Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Arrows => Topic started by: Ippus on October 23, 2016, 05:20:39 pm
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I'm in the process of peeling some wild rose shoots I harvested last fall, and they're all going to need some degree of straightening.
What's your preferred heat-straightening method?
Steam? Just use a kettle?
Dry?
I don't have a propane torch, but I do have a liquid-fuel Coleman stove (afaik, the fuel is cheaper than propane if it'll be burning awhile). How hot would a blow-dryer have to be to be effective?
When deciding wet vs. dry heat, does it matter if you're in a more or less humid climate? i.e., is there more concern about adding moisture to the shaft if the climate's already humid?
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On the few rose shafts I made they straighted fairly easily with just a candle. I have never tried using steam on arrow shafts so i am no help there.
Rose makes a good arrow.
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I've not made rose arrows but with cane and hardwood shoots I use the kitchen gas stove. Have the burner on low and keep the shaft moving back and forth while rotating it. I like using dry heat because it tempers the wood(cane) as you straighten it. When I have the shaft straight I start at one end heating and rotating as I move down the shaft. WARNING...watch out for the steam coming out the far end. At a few points along the shaft I will scorch the wood so it has camo effect. Once I've done this I hand straighten the shaft if necessary then lay it on a flat surface to completely cool completely.
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I always use dry heat, I have used candles, propane camp stove, kitchen electric stove, even coals from a campfire. It usually takes me 3 sessions per arrow shaft minimum. I get big curves out 1st let cool then get more fussy next 2 sessions. I don't think steam would work that great you kinda want Something that beats a localized spot. At least that's what works for me.
Bjrogg
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I do like Bj and straighten in sessions with cooling between.
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Dry heat over the chimney of a lamp does the trick for me.
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Heat gun.. relatively low setting, 550 or at most 750F? Definitely not 950, then they just seem to burn and break
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Heat gun most of the time, over the fire or hot coals if I am just setting around the fire doing nothing and really feeling Primitive. ;) :) :) It's fun sometime to straighten and scrape on arrows when just setting around talking. :) Very relaxing. :)
Pappy
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Never made a wild rose shaft, but made some viburnum and various canes. I always use a gas stove burner on low. Im amazed how little heat it requires to easily bend shafts.
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I use a hot plate and a arrow straightener made out of soapstone.
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A blow dryer produces more than enough heat be effective in straitening a wild rose shaft.
I look forward to seeing some finished wild rose arrows.
Cheers
Thunder
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I use a hot plate arrow straightener made out of soapstone.
Do you think we could see a picture? Thanks
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I use a hot plate arrow straightener made out of soapstone.
Do you think we could see a picture? Thanks
I second that!
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I want soapstone...
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When I get home I will post some pics.
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Wonder what's a good place for getting soapstone.. the trading post? Ugh, I need to get good at making arrows..
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Arrows are a strange thing to make. Unless you break or lose a lot of them you don't get the practice making them that leads to making them better. In order to get real good at it you have to sell them, give them away or end up with a whole lotta arra's :D
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I'm getting a lot of arrows but just shoot my better ones that's why I keep making them so I make em better, I've learned a lot about making better arrows and when I get time I enjoy making them
Bjrogg
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Here is a pic of the soap stone i use to straighten out my arrows. I put the soap stone on this hot pad/burner on high heat, one the soap stone gets hot I turn down the heat down to medium/low, and start the straighten the shafts.
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Cool set up Redhand.I'll get some pics up of some of my multiflora rose shafts.They came in in the mid 600's for grain weight and my preferred spine of 50# to 55#'s.A fella showed some home made rose shafts he used elk hunting with success a whlie back too.
A pic of the lantern I use to straighten all of my shafts used here.An aladin mantle lamp.It's hot enough to light a cig if needed to be so you wave it back and forth for the right amount of heat.Usually 15 to 20 seconds is all that's needed.
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All the rose shafts I've made seem to stay straight too over time.Never needed to put much heat to them at all.
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I am not experienced with Wild Rose from out west, but can only speak of Multiflora we have out east, which responds most differently that most any wood I have dealt with. The Multifora worked best if you stripped the bark and thorns off right away and started green straightening while it dries over days. And time I let them dry without green straightening and did heat straightening they would take minor heat bends but no heavy bends. A heavy bend was likely to split with the grain at that location.
Other wood would split badly if the bark was removed right away but not the rose. Other woods took heat bending better, but not the rose.
Also on applying heat I have always used a 2" candle with bacon grease and an wooden arrow wrench. Grease the spot, heat the spot when it feels like it will burn you almost use the wrench to apply force for a few second until it is straight.