Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Arrows => Topic started by: archeryrob on September 12, 2017, 06:49:37 am
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Anyone made one of these to protect your fletching? I carry a military type backpack when bow hunting and made a mount for a bow quiver to snap on to it. The pack falls over and crushes fletching against stuff. Also tree branches are very nice when hiking in also. Thinking about making a PVC one as a test similar to the Bowmate Elite quiver that can attach to the pack. Maybe a wood or bark later on.
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Beadman makes a great rawhide quiver very similar to the one pictured.
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archeryrob.....It's an option on the kind I make out of rawhide.A rawhide cylinder over the end enclosed on the end over the fletching.Never had a need to make it for it though.The one you pictured is very nice durable one but probably costs over 100.00 dollars.I make these very cheap material cost wise.
(http://i920.photobucket.com/albums/ad41/Beadman1/DSCN1707_zpsz4rjymsp.jpg) (http://s920.photobucket.com/user/Beadman1/media/DSCN1707_zpsz4rjymsp.jpg.html)
(http://i920.photobucket.com/albums/ad41/Beadman1/DSCN0905_zpsdwxvbfvl.jpg) (http://s920.photobucket.com/user/Beadman1/media/DSCN0905_zpsdwxvbfvl.jpg.html)
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Beadman makes a great rawhide quiver very similar to the one pictured.
How you coming with things there Aaron?I'm sure your rawhide cat quiver will look a lot better then mine....lol.
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I got quite a bit of work done to it Ed, but then got side tracked with preparing for hunting season. I really wanted to use your quiver this year, but I felt I needed to get a better matching set of arrows built first. I still hope to use it this hunting season, but it may be later on.
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Cool.Yes I hear you about these arrows.They take some time too.
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How stiff are those? I still got a doe skin with the hair on in the freezer. I was too busy building a patio and refinishing the garage and building cabinets to do anything this year with it.
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How wet does rawhide have to get to loose it's shape? Can you coat it with anything to help?
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The rawhide is from beef hide.Dried I'd say at least 1/16" to 1/8" thick rock hard and stout.I've impregnated them with bees wax before and not too.Been in rain showers too.It takes a lot more then that to loosen anything on them.Ask Aaron.
Deer hide would be too thin I'm afraid.
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I was going to use dog chews which is beef I assume. How did you impregnate it with bees wax? If you do it before rolling you couldn't get it wet and if you do it after rolling you can't do the inside.
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The bees wax is rubbed on from a chunk shape and heated to let the wax soak in.It is done on the inside before the end plug is put in.The outside circumference is large enough to allow your hand in there.The diameter is 3.5" across.Length is a personal choice.Anywhere from 24" to 30".
You can spray a poly or lacquer finish on too if you like instead too.My first one I used campbells soup cans as a form with the rawhide wet and sewn together..Nowadays I use a PVC pipe.
What's needed is a piece of rawhide 13" by 24" & enough for a 4.5" circle plug.The PVC pipe measures 11" around so the rawhide is oversized for clamping reasons.After soaking a good 5 to 6 hours or so the rawhide is wrapped around the PVC pipe.2 strips of wood 2' long/a good 1/4" thick and 1/2"wide are clamped onto either side of the edges and while wet a speedy stitcher is used to double stitch sew the edges together along the bottom edge of the rawhide the whole length or along the bottom edge of the wood strips really.I use artificial sinew and I used a series of vise grips every 4" for clamps.Allow a good full day or two for it to dry at least.Then cut your long elptical access hole in with a stiff sharp blade after it is dry.Usually leaving a good 4" tube bottom for the tips of the arrows to fall into securely.Caution.....It will dry very tight around that PVC tube.Cutting out that hole will relieve it some but will still be tight.A 2nd PVC short piece of tube can be used to pound the 2' length tube from out of the rawhide.For the bottom plug on the tube I use an awl to make holes because it is hard.I soak the plug in water and sew it into the hard tube.
Hope I explained that legibly to understand.
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The rawhide is from beef hide.Dried I'd say at least 1/16" to 1/8" thick rock hard and stout.I've impregnated them with bees wax before and not too.Been in rain showers too.It takes a lot more then that to loosen anything on them.Ask Aaron.
Deer hide would be too thin I'm afraid.
There is no doubt, these things are tough! And light weight to boot.
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Thanks Ed. I was using a piece of rawhide I had and it only made a 2 1/2" circle so I'm going to have to be creative to get inside. I was wondering if you soaked it in poly instead of just water if it would dry waterproof. I think I'll try a small test.
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DC...You may have one of these but I meant to show you this speedy stitcher I've had for decades.Every leather worker needs one of these.I feel I've sewed miles of stitching with this tool.In situations it saves time[alternative of using 2 needles for a double stitch seam] and does good work.I use full thickness waxed artificial sinew.
(http://i920.photobucket.com/albums/ad41/Beadman1/DSCN1790_zpsg6dhthl0.jpg) (http://s920.photobucket.com/user/Beadman1/media/DSCN1790_zpsg6dhthl0.jpg.html)
A wrench tool and extra needles are stored in the butt of the handle.An A+++ tool.
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Those quivers of Ed's are quite impressive. Soooo light weight and yet tough.
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I don't know about impressive but they do the job/take the abuse/and keep on ticking....lol.I'm on the look out for more dead or butchered cows or self butchered beef around here.Should get up some more rawhide processed with time.I usually can manage to get the hide free.
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Ed,
What method do you use to make the rawhide? From reading Laubin, it is a lot of work for one person, especially since the dogs like leather >:D! Got a full angus cow hide in the freezer,(about 24 years) with the hair off, but don't remember how well I fleshed it. Too many other things keep getting in the way, and I haven't decided on rawhide or leather. It is a bit hard to find a friendly neighborhood tannery these days! I got pictures of my quiver, but can't get them to post. Copied one I saw on the Wisconsin Outdoors site or the WI Bowhunters, except for the art work. I incorporated the opening into the seam, an reenforced it with a big brace patch. Will keep trying to post.
Hawkdancer
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OK Hawk.If it's a beef hide it should be thick enough.
Here's a link from Primitive Skills thread.
Beef hide and quivers/Back from page 11 http://www.primitivearcher.com/smf/index.php/topic,55371.0.htmlor the Big fella into Buckskin link in same thread on page 8 Big fella into buckskin/Smoking/Lots of pics.http://www.primitivearcher.com/smf/index.php/topic,56929.0.html.This might help some.
Basically if your rawhide was froze in the raw stage it might be ok to take out of the freezer and laced into a frame.Fleshed better with a scraper and left dry if the hair is off already.You'll have rawhide.That's pretty much the way I do it.The ones I get with hair on I dry scrape off after fleshing and drying.
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Ed,
Thanks for the links. Looks like there is a fall/winter project to line up on the do list! I'll have to make a bigger frame, but have enough pieces of lodge poles to make an 8x8 to stretch the hide out enough. It will probably take 2-3 days to thaw enough to mount for fleshing. Your beadwork and leather work are really good! Make mine look like the beginner I am! Even at my age )P( >:D! We have come close to stealing this post, but at least the topics is related.
Hawkdancer
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Yes I hope archeryrob is OK with it but these topics seem to get a life of their own.Big hides like that are a lot of work no doubt but it's a process where with weather permitting it does'nt all need to be done at one time.Hope the hide is good yet.It should be.24 years is a long time.I think I did a deer hide one once from being frozen for eight years once and it was fine.
Make a thread in the primitive skills section when some progress is done on yours.Love to see it.
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https://m.imgur.com/user/jmccn39
Here is the enclosed quiver I made, copied a model I found on the Wisconsin Bowhunters site, I think, less the artwork. I will probably make another a bit shorter and add fleece to protect the fletching. This one is set up left handed, but could be converted to rh by punching new holes on the other side.
I remember seeing this design many years ago. Punch on the code line to see the images.
Hawkdancer
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https://i.imgur.com/xPpG9yf_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium
Maybe this is the pics.
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Yes...Pretty nice!
It can be made out of rawhide too.Just extending the length enough to accomodate the arrows completely past the nock.Then a cap put on there.A cover of some sort would be needed for the arrow access hole too.Maybe some kind of flap or something.
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The rain flap is the next improvement(?), also plan to shorten it and add a fleece liner for the fletching. >:D Not real sure why I need a rain flap, though, we don't get much, and it usually comes all at once! Cause for celebration, unless you get caught out in it! Then the flap is important! >:D
I may just start on another for me, but I have enough just started projects!!
Hawkdancer
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I know I usually don't hunt in the rain locally for deer anyway,but on extended trips into bigger country farther from shelter can result in getting wet.I'd say in situations like that I'd have a waterproof poncho with that the quiver could go under too.It's just a matter of tried and true using of the equipment.
What made me like the side cat quiver in the very first place was the easy very little sideways motion of retrieving of the arrow from the quiver on my side for a second shot.