I believe so with fur when you freeze you turn fur side out roll up and put in freezer bags remove as much air as you can. This helps to stop freezer burn. If you have scraped good I think you should just be able to wash good pin strech and dry. I have never done fish but have seen on you tube. I think they still smell fishy till you seal. I believe they remove most scales by stroking skin in direction of scale but cant say for sure.
Title: Re: Tan fish skins
Post by: mullet on April 30, 2016, 12:50:24 pm
Don, you will need to degrease  and remove the scales before you use them for Bow backing. Shark skin is to stiff to use for a bow backing. I was looking more towards a non-slip handle material. It makes a good sand paper, too.
Title: Re: Tan fish skins
Post by: Zuma on April 30, 2016, 03:47:31 pm
Thanks guys
You should see the mess I just made out of this bugger. :-[
Zuma
Title: Re: Tan fish skins
Post by: nclonghunter on April 30, 2016, 03:58:58 pm
I agree, for bow backing then no tan oils and use a degreaser. Those sewn together or used as a flap on a bag would be cool but then you would need to tan them. Van Dykes Taxidermy has an online site and offers degreasers and fish tanning kits. Take a look at the website. I believe they offer free information on tanning to help you pick the right products.
Good Luck
Title: Re: Tan fish skins
Post by: aaron on April 30, 2016, 09:20:22 pm
scrape and freeze is always a good option with any skin. You say you want to "process" them, but what are you going to do with them? Bow backing or leather goods or what? One way to produce useable leather from fish is bark tanning- the guy Yosemitie Ben mentioned is great at this technique. Basically, you scrape and descale, then soak in cool tannin solution. when dry, it's a stiff, but useable leather. For Bow backing, you don't tan it, just use it like "rawhide".
Title: Re: Tan fish skins
Post by: Zuma on May 01, 2016, 11:06:38 am
Thanks aaron.
No immeadiate plans. I will get them
thawed  out soon and de-scale them.
Tha tannin sounds good.
Zuma
Title: Re: Tan fish skins
Post by: YosemiteBen on May 12, 2016, 11:40:08 am
Google Benjamin Pixie or look him up on face book. He does a bark tan salmon skin class at the Buckeye Gathering.