Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: bjrogg on February 16, 2017, 11:47:10 am
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My buddy called me a few nights ago. He was taking it like a man but I could hear the heart break in his voice. He broke the HHB bow I made him while he was stringing it. I've always just used the step through method to string my bows. Sometimes the lighter weight ones I use push pull. I've never used a stringer. I really don't even exactly know how to use them. I have gotten along just fine using step through and like not having to deal with another piece of equipment but these bows I'm making now with the reflex and hooks are a bit of a struggle sometimes. I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions for my buddy. I have a F.G. bow someone gave me. I offered and really hoped he'd take to practice but he didn't take me up on it.
Bjrogg
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Push pull is the only method you need to know, BJ. I brace every bow I own, including ILF recurves with the push pull. Unless the stringer goes from tip to tip, its bad on wood bows. Step through is nasty, IMO.
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I use the push pull method but once the hooks get to a certain size a stringer is the only way to go.
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I like the push pull when I can do it. I just can't seem to eat enough Wheaties to get some of these bows strung. I'm not sure if it's my technique or if I just need to do it more to strengthen those muscles
Bjrogg
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Its all technique, you are more than strong enough to push/pull an 80# bow.
On recurves, any style, hook that bottom tip right into your arch and focus on pushing and pulling the same amount/distance so each limb is stressed about the same.
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Thanks Pearl. I'm going to work on it. I know when I first started shooting a 45 lb bow seemed like about all I wanted now it seems so light a 60 seems like a 50. I imagine the same thing could had using push pull and can see how it's safer for bow.
Bjrogg
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I think its the best method when stringing a bow who's tiller can change when a limb is over-stressed during bracing. Glass bows? Anything goes as they are ALMOST bomb proof. Your string can be a foot from the tip and you can still yank the grip up and brace it. No harm done. Try that on a wood bow a few times and you might just change your tiller, or break it.
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I like stringers for some recurves, but for me step-through method is absolutely last choice.
Sorry about the bow.
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I always spead the stress by making sure my tip is on my foot and handle is against my other leg. Then grab other tip and pull while helping push with others hand some as I slide string up to notch. I can see how it could be kato if not done perfectly though.
Have to work on that push pull.
Bjrogg
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I use push/pull on most bows unless they are heavy weight or recurves. Some recurves I use push/pull but if I have to strain I use a stringer. I prefer a stringer with a tip cup on each end.
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Thanks Pat. I might have to do some research on stringers or eat more Wheaties. I got a couple bows I'm not going to be able to shoot for awhile with the push pull but I'll keep trying. I feel like that fella on that TV show Alone right now.lol. Except I'm not anything close to skinny
Bjrogg
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Just eat your fish ;D ;D ;D
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DC I can guarantee I eat almost anything that gets put in front of me. I was really routing for that guy. If he could have heard me I kept telling him to eat the fish.
Bjrogg
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stringers scare the heck out of me... being a bow hack, I always picture the back blowing right into my face. I did get an ankle string that will prevent torque while keeping my face face safe. Here's the kicker... about 2 years ago I was unstringing a hunting weight recurve, which is rare for me as i hunt with longbows. Long story short, I slipped the loop off the nocks and then it spun and took out my eye... $35000 in Dr. bills and I can't see out of that eye. It could have been much worse. I've heard stories of people being killed doing the same thing. I decided to just shoot longbows... LOL. It's something I had done thousands of times, but stuff happens. Sorry to be the gloom and doom guy, but hopefully it will prevent someone else from doing it.
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Wow that is a scary story Bob. Don't be sorry for me it's just a piece of wood and I can make him another. Sorry to hear about your eye. I hate wearing glasses but to be totally honest I'm pretty sure I'd have one poked out by now with out them.
Bjrogg
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I put another groove in my top limb for a simple stringer and use a piece of parachute cord with a loop on each end for a stringer. I make the bottom string groove a little wider to accommodate the bowstring and stringer loop.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v181/ekrewson/special%20bows/gilsbowtipoverlay.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/ekrewson/media/special%20bows/gilsbowtipoverlay.jpg.html)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v181/ekrewson/bow%20making/doublenockwithstringer.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/ekrewson/media/bow%20making/doublenockwithstringer.jpg.html)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v181/ekrewson/bow%20making/bottomnockwithstringer.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/ekrewson/media/bow%20making/bottomnockwithstringer.jpg.html)
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Thanks Eric. That sure is a pretty looking setup. To tell the honest truth I don't know how to use one. Do you hold bow by handle step on rope and string with other hand? I might have to look on YouTube to see how they work.
Bjrogg
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Mostly use Push-Pull, but if I have to do the stringer thing, I like the setup Eric K mentioned above. It doesn't add any significant amount of weight to make one tip a bit longer to accommodate the extra nock for the stringer. I'm getting old and ever more flabby these days, so about the point you cross the 75 pound draw weight line, I'm huffing and puffing for the stringer option. ...even less weight than that if it's a radical type of recurve. Long bows are the sweetest to string, ...so long as they ain't CRAZY long!!!
OneBow
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I really like using stringer grooves as shown above.
Before that it was simple: stand on one foot, one tip on the ground and your knee against the handle, pull the upper tip while pushing with your knee on the handle. An optional step is to keep your balance with your head against a wall. ;D
Seriously though, stringer grooves. Just a heavy duty piece of cord with a loop in either end works really well.
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I'm a push pull guy like my buddy Pearl. Having said that, it can be dangerous as my other buddy Bob said. Bob has strung countless bows and one slip got him for life. He still string bows the same way. I've seen it. >:D
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I just use like Pat B a clothes line string with 2 leather booties on each end nowadays.Extra string groove on top limb always looked good to me too.Still use the push pull too though at times.When releasing pressure from stringing push pull I turn the bow away from me as I release it.That way it can't fly into your face by accident if not in the groove properly.
Got a video in the horn bow section stringing a bow with 8" of reflex with the old primitive stringer.Slick and quick.
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Could we see a picture of the string with the booties? Wouldn't the booty get in the way of the groove?
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Sure..Why not.Make the string grooves around 3/4" in from the tip end to allow room to get your loop on and off on your top limb.The bottom tip does'nt matter.Just like the extra string groove using only a string all the pressure is on the tips while bracing.Stand on the string in the center directly beneath center of your handle.A primitive stringer.Easy to make from scraps.
(http://i920.photobucket.com/albums/ad41/Beadman1/DSCN1487_zpse7bxhvcw.jpg) (http://s920.photobucket.com/user/Beadman1/media/DSCN1487_zpse7bxhvcw.jpg.html)
(http://i920.photobucket.com/albums/ad41/Beadman1/DSCN1486_zpsmbvwgswx.jpg) (http://s920.photobucket.com/user/Beadman1/media/DSCN1486_zpsmbvwgswx.jpg.html)
Got some booties made out of rawhide too with an adjustable string for reverse bracing any length bows too.
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When a person has more extreme statics a stringer that puts pressure on just the static at the bend and the bottom tip does'nt matter again.Just so the stringer puts even pressure on the stiff static ends.Not on any part of the working limb.
Static bends over 5" I use a stringer.Otherwise push pull.I hav'nt gotten the step through process down properly and don't feel comfortable doing it.I know if it's done right and it's a feel thing too it works great for fellas.
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When you use the push/pull method try to stay aware of where your head and eyes are. Im a g ood 6" tall, so if I stay mostly upright I'm well above most limb tips in the event one got loose on me. You don't have to spread your legs 3 feet wide and bend at the knees to push/pull a bow to brace, technique is everything. This isn't foolproof by any means, but it will help keep you out of harms way.
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Thanks everyone for the replies. I've been working on the push pull and getting better. Still have one bow I just can't get yet but that's two less than just a couple days ago all though it is still about all I can do to get them. I believe I'll experiment with the stringers some also. I will have a few more options for my buddy now at least. Thanks again
Bjrogg
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I do the step through method. I can see why it could be disastrous if you're trying to brace a bow that is still too strong and uneven in the tillering process, or if your technique is just horrible. I've had no problems with it so far, as long as you makes sure your knee is pressing on the center of the handle and you're evenly bending the limbs. I don't like the push-pull because the string loop has to be around the limb and you have to slide it up. I've had more issues with it getting stuck, or uneven bending do to my attention all going to the dumb loop than the bend of the limb, especially if its sinew backed or a recurve.
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Now I'm just a little curious how many if any other step through people there are out there. I have to admit for me step through feels really natural and is a combination of a lot of small move that for me just melt together to make one big move. That could be how push pull becomes for me though if I do it enough too. I'm same as gfugal, I have hard time pushing and sliding string up the limb.
I wonder if it makes any difference if your short or tall? It probably is my technique
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+1 to bjrogg.
I like push-pull and it's how I string any longbow but I also have issues with the loop getting stuck on sinew wraps and the like. It's not a good feeling to not be able to make the last inch on a static recurve and have the string grip on a sinew or thread wrap when trying to let it down. I also don't like the method for really narrow tips because it's harder to keep the loop in check under the instep.
I think the stringer is still the best and safest practice, but it's good to have another technique for when you forget one.
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I shoot mostly asiatic bows, so Turkish or Manchu and the like, step through is the only method for stringing these bows and is in fact the method used in period for the most part. The shorter bows like the Turkish you hook around your ankle (don't push the tip into the ground) and stand somewhat vertically and run the handle across the back of your knee and string. With the longer bows with the longer saiyas like a Manchu you have to squat down some, brace the bottom saiya over your thigh above the knee, run the bow behind your other knee (the may require spreading your feet pretty good) and then stretch out and pull the top limb while twisting your body a little to bend the bottom limb evenly. All whil enot twisting anything of course, lol.
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Since this post was originally started because his friend broke his bow, I would say this: the step through can be a very effective method but it requires a degree of skill. If you don't have the time to teach them the proper form, or if they can't seem to grasp it have them do a stringer or push pull. It may actually be best to default to a stringer or pushpull unless they don't feel comfortable with them.
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This video is in Finnish, but you don't need to understand it ;D
Mikke shows pretty much every body-bracing method you can use.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LocFlPi6L08&t=54s
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Knee into the handle - 0:25
Floating push-pull - 0:50
Normal push-pull - 0:57
Reverse push-pull - 1:07
Knee push-pull - 1:15
Step through over shoulder - 1:54
Normal step-through - 2:37
Knee into the handle with a longbow - 3:10
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Thanks very much Will
Bjrogg