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Main Discussion Area => Flintknapping => ABO => Topic started by: tward1604 on August 14, 2016, 12:57:27 am

Title: Am I just making Gravel?
Post by: tward1604 on August 14, 2016, 12:57:27 am
I "acquired" some flint/chert (don't know the difference) from work the other day. Not sure this flake is even workable. I don't have any clue as to how to remove a proper flake from a rock, the rocks are between baseball and soft ball size. I have antler tine and hammer stones to work with.
Title: Re: Am I just making Gravel?
Post by: tward1604 on August 14, 2016, 12:58:42 am
Last three pictures
Title: Re: Am I just making Gravel?
Post by: bjrogg on August 14, 2016, 07:47:54 am
1604 no gravel yet that actually looks like a really nice flake. It's really hard for me to explain how to knap something especially if you have no experience and don't know the "language". I would really suggest watching a bunch of you-tube videos. I don't know how you aquired the flake but it looks like whoever made it might know what they are doing maybe they could show you something. Do you understand the different types of knapping? Percussion, indirect, and pressure? Do you know how to "set up a platform"? follow a ridge? Do you know how a flake ends feathered, stepped or hinged? Are you looking for spear point or arrowhead?  If you watch some videos you'll pick these things up and communications will be easier.
PS then you'll be ready to make gravel lol. of course you could make gravel first and then watch videos. Good luck, and just try to relax and not get frustrated once you start to figure out where to hit it and what angle things get interesting.
Bjrogg
Title: Re: Am I just making Gravel?
Post by: Chippintuff on August 14, 2016, 07:59:46 am
Early on it seems impossible to plan what you want from a rock and then make it, but with enough time and tenacity, it can be learned. As BJ said, you tube videos are a good start. If you can connect with a knapper near you, that is even better. Most knappers are happy to help new people learn. That flake does look good, but it would take a lot of skill to chip out a pretty point from one that small unless you get a good working knowledge of knapping first.

WA
Title: Re: Am I just making Gravel?
Post by: le0n on August 14, 2016, 12:07:04 pm
as stated, he knocked this flake off of a rock on his own.

not sure if it is, but if the rock is raw, it could prove very difficult for a beginner to make something out of it. believe me, i've tried.

that is a flake i would set aside for cooking. get a batch of flakes similar to this and you can attempt to cook them.

give us a little more information on what the rock originally looked like before you went after it.

show some photos of your gravel by-product too.
Title: Re: Am I just making Gravel?
Post by: tward1604 on August 14, 2016, 01:16:00 pm
I have watched weeks worth of youtube videos and "think" i have a decent grasp of the terminology. And the only treatment this rock has had is 9 days straight in north Fort Worth where we've been over 100 degrees (106 on Thursday). I don"t have a way to cook rock so it might be best to set this aside until I can get it hot. I did make that flake. I've been watching videos trying to figure out the process from rock to flake.

Should I buy some treated chert or obsidian to get going with?
Title: Re: Am I just making Gravel?
Post by: Chippintuff on August 14, 2016, 06:07:30 pm
Any scrap glass makes perfect learning material. I have used a lot of pieces of broken mirror and a few bottoms from bottles.

WA
Title: Re: Am I just making Gravel?
Post by: le0n on August 14, 2016, 06:17:50 pm
i don't see anything wrong with practicing with it though.

it looks like you're getting some pretty decent spalls.

if they were free, i'd keep doing what you're doing to get a feel for that rock.

i'd pick those two larger ones on the bottom and go at them with the hammerstones.
Title: Re: Am I just making Gravel?
Post by: tward1604 on August 14, 2016, 06:27:10 pm
I have been breaking glass left and right. Just have trouble getting the bottle bottoms flat. I will break more glass no doubt. The bigger pieces on the bottom are being saved where as some of the smaller stuff there is just that, small. It's probably pure inexperience but with this rock I'm not getting any flakes that are longer that 1/8th inch give or take. Even still its a blast!
Title: Re: Am I just making Gravel?
Post by: le0n on August 14, 2016, 08:41:30 pm
i also meant to say that the rock looks rather promising.
Title: Re: Am I just making Gravel?
Post by: Zuma on August 15, 2016, 10:10:02 am
Actually if you could thin that base out
you would have a viable point.
There a few nice flake scars I see already?
Zuma
Title: Re: Am I just making Gravel?
Post by: Tracker0721 on August 15, 2016, 03:34:32 pm
I prefer to make a preform before trying to make a point. Too many new guys focus on trying to beat a triangle out and then have a thick or broken arrowhead looking thing. Keep taking down ridges and hitting the low spots till you have a centerline around the preform. Then just pop flakes into an arrowhead shape. If you'd like I'll send you a box of obsidian and dacite in easy to knap chunks. Just some good practice stuff. Shoot me a PM if you're interested. Payment is an arrowhead you make.
Title: Re: Am I just making Gravel?
Post by: tward1604 on August 15, 2016, 04:53:01 pm
The flake is what came off the rock when I hit it. Unfortunately I broke it clean in half this morning trying to get that ledge off.
Title: Re: Am I just making Gravel?
Post by: mullet on August 15, 2016, 09:49:27 pm
You should post this on the ABO thread at the top, since you are working with primitive tools. John will be able to help you with a lot of questions. That rock looks kinda like Novaculite, is it?
Title: Re: Am I just making Gravel?
Post by: tward1604 on August 15, 2016, 10:43:53 pm
I'm not sure if its Novaculite...or what that looks like. How would I move this thread to the ABO topic?
Title: Re: Am I just making Gravel?
Post by: nclonghunter on August 16, 2016, 10:00:23 pm
What rock you have shown looks like it can be worked. The basic requirement is that it breaks in a conical fracture and I am certain what you have shown will. It is also likely raw rock which means it has not been heat treated which improves the rock for knapping. Just because it is not heat treated does not mean it can not be worked, it just makes it easier. I work Texas Georgetown that is raw and like it. Texas has a lot of good rock to knap. There are rules and techniques to rock reduction or knapping that will enable you to make cleaner and precision flakes. Obviously all flakes are removed from the perimeter edge. The angles and strength of those edges will make a difference. Too thin and weak will cause the edge to crush and you get very little from it. grind that edge and strengthen it and you will get better flakes. You would think breaking a rock is simple but to do it well is complicated but doable. Here is a link to some great information; http://flintknappinginfo.webstarts.com/uploads/Online_Flintknapping_Articles9-30-11.pdf

If you can get with an experienced knapper it will greatly enhance the learning curve...Good luck!
Title: Re: Am I just making Gravel?
Post by: tward1604 on August 21, 2016, 12:47:53 pm
Don't worry I haven't given up! I'm still making lots of gravel. I need to bring home some
More rocks. I've broke up everything I have. I am making better flakes however! Who would've thought that reading that article would help so much!