Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: BowEd on June 19, 2017, 05:51:19 pm
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Hello fellas...I had been whining earlier about wanting some winged elm.This spring in March at a fun invitational bow gathering by St.Louis my whining paid off.Jon W brought me a very nice winged elm stave from northern Arkansas to the event for me.I had done one winged elm before from South Carolina and really like the quality of bow wood.It was as dense as hickory I thought.This winged elm although not as dense still is very good bow wood and better then the red elm around by me.This bow is 63" NTN with some brush nocks on the tips.It made a sweet & fun bow to shoot at 42#'s @ 28".It's no problem now walking through waist high grass and brush.I heat treated a little reflex in the limbs and dry heat bent the tips a little to get some good early string tension and it casts an arrow pretty decent.It's profile has held up good after shooting it in.I left some cambium on and gave it a brain tan leather handle.All the black on it is horn.Thanks for looking.
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Even a black eyed susan slides through easily
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The inch longer fades gave it a more elliptical looking bend with a longer handle.I've been experimenting around with a few slightly different type handles.String angle looks good to the arrow for ease of draw.
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Very nice Ed. I think we've seen those nocks before ;)
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Very nice.
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wow that turned out great,,, :BB
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really nice looking bow, really like the touch of horn on the brush nocks
DBar
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Sweet bow, the finish work is very, very nice. Glad to hear you like winged elm, I am just starting on oNE of two staves I brought home from Georgia 4 years ago. How well dI'd it respond to heat?
Kyle
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Thanks fellas.
The brush nocks seemed to take forever to make.
The winged elm responded very well to heat.A what I'd call mallable type wood holding what I put to it with the heat gun.Gaining some draw weight after heat treatment too.If fresh and wet and roughed out I'd clamp it to a form though.This one propeller twisted and warped some drying.
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Ed, that is one beautiful piece of work! :BB And those profiles... as sweet as one could hope for. The tiller looks absolutely spot on and I really dig the simplicity of the overall design. Been waitin' to see this one for a while and you certainly do not disappoint. :OK
Congrats!
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Thanks Jeff....It seems to take longer for me to put the finishing touches on a bow even though the only frills on this one are the brush nocks.Elm does live up to it's reputation as being a sweet pulling type wood. (SH)
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Very nice work!
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Very nice looking bow
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Great looking bow! Very unique brush nocks. What's that big fuzzy string silencer on the bottom limb in the full draw picture? ;D
And is this going in the BOM contest?
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Great looking bow! Very unique brush nocks. What's that big fuzzy string silencer on the bottom limb in the full draw picture? ;D
And is this going in the BOM contest?
I hope it's going in the BOM. Love the profile Ed. Sweet looking bow I bet it shoots great.
Bjrogg
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That's Robins' dog Angel in the background.She's everywhere Robin is and Robin helped me out with the full draw pic again.We've got a system going taking pics.My camera is so slow clicking over that I say ok to her at 25 to 26 inches of draw/she pushes the button on the camera and by the time I get to 28" the camera shoots to get the full draw pic.It's a timing thing.
The brush nocks are set a tad deep I quess.The horn on there might be a bit of overkill but I like contrast anyway.The string lifts off them at around 23 to 24 inches of draw.
I might enter it.It is something different with the brush nocks that are'nt seen on here very often.It was on my bucket list to make.Next one I make will be out of osage.
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Man that came out nice Ed! Killer unstrung profile and the brush nocks are sweet.
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Great job on that one. I admire how well you held the profile, I bet the bow has excellent cast.
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Beautiful piece of work, Mr Ed. Congrats!
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Lovely bow :) The unstrung photo says it all :)
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Beautifull bow there Ed love the tip profile enough to give you some reflex but stable , those lighter bows are a lot of fun , the brain tanned handle is a nice touch & left over horn to good use congrats !
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Love it, Ed. Nice bow.
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Nice job Ed, beautiful work. :)
Pappy
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Thanks fellas.I gave this one a little longer fades reflected in the full draw elliptical profile.I still think I could use some refining on my finish work.The handle sewing is a bit shoddy if you ask me.Took me a few weeks of shooting and extended bracing times to get finalized.The tiller never did change.Wish I had a few more staves of it around.I forgot how nice elm smells while getting toasted.
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Very nice! You are churning out some fine bows these days. A winged elm bow I made a few years back showed the most dramatic increase in draw weight from heat treating alone that I ever experienced. It is good bow wood.
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Ed I'll bring ya some more to MOJAM.
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Nice looking bow Ed, tiller looks spot on
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Mr Beadman fine job on the bow. I like the brush mocks and the reflex that held in it. Also the somewhat offset handle. Arvin
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Ed I know what you mean about those slow cameras. For Christmas one year the kids got presents from Santa. Every time I pushed the button to take a picture my mother in law would move in front of me after to take her picture and click. All I got was a bunch of pictures of the back of my mother in laws head.lol better than the front of it. My cell phone takes way better pictures than any camera I ever had and I do like being able to look at them whenever I want.
Bjrogg
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Great bow, Ed!
I really like how the flipped tips are stretching out on brace and fd. The profiles are killer!
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Excellent in every way, Ed. :OK
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Thanks fellas.
The bow is a pain to brace with the push pull method.Darn near impossible really because of the deeper brush nocks.I have to use a primitive stringer.Not very much reflex to it so it is'nt much trouble then.The lighter weight is making me realize exactly how much short drawing I'm doing with heavier bows.
If you got more then you need Jon W I'll sure take some more off ya.Thanks!I thought I'd bring some hackberry staves along.I've seen the goodness you've done to hackberry before.
bjrogg...That's funny.
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Nice work Ed. I don't think I have ever seen brush nocks so tiny. Sure look like they would work just the same. Pretty bow.
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Thanks Carson.I reduced them as far as I could width wise to less then 1/2".Depthwise to the groove 1 and 1/16" deep from the back.A half inch dowel can slide through the curved space it creates from the string.Plenty for the pastures/hay ground and woods I stump shoot through.Took about as long to make them as the bow.
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Really nice. Love the profiles!
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Nice looking bow! A tip design I have not tried yet.
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Thanks fellas.
After all is done I feel it was worth the effort.Using it proves it's worth.Mr. Grumleys' inventions live on.A bit more tip set back at the tips on the bow I think would give it a better look yet.
Chuck....I know your no stranger to patience from seeing your work.I'm sure you would do well with your own take on these type tips.
I had some at random arrows to shoot this bow in but as usual I can't help but make some arrows for this bow.I've got a lower 40"s # red cedar & osage bow that could shoot these good too.Still around almost 12 grain arrows to the bows though.
Some douglas fir self nock arrows spined into the lower 40's while using FF string.If B50 was used I would of spined them at 35#'s because of the stretch of the B50.Parabolic dyed turkey and natural goose with string serving wraps below the nocks sized with thin super glue.
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Excellent job keeping that reflex Ed. That unbraced profile looks great. I'm sure those brush nocks will work well for you when you are out in the fields
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Thanks Aaron...I can probably take credit for the tillering but for the type of wood it is I can't for holding it's profile.It took some set through tillering/shooting and extended bracing times.About half of what I heat induced to it.As far as set just after unbracing from 4 or 5 hours now around an inch.Which tells me it's holding it's own.
It really is convenient strolling through high grass with 0 hang ups.
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That's one sweet looking bow. Indoor you bring it to mojam with you. That unstrung profile says it all. Plus your bows always do zip an arrow!
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Ed, that is a really beauty
Hans
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Dvs and Hans....Thanks!Sometimes a shooter can come out of here.You guys have ushered out many yourself I've seen.
The lighter weight of 42 pounds is definitely getting me to hit my chin consistently which is very close to 28".Now I can really see how fast the arrows will go and still hit the mark most times.
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Very nice Beadman! I also like the offset handle on your bow. Excellent tiller. You guys that tiller no set amaze me. Arvin
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Yup, this is one of my favorites Ed. It's got my vote for BOM. ;)
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Thanks fellas.Had a blast with it at a 3D shoot last weekend at the Iowa Bow Association get together shoot.The lighter poundage is really helping get to a consistent form while shooting.
Jon W was gracious enough to supply me with some more of the same wood at Mo Jam.
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How did I miss this one?
Excellent tiller and detail work Ed!!