Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Flintknapping => Topic started by: Stringman on August 12, 2016, 08:39:18 am
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For those of you that aren't on FB, this is the beginning of my elk hunting arrows. I'm hoping to get a few more copies made and then get everything put together. Problem is, time is runnin out!
(http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s670/cotton7611/7569F350-72F6-4497-9FCE-CF0B64AE6EA0_zpspwcagr4x.jpg) (http://s1311.photobucket.com/user/cotton7611/media/7569F350-72F6-4497-9FCE-CF0B64AE6EA0_zpspwcagr4x.jpg.html)
(http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s670/cotton7611/952BB472-4965-4ACC-AE9C-6B0907569E0E_zpsiadhlthf.jpg) (http://s1311.photobucket.com/user/cotton7611/media/952BB472-4965-4ACC-AE9C-6B0907569E0E_zpsiadhlthf.jpg.html)
(http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s670/cotton7611/4C303F84-8624-4687-9559-2DDF47908017_zpszyqmoysa.jpg) (http://s1311.photobucket.com/user/cotton7611/media/4C303F84-8624-4687-9559-2DDF47908017_zpszyqmoysa.jpg.html)
Anybody see any problems with this style?
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Those are gorgeous!!! I'm sure they'll do just fine!!! :D
G-Monee >:D
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Looks like stone Grizzlies.
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Looks like they will get the job done... if you get them finished in time.
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Sweet. They should be enough. They would
kill three elk right there. I perfer stemmed
points for hunting too.
What weight bow do you use?
Zuma
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I say if anyone complains you should poke em with one. I sure hope you get them on some great shooting shafts in time to stone a Elk. Good Luck stringman go get em.
Bjrogg
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Ben, I have every intention to.
Don, the diamond backed bow I just finished is 54# and throws my arrows true. Arrow weights are 550.
BJ, I like that. In fact the few people who have held them, hold them very carefully!
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I have not hunted with stone points, but they look too big to me. If you are not shooting much distance, they may do fine, but as you probably know, lighter arrows go further faster. Added: Matched sets I have made for hunters have been in the 35-55 grain range. I keep them within 2-3 grains of what the hunter wants.
WA
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Seems to me if you can bare shaft a 145 grain target point you should be all set. I would think that size and weight head and arrow should be very effective for Elk. I'm sure you already checked what the regulations are. 35 to 55 grains seems pretty light. I made mine just under 125 to match my target points after pine sap and sinew. I have heard some people like shorter heads to keep head from wind planeing but I'm sure you've shot them before and I would think they would penetrate nice like that. Man I'm really routin for ya Scott hope you bring one home. My brother has gotten 3 so far he loves Elk hunting last one he had to quick get off the trail it almost ran him over. He actually made a bit of a poor shoot was to close for his wheelie bow sights. He did get it but wasn't as clean as he usally does. Take pictures and tell us the story good or bad.
Bjrogg
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Chippin, you elude to a couple discussion points, point weight and point size. Let's deal with the size first.
Most states have a legal width limit and that is usually around 7/8- 1". Mine hover around 1" by 3" long. While this size may seem on the large side, nobody says that about a steel point. My personal opinion is that long and narrow has less friction than short and narrow. Moreover any wind planing is usually minimal at the slower speeds and hunting distances common to self bow hunting.
Weight: my arrows are currently fronted with 145 grn field points and they hit what I'm looking at. Wouldn't make any sense to reduce to 50 grn, cause I wouldn't be hitting what I was looking at any longer.
I have only killed a handful of deer with my self gear, and I admit there's probably holes in my game. I also realize there are lotsa folks in that "bird point" faction that figure my stuff is just too big. I just haven't proved it out that way so I guess I'm still gatherin data. I sure don't mind the discussion, but so far nothing has been convincing yet.
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There are books and books written about arrow weight, FOC weights,etc,etc,etc. Those discussions have likely been going on since man first put a rock on the front of an arrow or spear. Those points look slick and if they fly true and you put one where it needs to go I am confident it will do the job. Shot placement is the most important, if it aint right nothing matters.
Good luck Scott, as you know I am also going out to Colorado but knowing you are going primitive gets me excited for you. I have a good feeling about your hunt. Them elk need to be worried... :D
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No matter.
If you shoot like you knap and inter
act with folks here, I have only pity
for the bugler that crosses your path.
May the best of the sport be yours.
Zuma
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Those points are the right medicine for the game your after.
Please post pics of the elk taken by these deadly points
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Good luck hunting, because that's all you need when you got some mighty fine arrows !
Those sure look sharp 😊
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Amazing work as always Scott.Those have Elk steak written all over them.
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Scott: Those points will do a fantastic job. All you have to do is put them where it hurts. Sure wish I could send pictures as I have a very similar point glued to a picture frame that I killed a black bear with in Canada. I have killed several moose, elk, deer and bears with stone points over my life time. I never lost an animal I shot with a stone. That's to say I was lucky enough to have my misses be clean. My opinion is that shot placement is more important than perfectly knapped points. I know that as a fact as my early points were butt ugly and still did the trick. Also I can tell you that arrow flight can be different at 8 to 10 thousand feet than what you experienced at home as arrows tend to fly with much less drag. If your are going to be hunting at altitude its a good thing to take some stomp shooter arrows to practice with. I also always carried a couple of flu flus for grouse. Nothing like back strap and eggs when you are in the mountains. Good Luck Joe
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Those look like elk killers to me Scott, good luck on your hunt. I'd be very happy to see a picture of you with a downed elk posted here upon your return, you got the gear and the skill to make it happen. Have fun and report back on the adventure brother.
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Good luck on your hunt Scott. Those points look awesome and I'm sure they will serve the purpose of putting meat on the table.
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Joe, great point about elevation changing arrow flight. As it happens we will be much lower down, so that shouldn't be a problem. I do intend to take some blunts for grouse as that is also a goal of mine. And of course, practicing until I leave. My brother and I put on packs yesterday and walked mile laps and every time we got backup the hill we would take 1 shot. We were pleased with our shots and both feel we are as ready as we are likely to be.
Thanks Greg and gutshot, still a lot of unknowns (like any hunting scenario) but we are doing our part.
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Can't wait to hear some stories. Looking at your points and knapping mine out still is getting me so stoked for September 1st! I've got the first week off and week before the last if there's no fires. Been a super wet- low fire kinda year up here. Have you shot an arrow with a head yet? I shot 2 of mine no problems, third one was all crazy. Now it's a blunt and flies great.
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Man have fun!!!
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Can't wait to see pics Scott!
Good luck
Thunder
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Those look sweet man! Georgetown is the best.
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Good Luck, Stringman, I hope you have a great trip. Ed
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Nope, won't work at all guess you better send them this way. ;)
Beautiful points they should get the job done hope to see the pictures when you get back
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